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Today's Topics:
1. Re: AO-51 pass at 22:06 UTC 2011-10-01 (Omar Alvarez)
2. Re: AO-51 pass at 22:06 UTC 2011-10-01 (Dave Webb KB1PVH)
3. Re: AO-51 pass at 22:06 UTC 2011-10-01 (Clayton Coleman W5PFG)
4. Re: AO-51 pass at 22:06 UTC 2011-10-01 (Michael Schulz)
5. Re: AO-51 pass at 22:06 UTC 2011-10-01 (Jeffrey Koehler)
6. Re: AO-51 pass at 22:06 UTC 2011-10-01 (Bruce Paige)
7. Re: AO-51 pass at 22:06 UTC 2011-10-01 (Clayton Coleman W5PFG)
8. Re: AO-51 pass at 22:06 UTC 2011-10-01
(Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
9. Re: VY1RM VO-52, 1000th grid worked
(Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
10. Re: AO-51 pass at 22:06 UTC 2011-10-01 (N0JY)
11. Re: AO-51 pass at 22:06 UTC 2011-10-01 (K5OE)
12. Re: AO-51 pass at 22:06 UTC 2011-10-01 (Michael Schulz)
13. Ham Sats Dead? (Clint Bradford)
14. Hearing AO-51 (Paul Delaney - K6HR)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 06:29:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Omar Alvarez <xe1aom@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Ted <k7trkradio@xxxxxxx.xxx>, "AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxxx
<AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 pass at 22:06 UTC 2011-10-01
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Thanks for the answers and comments, SSB satellites are a good solution when
you invited someone to give a new grid, I did it (LU6QI), but sometimes in
FM SAts appears a good o missed grid I you can?t get it because same
stations, every orbit, are saying hello all day passes....
Well, my contribution is not be like that stations to avoid increase this
problem... just was my opinion, not a rule to apply in SATs.
Hope to be soon in DK78.... interested ?????
Omar
XE1AO
DK89df
?
********************************
M.C. Omar Alvarez C?rdenas
Facultad de Telematica, U de C
316 1075
xe1aom@xxxx.xx
omar_ac@xxxxxxx.xxx
********************************
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 09:56:52 -0400
From: Dave Webb KB1PVH <kb1pvh@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Jeffrey Koehler <jeffk13057@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 pass at 22:06 UTC 2011-10-01
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Jeff,
Instead of complaining here on the BB, why don't you email the stations that
are doing it and offer some suggestions to improve their operating practices
and maybe point them to John K8YSE's website. You might be surprised at the
response you get (in a good way)
Dave - KB1PVH
Sent from my Verizon Wireless DROID X
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 08:56:54 -0500
From: Clayton Coleman W5PFG <kayakfishtx@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxxx <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 pass at 22:06 UTC 2011-10-01
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Since I am relatively ?green? myself to FM satellite rover operation,
I will share an observation from a recent grid expedition in West
Texas. I?ve observed a behavior that I refer to as ?Armageddon grid.?
This means the rover operator is activating a grid for the last time
before the world meets a fiery demise and doesn't know it until he
gives his call and grid square.
This is an overview of an Armageddon grid activation:
1. Rover station calls one of his friends or scheduled contact.
2. Up to five stations immediately call the rover station in rapid
procession, not allowing a millisecond between calls for anyone to
answer. Never mind the opportunity of the rover?s original station
called establishing contact.
3. At this point, the rover station tries to complete his original
call (if/when the dust settles.)
4. Typically what occurs is step 2-3 wind up in a loop for a period of
2-3 minutes thus effectively reducing the usable time for other
stations to make contact on the pass by one-third or more.
If operators would not treat working a rare grid as if the world is
coming to an end immediately after the pass, I believe rover stations
would have a much more pleasant time handing out new grids.
If you miss that desired grid today, doesn?t that leave opportunity
for you to work it on another day?
73
Clayton
W5PFG
On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 5:25 PM, Omar Alvarez <xe1aom@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> What a shame this pass, just a few QSOs can be finished because all
calling others without give a chance the complete the current QSO.
> What we need to fix that?....
>
>
> I will wait for a better pass.
>
> Have a nice weekend.
