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Today's Topics:
1. Re: VO52 and QRP FM (i8cvs)
2. Re: VO52 and QRP FM (i8cvs)
3. Re: Fwd: VO-52 FM Operation (i8cvs)
4. here's how i see it! (K4FEG)
5. Re: Fw: VO52 and QRP FM (i8cvs)
6. Re: Fw: VO52 and QRP FM (andy thomas)
7. Famous Headline in "The Times" of England (andy thomas)
8. heres how i c it... (paul robinson)
9. Re: Stop flaming please (ryan woods)
10. Fw: Stop flaming please (andy thomas)
11. Re: Fw: Stop flaming please (ryan woods)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 18:16:32 +0100
From: "i8cvs" <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx>
To: "andy thomas" <andythomasmail@xxxxx.xx.xx>, "amsat"
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: VO52 and QRP FM
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----- Original Message -----
From: "andy thomas" <andythomasmail@xxxxx.xx.xx>
To: "amsat" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:51 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] VO52 and QRP FM
This is an important debate in difficult times.
I am with G7HIA on this one, namely that *** if there is no damage to the
satellite *** a QRP (below 5w handy) operation might be considered to be
feasible on a centre frequency.
It is not our bird to give permission. There are of course two transponders
on board.
If permission were given ONLY for QRP in effect this means that WE must
police this. It would be for us to discorage alligators.
(Technically alligators can already use the bird anyway but don't).
73 de andy g0sfj
Hi Andy, G0SFJ
Do not try to infect VO-52 with FM
CW and SSB is just what you and the others have to do.
BTW, you can't access VO-52 in FM with a 5 watt HT and
arrow antennas because for a decent QSO in CW and SSB
you need at least 50 watt and a 13 dBi 70 cm antenna.
We, operators of VO-52 linear transponder on CW and SSB
we have a lot of counter measures against any FM intruder
into the VO-52 linear passband.
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 18:24:43 +0100
From: "i8cvs" <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx>
To: "Craig R Gagner" <crgagner@xxxxxxx.xxx>, "'amsat'"
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: VO52 and QRP FM
Message-ID: <00ab01ccb1e0$72b113e0$0401a8c0@xxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hi Craig, W1MSG
Well sayd ...........I agree with you !
CW and SSB is just what we have to do on VO-52
BTW, it's impossible to access VO-52 in FM with a 5 watt HT
and arrow antennas because for a decent QSO in CW and SSB
we need at least 50 watt and a 13 dBi 70 cm antenna.
We, operators of VO-52 linear transponder on CW and SSB
we have a lot of counter measures against any FM intruder
into the VO-52 linear passband.
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig R Gagner" <crgagner@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "'amsat'" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 3:14 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: VO52 and QRP FM
I have to agree with Edgar, expand your capabilities and use it as designed
SSB or CW. There are two other FM birds out there and that's where the FM
should stay ..
Craig
W1MSG
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of andy thomas
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 8:52 AM
To: amsat
Subject: [amsat-bb] VO52 and QRP FM
This is an important debate in difficult times.
I am with G7HIA on this one, namely that *** if there is no damage to the
satellite *** a QRP (below 5w handy) operation might be considered to be
feasible on a centre frequency.
It is not our bird to give permission. There are of course two transponders
on board.
If permission were given ONLY for QRP in effect this means that WE must
police this. It would be for us to discorage alligators.
(Technically alligators can already use the bird anyway but don't).
73 de andy g0sfj
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 18:29:34 +0100
From: "i8cvs" <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx>
To: <wa4hfn@xxxxxxx.xxx>, "AMSAT" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Fwd: VO-52 FM Operation
Message-ID: <00cb01ccb1e1$1fb64a60$0401a8c0@xxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hi, WA4HFN
Well sayd.............I agree with you !
CW and SSB is just what we have to do on VO-52
BTW, it's impossible to access VO-52 in FM with a 5 watt HT
and arrow antennas because for a decent QSO on CW and SSB
we need at least 50 watt and a 13 dBi 70 cm antenna.
We, operators of VO-52 linear transponder on CW and SSB
we have a lot of counter measures against any FM intruder
into the VO-52 linear passband.
