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Today's Topics:
1. VUCC #223 (Stephen E. Belter)
2. Re: Knowledge (Nigel A. Gunn, W8IFF/G8IFF)
3. Re: Knowledge (Michael Schulz)
4. This Is a HOBBY people (Kevin Deane)
5. Re: Why should we support AMSAT? (Daniel Schultz)
6. Recycling Old Satellites (B J)
7. Updated AMSAT Symposium schedule; (Gould Smith)
8. WD9EWK satellite activity on Saturday (22 October)
(Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
9. Re: This Is a HOBBY people (Gregg Wonderly)
10. Re: VUCC #223 (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
11. Re: This Is a HOBBY people (Michael Schulz)
12. Antennas For AO-7 Mode A (B J)
13. Re: This Is a HOBBY people (Art McBride)
14. Re: Why should we support AMSAT? (Andy Kellner)
15. Re: Why should we support AMSAT? (R Oler)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 15:11:13 -0400
From: "Stephen E. Belter" <seb@xxxxxx.xxx>
To: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] VUCC #223
Message-ID:
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I'm pleased to report that my ARRL Satellite VHF/UHF Century Club (VUCC)
certificate #223 has arrived.
My VUCC application with 60 LoTW contacts was submitted on September 6th.
My 74 QSL cards were checked by Patti, AF9H, a volunteer VHF Awards Manager
in Illinois on September 9th. My award was printed on October 5th. My
thanks to Patti and to Sharon at ARRL Headquarters for their help in getting
the paperwork processed.
I also want to thank all of the stations who helped me with my contacts,
especially the stations who confirmed our contact with a QSL card or LoTW
entry.
If you haven't used Logbook of the World (LoTW) or if you haven't used it
recently, I encourage you to try it. Getting confirmation of a contact
within a few hours of the QSO is great! (The ARRL accepts LoTW contacts for
VUCC and WAS; it does not accept eQSL or qrz.com logbook entries.)
Special thanks go to these stations who have gone portable to give all of us
the opportunity to work additional grids. (I'm now at 249 grids worked and
182 confirmed.) Here is my list of stations that I've worked from multiple
grid locations:
13 - W5PFG Clayton
10 - ND9M Jim
10 - WD9EWK Patrick
7 - N0JE Gerry
6 - N3YKF Norm
6 - W5JYM Jim
6 - WC7V Kerry
5 - AC0RA Wyatt
5 - K5OE Jerry
5 - KB0RZD Gail
5 - KC0YBM Chris
5 - VA3OR Kevin
4 - K0BAM Jim
4 - KD0BJT Dan
4 - WA4NVM Damon
4 - WA5DA Wadhah
4 - WA5KBH George
3 - AA5CK Ted
3 - KD8CAO Doug
3 - KG6NUB Sawson
3 - NX9B Jeff
3 - XE1AY Ismael
2 - CO6CBF Hector
2 - K3NXH Chuck
2 - K8BL Bob
2 - K8YSE John
2 - KA6SIP Tom
2 - KB1RVT Nick
2 - KB2M Jeff
2 - KB5WIA Dave
2 - KD0JWY Rich
2 - KF7MYK Kevin
2 - KI6YAA Larry
2 - KL7R Dale
2 - KO4MA Drew
2 - VA3CIB Stephan
2 - W5MPC Mike
2 - W9EN John
2 - XE1AO Omar
My point with this list is not only to thank these friends for their effort,
but to also illustrate that there are a lot of people going the extra mile
to improve their skills by operating away from their home QTH.
73 and I hope to work you on the birds!
Steve N9IP
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 20:13:19 +0100
From: "Nigel A. Gunn, W8IFF/G8IFF" <nigel@xxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Knowledge
Message-ID: <4EA4674F.1060800@xxxxx.xxx>
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If it's a fact then it is not debatable.
On 23/10/11 20:00, amsat-bb-request@xxxxx.xxx wrote:
> And I don't think anybody here is debating that very fact.
