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Today's Topics:
1. Re: There's no usable satellites (Ted)
2. Re: There's no usable satellites (Tony Langdon)
3. Re: There's no usable satellites (Alan Cresswell)
4. n3ykf travel plans 10/27-10/30 (normn3ykf@xxxx.xx.xxxx
5. There's no usable satellites (Ted)
6. Re: There's no usable satellites (Michael Schulz)
7. Re: There's no usable satellites (Gary "Joe" Mayfield)
8. HO-68 (Ted)
9. Re: HO-68 (Michael Schulz)
10. Re: This Is a HOBBY people (Gregg Wonderly)
11. See and listen to SRMVU CW telemetry Beacon ! (Nader Omer)
12. Re: This Is a HOBBY people (Diane Bruce)
13. Re: This Is a HOBBY people (Bruce)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 13:48:12 -0700
From: "Ted" <k7trkradio@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "'Bato,Andras'" <bato@xxxxxxx.xx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: There's no usable satellites
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Andras, please mail your 847 to me collect. I'll pay the postage
Thanks, Ted
K7TRK
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Bato,Andras
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 8:28 AM
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] There's no usable satellites
Gentlemen,
I have spent too much money on an FT-847!
I had better to buy a well equipped HF transceiver instead!
There is practically no usable satellites -except for AO-7 and VO-52.
The problem is that you can find always the same stations on them.
F2IL is in my log about 300 times...
Spending money on FM satellites were made according to long term plans
of IARU, ARRL and AMSAT which had been a dream of
handling emergency traffic using hand-held equipment and antenna -as far
as I know.
Satellite activity is seriously declining!
gl de ha6nn
Andras
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 08:46:16 +1100
From: Tony Langdon <vk3jed@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Jeff Welsh <jhwelsh@xxxxx.xxx>, Thomas Schaefer
<thomasmschaefer@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: There's no usable satellites
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At 03:21 AM 10/25/2011, Jeff Welsh wrote:
>Same here. If I hear a portable station in the FM pileup, most likely that's
>the one I'll want to work before the others! Working the LEO portable and
>handheld is quite a handful, literally and I admire that!
Used to do it all the time, quite a lot of fun, and quite an
impressive demonstration for lay people, when they see you pointing
an antenna at some "random" part of the sky and can hear all those
voices from interstate. :)
Probably the most fun I've had working satellites was giving
demonstrations at a hamfest. What made this so much fun was it was a
team effort by several club members, where we had a couple outside
rotating the antennas, while others were inside operating the
radio. We did everything manually - antenna pointing, Doppler
correction, the works. Worked both FM and SSB/CW birds with that
setup, with a lot of success in an environment that turned out to be
extremely demanding, from the coordination required, to the high
ambient (acoustic) noise level at the operating position. Still, it
was a heap of fun. :)
73 de VK3JED / VK3IRL
http://vkradio.com
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 22:09:51 -0000
From: "Alan Cresswell" <alancresswell@xxxx.xx.xx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: There's no usable satellites
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Unfortunately it seems that this sort of posting has become almost the norm
on this bb. The attitude that my way is the only way and your way is a load
of rubbish and to prove it I will produce caricature of your way which shows
how simple minded you are.
So those who operate computer controlled stations buy everything and have
apparently never built anything in their lives.
Cubesats become beepsats which are poorly built and never operate in orbit
and the builders don't care.
FMsats are the realm of poor operators and the linear sats are the only way
to go.
LEO,s are a waste of time and HEO is all that matters. etc. etc.
I am old enough to remember when there was such a thing as "The Amateurs
Code". Article 4 stated that "Kindly assistance, cooperation and
consideration for the interests of others; these are the marks of the
amateur spirit." Presumably written at a time when diversity of interests
was celebrated and not denigrated.
Oh well, I guess I am just living in the past.
73
Alan
ZL2BX
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Gordon JC Pearce
Sent: Monday, 24 October 2011 16:29
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: There's no usable satellites
On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 10:47:00 -0500
John Becker <w0jab@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> I got to agree with you.
