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Today's Topics:
1. There's no usable satellites (Bato,Andras)
2. Re: There's no usable satellites (John Becker)
3. Re: There's no usable satellites (Thomas Schaefer)
4. Re: There's no usable satellites (Thomas Schaefer)
5. Re: AO-27/SO-50 (George Henry)
6. Re: There's no usable satellites (Doug Dietz)
7. Re: There's no usable satellites (Jeff Welsh)
8. Re: This Is a HOBBY people (Gordon JC Pearce)
9. Re: There's no usable satellites (Andrew Glasbrenner)
10. Re: There's no usable satellites (B J)
11. Re: There's no usable satellites (B J)
12. Re: There's no usable satellites (Gordon JC Pearce)
13. Re: There's no usable satellites (Michael Schulz)
14. AMSAT Crumudgeons (Bob Bruninga)
15. Re: Prospero Commanded Pass Today (Jan H. van Gils)
16. Re: Antennas For AO-7 Mode A (George Henry)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 15:28:26 +0000
From: "Bato,Andras" <bato@xxxxxxx.xx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] There's no usable satellites
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Gentlemen,
I have spent too much money on an FT-847!
I had better to buy a well equipped HF transceiver instead!
There is practically no usable satellites -except for AO-7 and VO-52.
The problem is that you can find always the same stations on them.
F2IL is in my log about 300 times...
Spending money on FM satellites were made according to long term plans
of IARU, ARRL and AMSAT which had been a dream of
handling emergency traffic using hand-held equipment and antenna -as far
as I know.
Satellite activity is seriously declining!
gl de ha6nn
Andras
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 10:47:00 -0500
From: John Becker <w0jab@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: There's no usable satellites
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20111024103725.025b5430@xxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
I got to agree with you.
The FM sat's in my option is near useless with all the
"using them famous words of the late W2OY"
Just way to many "kids, lids and space cadets "
Standing in their back yard on a FM HT.
Pass after pass it seems to always to be the same people.
Sure do (still) miss AO-40....
John, W0JAB
At 10:28 AM 10/24/2011, you wrote:
>Gentlemen,
>
>I have spent too much money on an FT-847!
>
>I had better to buy a well equipped HF transceiver instead!
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 11:56:00 -0400
From: Thomas Schaefer <thomasmschaefer@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "Bato,Andras" <bato@xxxxxxx.xx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: There's no usable satellites
Message-ID: <B86B0D0E-919D-4EF2-8225-5298E171E391@xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
I suspended my project to install a satellite beam and rotor because of the
state of affairs. I guess I can donate more money but it is hard when the
web pages for the current projects do not seem to be updated as much (yes, I
know?volunteers). Maybe someone can tell me?
Are there updated, realistic timeframes posted on a website?
Is there a fund raising indicate to tell how close of far AMSAT is from
their goal to launch the next satellite.?
It appears people want to help.
Case in point?the Project Fox website which was updated last on August 2011
states under the following under Project Status Updates: Watch this space as
we progress. That's it. Not even the status updates that were given at Dayton.
Is there no progress? If the project is simply waiting until enough seed
money is collected, then would it be possible to show that target? Maybe
indicate what has been collected this month, last month, and this year? How
far do we have to go? What is the next milestone and what is it waiting upon
to start/finish.
I did see a number $800 on the logo where one can donate. Is that how much
has been collected?
Non-professional fund raising has ben going on for a long time. Having basic
feedback mechanisms encourages people to give. If they see how their
contribution will add to a milestone being started/finished, it helps. I
know it takes time and resources to do this, but ultimately, the fund
raising is a big part I presume.
Now if I am wrong and the project is waiting for a grant or a free rocket
ride to either bother, then let's see that status.
Note I read the Project Fox presentation given at Dayton and it did not
mention funding targets except to state the obvious that launch costs have
gone up. We need real numbers and to see how far it will take to get there.
I think more people can rally around the project with some goals in mind.
Regards,
Tom Schaefer, NY4I
On Oct 24, 2011, at 11:28 AM, Bato,Andras wrote:
> Gentlemen,
>
> I have spent too much money on an FT-847!