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 14:31:42 -0500
From: Michael Schulz <mschulz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Knowledge
Message-ID: <1319398302.7534.0.camel@xxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
On Sun, 2011-10-23 at 20:13 +0100, Nigel A. Gunn, W8IFF/G8IFF wrote:
> If it's a fact then it is not debatable.
Logic would dictate that, but yet not everybody thinks or acts
logically :)
--... ...-- Mike K5TRI
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 13:33:28 -0700
From: Kevin Deane <summit496@xxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] This Is a HOBBY people
Message-ID: <COL107-W5191D4A99CEF2AAC13A23183EE0@xxx.xxx>
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As much as I enjoy the banter, animosity and sometimes really brilliant
posts, I want to remind everyone that this is a HOBBY!
Amateur Radio.
Shut up and have fun, some of you take this WAY TO SERIOUSLY.
Kevin
KF7MYK
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 20:13:22 -0400
From: "Daniel Schultz" <n8fgv@xxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Why should we support AMSAT?
Message-ID: <602PJXamw6080S04.1319415202@xxxxx.xxx.xxx.xxx>
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Stefan,
I wasn't trying to diminish the students, but I have worked with a student
satellite project where they literally took a chip maker's application note
for a baby monitor or cordless telephone transmitter and made a satellite
transmitter out of it, and it didn't work on orbit.
I appreciate the students energy and enthusiasm, but in some cases they do
have much to learn about RF. I also remember how valuable my amateur radio
background was to me when I was an engineering student, when some of my
classmates couldn't even read the color bands on a resistor and had no idea
how the theory that we were studying was applied to real world applications.
I am also concerned about whether the students are receiving the right kind of
experience to prepare them for the aerospace industry. They get to make all
the design decisions and direct their entire project, but when they are hired
by Lockheed Martin or some other large aerospace company they will be doing
mind numbing paperwork and will have little power to make engineering
decisions, particularly on government contracts. I also know about this from
years of experience. They also are not learning the political skills that they
will need to have to survive in the corporate world, where career success
depends more on how you suck up to authority than on your ability to design or
build anything.
I am not diminishing the students, I love the students and want them to
succeed better than I did, but I have much experience, not all of it positive,
that I feel I should share with them during their formative years.
Dan
------ Original Message ------
Received: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 09:18:48 AM EDT
From: Stefan Wagener <wageners@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Daniel Schultz <n8fgv@xxx.xxx>Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Why should we support AMSAT?
> Hi Dan,
>
> You have some good points and your thoughts are appreciated. But why
> are you diminishing the students efforts by making these statements:
>
> At least they are building, studying, learning and actually many times
> successfully have an operational satellite.
>
> Thanks for reading.
>
> Stefan, VE4NSA
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 00:14:24 +0000
From: B J <va6bmj@xxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Recycling Old Satellites
Message-ID:
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http://www.darpa.mil/NewsEvents/Releases/2011/10/20.aspx
This is one way of dealing with orbital clutter.
73s
Bernhard VA6BMJ @ DO33FL
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 20:19:48 -0400
From: "Gould Smith" <gouldsmi@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Updated AMSAT Symposium schedule;
Message-ID: <0E1B407F0045412CBC31113F8CB7D2EA@xxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
I have posted an update to the 2011 AMSAT Symposium schedule to include the
list of presentations.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/symposium/2011/SymposiumSchedule.php
Looking forward to a great meeting and learning a great deal from this
stellar list of presenters.
73,
Gould
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 17:26:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Patrick STODDARD \(WD9EWK/VA7EWK\)" <amsat-bb@xxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] WD9EWK satellite activity on Saturday (22 October)
Message-ID:
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Hi!
Another Saturday not in the summertime, another Arizona hamfest, and
another road trip to different parts of the state. Yesterday was a
fun day, with perfect weather for the Old Pueblo Radio Club's hamfest
in Tucson yesterday morning, followed by a few hours in southeastern
Arizona working satellites from the DM51bx/DM52ba grid boundary, and a
drive out to a different spot in the rarely-heard grid DM53 in eastern
Arizona.