>
> The FM sat's in my option is near useless with all the
> "using them famous words of the late W2OY"
> Just way to many "kids, lids and space cadets "
> Standing in their back yard on a FM HT.
Standing in your back yard with an FM handie and a homebrew antenna is a
great way to communicate, and I'd recommend it to anyone. It takes skill to
build a decent aerial, build a diplexer, set it all up and work out where to
point. These are skills that anyone can learn, if they choose to. Where's
the skill in the "armchair copy" computer-controlled stuff? You buy some
aerials, buy the brackets, buy a rotator, buy a CAT cable, buy some
proprietary software to drive it, and then plug it together. If you can
wave a credit card and click through the install wizard, you're on the air.
> Pass after pass it seems to always to be the same people.
Yup, it's nice being able to catch up with friends in another country,
quickly and easily.
> Sure do (still) miss AO-40....
If you want to sit in front of your computer and have it steer the aerial
and do all the tuning, then that's great. You could get the same effect by
using Skype.
I honestly cannot see the attraction in HEO satellites, and I *am* old
enough to have experienced them when they were working. Maybe there's
something subtle I'm missing, I don't know. I just don't get it.
--
Gordon JC Pearce MM0YEQ <gordonjcp@xxxx.xxx>
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 18:13:18 -0400
From: <normn3ykf@xxxx.xx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] n3ykf travel plans 10/27-10/30
Message-ID: <20111024221318.RKPYU.69544.root@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Hi all!
I'll be helping my wife relocate this week. We'll start in FN22 and drive to
EL89 taking three days to do it. Will work all ao-51/so-50 passes.
If you're waiting for a card from my previous travels, I'll get them out
after the trip. If you need one for an award (sooner!), drop me a note.
Norm n3ykf
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 15:54:51 -0700
From: "Ted" <k7trkradio@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "'Alan Cresswell'" <alancresswell@xxxx.xx.xx>,
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] There's no usable satellites
Message-ID: <575307D4046E4AFBB0A4B4303D7CADB2@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Alan, comments well stated and I agree with you but its kind of just part
of the human condition. I have seen the same attitudes in r/c planes clubs,
r/c boat clubs, gun clubs, sports car clubs, etc. There always seems to be a
group of the 'old guard' who would complain if you hung them with a new
rope. Then there is a group at the other end of the spectrum that have a
better way (at least in their minds) of doing things. Then there is the core
group who just wait out the battle and things return to sanity.
This thread soon will pass and someone will ask "what happened to HO68..."
and away we go again.
73, Ted, K7TRK
Proud No Code Appliance Operator and Ham Radio Hobbyist
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Alan Cresswell
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 3:10 PM
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: There's no usable satellites
Unfortunately it seems that this sort of posting has become almost the norm
on this bb. The attitude that my way is the only way and your way is a load
of rubbish and to prove it I will produce caricature of your way which shows
how simple minded you are.
So those who operate computer controlled stations buy everything and have
apparently never built anything in their lives.
Cubesats become beepsats which are poorly built and never operate in orbit
and the builders don't care.
FMsats are the realm of poor operators and the linear sats are the only way
to go.
LEO,s are a waste of time and HEO is all that matters. etc. etc.
I am old enough to remember when there was such a thing as "The Amateurs
Code". Article 4 stated that "Kindly assistance, cooperation and
consideration for the interests of others; these are the marks of the
amateur spirit." Presumably written at a time when diversity of interests
was celebrated and not denigrated.
Oh well, I guess I am just living in the past.
73
Alan
ZL2BX
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Gordon JC Pearce
Sent: Monday, 24 October 2011 16:29
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: There's no usable satellites
On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 10:47:00 -0500
John Becker <w0jab@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> I got to agree with you.
>
> The FM sat's in my option is near useless with all the
> "using them famous words of the late W2OY"
> Just way to many "kids, lids and space cadets "
> Standing in their back yard on a FM HT.
