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Today's Topics:
1. Re: FASTRAC 1 Digipeating? (Mike Rupprecht)
2. Re: VO-52 FM Operation (DF2MZ)
3. Re: FASTRAC 1 Digipeating? (Keith O'Brien)
4. VO52 and QRP FM (andy thomas)
5. Re: Where to donate (Burns Fisher)
6. Re: VO52 and QRP FM (Craig R Gagner)
7. Fwd: VO-52 FM Operation (wa4hfn@xxxxxxx.xxxx
8. Fw: VO52 and QRP FM (andy thomas)
9. Re: VO-52 FM Operation (James Duffey)
10. Re: VO-52 FM Operation (Nitin Muttin)
11. Re: VO-52 FM Operation??? (g0mrf@xxx.xxxx
12. Re: Fw: VO52 and QRP FM (DF2MZ)
13. Re: VO-52 FM Operation (John Becker)
14. Stop flaming please (andy thomas)
15. Re: VO-52 FM Operation (i8cvs)
16. Re: Where to donate (i8cvs)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 10:08:53 +0100
From: "Mike Rupprecht" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xx>
To: "'Clayton Coleman W5PFG'" <kayakfishtx@xxxxx.xxx>, "'AMSAT'"
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FASTRAC 1 Digipeating?
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Hi Clayton,
you received an CW beacon from FAST1 ???
I was also not able to get an successfully digipeated packet over FAST1.
73 Mike
DK3WN
-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx Im
Auftrag von Clayton Coleman W5PFG
Gesendet: Samstag, 3. Dezember 2011 06:43
An: AMSAT
Betreff: [amsat-bb] FASTRAC 1 Digipeating?
Anyone else try to send packets via FASTRAC 1 on the most recent two
passes late evening over North America? I only received the CW beacon
and one burst of telemetry on each of the two passes over East Texas.
I did notice on the first pass that my Keplerian elements were off by
a little bit but had corrected it in time for the second pass around
05:15 UTC 3-12-2011. I tried both 1200 and 9600 packet to no avail.
73
Clayton
W5PFG
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 10:38:43 +0100
From: "DF2MZ" <Edgar.Kaiser@xxxxxxxx.xx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: VO-52 FM Operation
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Don't even think about it! It is EXTREMELY bad practice using FM on a
linear transponder. It may consume more than 10 times the bandwidt of
SSB/CW.
You do have a hobby. Adapt to the situation. Learn something new. Extend
your capabilities. SSB/CW and doppler correction are the state of the art.
That is what ham radio should be.
Cheers
Edgar
Am 03.12.2011 07:53, schrieb John Heath:
> Gentlemen,
>
> These are not normal times, we are seriously short of satellites and
without satellites we don't have a hobby anymore. Without new and more
satellites users we probably won't have a hobby anymore either.
>
> Time for creative thinking.
>
> FM on VO-52 might just be something we have to do.
>
> Send as much money as you can afford to the Fox project
>
> 73 John g7hia
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 05:33:42 -0800 (PST)
From: "Keith O'Brien" <n4zq@xxxxx.xxx>
To: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FASTRAC 1 Digipeating?
Message-ID:
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Clayton Coleman W5PFG wrote:
Anyone else try to send packets via FASTRAC 1 on the most recent two
passes late evening over North America?? I only received the CW beacon
and one burst of telemetry on each of the two passes over East Texas.
I did notice on the first pass that my Keplerian elements were off by
a little bit but had corrected it in time for the second pass around
05:15 UTC 3-12-2011.? I tried both 1200 and 9600 packet to no avail.
73
Clayton
W5PFG
Shortly after I read the announcement on Thursday that FAST1 (AKA Sara Lilly)
was going to be put into the Digipeat mode, I plugged it into Satpc32 and saw
where I had a pass in 10 minutes for about 10 minutes. Here is what I was able
to get through and copy with 1200 baud packet on that December 1 pass around
14:50 UTC.
145.825 up and 437.345 down +- Doppler...