>
> I had better to buy a well equipped HF transceiver instead!
>
> There is practically no usable satellites -except for AO-7 and VO-52.
>
> The problem is that you can find always the same stations on them.
>
> F2IL is in my log about 300 times...
>
> Spending money on FM satellites were made according to long term plans of
IARU, ARRL and AMSAT which had been a dream of
> handling emergency traffic using hand-held equipment and antenna -as far
as I know.
>
> Satellite activity is seriously declining!
>
> gl de ha6nn
> Andras
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 11:58:34 -0400
From: Thomas Schaefer <thomasmschaefer@xxxxx.xxx>
To: John Becker <w0jab@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: There's no usable satellites
Message-ID: <87C49407-AE26-4411-8453-248134CE5F62@xxxxx.xxx>
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I do not understand the purpose to belittle people that want to use the
satellite on an HT. I can use my 9100, but it is a nice intro to be in the
yard or a beach with an HT and an Arrow antenna. What purpose does it serve
to take that away from someone if it does not fit your idea of what
operating should be?
Tom NY4I
On Oct 24, 2011, at 11:47 AM, John Becker wrote:
> I got to agree with you.
>
> The FM sat's in my option is near useless with all the
> "using them famous words of the late W2OY"
> Just way to many "kids, lids and space cadets "
> Standing in their back yard on a FM HT.
> Pass after pass it seems to always to be the same people.
>
> Sure do (still) miss AO-40....
>
> John, W0JAB
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> At 10:28 AM 10/24/2011, you wrote:
>> Gentlemen,
>>
>> I have spent too much money on an FT-847!
>>
>> I had better to buy a well equipped HF transceiver instead!
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 09:04:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: George Henry <ka3hsw@xxx.xxx>
To: Richard Grabotin <hans_2@xxxxx.xxx>, "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-27/SO-50
Message-ID: <1319472256.91479.YahooMailRC@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Since the AO-27 website is down at this time, your best bet for tracking the
operating schedule is the Java AO-27 schedule lister that my son wrote for me.
You can download it at <http://sites.google.com/site/ao27satellitescheduler>.
Make sure you download the current data files (EPOCH.TXT and TOPR.TXT) from
the
site also, and drop them into whatever folder you unzip the scheduler files to
(replace the files included in the ZIP). It's always accurate to within 2
minutes of the actual operating schedule (due to drift in the satellite's
clock).
George, KA3HSW
----- Original Message ----
> From: Richard Grabotin <hans_2@xxxxx.xxx>
> To: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> Sent: Sun, October 23, 2011 11:37:50 PM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-27/SO-50
>
> I am new to satellites as of this weekend. I have worked AO-51 three times
with
>much success. SO-50 I can hear off and on, but I am having trouble raising
it.
>As for AO-27, I had a nice daytime direct overhead pass and heard nothing.
I am
>using a yeasu g-5500 rotator with the AMSAT controller and ham radio deluxe.
>Kenwood ts-2000 for the rig and a 8 element 440 and a 4 element 2 meter
antenna.
>The antennas are currently linear polarized since my phasing cables still
have
>not arrived from the manufacturer.
>
>
> My questions are, is AO-27 difficult to work? Is it on a schedule? Any
ideas
>why I could not raise or hear it?
>
> As for SO-50: Should I be listening 5khz down? Ham radio deluxe is
controlling
>the radio frequencies and I made a custom entry for 5khz down and
corrected for
>Doppler. This still did not seem to help.
>
>
>
> Richard
> K7LWV
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 12:08:07 -0400
From: Doug Dietz <dcdietz@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: John Becker <w0jab@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: There's no usable satellites
Message-ID: <7D0E9C92-5B7D-40F4-B0BF-E6881C53A1DF@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
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Amen WD8Z
On Oct 24, 2011, at 11:47 AM, John Becker wrote:
> I got to agree with you.
>
> The FM sat's in my option is near useless with all the
> "using them famous words of the late W2OY"
> Just way to many "kids, lids and space cadets "
> Standing in their back yard on a FM HT.
> Pass after pass it seems to always to be the same people.
>
> Sure do (still) miss AO-40....