Standing in your back yard with an FM handie and a homebrew antenna is a
great way to communicate, and I'd recommend it to anyone. It takes skill to
build a decent aerial, build a diplexer, set it all up and work out where to
point. These are skills that anyone can learn, if they choose to. Where's
the skill in the "armchair copy" computer-controlled stuff? You buy some
aerials, buy the brackets, buy a rotator, buy a CAT cable, buy some
proprietary software to drive it, and then plug it together. If you can
wave a credit card and click through the install wizard, you're on the air.
> Pass after pass it seems to always to be the same people.
Yup, it's nice being able to catch up with friends in another country,
quickly and easily.
> Sure do (still) miss AO-40....
If you want to sit in front of your computer and have it steer the aerial
and do all the tuning, then that's great. You could get the same effect by
using Skype.
I honestly cannot see the attraction in HEO satellites, and I *am* old
enough to have experienced them when they were working. Maybe there's
something subtle I'm missing, I don't know. I just don't get it.
--
Gordon JC Pearce MM0YEQ <gordonjcp@xxxx.xxx>
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 18:09:42 -0500
From: Michael Schulz <mschulz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb BBs <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: There's no usable satellites
Message-ID: <B626073F-CEEC-465E-B390-8B76FAFABA74@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
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So what happened to HO68? Any news? Would be great to have that bird back.
Cheers,
Mike
p.s.: Please don't change the subject line or omit the Re: if you reply in
order to keep the
thread intact and sortable as such.
On Oct 24, 2011, at 5:54 PM, Ted wrote:
> Alan, comments well stated and I agree with you but its kind of just part
> of the human condition. I have seen the same attitudes in r/c planes clubs,
> r/c boat clubs, gun clubs, sports car clubs, etc. There always seems to be a
> group of the 'old guard' who would complain if you hung them with a new
> rope. Then there is a group at the other end of the spectrum that have a
> better way (at least in their minds) of doing things. Then there is the core
> group who just wait out the battle and things return to sanity.
>
> This thread soon will pass and someone will ask "what happened to HO68..."
> and away we go again.
>
> 73, Ted, K7TRK
> Proud No Code Appliance Operator and Ham Radio Hobbyist
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
> Behalf Of Alan Cresswell
> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 3:10 PM
> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: There's no usable satellites
>
> Unfortunately it seems that this sort of posting has become almost the norm
> on this bb. The attitude that my way is the only way and your way is a load
> of rubbish and to prove it I will produce caricature of your way which shows
> how simple minded you are.
> So those who operate computer controlled stations buy everything and have
> apparently never built anything in their lives.
> Cubesats become beepsats which are poorly built and never operate in orbit
> and the builders don't care.
> FMsats are the realm of poor operators and the linear sats are the only way
> to go.
> LEO,s are a waste of time and HEO is all that matters. etc. etc.
>
> I am old enough to remember when there was such a thing as "The Amateurs
> Code". Article 4 stated that "Kindly assistance, cooperation and
> consideration for the interests of others; these are the marks of the
> amateur spirit." Presumably written at a time when diversity of interests
> was celebrated and not denigrated.
> Oh well, I guess I am just living in the past.
>
> 73
> Alan
> ZL2BX
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
> Behalf Of Gordon JC Pearce
> Sent: Monday, 24 October 2011 16:29
> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: There's no usable satellites
>
> On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 10:47:00 -0500
> John Becker <w0jab@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
>> I got to agree with you.
>>
>> The FM sat's in my option is near useless with all the
>> "using them famous words of the late W2OY"
>> Just way to many "kids, lids and space cadets "
>> Standing in their back yard on a FM HT.