Fm N4ZQ To APRS Via FAST1 <UI pid=F0 Len=68 >[09:50:19]
=2803.56N/08246.28W`UISS-AGWPE-ORBITRON & UISS-ORB SOFTWARE {UISS52}
Fm N4ZQ To APRS Via FAST1* <UI pid=F0 Len=68 >[09:50:21]
=2803.56N/08246.28W`UISS-AGWPE-ORBITRON & UISS-ORB SOFTWARE {UISS52}
Fm N4ZQ To APRS Via FAST1 <UI pid=F0 Len=68 >[09:50:33]
=2803.56N/08246.28W`UISS-AGWPE-ORBITRON & UISS-ORB SOFTWARE {UISS52}
Fm N4ZQ To APRS Via FAST1* <UI pid=F0 Len=68 >[09:50:36]
=2803.56N/08246.28W`UISS-AGWPE-ORBITRON & UISS-ORB SOFTWARE {UISS52}
Fm N4ZQ To APRS Via FAST1 <UI pid=F0 Len=68 >[09:50:48]
=2803.56N/08246.28W`UISS-AGWPE-ORBITRON & UISS-ORB SOFTWARE {UISS52}
Fm FAST1 To KE5DTW <UA >[09:50:56]
Fm FAST1 To KE5DTW <I R0 S0 pid=F0 Len=34 >[09:50:56]
FAST1 Is Now Connected. GO HORNS!
Fm FAST1 To KE5DTW <I R0 S0 pid=F0 Len=34 >[09:51:01]
FAST1 Is Now Connected. GO HORNS!
Fm FAST1 To KE5DTW <I R0 S1 pid=F0 Len=7 >[09:51:01]
fast1>
..............
That's all she wrote... .? Haven't been able to Digi through it since. Only
a few telemetry frames have been copied to date. Maybe the battery was
depleted enough to cause the reset they were looking for.. To bad we couldn't
swap AO-51 batteries with them...
Keith N4ZQ
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 13:51:50 +0000 (GMT)
From: andy thomas <andythomasmail@xxxxx.xx.xx>
To: amsat <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] VO52 and QRP FM
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<1322920310.18212.YahooMailNeo@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
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This is an important debate in?difficult times.
?
I am with G7HIA on this one, namely that *** if there is no damage to the
satellite *** a QRP (below 5w handy) operation might be considered to be
feasible on a centre frequency.
?
It is not our bird to give permission. There are of course two transponders
on board.
?
If permission were given ONLY for QRP in effect this means that WE must
police this.?It would be for us to discorage alligators.
?
(Technically alligators can already use the bird anyway but don't).
?
73 de andy g0sfj
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 08:57:14 -0500
From: Burns Fisher <burns@xxxxxx.xx>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Where to donate
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>I realized my monthly donation to AMSAT ?had stopped a short time ago.?
Wanting to re initiate it I am debating going with Fox vs P3E from our DL
friends.? The DL version is obviously the coolest of the two, though Fox
would probably more >immediately economically feasible.? Retired on a fixed
income I spread my funds carefully.??? Being a HEO fanatic I question the
short term feasibility of P3E.? I feel a HEO would be a huge boost in a
expanding satellite community.? I give a >few talks, do a hamfest and try
to carry the "message" .? Usually ending with, "we simply we need more
money".? Maybe buy more lottery tickets or pool our Visa cards.? I know we
have some very smart and "connected" people within >AMSAT to the commercial
industry.? The big question, "where do we get the biggest bang for our
buck".? An idol thought, what would NASA say/do if say North
Korea?China,?or?Iran said we can launch a bird for you.? Yep throw politics
into >it.? It's late, I'm rambling yet these tho!
> ughts seem to forever occupy me.
>
>fairwell to AO-51
>
>73 Bob W7LRD
I can't tell you where to donate, of course. It's your decision. You have
to consider what you want, and what you think is most likely to fly
soonest, I guess. But a comment about launch services from those other
countries. I don't think N. Korea or Iran can reach orbit reliably, so
trying to launch with them would really be buying a lottery ticket. And
beyond that, it would not be NASA that would be upset but the US state (I
think) department. Satellites fall under ITAR (Internatlional Traffic in
Arms Regulations, or something like that), and AMSAT would be in big
trouble "exporting" a satellite without way more tons of paperwork than the
rocket could lift :-) Probably not even that much paper would get a
satellite to N Korea or Iran. Rides to orbit are more difficult now
because of ITAR. Check the Amsat Journal archives for articles about it.
