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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Why should we support AMSAT? (R Oler)
2. AO-27/SO-50 (Richard Grabotin)
3. Prospero Commanded Pass Today (Roger Duthie)
4. Re: This Is a HOBBY people (i8cvs)
5. Re: Why should we support AMSAT? (i8cvs)
6. Re: This Is a HOBBY people (Andre)
7. Sunday US ARISSAT Pass (Jeff Welsh)
8. Re: AO-27/SO-50 (David Palmer KB5WIA)
9. Re: Sunday US ARISSAT Pass (David Palmer KB5WIA)
10. Re: AO-27/SO-50 (Stephen E. Belter)
11. Re: AO-27/SO-50 (Dominic Hawken)
12. Re: AO-27/SO-50 (Mark L. Hammond)
13. Re: AO-27/SO-50 (Dominic Hawken)
14. Re: This Is a HOBBY people (Clayton Coleman W5PFG)
15. Re: This Is a HOBBY people (i8cvs)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 23:44:26 -0500
From: R Oler <orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: <n8fgv@xxx.xxx>, Amsat BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Why should we support AMSAT?
Message-ID: <COL106-W355608E6BEEDDCD07ABC13D6EF0@xxx.xxx>
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Dan...so have amateurs...see Stensat. And "suitsat 1 and 2" were not that
great success either... Sorry I dont agree with much of that statement
Robert G. Oler WB5MZO Life member AMSAT ARRL NARS
> Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 20:13:22 -0400
> From: n8fgv@xxx.xxx
> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Why should we support AMSAT?
>
> Stefan,
>
> I wasn't trying to diminish the students, but I have worked with a student
> satellite project where they literally took a chip maker's application note
> for a baby monitor or cordless telephone transmitter and made a satellite
> transmitter out of it, and it didn't work on orbit.
>
> I appreciate the students energy and enthusiasm, but in some cases they do
> have much to learn about RF. I also remember how valuable my amateur radio
> background was to me when I was an engineering student, when some of my
> classmates couldn't even read the color bands on a resistor and had no idea
> how the theory that we were studying was applied to real world applications.
>
> I am also concerned about whether the students are receiving the right
kind of
> experience to prepare them for the aerospace industry. They get to make all
> the design decisions and direct their entire project, but when they are
hired
> by Lockheed Martin or some other large aerospace company they will be doing
> mind numbing paperwork and will have little power to make engineering
> decisions, particularly on government contracts. I also know about this from
> years of experience. They also are not learning the political skills that
they
> will need to have to survive in the corporate world, where career success
> depends more on how you suck up to authority than on your ability to
design or
> build anything.
>
> I am not diminishing the students, I love the students and want them to
> succeed better than I did, but I have much experience, not all of it
positive,
> that I feel I should share with them during their formative years.
>
> Dan
>
> ------ Original Message ------
> Received: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 09:18:48 AM EDT
> From: Stefan Wagener <wageners@xxxxx.xxx>
> To: Daniel Schultz <n8fgv@xxx.xxx>Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Why should we support AMSAT?
>
> > Hi Dan,
> >
> > You have some good points and your thoughts are appreciated. But why
> > are you diminishing the students efforts by making these statements:
> >
> > At least they are building, studying, learning and actually many times
> > successfully have an operational satellite.
> >
> > Thanks for reading.
> >
> > Stefan, VE4NSA
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 21:37:50 -0700
From: Richard Grabotin <hans_2@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-27/SO-50
Message-ID: <697A15EA-E5B1-4267-835A-22C3EA6B35B0@xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
I am new to satellites as of this weekend. I have worked AO-51 three times
with much success. SO-50 I can hear off and on, but I am having trouble
raising it. As for AO-27, I had a nice daytime direct overhead pass and
heard nothing. I am using a yeasu g-5500 rotator with the AMSAT controller
and ham radio deluxe. Kenwood ts-2000 for the rig and a 8 element 440 and a
4 element 2 meter antenna. The antennas are currently linear polarized since
my phasing cables still have not arrived from the manufacturer.
My questions are, is AO-27 difficult to work? Is it on a schedule? Any ideas
why I could not raise or hear it?
As for SO-50: Should I be listening 5khz down? Ham radio deluxe is
controlling the radio frequencies and I made a custom entry for 5khz down
and corrected for Doppler. This still did not seem to help.