>
> Standing in your back yard with an FM handie and a homebrew antenna is a
> great way to communicate, and I'd recommend it to anyone. It takes skill to
> build a decent aerial, build a diplexer, set it all up and work out where to
> point. These are skills that anyone can learn, if they choose to. Where's
> the skill in the "armchair copy" computer-controlled stuff? You buy some
> aerials, buy the brackets, buy a rotator, buy a CAT cable, buy some
> proprietary software to drive it, and then plug it together. If you can
> wave a credit card and click through the install wizard, you're on the air.
>
>> Pass after pass it seems to always to be the same people.
>
> Yup, it's nice being able to catch up with friends in another country,
> quickly and easily.
>
>> Sure do (still) miss AO-40....
>
> If you want to sit in front of your computer and have it steer the aerial
> and do all the tuning, then that's great. You could get the same effect by
> using Skype.
>
> I honestly cannot see the attraction in HEO satellites, and I *am* old
> enough to have experienced them when they were working. Maybe there's
> something subtle I'm missing, I don't know. I just don't get it.
>
> --
> Gordon JC Pearce MM0YEQ <gordonjcp@xxxx.xxx>
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 18:22:08 -0500
From: "Gary \"Joe\" Mayfield" <gary_mayfield@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: There's no usable satellites
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Thanks Jeff,
You are making sense. I miss AO-10, 13, and AO-40 (I worked them all).
The complaints are amazing though. Our choice was mini satellites or no
satellites. I still think some mini satellites is better than no
satellites. Enjoy what we have. If you hate only having mini satellites
please launch an HEO. I will be happy to support you. But do you really
think complaining about the lack of HEO birds gets one closer to orbit?
My Thoughts,
Joe kk0sd
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Jeff Welsh
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 11:21 AM
To: Thomas Schaefer
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: There's no usable satellites
Same here. If I hear a portable station in the FM pileup, most likely that's
the one I'll want to work before the others! Working the LEO portable and
handheld is quite a handful, literally and I admire that!
There has been quite alot of negative interaction as of late on this email
reflector that I simply do not understand.
Amateur Radio is what you make of it, whether it be operating the world QRP
or working FM satellites portable, do what interests you in the hobby and do
it well!. All this uneccessary negativity is getting quite old.
Instead of complaining in a public forum about which operator did what, etc,
how about elmer them and help them become a better operator. Who knows, you
may learn something in the process.
--jeff
N3QO
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Thomas Schaefer <thomasmschaefer@xxxxx.xxx
> wrote:
> I do not understand the purpose to belittle people that want to use the
> satellite on an HT. I can use my 9100, but it is a nice intro to be in the
> yard or a beach with an HT and an Arrow antenna. What purpose does it
serve
> to take that away from someone if it does not fit your idea of what
> operating should be?
>
> Tom NY4I
>
>
> On Oct 24, 2011, at 11:47 AM, John Becker wrote:
>
> > I got to agree with you.
> >
> > The FM sat's in my option is near useless with all the
> > "using them famous words of the late W2OY"
> > Just way to many "kids, lids and space cadets "
> > Standing in their back yard on a FM HT.
> > Pass after pass it seems to always to be the same people.
> >
> > Sure do (still) miss AO-40....
> >
> > John, W0JAB
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 10:28 AM 10/24/2011, you wrote:
> >> Gentlemen,
> >>
> >> I have spent too much money on an FT-847!
> >>
> >> I had better to buy a well equipped HF transceiver instead!
> >
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>
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 16:23:58 -0700
From: "Ted" <k7trkradio@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "'Clayton Coleman W5PFG'" <kayakfishtx@xxxxx.xxx>,
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] HO-68
Message-ID: <E190F033462245AB9C85C683E353CBD4@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
If memory serves, a couple of months ago, one of the principles posted that
they were trying to fix something but that it was coming back.
Time for an official update from the HO-68 folks
K7TRK
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 18:26:50 -0500
From: Michael Schulz <mschulz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb BBs <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: HO-68
Message-ID: <B0904C4B-5C5E-4804-99D9-AF9AFBA236C7@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
On Oct 24, 2011, at 6:23 PM, Ted wrote:
> If memory serves, a couple of months ago, one of the principles posted that
> they were trying to fix something but that it was coming back.