>
> Omar
> XE1AO
> DK89df
>
>
> ********************************
> M.C. Omar Alvarez C?rdenas
> Facultad de Telematica, U de C
> 316 1075
> xe1aom@xxxx.xx
> omar_ac@xxxxxxx.xxx
> ********************************
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 09:08:58 -0500
From: Michael Schulz <mschulz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: Clayton Coleman W5PFG <kayakfishtx@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: "AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxxx <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 pass at 22:06 UTC 2011-10-01
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Clayton,
On Sun, 2011-10-02 at 08:56 -0500, Clayton Coleman W5PFG wrote:
> If operators would not treat working a rare grid as if the world is
> coming to an end immediately after the pass, I believe rover stations
> would have a much more pleasant time handing out new grids.
>
> If you miss that desired grid today, doesn?t that leave opportunity
> for you to work it on another day?
You totally miss the point here. This is MY satellite and if I want to
work YOU on that pass I will do WHATEVER it takes. I usually run 100W
up to AO-51 anyways to make sure everybody hears ME! If that's not
sufficient, ok .. let's bring the 1KW brick. No problem. The world is
ending, we all know that already so I need to make sure that I get all
the grids right now and here. The time YOU spent typing this email you
could've already gotten in your friggin car and driven out to a new one
for ME to work you. Clayton, Clayton .. we have to work on this slacker
attitude of yours. Tsts ...
Just my $23
73 Mike K5TRI
p.s.: For the ironically challenged, this was irony. I don't run 1KW up
to any satellite as everybody knows it's not enough.
p.p.s.: Ups, I did it again :)
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 07:30:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeffrey Koehler <jeffk13057@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Dave Webb KB1PVH <kb1pvh@xxxxx.xxx>, "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx "
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>, "mschulz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx
<mschulz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 pass at 22:06 UTC 2011-10-01
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Dave...
I've actually done that. Of the valid email addresses on QRZ.com (some were
bounced back due to invalid addresses) I got one reply, which I can't
republish here due to the "tone" used by the author.
The kicker is that I heard someone that actually received an email from me a
couple of weeks ago and apparently the advice was ignored. It gets
monotonous after a while, trying to have a QSO and getting stepped on.
73, Jeff WB2SYK
________________________________
From: Dave Webb KB1PVH <kb1pvh@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Jeffrey Koehler <jeffk13057@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>; Michael Schulz
<mschulz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2011 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 pass at 22:06 UTC 2011-10-01
Jeff,
Instead of complaining here on the BB, why don't you email the stations that
are doing it and offer some suggestions to improve their operating practices
and maybe point them to John K8YSE's website. You might be surprised at the
response you get (in a good way)
Dave - KB1PVH
Sent from my Verizon Wireless DROID X
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 07:50:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bruce Paige <kk5do@xxx.xxx>
To: Clayton Coleman W5PFG <kayakfishtx@xxxxx.xxx>,
"AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxxx <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 pass at 22:06 UTC 2011-10-01
Message-ID:
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I know that everyone that has roved has had a similar problem. Here is the
way I
used to handle the problem.
First, when the satellite came up, I would listen for all the stations I could
hear and write them down.
Then I would put my call out there with the grid, those that wanted me, knew I
was in a rare grid.
Anyone that called me back, I put a check mark next to their call
When they stopped calling, I would say, "xy1xy, ve1a, ke5a, le5a, i have you,
any others"
Then I would listen and write down all that I heard call me and go back with
the
next list of those I had heard.
Obviously, this is a modified form of a two-way QSO because for a QSO to take
place you must hear them and they must hear you. Since I wrote down their
calls
and gave it back and they called me and said they wanted a contact, we had a
two-way. Just not a two-way by itself, it was interrupted by many others.
I found this method to be the most efficient way to give out a rare grid
square
to the most without spending a lot of time. And, if after giving out the list
the first time of who you heard, you have not heard your original friend, I
would call him then. All those that you acknowledged will now be silent
because
they know they are in the log.
Sometimes we have to modify things for the situation.
73...bruce
________________________________
From: Clayton Coleman W5PFG <kayakfishtx@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxxx <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Sun, October 2, 2011 8:56:54 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 pass at 22:06 UTC 2011-10-01
Since I am relatively ?green? myself to FM satellite rover operation,
I will share an observation from a recent grid expedition in West
Texas. I?ve observed a behavior that I refer to as ?Armageddon grid.?
This means the rover operator is activating a grid for the last time
before the world meets a fiery demise and doesn't know it until he
gives his call and grid square.
This is an overview of an Armageddon grid activation:
1. Rover station calls one of his friends or scheduled contact.
2. Up to five stations immediately call the rover station in rapid
procession, not allowing a millisecond between calls for anyone to
answer. Never mind the opportunity of the rover?s original station
called establishing contact.
3. At this point, the rover station tries to complete his original
call (if/when the dust settles.)