Saturday morning at the hamfest was crowded. More people seemed to
be out this year than at last year's hamfest. The parking lot used
for the hamfest was full, if that's any gauge (it hasn't been, for
the past few years since I started going to this hamfest). For the
first time since I've been representing AMSAT at hamfests in almost
5 years, all of my satellite demonstrations were done on the SSB
birds.
With AO-51's pass times gradually moving earlier and earlier as the
years have passed, and SO-50 not passing by in the morning except
for one pass that overlapped an AO-7 pass, I made good use of both
AO-7 and VO-52. AO-7 was in mode B, and that - along with the
reliable VO-52 - made great impressions on the people watching.
Thanks to the stations that called and worked me during the morning,
and I apologize if I missed some of you on those passes.
By 11am (1800 UTC), the hamfest was almost vacant. I packed up my
stuff, stopped for a quick lunch down the street from the hamfest,
then it was off to the DM51bx/DM52ba grid boundary just over an
hour away from Tucson. I was able to get out there in time for the
AO-27 pass around 2006 UTC, and have lots of time to spare. Working
5 passes (two each on AO-27 and AO-51, plus an AO-7 pass) while
enjoying the Saturday afternoon in southeastern Arizona was enjoyable.
Even the time between passes after updating my logbook doing nothing
more than sitting back and listening to some music before the next
pass.
After the last AO-51 pass around 2330 UTC, I had almost 2 1/2 hours
before the SO-50 pass I planned to work at the DM52ax/DM53aa grid
boundary. As I was driving up toward DM53, I started poking around
on my sat-nav system and noticed that I might be able to help a
couple of other satellite operators work a very rare Arizona county
via satellite and still be in grid DM53.
Greenlee County, along Arizona's eastern border with New Mexico, is
the smallest in population (less than 8000). Its county seat,
Clifton, has about half of that - and a big copper mine. Most of
the town is hemmed in by mountains, but I was able to find a dirt
road off the main highway (US-191, the Coronado Trail - previously
known as US-666) in grid DM53ia that kept me up higher than most of
Clifton and have a better shot at working the two passes I planned
for - SO-50 at 0155 UTC, followed by VO-52 at 0220 UTC.
Once I heard SO-50, I was able to work stations from central Mexico
and all across the USA in about 10 minutes. Many were happy with the
DM53 QSO, and a few got the one Arizona county that had eluded them
on the satellites. VO-52 a few minutes after the SO-50 pass was also
good. I'm still working on my log for those two passes, but I was
able to work stations from start to finish on each pass. A good way
to wrap up the radio part of my quick road trip.
After finishing up the radio operating, it was back in the truck for
a drive home of almost 4 hours including a fuel stop. Including my
drive to Tucson on Friday evening in advance of the hamfest, this was
a 524-mile (843km) road trip and activity from 4 grids (hamfest was
in grid DM42me, along with the DM5x grids activated after the hamfest).
I looked at my APRS track for the trip, and I am happy to see that
my entire trip was picked up by the APRS network out here. Lots of
mountaintop digipeaters, and many APRS gateways to feed the APRS RF
network into the Internet, here in Arizona.
For those that missed out on working me in those grids, I will be back
in Tucson for another hamfest in the spring (late March or early April,
date hasn't been determined yet) and a hamfest in Sierra Vista
(southeast of Tucson) in May. I take advantage of these events to
visit the grids in southeastern Arizona that are rarely heard on the
satellites, and I plan on doing it again for those two events next
spring. If there are any county hunters that would like to hear
Greenlee County on the birds again, I might be able to plan another
road trip in that direction.
Time to finish updating my log from last night, and then printing up
more QSL cards.... and, yes, this was fun. :-)
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
P.S.: The Arizona Worked All Counties award is available for those who
make contacts with all 15 Arizona counties. Contacts via satellite
are specifically permitted. I have now been on the satellites from 14
of the 15 counties over the past few years, and Leo W7JPI is on from the
county I have yet to operate from (Santa Cruz County). Information
about this award is at: http://www.w7yrc.org/az-wac.htm
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 19:41:45 -0500
From: Gregg Wonderly <w5ggw@xxx.xxx>
To: Kevin Deane <summit496@xxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: This Is a HOBBY people
Message-ID: <4EA4B449.3050308@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
97.1 Basis and purpose.-
The rules and regulations in this Part are designed to provide an amateur
radio
service having a fundamental purpose as expressed in the following principles:
(a) Recognition and enhancement of the value of the amateur service to the
public as a voluntary noncommercial communication service, particularly with
respect to providing emergency communications.