>
> John, W0JAB
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> At 10:28 AM 10/24/2011, you wrote:
>> Gentlemen,
>>
>> I have spent too much money on an FT-847!
>>
>> I had better to buy a well equipped HF transceiver instead!
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 12:21:15 -0400
From: Jeff Welsh <jhwelsh@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Thomas Schaefer <thomasmschaefer@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: There's no usable satellites
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Same here. If I hear a portable station in the FM pileup, most likely that's
the one I'll want to work before the others! Working the LEO portable and
handheld is quite a handful, literally and I admire that!
There has been quite alot of negative interaction as of late on this email
reflector that I simply do not understand.
Amateur Radio is what you make of it, whether it be operating the world QRP
or working FM satellites portable, do what interests you in the hobby and do
it well!. All this uneccessary negativity is getting quite old.
Instead of complaining in a public forum about which operator did what, etc,
how about elmer them and help them become a better operator. Who knows, you
may learn something in the process.
--jeff
N3QO
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Thomas Schaefer <thomasmschaefer@xxxxx.xxx
> wrote:
> I do not understand the purpose to belittle people that want to use the
> satellite on an HT. I can use my 9100, but it is a nice intro to be in the
> yard or a beach with an HT and an Arrow antenna. What purpose does it serve
> to take that away from someone if it does not fit your idea of what
> operating should be?
>
> Tom NY4I
>
>
> On Oct 24, 2011, at 11:47 AM, John Becker wrote:
>
> > I got to agree with you.
> >
> > The FM sat's in my option is near useless with all the
> > "using them famous words of the late W2OY"
> > Just way to many "kids, lids and space cadets "
> > Standing in their back yard on a FM HT.
> > Pass after pass it seems to always to be the same people.
> >
> > Sure do (still) miss AO-40....
> >
> > John, W0JAB
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 10:28 AM 10/24/2011, you wrote:
> >> Gentlemen,
> >>
> >> I have spent too much money on an FT-847!
> >>
> >> I had better to buy a well equipped HF transceiver instead!
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 17:21:34 +0100
From: Gordon JC Pearce <gordonjcp@xxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: This Is a HOBBY people
Message-ID: <20111024172134.7e1b1303.gordonjcp@xxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 13:05:22 +0200
"i8cvs" <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx> wrote:
> Hi Kevin, KF7MYK
>
> The official Definitios given by IARU ( the International Amateur Radio
> Union) for the Amateur Service and the Amateur-Satellite Service are the
> following :
And here you make an excellent point - there's no use trotting out the FCC
regulations, because they are irrelevant. If the FCC and ARRL want to turn
amateur radio into "all emcomm, all the time" then that's great. Don't
pollute *my* enjoyment of the hobby with that rubbish, though.
The IARU trumps the FCC.
--
Gordon JC Pearce MM0YEQ <gordonjcp@xxxx.xxx>
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 12:21:58 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
From: Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: Thomas Schaefer <thomasmschaefer@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: There's no usable satellites
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Hi,
Expect a ton of information to be presented at Symposium. I can assure you
the Fox team is working very hard on the project design and hardware now,
papers and presentations for Symposium, and also preparing proposals for
low-cost launch opportunities that are due with a few weeks.
73, Drew KO4MA
-----Original Message-----
>From: Thomas Schaefer <thomasmschaefer@xxxxx.xxx>
>Sent: Oct 24, 2011 11:56 AM
>To: "Bato,Andras" <bato@xxxxxxx.xx>
>Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
>Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: There's no usable satellites
>
>I suspended my project to install a satellite beam and rotor because of the
state of affairs. I guess I can donate more money but it is hard when the
web pages for the current projects do not seem to be updated as much (yes, I
know?volunteers). Maybe someone can tell me?
>
>Are there updated, realistic timeframes posted on a website?
>Is there a fund raising indicate to tell how close of far AMSAT is from
their goal to launch the next satellite.?
>
>It appears people want to help.
>
>Case in point?the Project Fox website which was updated last on August 2011
states under the following under Project Status Updates: Watch this space as
we progress. That's it. Not even the status updates that were given at Dayton.