4. Typically what occurs is step 2-3 wind up in a loop for a period of
2-3 minutes thus effectively reducing the usable time for other
stations to make contact on the pass by one-third or more.
If operators would not treat working a rare grid as if the world is
coming to an end immediately after the pass, I believe rover stations
would have a much more pleasant time handing out new grids.
If you miss that desired grid today, doesn?t that leave opportunity
for you to work it on another day?
73
Clayton
W5PFG
On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 5:25 PM, Omar Alvarez <xe1aom@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> What a shame this pass, just a few QSOs can be finished because all calling
>others without give a chance the complete the current QSO.
> What we need to fix that?....
>
>
> I will wait for a better pass.
>
> Have a nice weekend.
>
> Omar
> XE1AO
> DK89df
>
>
> ********************************
> M.C. Omar Alvarez C?rdenas
> Facultad de Telematica, U de C
> 316 1075
> xe1aom@xxxx.xx
> omar_ac@xxxxxxx.xxx
> ********************************
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 09:56:22 -0500
From: Clayton Coleman W5PFG <kayakfishtx@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Michael Schulz <mschulz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>, "AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxxx
<AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 pass at 22:06 UTC 2011-10-01
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Mike,
You convinced me. Next week when I'm in EL29, I will run as much power
as I can to make sure you get that grid, being as it is so rare. Even
if other stations want to work me, I will bust through them with my
super-rover antenna array just so we can make contact.
Thanks for setting me straight!
/sarcasm off.
73
Clayton
On 10/2/11, Michael Schulz <mschulz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> Clayton,
>
> On Sun, 2011-10-02 at 08:56 -0500, Clayton Coleman W5PFG wrote:
>
>> If operators would not treat working a rare grid as if the world is
>> coming to an end immediately after the pass, I believe rover stations
>> would have a much more pleasant time handing out new grids.
>>
>> If you miss that desired grid today, doesn?t that leave opportunity
>> for you to work it on another day?
>
> You totally miss the point here. This is MY satellite and if I want to
> work YOU on that pass I will do WHATEVER it takes. I usually run 100W
> up to AO-51 anyways to make sure everybody hears ME! If that's not
> sufficient, ok .. let's bring the 1KW brick. No problem. The world is
> ending, we all know that already so I need to make sure that I get all
> the grids right now and here. The time YOU spent typing this email you
> could've already gotten in your friggin car and driven out to a new one
> for ME to work you. Clayton, Clayton .. we have to work on this slacker
> attitude of yours. Tsts ...
>
> Just my $23
>
> 73 Mike K5TRI
>
> p.s.: For the ironically challenged, this was irony. I don't run 1KW up
> to any satellite as everybody knows it's not enough.
>
> p.p.s.: Ups, I did it again :)
>
>
--
Sent from my mobile device
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 08:19:35 -0700
From: "Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)" <amsat-bb@xxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 pass at 22:06 UTC 2011-10-01
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Hi Clayton!
> Since I am relatively ?green? myself to FM satellite rover operation,
I've been reading your recent grid-expedition exploits here on
the -BB. Hope to catch you on from some of those places in
the near future.
> I will share an observation from a recent grid expedition in West
> Texas. ?I?ve observed a behavior that I refer to as ?Armageddon grid.?
> ?This means the rover operator is activating a grid for the last time
> before the world meets a fiery demise and doesn't know it until he
> gives his call and grid square.
>
> <snip>
>
> If you miss that desired grid today, doesn?t that leave opportunity
> for you to work it on another day?
Most who operate from the rare grids are already aware of the
rareness of the grid(s). This is why the operators are on from there
much of the time. Beyond the constant wall of callers who do not
allow a gap for the station in the rare grid(s) to respond, it is entirely
possible that the station won't be on from that grid again. Whether
it is a shipborne station who will be in another grid after that pass
or someone on a road trip who can't stay in that grid for whatever
reason (travel schedule, weather, etc.), that is why it sometimes
sounds like what you describe.
I can go over the list of 60 grids I have worked from over the past
few years, and there are at least 10 that have not been on the air
since my trip(s) to them. Add in the new operators who were not
on the air before, and there could be a large crowd trying to work
that rare grid. It does *not* justify poor operating procedure by
those trying to make that QSO. Just be ready to deal with it,
with a good station and your good operating procedure.
Now, time to get ready for an upcoming VO-52 pass from the back
yard... :-)
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 08:24:21 -0700
From: "Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)" <amsat-bb@xxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: VY1RM VO-52, 1000th grid worked
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Hi John!