(I know you are somewhat joking and I'm giving a serious answer...sorry
about that...)
Burns, W2BFJ
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 09:14:45 -0500
From: "Craig R Gagner" <crgagner@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "'amsat'" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: VO52 and QRP FM
Message-ID: <5A412A5711D04F1B845199AD999934F8@xxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
I have to agree with Edgar, expand your capabilities and use it as designed
SSB or CW. There are two other FM birds out there and that?s where the FM
should stay ..
Craig
W1MSG
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of andy thomas
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 8:52 AM
To: amsat
Subject: [amsat-bb] VO52 and QRP FM
This is an important debate in?difficult times.
?
I am with G7HIA on this one, namely that *** if there is no damage to the
satellite *** a QRP (below 5w handy) operation might be considered to be
feasible on a centre frequency.
?
It is not our bird to give permission. There are of course two transponders
on board.
?
If permission were given ONLY for QRP in effect this means that WE must
police this.?It would be for us to discorage alligators.
?
(Technically alligators can already use the bird anyway but don't).
?
73 de andy g0sfj
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 14:35:17 +0000 (UTC)
From: wa4hfn@xxxxxxx.xxx
To: AMSAT <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Fwd: VO-52 FM Operation
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----- Forwarded Message -----
From: wa4hfn@xxxxxxx.xxx
To: "John Heath" <g7hia@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: "John AJ4AT" <aj4at@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 8:02:35 AM
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] VO-52 FM Operation
There are 2 FM birds use them and if you need to buy some used ssb equipment
do it dont trash a good SSB bird . The hobby is still going good . Learn how
to use SO50 and AO27 and enough with this FM on VO52 BRAVO SERRIA crap.
Donate to AMsat sothey can put up a new bird . MAN UP enough crying about
AO51 and I cant work the birds
WA4HFN
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Heath" <g7hia@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 12:53:03 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] VO-52 FM Operation
Gentlemen,
These are not normal times, we are seriously short of satellites and without
satellites we don't have a hobby anymore. Without new and more satellites
users we probably won't have a hobby anymore either.
Time for creative thinking.
FM on VO-52 might just be something we have to do.
Send as much money as you can afford to the Fox project
73 John g7hia
Sent from my iPad
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 14:41:26 +0000 (GMT)
From: andy thomas <andythomasmail@xxxxx.xx.xx>
To: amsat <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Fw: VO52 and QRP FM
Message-ID:
<1322923286.97206.YahooMailNeo@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
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I have expanded capabilities. I have an ICOM IC910 with the L band added
module and last operated on vo-52 in usb, and I am fluent in cw too...but
it's difficult to carry this kit by hand (hi!) so I do qrp with an Arrow as
well, from all over Europe.
?
And I haven't been able to get into SO-50 for some time on below 5W. AO27
only kicks in for half the pass here.
?
;>)
?
73 de andy g0sfj
----- Forwarded Message -----
From: andy thomas <andythomasmail@xxxxx.xx.xx>
To: amsat <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Saturday, 3 December 2011, 13:51
Subject: VO52 and QRP FM
This is an important debate in?difficult times.
I am with G7HIA on this one, namely that *** if there is no damage to the
satellite *** a QRP (below 5w handy) operation might be considered to be
feasible on a centre frequency.
It is not our bird to give permission. There are of course two transponders
on board.
If permission were given ONLY for QRP in effect this means that WE must
police this.?It would be for us to discorage alligators.
(Technically alligators can already use the bird anyway but don't).