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
----- Original Message -----
From: <wa4hfn@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "AMSAT" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 3:35 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Fwd: VO-52 FM Operation
>
>
> ----- Forwarded Message -----
> From: wa4hfn@xxxxxxx.xxx
> To: "John Heath" <g7hia@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
> Cc: "John AJ4AT" <aj4at@xxxxxxx.xxx>
> Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 8:02:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] VO-52 FM Operation
>
> There are 2 FM birds use them and if you need to buy some used ssb
equipment do it dont trash a good SSB bird . The hobby is still going good .
Learn how to use SO50 and AO27 and enough with this FM on VO52 BRAVO SERRIA
crap. Donate to AMsat sothey can put up a new bird . MAN UP enough crying
about AO51 and I cant work the birds
> WA4HFN
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Heath" <g7hia@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 12:53:03 AM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] VO-52 FM Operation
>
> Gentlemen,
>
> These are not normal times, we are seriously short of satellites and
without satellites we don't have a hobby anymore. Without new and more
satellites users we probably won't have a hobby anymore either.
>
> Time for creative thinking.
>
> FM on VO-52 might just be something we have to do.
>
> Send as much money as you can afford to the Fox project
>
> 73 John g7hia
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 11:34:35 -0600
From: K4FEG <K4FEG@xxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] here's how i see it!
Message-ID: <4EDA5DAB.4010300@xxxxx.xxx>
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In an attempt to be as non-partisan as possible here is how I see it:
Lets not live in the past. There are viable projects out there that need
our IMMEDIATE ATTENTION. No short term action at this time to one
satellite or another will provide the Amateur community with a long
term option for satellite communications.
I for one, want to know the *who, what when & where of getting the NEXT
bird into outer space.*
I hear "support this project or that project!", but I need information
on how we can FIX the satellite issues and not just put a band-aide on
it like the politicians like to do!
We all know it cost MONEY to launch into Orbit, lets start getting the
how, when and where figured out. Then lets start raising money! The
sooner we start the quicker we can have the "birds" we want.
I enjoy the satellites, both FM and Linear, I even use CW on the linear
"birds" I have made many a marginal contact on a low angle pass because
of using CW.
That's the beautiful thing about this hobby, it is multifaceted and can
make room for ANYONE'S interests.
BIRD, ORBIT, MONEY that's what we need not a lot of debate on can we
"Frankenstein" some bird into something it is not.
I'm done, the Soap Box is going back into the closet (for now!)
AO27 in 50 minutes! B THERE!
Frank
K4FEG
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 18:39:15 +0100
From: "i8cvs" <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx>
To: "andy thomas" <andythomasmail@xxxxx.xx.xx>, "amsat"
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Fw: VO52 and QRP FM
Message-ID: <00f401ccb1e2$7a1dcb80$0401a8c0@xxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
----- Original Message -----
From: "andy thomas" <andythomasmail@xxxxx.xx.xx>
To: "amsat" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 3:41 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Fw: VO52 and QRP FM
I have expanded capabilities. I have an ICOM IC910 with the L band added
module and last operated on vo-52 in usb, and I am fluent in cw too...but
it's difficult to carry this kit by hand (hi!) so I do qrp with an Arrow as
well, from all over Europe.
And I haven't been able to get into SO-50 for some time on below 5W. AO27
only kicks in for half the pass here.
;>)
73 de andy g0sfj
Hi Andy, G0SFJ
It's impossible to access VO-52 in FM with a 5 watt HT
and arrow antennas because for a decent QSO on CW and SSB
you need at least 50 watt and a 13 dBi 70 cm antenna.
Do not try to access VO-52 in FM with your IC910
We, operators of VO-52 linear transponder on CW and SSB
in Europe we have a lot of counter measures against any FM
intruder into the VO-52 linear passband.
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 17:42:22 +0000 (GMT)
From: andy thomas <andythomasmail@xxxxx.xx.xx>
To: i8cvs <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx>, amsat <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Fw: VO52 and QRP FM
Message-ID:
<1322934142.90602.YahooMailNeo@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Don't be so xxx rude. I do not operate on vo52 in FM and never have.