>
>Is there no progress? If the project is simply waiting until enough seed
money is collected, then would it be possible to show that target? Maybe
indicate what has been collected this month, last month, and this year? How
far do we have to go? What is the next milestone and what is it waiting upon
to start/finish.
>
>I did see a number $800 on the logo where one can donate. Is that how much
has been collected?
>
>Non-professional fund raising has ben going on for a long time. Having
basic feedback mechanisms encourages people to give. If they see how their
contribution will add to a milestone being started/finished, it helps. I
know it takes time and resources to do this, but ultimately, the fund
raising is a big part I presume.
>
>Now if I am wrong and the project is waiting for a grant or a free rocket
ride to either bother, then let's see that status.
>
>
>Note I read the Project Fox presentation given at Dayton and it did not
mention funding targets except to state the obvious that launch costs have
gone up. We need real numbers and to see how far it will take to get there.
I think more people can rally around the project with some goals in mind.
>
>Regards,
>
------------------------------
Message: 10
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 16:22:52 +0000
From: B J <va6bmj@xxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: There's no usable satellites
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On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Bato,Andras <bato@xxxxxxx.xx> wrote:
> Gentlemen,
>
> I have spent too much money on an FT-847!
>
> I had better to buy a well equipped HF transceiver instead!
>
> There is practically no usable satellites -except for AO-7 and VO-52.
>
I've worked FO-29, AO-27, and AO-51 with my '847.
The problem is that you can find always the same stations on them.
>
Sometimes that happens but, once in a while, I contact a station I've never
worked before or reach someone in a new grid square.
I've been on satellites for just over 3 years and I've logged over 340
different stations and over 270 grid squares, making contacts in 5 different
countries in North America and Europe. I did that using 7 different birds
and the ISS FM repeater.
>
> F2IL is in my log about 300 times...
>
> Spending money on FM satellites were made according to long term plans of
> IARU, ARRL and AMSAT which had been a dream of
> handling emergency traffic using hand-held equipment and antenna -as far as
> I know.
>
> Satellite activity is seriously declining!
>
I've found that there's always something new I can try over a satellite.
This year, I started on SSB and made contacts over AO-7 Mode B, FO-29, and
VO-52. I'd like to try AO-7 Mode A if I can get a proper antenna for it.
<snip>
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 16:27:57 +0000
From: B J <va6bmj@xxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: There's no usable satellites
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On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 4:22 PM, B J <va6bmj@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Bato,Andras <bato@xxxxxxx.xx> wrote:
>
>> Gentlemen,
>>
>> I have spent too much money on an FT-847!
>>
>> I had better to buy a well equipped HF transceiver instead!
>>
>> There is practically no usable satellites -except for AO-7 and VO-52.
>>
>
> I've worked FO-29, AO-27, and AO-51 with my '847.
>
> The problem is that you can find always the same stations on them.
>>
>
> Sometimes that happens but, once in a while, I contact a station I've never
> worked before or reach someone in a new grid square.
>
> I've been on satellites for just over 3 years and I've logged over 340
> different stations and over 270 grid squares, making contacts in 5 different
> countries in North America and Europe. I did that using 7 different birds
> and the ISS FM repeater.
>
>
>>
>> F2IL is in my log about 300 times...
>>
>> Spending money on FM satellites were made according to long term plans of
>> IARU, ARRL and AMSAT which had been a dream of
>> handling emergency traffic using hand-held equipment and antenna -as far
>> as I know.
>>
>> Satellite activity is seriously declining!
>>
>
> I've found that there's always something new I can try over a satellite.
> This year, I started on SSB and made contacts over AO-7 Mode B, FO-29, and
> VO-52. I'd like to try AO-7 Mode A if I can get a proper antenna for it.
>
> <snip>
>
>
I forgot to add my name and callsign:
Bernhard VA6BMJ @ DO33FL
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 17:28:56 +0100
From: Gordon JC Pearce <gordonjcp@xxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: There's no usable satellites
Message-ID: <20111024172856.20f89d29.gordonjcp@xxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 10:47:00 -0500
John Becker <w0jab@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> I got to agree with you.