(b) Continuation and extension of the amateur's proven ability to contribute
to
the advancement of the radio art.
(c) Encouragement and improvement of the amateur service through rules which
provide for advancing skills in both the communications and technical phases
of
the art.
(d) Expansion of the existing reservoir within the amateur radio service of
trained operators, technicians, and electronics experts.
(e) Continuation and extension of the amateur's unique ability to enhance
international goodwill.
None of these items say "this is a hobby" nor do they allude to "just having
fun." I am not trying to say that its just serious in nature, but there is a
considerable amount of personal responsibility and focused effort implied by
the
above points. Think seriously about the phrase "This is a HOBBY people."
It's
not "just" a hobby, although there are many things that you might do with
Amateur Radio that don't focus on the above points. The above points are the
"reason" why the FCC lets you have a license and allows us to use the
frequencies. If we don't focus on fulfilling the responsibilities and charter
of these points with some effort, we are just riding on the heals of the hard
work of others, who do, in fact, have these things at the forefront of their
efforts to do good things with Amateur Radio.
We need to have discussions and we need to focus on the things that do have
meaning related to the 5 points above.
Gregg Wonderly
W5GGW
On 10/23/2011 3:33 PM, Kevin Deane wrote:
>
> As much as I enjoy the banter, animosity and sometimes really brilliant
posts, I want to remind everyone that this is a HOBBY!
>
> Amateur Radio.
>
> Shut up and have fun, some of you take this WAY TO SERIOUSLY.
>
> Kevin
> KF7MYK
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 18:23:00 -0700
From: "Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)" <amsat-bb@xxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: VUCC #223
Message-ID:
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Steve,
> I'm pleased to report that my ARRL Satellite VHF/UHF
> Century Club (VUCC) certificate #223 has arrived.
Congratulations!
> Special thanks go to these stations who have gone
> portable to give all of us the opportunity to work
> additional grids. ?(I'm now at 249 grids worked and
> 182 confirmed.)
>
><list omitted>
Thanks for the mention in the list you posted, along with
the other stations. I enjoy working the radio, if I'm in a
park, parking lot, or (recently) in the back yard at home.
I'm happy that I could contribute to your grid counts in
the relatively short time you've been working the
satellites.
> My point with this list is not only to thank these friends
> for their effort, but to also illustrate that there are a lot
> of people going the extra mile to improve their skills by
> operating away from their home QTH.
Yes!
There are challenges in operating from different locations.
Assembling the equipment, trying it out, being able to travel
with the equipment.... there is a bit of technical skill that is
needed to do this. There's Dave KB5WIA, who had to hike
in and out of the spot he operated from and being in 4 grids
simultaneously. I am looking forward to his presentation at
the upcoming AMSAT Symposium, to see what he did in
preparing to go up there. Or guys like Jim ND9M and Yuri
UT1FG working all sorts of satellites from ships. K8YSE's
road trip through northwestern Ontario with a complete
satellite station in his pickup truck - TS-2000, antennas with
az/el rotator, and computer. I pack a complete station in a
laptop bag I carry on aircraft, and add an Elk log periodic
in a checked suitcase - which have seen activity from all
over the USA as well as from Canada and Australia.
Stuff like this may not be the same technical challenge as
operating through a satellite at 35000 miles up, but there
is still a technical challenge in successfully working the
current crop of satellites we have from different locations.
It's something that can be done today - if you're willing to
give it a try. It's fun, and can be addictive.
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 21:15:28 -0500
From: Michael Schulz <mschulz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb BBs <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: This Is a HOBBY people
Message-ID: <51834EAA-5B7E-45E7-8DF8-6E5A320A107B@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
On Oct 23, 2011, at 7:41 PM, Gregg Wonderly wrote:
> 97.1 Basis and purpose.-
>
> The rules and regulations in this Part are designed to provide an amateur
radio service having a fundamental purpose as expressed in the following
principles:
> [...]