Richard
K7LWV
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 12:01:28 +0100
From: Roger Duthie <rjad@xxxx.xxx.xx.xx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Prospero Commanded Pass Today
Message-ID: <4EA54588.8060303@xxxx.xxx.xx.xx>
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AMSAT community -
The Mullard team intend to attempt commanding to Prospero during the
following pass:
(entries are: date; mag; start time; el; az; max el time; max el; az;
end time; end el; end az)
24 Oct
<http://www.heavens-above.com/Gtrack.aspx?Session=kebgfdalljnnahdmapeidbkh&sat
id=5580&date=40840.6673023843>
7.7 16:54:17 10 SSW 17:00:54 58 WNW 17:08:40 10 N
Any listening on the downlink, and feedback on your observations, would
be most appreciated.
We may also try the later pass:
24 Oct
<http://www.heavens-above.com/Gtrack.aspx?Session=kebgfdalljnnahdmapeidbkh&sat
id=5580&date=40840.7412698495>
9.3 18:42:56 10 W 18:47:25 17 NW 18:52:14 10 N
**** TIMES ARE IN BST (ie., UTC + 1) ****
- Roger
PS., I hope the copy-paste from heavens-above works.
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 13:05:22 +0200
From: "i8cvs" <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx>
To: "Kevin Deane" <summit496@xxxx.xxx>, "Amsat - BBs"
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: This Is a HOBBY people
Message-ID: <005301cc923c$d3a1ef80$0401a8c0@xxxxxx>
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Deane" <summit496@xxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 10:33 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] This Is a HOBBY people
>
> As much as I enjoy the banter, animosity and sometimes really brilliant
> posts, I want to remind everyone that this is a HOBBY!
>
> Amateur Radio.
>
> Shut up and have fun, some of you take this WAY TO SERIOUSLY.
>
> Kevin
> KF7MYK
Hi Kevin, KF7MYK
The official Definitios given by IARU ( the International Amateur Radio
Union) for the Amateur Service and the Amateur-Satellite Service are the
following :
ARTICLE Nr1
3.34 Amateur Service:
A radiocommunication service for the purpose of self-training ,
intercommunication and technical investigations carried out by
amateurs, that is,by duly authorized persons interested in radio
technique solely with a personal aim and without pecuniary
interest.
3.35 Amateur Satellite Service:
A radiocommunication service using space stations on earth
satellites for the same purposes as those of the amateur service.
As you can realize the Amateur Service and the Amateur Satellite
Service are not defined as an "HOBBY" but as a "SERVICE" for
self-training , intercommunication and technical investigations
activity and this is why we receive the permission to use the radio
frequency spectrum at no cost because the technical knowledge
that one of us get with the Amateur Service is a profit at zero cost
for the Community.
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:20:20 +0200
From: "i8cvs" <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx>
To: "Daniel Schultz" <n8fgv@xxx.xxx>, "Amsat - BBs"
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Why should we support AMSAT?
Message-ID: <002401cc9247$4c8f6120$0401a8c0@xxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Schultz" <n8fgv@xxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 2:13 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Why should we support AMSAT?
< SNIP>
>
> I also remember how valuable my amateur radio background was to me when
> I was an engineering student, when some of my classmates couldn't even
> read the color bands on a resistor and had no idea how the theory that we
> were studying was applied to real world applications.
>
> Dan
>
Hi Dan, N8FGV
I also remember how valuable my amateur radio background was to me
during the very hard selection for my engineering job for the Electrical
and Electronic maintenance into a plant in Italy 50% with the U.S.Steel
in Pittsburgh, PA.
I hold certain that my expertise in electrical and electronic engineering
gained with the job over the years was made easier in virtue of my previous
technical interest in the amateur radio particularly studying and building
for many years real circuits that were working as described into the
ARRL Handbook.
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:25:38 +0200
From: Andre <sats@xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: This Is a HOBBY people
Message-ID: <4EA55942.3050107@xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Op 24-10-2011 13:05, i8cvs schreef:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kevin Deane"<summit496@xxxx.xxx>
> To:<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 10:33 PM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] This Is a HOBBY people
>> As much as I enjoy the banter, animosity and sometimes really brilliant
>> posts, I want to remind everyone that this is a HOBBY!