>
> The FM sat's in my option is near useless with all the
> "using them famous words of the late W2OY"
> Just way to many "kids, lids and space cadets "
> Standing in their back yard on a FM HT.
Standing in your back yard with an FM handie and a homebrew antenna is a
great way to communicate, and I'd recommend it to anyone. It takes skill to
build a decent aerial, build a diplexer, set it all up and work out where to
point. These are skills that anyone can learn, if they choose to. Where's
the skill in the "armchair copy" computer-controlled stuff? You buy some
aerials, buy the brackets, buy a rotator, buy a CAT cable, buy some
proprietary software to drive it, and then plug it together. If you can
wave a credit card and click through the install wizard, you're on the air.
> Pass after pass it seems to always to be the same people.
Yup, it's nice being able to catch up with friends in another country,
quickly and easily.
> Sure do (still) miss AO-40....
If you want to sit in front of your computer and have it steer the aerial
and do all the tuning, then that's great. You could get the same effect by
using Skype.
I honestly cannot see the attraction in HEO satellites, and I *am* old
enough to have experienced them when they were working. Maybe there's
something subtle I'm missing, I don't know. I just don't get it.
--
Gordon JC Pearce MM0YEQ <gordonjcp@xxxx.xxx>
------------------------------
Message: 13
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 11:31:35 -0500
From: Michael Schulz <mschulz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb BBs <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: There's no usable satellites
Message-ID: <E6AC9EC4-AC8A-4D03-B52D-BA6E20F127FC@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
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On Oct 24, 2011, at 10:58 AM, Thomas Schaefer wrote:
> I do not understand the purpose to belittle people that want to use the
satellite on an HT. I can use my 9100, but it is a nice intro to be in the
yard or a beach with an HT and an Arrow antenna. What purpose does it serve
to take that away from someone if it does not fit your idea of what
operating should be?
>
> Tom NY4I
Let me put another quote out there:
Great minds discuss ideas, mediocre minds discuss events, small minds
discuss personalities.?Eleanor Roosevelt
Or in other words, some people need to re-assure their self worth by finding
something/somebody as perceived by themselves
of lower value/quality than themselves to raise their own idea or reflection
of themselves. It is easier to do so by looking towards
other people than having great ideas.
How dare one use a satellite with an HT when I spent thousands of dollars on
an Oscar station? Yeah ok, the outcome is the same
in terms of communication achieved, but come on ... I spent thousands of
dollars on errrm .. now unnecessary equipment because
the kids, lids and space cadets run circles around me with their HTs.
This is just getting more sad as we progress here. And the direction these
threads now seem to take can barely be classified as
progress.
73 Mike K5TRI
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 12:37:34 -0400
From: "Bob Bruninga" <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Crumudgeons
Message-ID: <006a01cc926b$3bbefcb0$b33cf610$@xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> Just way to many "kids, lids and space cadets "
> Standing in their back yard on a FM HT.
> Pass after pass it seems to always to be the same people.
The dark-side of Ham radio is the Curmudgeons who feel they must hold
everyone back to their own style and their own narrow view of the hobby.
But anyone with any sense of the golden rule understands that
accomplishments in an all volunteer endeavor are never made by bashing, or
trying to change what other people do.
Progress is made when the Curmudgeons get out of the way, and let those with
ideas or interests move forward. There simply is no value (to others) in
trying to bash others or attempt to change their interests.
Everyone learns from Ham radio. And the best way to learn is by hands on
experience and learning it themselves. What the Curmudgeons learned in
their 40+ years of ham radio may in fact be what the newer members need to
learn. But just like the Curmudgeons had to learn it on their own, the
people with other ideas may have to learn their own lessons as well.
I expect that what the current players learn will be far different from what
the Curmudgeons learned, because face it, the world and technology has
changed in 40 years and will not have the same lessons or conclusions.
Nobody is right or wrong. Just find something in Ham radio and pursue it.
And hope that the Curmudgeons stay out of the way. They contribute little
towards progress but try to hold everyone back.
One can elmer, steer and provide some guidance to try to give some
direction, but bashing and negativism only inhibits progress along the
hobby.