73 de andy g0sfj
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 08:58:53 -0700
From: James Duffey <jamesduffey@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: John Heath <g7hia@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: VO-52 FM Operation
Message-ID: <2C6AB337-3E97-4AC5-A54D-875665CCF850@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
While I understand the motives of AMSAT-India in experimenting with FM on a
linear transponder to provide an avenue for FM only equiped VU hams to get
on the sats, I have significant concerns that it will be counterproductive
to satellite operator growth in the long run. While the FM-sats are good
intros to satellite operation, it has been hard to move the FM-sat ops on to
linear or digital sats. As much fun as the FM-sats are, they only offer a
glimpse of what amateur satellite operation is capable of.
Making a linear sat available for FM operation offers removes the incentive
with that satellite to move up to linear birds and even fewer FM-sat
operators will progress. It will also remove opportunities for the linear
sats to show what they are capable of. It is unlikely that FM can coexist
with CW and SSB on a satellite passband. Reallocating the available
satellite transponders from linear to FM seems to me to redistribute
bandwidth in the wrong direction, that is assigning a bandwidth that is
available to many operators at a time to one that is only available to one
at a time. This redistribution of bandwidth is counterproductive, contrary
to the good spectrum management, and in some sense confiscatory.
I guess that this is an OK temporary solution over VU, but I fear that if it
moves worldwide, it will send a very negative message to those who
effectively and efficiently use the linear sats.
We need to seriously look at alternate entry methods to linear satellite
operation. For years Mode A operation served this purpose. Perhaps we should
reexamination that avenue for getting ops on linear sats as an alternate to
putting more FM cross band repeaters in orbit.- Duffey KK6MC
--
James Duffey KK6MC
DM65tc
Cedar Crest NM
< jamesduffey@xxxxxxx.xxx >
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 21:31:35 +0530 (IST)
From: Nitin Muttin <vu3tyg@xxxxx.xx.xx>
To: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: VO-52 FM Operation
Message-ID:
<1322928095.39956.YahooMailNeo@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Friends,
?
Thank you all for your comments and understanding. Please do not use FM on
VO-52. There are very few?(less than 3-5 radio hams in India?who work thru
VO-52 on FM?due to the lack of all mode 2 meter and 70 cms radios and hence
the exception) who use FM when VO-52 is over India.
?
73's
Nitin [VU3TYG]
Secretary, AMSAT INDIA
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 11:09:12 -0500 (EST)
From: g0mrf@xxx.xxx
To: summit496@xxxx.xxxx amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: VO-52 FM Operation???
Message-ID: <8CE7FED07F82CFD-E24-15E64@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx.xxx.xxx>
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Neither do you. Read, research absorb, consider and learn. - Then speak
David G0MRF
Whomever said they were promoting this kind of operation certainly did not
know
what the hell they were talking about.
Kevin
KF7MYK
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 17:10:38 +0100
From: "DF2MZ" <Edgar.Kaiser@xxxxxxxx.xx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Fw: VO52 and QRP FM
Message-ID: <4EDA49FE.8010608@xxxxxxxx.xx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Would you accept somebody using FM on the 80m band just because he finds
SSB too expensive or too difficult to operate?
Am 03.12.2011 15:41, schrieb andy thomas:
> I have expanded capabilities. I have an ICOM IC910 with the L band added
module and last operated on vo-52 in usb, and I am fluent in cw too...but
it's difficult to carry this kit by hand (hi!) so I do qrp with an Arrow as
well, from all over Europe.
>
> And I haven't been able to get into SO-50 for some time on below 5W. AO27
only kicks in for half the pass here.
>
> ;>)
>
> 73 de andy g0sfj
>
> ----- Forwarded Message -----
> From: andy thomas<andythomasmail@xxxxx.xx.xx>
> To: amsat<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> Sent: Saturday, 3 December 2011, 13:51
> Subject: VO52 and QRP FM
>
>
> This is an important debate in difficult times.
>
> I am with G7HIA on this one, namely that *** if there is no damage to the
satellite *** a QRP (below 5w handy) operation might be considered to be
feasible on a centre frequency.
>
> It is not our bird to give permission. There are of course two
transponders on board.
>
> If permission were given ONLY for QRP in effect this means that WE must
police this. It would be for us to discorage alligators.
>
> (Technically alligators can already use the bird anyway but don't).