>>
>> Amateur Radio.
>>
>> Shut up and have fun, some of you take this WAY TO SERIOUSLY.
>>
>> Kevin
>> KF7MYK
> Hi Kevin, KF7MYK
>
> The official Definitios given by IARU ( the International Amateur Radio
> Union) for the Amateur Service and the Amateur-Satellite Service are the
> following :
>
> ARTICLE Nr1
>
> 3.34 Amateur Service:
> A radiocommunication service for the purpose of self-training ,
> intercommunication and technical investigations carried out by
> amateurs, that is,by duly authorized persons interested in radio
> technique solely with a personal aim and without pecuniary
> interest.
>
> 3.35 Amateur Satellite Service:
> A radiocommunication service using space stations on earth
> satellites for the same purposes as those of the amateur service.
>
> As you can realize the Amateur Service and the Amateur Satellite
> Service are not defined as an "HOBBY" but as a "SERVICE" uthor.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
The problem with these definitions is that the ITU defines all radio
users as services, even CB falls under land mobile services.
Guess CB is not a hobby too.
73 Andre PE1RDW
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 08:32:53 -0400
From: Jeff Welsh <jhwelsh@xxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Sunday US ARISSAT Pass
Message-ID:
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Did anyone notice the apparent reset of ARISSAT yesterday during it's
mid-afternoon US pass?
I was in the process of setting up for telemetry reception when the bird
seemed to drop out completely and come back online about 1-2 minutes later.
Just curious if it is a schedule rest period for the transmitters.
--jeff
N3QO
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 13:31:40 +0000
From: David Palmer KB5WIA <kb5wia@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Richard Grabotin <hans_2@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-27/SO-50
Message-ID:
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Hi Richard,
>. I am using a yeasu g-5500 rotator with the AMSAT controller and ham radio
deluxe. Kenwood ts-2000 for the rig and a 8 element 440 and a 4 element 2
meter antenna. The antennas are currently linear polarized since my phasing
cables still have not arrived from the manufacturer.
Good setup!
>
> My questions are, is AO-27 difficult to work? Is it on a schedule? Any
ideas why I could not raise or hear it?
Yes, it's on a schedule -- check the status page on www.amsat.org to
see when it comes on and off. It comes on at mid-latitudes by a timer,
so for an overhead pass in your area you *should* have heard it ....
other things to check would be that the keps are current, and that
there weren't any glitches during that particular pass (ie. maybe
radios briefly stopped tuning). Try again, it's a nice loud sat.
>
> As for SO-50: Should I be listening 5khz down? Ham radio deluxe is
controlling the radio frequencies and I made a custom entry for 5khz down
and corrected for Doppler. This still did not seem to help.
I've found SO-50 about 5kHz-8kHz down, so listen down a little.
Remember the tone on the uplink too. Also, I've seen quite a few
posts that the TS-2000 has a birdie right at the high end of SO-50's
downlink, so you may have a better chance hearing it later in the pass
as doppler moves the downlink away from the birdie.
>
>
> Richard
> K7LWV
Good luck on the sats!!!!
73 de Dave KB5WIA
------------------------------
Messag later.
>
> Just curious if it is a schedule rest period for the transmitters.
>
> --jeff
> N3QO
I noticed the same thing calling CQ on the transponder. ARISSAT has a
low-power mode (also called a low duty cycle mode) where it shuts off
for 2 minutes and then comes on for 40 seconds, then off again. This
might be the cause.
73! Dave KB5WIA
------------------------------
Message: 10
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 09:36:40 -0400
From: "Stephen E. Belter" <seb@xxxxxx.xxx>
To: Richard Grabotin <hans_2@xxxxx.xxx>, "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-27/SO-50
Message-ID:
<51668A33220E754EABE6583357ECEE2D7A106C04@xxxxxxxx.xxxxxx.xxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Richard,
You probably didn't hear AO-27 because it was off on the passes you tried to
work. Was the satellite over Canada or was it moving from north to south?
AO-27 isn't difficult to work, except that it is *very* popular (can be hard
to get a word in edgewise) and is on a timer. In general, AO-27 is
operational over the United States for a period of seven minutes in the
afternoon passes when the satellite is traveling from south to north.