>
> Time for an official update from the HO-68 folks
And time to bury that other negative crap and get back to satellite business
:)
Stop global whining!
73 Mike K5TRI
p.s.: Instead of complaining, get outside or even better in between passes
get on HF
and enjoy the awesome conditions we have right now.
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 18:36:47 -0500
From: Gregg Wonderly <w5ggw@xxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: This Is a HOBBY people
Message-ID: <4EA5F68F.5020105@xxx.xxx>
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On 10/24/2011 11:44 AM, Diane Bruce wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 05:21:34PM +0100, Gordon JC Pearce wrote:
>> On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 13:05:22 +0200
>> "i8cvs"<domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Hi Kevin, KF7MYK
>>>
>>> The official Definitios given by IARU ( the International Amateur Radio
>>> Union) for the Amateur Service and the Amateur-Satellite Service are the
>>> following :
>>
>> And here you make an excellent point - there's no use trotting out the
FCC regulations, because they are irrelevant. If the FCC and ARRL want to
turn amateur radio into "all emcomm, all the time" then that's great. Don't
pollute *my* enjoyment of the hobby with that rubbish, though.
>>
>> The IARU trumps the FCC.
>
> Amateur radio is a fun hobby, don't pretend it is a police ancillary
> service, that was never the intent. If you happen to be with
> radio and you can help it is your obligation to help.
The Amateur Radio service is the service. The FCC regs say that. I you take
your equipment, knowledge (knowledge is required) and skills to use as a
hobby,
more power too you. But Amateur Radio is not "just a HOBBY". There are
services which you can and should provide as your skills and knowledge allow
you
to. Making a choice to not participate in the service part, is your choice,
no
one can make you do that. But, how other amateurs see you and treat you may
be
driven by your desire to "just have a HOBBY" and ride the coat tails of the
others who are making the service really be a value to your community.
EMCOMM is something that we all have opportunities to help with. Many times,
you may not be needed. But, it's another aspect of your skill set that you
can
improve on through experience. If you just want to rag chew and consume a
frequency, then you can do that. But it is little effort to occasionally sign
up for an EMCOMM or community event and provide some help so that others who
want to sit down and ragchew and enjoy the HOBBY part of their lives can do
that
too.
Gregg Wonderly
W5GGW
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 16:48:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Nader Omer <st2nh@xxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat bb bb <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] See and listen to SRMVU CW telemetry Beacon !
Message-ID:
<1319500128.38251.YahooMailClassic@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Hi
SRMVU CW Telemetry Beacon vedio clip.
?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKtKELEQr2I
?
73's
Nader
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 20:26:41 -0400
From: Diane Bruce <db@xx.xxx>
To: w5ggw@xxxxxxxx.xxx
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: This Is a HOBBY people
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On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 06:36:47PM -0500, Gregg Wonderly wrote:
>
>
...
> >
> >Amateur radio is a fun hobby, don't pretend it is a police ancillary
> >service, that was never the intent. If you happen to be with
> >radio and you can help it is your obligation to help.
>
> The Amateur Radio service is the service. The FCC regs say that. I you
> take your equipment, knowledge (knowledge is required) and skills to use as
> a hobby, more power too you. But Amateur Radio is not "just a HOBBY".
Yes it is. It is ONLY a freakin' Hobby. If we want kids in our freakin'
HOBBY we need to make it *FUN*. Learning stuff, radio stuff, building
stuff learning what radio is how antennas work. All that stuff.
> There are services which you can and should provide as your skills and
> knowledge allow you to. Making a choice to not participate in the service
And that is the marketable skill. Many many hams are also computer
types, physicists, engineers.
> part, is your choice, no one can make you do that. But, how other amateurs
> see you and treat you may be driven by your desire to "just have a HOBBY"
> and ride the coat tails of the others who are making the service really be
> a value to your community.