> It is difficult for me to believe that there
> have been 1000 grids active in the last 5 years.
> When I first started in satellites I thought two or
> three hundred grids would be about it, but many things
> happened to move that estimate up. Last night I worked
> VY1RM in the Yukon for grid number 1000 with VO-52 at
> 2-3 degrees.
Congratulations on reaching the 1000-grid mark!
> This total would not have been possible had it not
> been for the many who have gone to grids away from
> their home comfort zone and operated on the birds,
> sometimes under very difficult conditions. ?I thought
> it might be interesting to create a listing of those
> who have given me more than one NEW grid. ?Many have
> also operated in multiple grids that I already had.
> This list does not reflect the many who have given
> others NEW grids over the past five years.
>
> <snip>
Thanks for the compliment. Other than my trip to Australia
a few months ago, I know that I'll hear you on from anywhere
I go in North America. Some times I'm in a new grid for your
log, and other times you're working me just to say "hello" and
add another QSO to my log.
Now you can keep working toward having 1000 confirmed
grids via satellite..... :-)
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 10:48:52 -0500
From: N0JY <n0jy@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 pass at 22:06 UTC 2011-10-01
Message-ID: <4E8887E4.5060802@xxxxxxx.xxx>
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An interesting account, Clayton. It reminds me of my shipboard contact
with my ham radio club back in 2008. We had a contact on AO-51
scheduled, and at the appointed time I gave my call (between the current
QSOs) and a handful of stations answered, I asked them to please stand
by while I completed the scheduled contact and they were quite nice and
did so. As soon as I finished the contact with the club I asked for the
others and the contacts were fast and furious but really quite orderly.
Whether that is testament to the perhaps fewer ops on AO-51 back then,
or the courtesy of the operators, could probably be argued. I believe
it was the latter, and coupled with the fact that there were fewer
stations that could not hear the satellite, trying to call it anyway
(which seems more common these days, just my observation) made it work.
Being a "rare" grid (FL66) at the time everybody wanted to work, but a
lot more people got to work because everybody was courteous and waited
for the short QSO exchange to be completed. Even though my callsign
VP9/N0JY/MM felt like about a 10 second mouthful... :-)
My summary thought is the same as yours: If I don't work this
station/grid right now, is it really the end of the world? A growing
number of people (good ops) have satellite VUCC. And I probably wasn't
planning on selling or throwing away my Arrow and HT (or home satellite
station) 10 minutes after the contact opportunity, so since that guy is
on a ship nowhere near land I'll bet he'll be out there on the air again
when the satellite is in view of that area if he had a pleasant
experience the first time. Or, if someone drove out to Armageddon Grid,
if I really really need THAT grid, I'll bet someone will do it again if
they had a pleasant experience the first time! It's all about the
pleasant experience, the fact that the op is out there in the middle of
nowhere is because they ENJOY doing that!
73,
Jerry
N0JY
On 10/2/2011 8:56 AM, Clayton Coleman W5PFG wrote:
> Since I am relatively ?green? myself to FM satellite rover operation,
> I will share an observation from a recent grid expedition in West
> Texas. I?ve observed a behavior that I refer to as ?Armageddon grid.?
> This means the rover operator is activating a grid for the last time
> before the world meets a fiery demise and doesn't know it until he
> gives his call and grid square.
>
> This is an overview of an Armageddon grid activation:
>
> 1. Rover station calls one of his friends or scheduled contact.
>
> 2. Up to five stations immediately call the rover station in rapid
> procession, not allowing a millisecond between calls for anyone to
> answer. Never mind the opportunity of the rover?s original station
> called establishing contact.
>
> 3. At this point, the rover station tries to complete his original
> call (if/when the dust settles.)
>
> 4. Typically what occurs is step 2-3 wind up in a loop for a period of
> 2-3 minutes thus effectively reducing the usable time for other
> stations to make contact on the pass by one-third or more.
>
> If operators would not treat working a rare grid as if the world is
> coming to an end immediately after the pass, I believe rover stations
> would have a much more pleasant time handing out new grids.
>
> If you miss that desired grid today, doesn?t that leave opportunity
> for you to work it on another day?
>
> 73
> Clayton
> W5PFG
>
>
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 12:15:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: K5OE <k5oe@xxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 pass at 22:06 UTC 2011-10-01
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Mike, K5TRI, writes:
> p.s.: For the ironically challenged, this was irony. I don't run 1KW up
> to any satellite as everybody knows it's not enough.