> None of these items say "this is a hobby" nor do they allude to "just
having fun." I am not trying to say that its just serious in nature, but
there is a considerable amount of personal responsibility and focused effort
implied by the above points. Think seriously about the phrase "This is a
HOBBY people." It's not "just" a hobby, although there are many things that
you might do with Amateur Radio that don't focus on the above points. The
above points are the "reason" why the FCC
I don't think that's what Kevin meant. But sooner or later it had to happen
on the Literalnet. Maybe some people should get outside a bit more and get a
life.
73 Mike K5TRI
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 04:07:36 +0000
From: B J <va6bmj@xxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Antennas For AO-7 Mode A
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
I'm looking for a suitable antenna that I can use to operate over AO-7 in
mode A . The main requirement that it be hand-held.
I've looked on the Internet and, so far, I haven't found any off-the-shelf
antennas. I did, however, find several websites that have instructions for
home-brew designs but none were specifically for mode A.
One possibility that occurred to me is to combine 2 different types, such as
an eggbeater for 2 m and a hand-held HF loop for 10 m. One drawback that I
see for this arrangement is that it might be too big or too heavy for it to
be practical as a hand-held unit.
Does anyone know of a commercially available mode A antenna suitable for
hand-held operation or know of a home-brew design for one?
Thank you.
73s
Bernhard VA6BMJ @ DO33FL
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 21:55:56 -0700
From: "Art McBride" <kc6uqh@xxx.xxx>
To: <w5ggw@xxxxxxxx.xxx>, "'Kevin Deane'" <summit496@xxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: This Is a HOBBY people
Message-ID: <1F66234C50494BE995652D94BD72EB5F@xxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Greg,
It is the Amateur Radio Service. It does have 5 purposes as quoted in Part
97.1
If you buy supplies and work on something you enjoy doing it is called a
hobby.
If you do it to establish a business we call it work.
We are Amateurs because we receive no compensation for our efforts, not
because we are unprofessional.
So where is the conflict?
Politicians are famous for finding the facts to support their conclusions.
I prefer to have all of the cards on the table.
Art,
KC6QUH
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Gregg Wonderly
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 5:42 PM
To: Kevin Deane
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: This Is a HOBBY people
97.1 Basis and purpose.-
The rules and regulations in this Part are designed to provide an amateur
radio
service having a fundamental purpose as expressed in the following
principles:
(a) Recognition and enhancement of the value of the amateur service to the
public as a voluntary noncommercial communication service, particularly with
respect to providing emergency communications.
(b) Continuation and extension of the amateur's proven ability to contribute
to
the advancement of the radio art.
(c) Encouragement and improvement of the amateur service through rules which
provide for advancing skills in both the communications and technical phases
of
the art.
(d) Expansion of the existing reservoir within the amateur radio service of
trained operators, technicians, and electronics experts.
(e) Continuation and extension of the amateur's unique ability to enhance
international goodwill.
None of these items say "this is a hobby" nor do they allude to "just having
fun." I am not trying to say that its just serious in nature, but there is
a
considerable amount of personal responsibility and focused effort implied by
the
above points. Think seriously about the phrase "This is a HOBBY people."
It's
not "just" a hobby, although there are many things that you might do with
Amateur Radio that don't focus on the above points. The above points are
the
"reason" why the FCC lets you have a license and allows us to use the
frequencies. If we don't focus on fulfilling the responsibilities and
charter
of these points with some effort, we are just riding on the heals of the
hard
work of others, who do, in fact, have these things at the forefront of their
efforts to do good things with Amateur Radio.
We need to have discussions and we need to focus on the things that do have
meaning related to the 5 points above.
Gregg Wonderly
W5GGW
On 10/23/2011 3:33 PM, Kevin Deane wrote:
>
> As much as I enjoy the banter, animosity and sometimes really brilliant
posts, I want to remind everyone that this is a HOBBY!
>
> Amateur Radio.
>
> Shut up and have fun, some of you take this WAY TO SERIOUSLY.