Just my 2 cents. Learned 40 years ago from W4RI, Paul Rinaldo in trying to
herd all the cats in the AMRAD club as they developed packet radio.
Bob, Wb4APR
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 18:39:50 +0200
From: "Jan H. van Gils" <janvg@xxxxx.xx>
To: rjad@xxxx.xxx.xx.xx
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Prospero Commanded Pass Today
Message-ID: <20111024163950.DB8FA1A086@xx.xxxxx.xx>
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
Hi Roger,
I have updated http://www.pe0sat.vgnet.nl/satellite/sat-history/prospero/
with my latest images and recordings. It is possible to get the complete
audio file. Send me a direct email and we can arrange something.
I had read that there is a 148.000 MHz transmitter on board prospero, and
I listend to that frquentie during the pass from 15:55 UTC. Maybe it is
interesting what is happening on that transmitter.
How do things go on your site regarding PROSPERO? any news?
73 Jan PE0SAT
On Mon, October 24, 2011 13:01, Roger Duthie wrote:
> AMSAT community -
>
> The Mullard team intend to attempt commanding to Prospero during the
> following pass:
> (entries are: date; mag; start time; el; az; max el time; max el; az;
> end time; end el; end az)
> 24 Oct
>
<http://www.heavens-above.com/Gtrack.aspx?Session=kebgfdalljnnahdmapeidbkh&sat
id=5580&date=40840.6673023843>
> 7.7 16:54:17 10 SSW 17:00:54 58 WNW 17:08:40 10 N
>
>
> Any listening on the downlink, and feedback on your observations, would
> be most appreciated.
> We may also try the later pass:
>
> 24 Oct
>
<http://www.heavens-above.com/Gtrack.aspx?Session=kebgfdalljnnahdmapeidbkh&sat
id=5580&date=40840.7412698495>
> 9.3 18:42:56 10 W 18:47:25 17 NW 18:52:14 10 N
>
>
>
> **** TIMES ARE IN BST (ie., UTC + 1) ****
>
> - Roger
>
> PS., I hope the copy-paste from heavens-above works.
>
>
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With regards Jan H. van Gils
Internet web-page http://www.VGNet.NL/
Internet e-mail address JanVG[at]VGNet.NL
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 09:40:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: George Henry <ka3hsw@xxx.xxx>
To: B J <va6bmj@xxxxx.xxx>, amsat-bb <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Antennas For AO-7 Mode A
Message-ID: <1319474431.94342.YahooMailRC@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
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A loop for 10 meters is 8 feet (app. 2.4 meters) on each side - totally
impractical for hand-held use. I have had some success using a 10 meter
mobile
whip on a mag mount on the car, and even better luck using 2 mobile whips in a
horizontal dipole configuration at the top of a 10-foot (3M) mast, rotated by
hand for the best signal.
If you wanted to get really creative, you could use 4 whips, crossed at 90
degrees, and add a proper phasing cable between them to make a turnstile, but
that's a lot of stuff to lug around with you, and getting really far from your
objective of hand-held.
Otherwise, your only option for something remotely hand-holdable for HF is
some
type of active antenna, such as the MFJ-1020C.
George, KA3HSW
----- Original Message ----
> From: B J <va6bmj@xxxxx.xxx>
> To: amsat-bb <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> Sent: Sun, October 23, 2011 11:07:36 PM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Antennas For AO-7 Mode A
>
> I'm looking for a suitable antenna that I can use to operate over AO-7 in
> mode A . The main requirement that it be hand-held.
>
> I've looked on the Internet and, so far, I haven't found any off-the-shelf
> antennas. I did, however, find several websites that have instructions for
> home-brew designs but none were specifically for mode A.
>
> One possibility that occurred to me is to combine 2 different types, such
as
> an eggbeater for 2 m and a hand-held HF loop for 10 m. One drawback that I
> see for this arrangement is that it might be too big or too heavy for it to
> be practical as a hand-held unit.
>
> Does anyone know of a commercially available mode A antenna suitable for
> hand-held operation or know of a home-brew design for one?
>
> Thank you.
>
> 73s
>
> Bernhard VA6BMJ @ DO33FL
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