>
> EMCOMM is something that we all have opportunities to help with. Many
No, EMCOMM is the cancer that is eating Amateur Radio.
> times, you may not be needed. But, it's another aspect of your skill set
> that you can improve on through experience. If you just want to rag chew
> and consume a frequency, then you can do that. But it is little effort to
> occasionally sign up for an EMCOMM or community event and provide some help
> so that others who want to sit down and ragchew and enjoy the HOBBY part of
> their lives can do that too.
I have signed up to help community events, I have done my share.
many times. I have done my share of many hours of CW traffic
handling. I learned a lot about how to run nets both on CW and SSB.
But EMCOMM is still not the only reason someone should be getting
into amateur radio.
EMCOMM is what discourages the youth of today from particpating in ham
radio. Get the kids in, get them excited, get them interested in DSP
combining radio and computers, show them FUN. Don't sell them on EMCOMM.
Turn it the other way around. Both the RAC and the ARRL have been hard selling
EMCOMM for years. How well has that worked for bringing in the younger ham?
Sorry Greg, we ain't going to see eye to eye on this one.
Please re-read what I have said. I am not against being ready to help
in community service. I have DONE SO many times. I am not against being
ready to help in an emergency. I am on the local emrg list if that
(hopefully never) ever happens, I will and can show up and do my bit as a
communicator. I did not get into ham radio to stand in the cold on a rainy
day to help some bicycle tour. I got into ham radio because I was
interested in how RADIO worked. It also served me well career wise.
All I am trying to say is we need to restore a bit of balance. That's all.
>
> Gregg Wonderly
> W5GGW
> _______________________________________________
Diane Bruce
VA3DB
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:56:58 -0500
From: Bruce <kk5do@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "w5ggw@xxxxxxxx.xxxx <w5ggw@xxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: This Is a HOBBY people
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notice how after dominco got this all stired up, he stops participating.
cant wait until he funds the launch of a heo for us.
73...bruce
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On Oct 24, 2011, at 6:36 PM, Gregg Wonderly <w5ggw@xxx.xxx> wrote:
>
>
> On 10/24/2011 11:44 AM, Diane Bruce wrote:
>> On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 05:21:34PM +0100, Gordon JC Pearce wrote:
>>> On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 13:05:22 +0200
>>> "i8cvs"<domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Kevin, KF7MYK
>>>>
>>>> The official Definitios given by IARU ( the International Amateur Radio
>>>> Union) for the Amateur Service and the Amateur-Satellite Service are the
>>>> following :
>>>
>>> And here you make an excellent point - there's no use trotting out the
FCC regulations, because they are irrelevant. If the FCC and ARRL want to
turn amateur radio into "all emcomm, all the time" then that's great. Don't
pollute *my* enjoyment of the hobby with that rubbish, though.
>>>
>>> The IARU trumps the FCC.
>>
>> Amateur radio is a fun hobby, don't pretend it is a police ancillary
>> service, that was never the intent. If you happen to be with
>> radio and you can help it is your obligation to help.
>
> The Amateur Radio service is the service. The FCC regs say that. I you
take your equipment, knowledge (knowledge is required) and skills to use as
a hobby, more power too you. But Amateur Radio is not "just a HOBBY".
There are services which you can and should provide as your skills and
knowledge allow you to. Making a choice to not participate in the service
part, is your choice, no one can make you do that. But, how other amateurs
see you and treat you may be driven by your desire to "just have a HOBBY"
and ride the coat tails of the others who are making the service really be a
value to your community.
>
> EMCOMM is something that we all have opportunities to help with. Many
times, you may not be needed. But, it's another aspect of your skill set
that you can improve on through experience. If you just want to rag chew
and consume a frequency, then you can do that. But it is little effort to
occasionally sign up for an EMCOMM or community event and provide some help
so that others who want to sit down and ragchew and enjoy the HOBBY part of
their lives can do that too.
>
> Gregg Wonderly
> W5GGW
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