>
> Kevin
> KF7MYK
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 18:28:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Andy Kellner <hawat1@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Why should we support AMSAT?
Message-ID:
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"They also are not learning the political skills that they
will need to have to survive in the corporate world, where career success
depends more on how you suck up to authority than on your ability to design or
build anything."
Well said Daniel. Working in the aerospace industry for a number of years I
sadly can confirm that this is true.
I also agree with your comment on the 'baby-monitor in space' approach.
Teachers and Students all to often look for the easy way out / do not
do appropriate research and end up with half-baked? / restricted /
non-working solutions. Taking more time and breaking the project down in
more autonomous work-units, with the collaboration of all efforts at the end
would probably yield better and more satisfying results
for Students and Educators (i.e. voice / repeater function instead of CW
Telemetry from yet another beepbox).
I just wonder if AMSAT and some University (MIT or Standford, whatever...)
ever considered doing a project together ? Or is ARRISAT considered such a
thing ? The Ham community could provide the engineering, knowledge and
'old-school' approach on building a proper satellite, while the Universities
could provide fresh ideas, man-power, facilities and funds, while learning a
great deal. Or is this a big no-no due to conflict of interest or something
? AMSAT is non-for profit, so that shouldn't be a problem.
Andreas - VK4HHH
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From: Daniel Schultz <n8fgv@xxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Sent: Monday, 24 October 2011 10:13 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Why should we support AMSAT?
Stefan,
I wasn't trying to diminish the students, but I have worked with a student
satellite project where they literally took a chip maker's application note
for a baby monitor or cordless telephone transmitter and made a satellite
transmitter out of it, and it didn't work on orbit.
I appreciate the students energy and enthusiasm, but in some cases they do
have much to learn about RF. I also remember how valuable my amateur radio
background was to me when I was an engineering student, when some of my
classmates couldn't even read the color bands on a resistor and had no idea
how the theory that we were studying was applied to real world applications.
I am also concerned about whether the students are receiving the right kind of
experience to prepare them for the aerospace industry. They get to make all
the design decisions and direct their entire project, but when they are hired
by Lockheed Martin or some other large aerospace company they will be doing
mind numbing paperwork and will have little power to make engineering
decisions, particularly on government contracts. I also know about this from
years of experience. They also are not learning the political skills that they
will need to have to survive in the corporate world, where career success
depends more on how you suck up to authority than on your ability to design or
build anything.
I am not diminishing the students, I love the students and want them to
succeed better than I did, but I have much experience, not all of it positive,
that I feel I should share with them during their formative years.
Dan
------ Original Message ------
Received: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 09:18:48 AM EDT
From: Stefan Wagener <wageners@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Daniel Schultz <n8fgv@xxx.xxx>Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Why should we support AMSAT?
> Hi Dan,
>
> You have some good points and your thoughts are appreciated. But why
> are you diminishing the students efforts by making these statements:
>
> At least they are building, studying, learning and actually many times
> successfully have an operational satellite.
>
> Thanks for reading.
>
> Stefan, VE4NSA
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Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 23:41:07 -0500
From: R Oler <orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: <n8fgv@xxx.xxx>, Amsat BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Why should we support AMSAT?
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> Dan Schultz N8FGV
>
Sorry neither the quote from JFK (no matter how stirring it is) nor the
notion of AMSAT paring up with the folks at universities who make the bleep
sats makes much sense to the debate on Amateur radio satellites.
We did go to the Moon because it was hard, we went we did it and then we
stopped very fast...why? Other then it was hard there was no reason to keep
on doing it. There is no reason or reasons today other then really made up
ones (the Chinese are going, national greatness, etc). Watch how silent the
American people were when Constellation was cancelled...no one cared.
(unless you worked in the space business)
As for Universities paring with the new digital transponder. Good luck.
Ignoring the actual results of Suitsat 2...the reality is that most cubesats
dont have the power to do the transponder AND anything else...and second
building the entire package "from data sheets" is a lot about what the
project is done for.
Debates like this (and its spin offs) occur whenever morale is low. Robert
G. Oler WB5MZO life member AMSAT ARRL NARS
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