Before transmitting, make sure you can hear the satellite. If you don't
hear it, it isn't turned on. When AO-27 is on and passing over the middle
of the US, it will sound like a DX pile-up. Since you are in Oregon, your
least crowded passes will be when AO-27 is off the west coast over the
Pacific Ocean. (I've had relaxed conversations on AO-27 from Indiana when
it is over the Atlantic Ocean.)
The design/assigned frequency for SO-50 is 436.800, but I've been finding it
between 436.791 to 436.794 (before Doppler correction). SO-50 also requires
that you transmit a 67 Hz subaudible (CTSS or PL) tone. The SO-50
transmitter is on a ten minute timer that is reset by sending a 74 Hz tone,
but don't worry about it until you become familiar with the satellite. Let
other stations worry about resetting the timer.
Clint Bradford, K6LCS, has some great information for hams just getting
started on satellites. You can find it at www.work-sat.org .
73, Steve N9IP
--
Steve Belter, Indiana Dataline Corp
427 N 6th Street, Suite C
Lafayette, IN 47901-2211
Tel: (765) 269-8521
www.indiana-dataline.net
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Richard Grabotin
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 12:38 AM
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-27/SO-50
I am new to satellites as of this weekend. I have worked AO-51 three times
with much success. SO-50 I can hear off and on, but I am having trouble
raising it. As for AO-27, I had a nice daytime direct overhead pass and
heard nothing. I am using a yeasu g-5500 rotator with the AMSAT controller
and ham radio deluxe. Kenwood ts-20hings to check would be that the keps are current, and that
> there weren't any glitches during that particular pass (ie. maybe
> radios briefly stopped tuning). Try again, it's a nice loud sat.
>
>>
>> As for SO-50: Should I be listening 5khz down? Ham radio deluxe is
controlling the radio frequencies and I made a custom entry for 5khz down
and corrected for Doppler. This still did not seem to help.
>
> I've found SO-50 about 5kHz-8kHz down, so listen down a little.
> Remember the tone on the uplink too. Also, I've seen quite a few
> posts that the TS-2000 has a birdie right at the high end of SO-50's
> downlink, so you may have a better chance hearing it later in the pass
> as doppler moves the downlink away from the birdie.
I have a virtually identical set up but with a FT-847 radio. I get AO-27
but with HRD I do find I have to tune about to get the receive - 5 to
10Khz. Wierdly I find it _much_ easier to work the SSB sats with the set
up than I do the FM ones - sounds like you have the same issue.
Dominic G6NQO
------------------------------
Message: 12
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 10:00:33 -0400
From: "Mark L. Hammond" <marklhammond@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "Stephen E. Belter" <seb@xxxxxx.xxx>, Richard Grabotin
<hans_2@xxxxx.xxx>, "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-27/SO-50
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Good points from Steve (and other).
***Don't forget the DREADFUL TS-2000 birdie on the AO-27 and SO-50
downlinks. :( It is the only thing I hate about the radio....
With a good mast-mounted preamp (didn't see you note any??) and some
frequency adjusting (up/down to minimize the birdie's effect), and
even try FM-N on receive---you can make some contacts. But it's
annoying as all get out. And it makes it tough. Did I say that I
HATE that birdie? ;)
Basically, I flame up the old TS-790A when I want to work these
two---and that's a real shame on the TS-2000.
You might give SatPC32 a shot--it lets you juggle back and forth for
both SO-50 tones (one to key it up, another to work through it). It
makes it just a mouse click or two...quite nice.
73,
Mark N8MH
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 9:36 AM, Stephen E. Belter <seb@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> Richard,
>
> You probably didn't hear AO-27 because it was off on the passes you tried
to work. ?Was the satellite over Canada or was it moving from north to south?
>
> AO-27 isn't difficult to work, except that it is *very* popular (can be
hard to get a word in edgewise) and is on a timer. ?In general, AO-27 is
operational over the United States for a period of seven minutes in the
afternoon passes when the satellite is traveling from south to north.
>
> Before transmitting, make sure you can hear the satellite. ?If your
least crowded passes will be when AO-27 is off the west coast over the
Pacific Ocean. ?(I've had relaxed conversations on AO-27 from Indiana when
it is over the Atlantic Ocean.)