________________________________
From: i8cvs <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx>
To: andy thomas <andythomasmail@xxxxx.xx.xx>; amsat <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Saturday, 3 December 2011, 17:39
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Fw: VO52 and QRP FM
----- Original Message -----
From: "andy thomas" <andythomasmail@xxxxx.xx.xx>
To: "amsat" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 3:41 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Fw: VO52 and QRP FM
I have expanded capabilities. I have an ICOM IC910 with the L band added
module and last operated on vo-52 in usb, and I am fluent in cw too...but
it's difficult to carry this kit by hand (hi!) so I do qrp with an Arrow as
well, from all over Europe.
And I haven't been able to get into SO-50 for some time on below 5W. AO27
only kicks in for half the pass here.
;>)
73 de andy g0sfj
Hi Andy, G0SFJ
It's impossible to access VO-52 in FM with a 5 watt HT
and arrow antennas because for a decent QSO on CW and SSB
you need at least 50 watt and a 13 dBi 70 cm antenna.
Do not try to access VO-52 in FM with your IC910
We, operators of VO-52 linear transponder on CW and SSB
in Europe we have a lot of counter measures against any FM
intruder into the VO-52 linear passband.
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 18:06:07 +0000 (GMT)
From: andy thomas <andythomasmail@xxxxx.xx.xx>
To: amsat <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Famous Headline in "The Times" of England
Message-ID:
<1322935567.49166.YahooMailNeo@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
The famous headline, in an?apocryphal?story, was "Small Earthquake in Chile:
Not Many Dead". With due respect to our fellow hams in CE it meant (at that
unenlightened time) that there had been a sesismic shift that, although
important to those?above it, perhaps did not merit further discussion in the
Newspaper of Record.
?
Let's now call it a day.
?
73 de andy g0sfj
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 18:06:38 +0000 (GMT)
From: paul robinson <pushbiker2004@xxxxx.xx.xx>
To: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] heres how i c it...
Message-ID:
<1322935598.82793.YahooMailNeo@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Frank you are correct.....no point going on about it lets all work together
and get some new birds in orbit,we dont just need fm but ssb as well and
some heo's would be even better,sooner we get them the sooner we can enjoy
this part of the hobby again....its just sad that? a 30+ year old bird is
the main stay and we need to learn from it!
?looing forward working a bird with more range than my back garden !so lets
get on with it .
?
PAUL 2E1EUB
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 10:11:50 -0800 (PST)
From: ryan woods <kd8atf@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>,
"andythomasmail@xxxxx.xx.xxx <andythomasmail@xxxxx.xx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Stop flaming please
Message-ID:
<1322935910.48237.androidMobile@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
What do you mean so-50 is unpredictable?
Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 19:26:02 +0000 (GMT)
From: andy thomas <andythomasmail@xxxxx.xx.xx>
To: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Fw: Stop flaming please
Message-ID:
<1322940362.25292.YahooMailNeo@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
I don't think this is the spirit of informed and reasonable debate.
?
73 de andy g0sfj
----- Forwarded Message -----
From: Kevin Deane <summit496@xxxx.xxx>
To: andythomasmail@xxxxx.xx.xx
Sent: Saturday, 3 December 2011, 19:15
Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Stop flaming please
shut the fuck up dumbass, there will be nobody there on FM
Kevin
KF7MYK
?
> Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 16:35:10 +0000
> From: andythomasmail@xxxxx.xx.xx
> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Stop flaming please
>
> I don't see why someone can't make a suggestion about a qrp experiment
without being flamed about being incompetent, inadequate, ?financially poor
or in some other way a lesser member of the -bb. You guys ought to learn a
little more tolerance.
> ?
> Fact #1?is, ao-51 is dead and we don't have anything else of that quality
for all of those operators who like doing field operations with an arrow.
SO-50 is at best unpredictable and AO27 is not always on, depends on its
ssp. Fact #2 is that anyone who is an alligator could have taken over vo-52
and didn't, thankfully. Fact #3 is that nobody would without seeking
permission.
> ?
> So please cut back from the snide clever-clever remarks about having too
small a piece of kit, hi. I don't feel bad about raising the idea.
> ?
> 73 de andy g0sfj
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 11:48:40 -0800 (PST)
From: ryan woods <kd8atf@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>,
"andythomasmail@xxxxx.xx.xxx <andythomasmail@xxxxx.xx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Fw: Stop flaming please
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Nice...........................
Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android
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