Apparently, not even for FO-29 any more. That's a shame to, because I
always had a nice signal on FO-29 when I ran the 1 KW amp.
73,
Jerry, K5OE
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 11:18:28 -0500
From: Michael Schulz <mschulz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: K5OE <k5oe@xxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 pass at 22:06 UTC 2011-10-01
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HA! Now we know who broke it :)
73 Mike
On Oct 2, 2011, at 11:15 AM, K5OE wrote:
>
> Mike, K5TRI, writes:
>> p.s.: For the ironically challenged, this was irony. I don't run 1KW up
>> to any satellite as everybody knows it's not enough.
>
> Apparently, not even for FO-29 any more. That's a shame to, because I
always had a nice signal on FO-29 when I ran the 1 KW amp.
>
> 73,
> Jerry, K5OE
>
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 10:29:59 -0700
From: Clint Bradford <clintbradford@xxx.xxx>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Ham Sats Dead?
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In another forum, an unenlightened ham made the following allegation. Sorry,
folks -
I just cannot let this type of nonsense go unanswered ... (grin)
ELSEWHERE >> ... I'm sure but the amateur satellite service is on life
support right
now ... things like the ARISSAT are just a novelty ...
I am proud to report that NO, this aspect of the hobby is by no means "dead"
nor dying.
We received more than 100 applications for ARISS school-to-ISS contacts for
the first
part of next year. That means there's 100 school principals and 200 teachers
who are
interested - and their enthusiasm is transmitted (pun intended) to their
students,
numbering in the thousands. SO, there ARE educators and school children
receiving
information and whose lesson plans include amateur radio and the ISS.
This is important. Those who demean projects like ARISSat-1 are not
educators. This
project alone has stimulated the minds of hundreds of thousands of school
children
around the planet - through the work of teachers. There's PLENTY to be
taught and
learned from such a project - and it IS being taught.
One of the two popular study guides for amateur radio licensing - the
"2010-2014
Technician Class by Gordon West" - has a sidebar with satelllite-related
links for
further information. Heck, Gordo ran a Technician class yesterday to a
standing-
room-only crowd, and he made his traditional "test call" on a local repeater
... I
happened to be on the air, answered him, and gave those soon-to-be-hams a plug
for working the satellites ...
Of course we would like another high-altitude bird. It takes money. 99.999% of
those who demean current AMSAT projects don't give a cent to AMSAT. The
wildly-successful-by-ANYone's-standards AO-51 project cost approximately $500K
to build, plus another $110K to launch. As a testament to how well that sat
was
engineered, it is continuing to transmit at 800mW+ the past two months - with
one battery cell dead and another at 0.1V. It continues to be included in
school
lesson plans, as well as public demonstrations, Field Days, JOTA and Scout
activities,
and it's there for just you and me to step outside a few times a week and
work with
a Watt or two ...
My bottom line? Folks who claim that this aspect of the hobby is "dead" or
"dying"
might be correct, in that for them in their small circles, they may not be
excited
with the current satellite projects. But in reality, the existing LEOs are
wonderful
teaching tools - being taught about and studied and appreciated - in
classrooms
and presentation rooms and hamfests and conventions and parking lots and
public
parks - across the planet.
Donate to AMSAT. Today. Be a part of the future of the amateur satellite
program.
Amend your will, and include AMSAT-NA in your estate - there's a method to
donate
that doesn't "hurt" a bit. And volunteer to give a demo at your local middle
school
or high school. Be a part of the educational process - see how YOU can bring
excitement to a classroom of future hams.
OR, just sit back and without knowledge of reality declare "Ham sats are
dead,"
in public message forums.
The choice is yours.
Clint Bradford, K6LCS
NASA / ARISS school technical support volunteer
AMSAT area coordinator
909-241-7666
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 11:21:00 -0700
From: "Paul Delaney - K6HR" <paul.hamradio@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Hearing AO-51
Message-ID: <D2A6DBC8B89F4C348284F9CD8E7E79E7@xxxxxxx>
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Should I be able to hear AO-51 using an eggbeater with no preamp?.
I can hear VO-52 just fine but have not heard AO-51at all, so I have to
wonder why. I'm listening on 435.15. Perhaps the sat is not active while
over DM03? Or am I kidding myself thinking I should be able to hear it
without a preamp? I realize the VO-52 downlink is 2m as opposed to the 70cm
AO-51 downlink. I'm having my preamps repaired but until then I could use
some advice/opinions.
Paul Delaney - K6HR
http://k6hr.dyndns.org:8080
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