>
> The design/assigned frequency for SO-50 is 436.800, but I've been finding
it between 436.791 to 436.794 (before Doppler correction). ?SO-50 also
requires that you transmit a 67 Hz subaudible (CTSS or PL) tone. ?The SO-50
transmitter is on a ten minute timer that is reset by sending a 74 Hz tone,
but don't worry about it until you become familiar with the satellite. ?Let
other stations worry about resetting the timer.
>
> Clint Bradford, K6LCS, has some great information for hams just getting
started on satellites. ?You can find it at www.work-sat.org .
>
> 73, Steve N9IP
> --
> Steve Belter, Indiana Dataline Corp
> 427 N 6th Street, Suite C
> Lafayette, IN 47901-2211
> Tel: (765) 269-8521
> www.indiana-dataline.net
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Richard Grabotin
> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 12:38 AM
> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-27/SO-50
>
> I am new to satellites as of this weekend. I have worked AO-51 three times
with much success. SO-50 I can hear off and on, but I am having trouble
raising it. As for AO-27, I had a nice daytime direct overhead pass and
heard nothing. I am using a yeasu g-5500 rotator wiT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
--
Mark L. Hammond [N8MH]
------------------------------
Message: 13
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 15:17:55 +0100
From: Dominic Hawken <dominic@xxx.xx.xx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-27/SO-50
Message-ID: <4EA57393.5020308@xxx.xx.xx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
On the subject of mast-mounted preamps, is there a good second-hand
recommendation? I've seen some very expensive new ones and looked at
building from scratch - just wondering if there's anything old but good
on the market that I should be keeping an eye out for?
Thanks,
Dominic G6NQO.
On 24/10/2011 15:00, Mark L. Hammond wrote:
> Good points from Steve (and other).
>
> ***Don't forget the DREADFUL TS-2000 birdie on the AO-27 and SO-50
> downlinks. :( It is the only thing I hate about the radio....
>
> With a good mast-mounted preamp (didn't see you note any??) and some
> frequency adjusting (up/down to minimize the birdie's effect), and
> even try FM-N on receive---you can make some contacts. But it's
> annoying as all get out. And it makes it tough. Did I say that I
> HATE that birdie? ;)
>
> Basically, I flame up the old TS-790A when I want to work these
> two---and that's a real shame on the TS-2000.
>
> You might give SatPC32 a shot--it lets you juggle back and forth for
> both SO-50 tones (one to key it up, another to work through it). It
> makes it just a mouse click or two...quite nice.
>
> 73,
>
> Mark N8MH
>
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 9:36 AM, Stephen E. Belter<seb@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>> Richard,
>>
>> You probably didn't hear AO-27 because it was off on the passes you tried
to work. Was the satellite over Canada or was it moving from north to south?
>>
>> AO-27 isn't difficult to work, except that it is *very* popular (can be
hard to get a word in edgewise) and is on a timer. In general, AO-27 is
operational over the United States for a period of seven minutes in the
afternoon passes when the satellite is traveling from south to north.
>>
>> Before transmitting, make sure you can hear the satellite. If you don't
hear it, it isn't turned on. When AO-27 is on and passing over the middle
of the US, it will sound like a DX pile-up. Since you are in Oregon, your
least crowded passes will be when AO-27 is off the west coast over the
Pacific Ocean. (I've had relaxed conversations on AO-27 from Indiana when
it is over the Atlantic Ocean.)
>>
>> The design/assigned frequency for SO-50 is 436.800, but I've been finding
it between 436.791 to 436.794 (before Doppler correction). SO-50 also
requires that you transmit a 67 Hz subaudible (CTSS or PL) tone. The SO-50
transmitter is on a ten minute timer that is reset by sending a 74 Hz tone,
but don't worry about it until you become familiar with the satellite. Let
other stations worry about resetting the timer.
>>
>> Clint Bradford, K6LCS, has some great information for hams just getting
started on satellites. You can find it at www.work-sat.org .