>
> 73 de andy g0sfj
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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>
>
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 10:26:33 -0600
From: John Becker <w0jab@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: VO-52 FM Operation
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20111203102309.045dfec0@xxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
At 03:38 AM 12/3/2011, you wrote:
>Don't even think about it! It is EXTREMELY bad practice using FM on a
linear transponder. It may consume more than 10 times the bandwidt of SSB/CW.
Not to mention the resource (battery power) that FM needs.
John, W0JAB
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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 16:35:10 +0000 (GMT)
From: andy thomas <andythomasmail@xxxxx.xx.xx>
To: amsat <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Stop flaming please
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I don't see why someone can't make a suggestion about a qrp experiment
without being flamed about being incompetent, inadequate, ?financially poor
or in some other way a lesser member of the -bb. You guys ought to learn a
little more tolerance.
?
Fact #1?is, ao-51 is dead and we don't have anything else of that quality
for all of those operators who like doing field operations with an arrow.
SO-50 is at best unpredictable and AO27 is not always on, depends on its
ssp. Fact #2 is that anyone who is an alligator could have taken over vo-52
and didn't, thankfully. Fact #3 is that nobody would without seeking
permission.
?
So please cut back from the snide clever-clever remarks about having too
small a piece of kit, hi. I don't feel bad about raising the idea.
?
73 de andy g0sfj
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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 17:52:21 +0100
From: "i8cvs" <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx>
To: <df2mz@xxxxxxxx.xx>, "Amsat - BBs" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: VO-52 FM Operation
Message-ID: <003601ccb1db$ecefe280$0401a8c0@xxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hi Edgar, DF2MZ
Well sayd ! I agree with you
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
----- Original Message -----
From: "DF2MZ" <Edgar.Kaiser@xxxxxxxx.xx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 10:38 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: VO-52 FM Operation
> Don't even think about it! It is EXTREMELY bad practice using FM on a
> linear transponder. It may consume more than 10 times the bandwidt of
> SSB/CW.
>
> You do have a hobby. Adapt to the situation. Learn something new. Extend
> your capabilities. SSB/CW and doppler correction are the state of the art.
>
> That is what ham radio should be.
>
> Cheers
> Edgar
>
> Am 03.12.2011 07:53, schrieb John Heath:
> > Gentlemen,
> >
> > These are not normal times, we are seriously short of satellites and
without satellites we don't have a hobby anymore. Without new and more
satellites users we probably won't have a hobby anymore either.
> >
> > Time for creative thinking.
> >
> > FM on VO-52 might just be something we have to do.
> >
> > Send as much money as you can afford to the Fox project
> >
> > 73 John g7hia
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
program!
> > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 17:56:54 +0100
From: "i8cvs" <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx>
To: "Bob- W7LRD" <w7lrd@xxxxxxx.xxx>, "Amsat - BBs"
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Where to donate
Message-ID: <004801ccb1dc$8f8ce9c0$0401a8c0@xxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob- W7LRD" <w7lrd@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 9:05 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Where to donate
>
>
> I realized my monthly donation to AMSAT had stopped a short time ago.
Wanting to re initiate it I am debating going with Fox vs P3E from our DL
friends. The DL version is obviously the coolest of the two, though Fox
would probably more immediately economically feasible. Retired on a fixed
income I spread my funds carefully. Being a HEO fanatic I question the short
term feasibility of P3E. I feel a HEO would be a huge boost in a expanding
satellite community. I give a few talks, do a hamfest and try to carry the
"message" . Usually ending with, "we simply we need more money". Maybe buy
more lottery tickets or pool our Visa cards. I know we have some very smart
and "connected" people within AMSAT to the commercial industry. The big
question, "where do we get the biggest bang for our buck". An idol thought,
what would NASA say/do if say North Korea China, or Iran said we can launch
a bird for you. Yep throw politics into it. It's late, I'm rambling yet
these thoughts seem to forever occupy me.
>
> fairwell to AO-51
>
> 73 Bob W7LRD
>
> Seattle
Hi Bob, W7LRD
In my opinion it's much better donate to AMSAT-DL for P3E
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
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