>>
>> 73, Steve N9IP
>> --
>> Steve Belter, Indiana Dataline Corp
>> 427 N 6th Street, Suite C
>> Lafayette, IN 47901-2211
>> Tel: (765) 269-8521
>> www.indiana-dataline.net
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Richard Grabotin
>> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 12:38 AM
>> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
>> Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-27/SO-50
>>
>> I am new to satellites as of this weekend. I have worked AO-51 three
times with much success. SO-50 I can hear off and on, but I am having
trouble raising it. As for AO-27, I had a nice daytime direct overhead pass
and heard nothing. I am using a yeasu g-5500 rotator with the AMSAT
controller and ham radio deluxe. Kenwood ts-2000 for the rig and a 8 element
440 and a 4 element 2 meter antenna. The antennas are currently linear
polarized since my phasing cables still have not arrived from the
manufacturer.
>>
>> My questions are, is AO-27 difficult to work? Is it on a schedule? Any
ideas why I could not raise or hear it?
>>
>> As for SO-50: Should I be listening 5khz down? Ham radio deluxe is
controlling the radio frequencies and I made a custom entry for 5khz down
and corrected for Doppler. This still did not seem to help.
>>
>>
>> Richard
>> K7LWV
>>
>>
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 09:27:15 -0500
From: Clayton Coleman W5PFG <kayakfishtx@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Kevin Deane <summit496@xxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: This Is a HOBBY people
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Kevin,
I'm afraid you have used improper terminology and upset the demigods
of the satellite community.
Some relevant definitions from the Merriam-Webster Dictionary:
- Leisure (n): time free from work or duties
- Hobby (n): a pursuit outside one's regular occupation engaged in
especially for relaxation
- Amateur (n): one who engages in a pursuit, study, science, or sport
as a pastime rather than as a profession
This quote sums up my thoughts about this unfortunate series of email threads:
"We have met the enemy and they is us." - Pogo Cartoon, Walt Kelly
73
Clayton
W5PFG
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Kevin Deane <summit496@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
> As much as I enjoy the banter, animosity and sometimes really brilliant
posts, I want to remind everyone that this is a HOBBY!
>
> Amateur Radio.
>
> Shut up and have fun, some of you take this WAY TO SERIOUSLY.
>
> Kevin
> KF7MYK
>
>
>
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 16:44:28 +0200
From: "i8cvs" <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx>
To: "Andre" <sats@xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx>, "Amsat - BBs" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: This Is a HOBBY people
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Andre" <sats@xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 2:25 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: This Is a HOBBY people
> Op 24-10-2011 13:05, i8cvs schreef:
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Kevin Deane"<summit496@xxxx.xxx>
> > To:<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> > Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 10:33 PM
> > Subject: [amsat-bb] This Is a HOBBY people
> >> As much as I enjoy the banter, animosity and sometimes really brilliant
> >> posts, I want to remind everyone that this is a HOBBY!
> >>
> >> Amateur Radio.
> >>
> >> Shut up and have fun, some of you take this WAY TO SERIOUSLY.
> >>
> >> Kevin
> >> KF7MYK
> > Hi Kevin, KF7MYK
> >
> > The official Definitios given by IARU ( the International Amateur Radio
> > Union) for the Amateur Service and the Amateur-Satellite Service are the
> > following :
> >
> > ARTICLE Nr1
> >
> > 3.34 Amateur Service:
> > A radiocommunication service for the purpose of self-training
,
> > intercommunication and technical investigations carried out
by
> > amateurs, that is,by duly authorized persons interested in
radio
> > technique solely with a personal aim and without pecuniary
> > interest.
> >
> > 3.35 Amateur Satellite Service:
> > A radiocommunication service using space stations on earth
> > satellites for the same purposes as those of the amateur
service.
> >
> > As you can realize the Amateur Service and the Amateur Satellite
> > Service are not defined as an "HOBBY" but as a "SERVICE" for
> > self-training , intercommunication and technical investigations
> > activity and this is why we receive the permission to use the radio
> > frequency spectrum at no cost because the technical knowledge
> > that one of us get with the Amateur Service is a profit at zero cost
> > for the Community.
> >
> > 73" de
> >
> > i8CVS Domenico
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> >
> The problem with these definitions is that the ITU defines all radio
> users as services, even CB falls under land mobile services.
> Guess CB is not a hobby too.
>
> 73 Andre PE1RDW
Hi Andre, PE1RDW
I don't have at hand the ITU definitions for "land mobile services" but
this services are only for intercommunication and not for the purposes
of self-training ,and technical investigations in radio technique as is
the Amateur Service and the Amateur Satellite Service.
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
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