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Today's Topics:
1. Two Questions (Thomas Doyle)
2. Re: Two Questions (Trevor .)
3. PCSAT32 -Doppler.SQF (Rob Styles)
4. Reverse VUCC Award Standings Updated for Satellites (John Papay)
5. Re: Two Questions (Ted)
6. Re: Two Questions (Ted)
7. Re: Reverse VUCC Award Standings Updated for Satellites
(Jim Bennett)
8. Cali Grids (Kevin Deane)
9. Re: Two Questions (Joe)
10. Re: Two Questions (Michael Schulz)
11. How about DM 6,7,8 (Kevin Deane)
12. Re: Two Questions (i8cvs)
13. Re: Two Questions (Michael Schulz)
14. Re: Two Questions (i8cvs)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 14:02:22 -0500
From: Thomas Doyle <tomdoyle1948@xxxxx.xxx>
To: AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Two Questions
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I have two questions that I have wondered about for quite a while.
There was a gap in my satellite activity of 20 years or so. AO-10 was the
last satellite I used a lot.
Not sure what sparked my interest again but I have been having a great time
on the satellites.
Right from the beginning I noticed that things have changed a lot. I have
made about 70 contacts
on CW, SSB and FM. Most of the contacts have been on FM.
Question 1 relates to activity levels. I have 270 something countries on HF
so I have been in my
share of DX pileups. What I find really strange is how there will be the
usual horrific pile up on AO-51
and then when an FO-29 pass comes a short time later there will usually be
no one on. I realize the
emphasis is all on "keeping it simple" but wonder how this change occurred.
Did it happen all at
once - did it happen when the last HEO satellite died. Are the linear sats
too complicated. Do people
not have SSB and CW equipment or are they just not interested anymore.
Question 2 relates to the rest of the world. I notice that FO-29, which
seems to be the best linear
satellite, came from Japan. What is activity like in Japan/Europe and the
rest of the world outside
the US. Is it mostly just FM on V/U sats. I believe the current US effort is
an FM only Fox with a
linear sat in the "2015 time frame". Since the FO-29 activity is almost zero
it would see strange to
put up another US linear sat at any time. As old as I am the "2015 time
frame" might be beyond
my chicken little date so I wonder if there are there any LEO linear sats in
the works in other parts
of the world.
I am not complaining I just wonder what happened and what the future holds.
Feel free to reply
directly.
73 W9KE tom ... AMSAT LM 0875
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 20:37:58 +0100 (BST)
From: "Trevor ." <m5aka@xxxxx.xx.xx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Two Questions
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> the "2015 time frame" might be beyond my chicken little date
> so I wonder if there are there any LEO linear sats in the works
> in other parts of the world.
AMSAT-ZL are working on a 435/145 MHz linear transponder sat, see
http://www.kiwisat.org/
AMSAT-UK are developing FUNcube-1 with a 435/145 linear transponder and
supplying a set of FUNcube boards (with transponder) for the UK Space Agency
satellite UKUBE-1 slated for launch in 2012.
73 Trevor M5AKA
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 21:02:07 +0100
From: Rob Styles <m0tfo@xxxxx.xx.xx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] PCSAT32 -Doppler.SQF
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In the process of reading the manual for PCSAT32 but it would be
nice to have up to date Doppler.sqf file until I i get around to changing my
own
, so If your willing to send me you file,thanks in advance
send to m0tfo@xxxxx.xx.xx
Rob
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 17:12:48 -0400
From: John Papay <john@xxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Reverse VUCC Award Standings Updated for
Satellites
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The Central States VHF Society has just updated
their website to reflect applications for VUCC-r,
Reverse VUCC, filed some time ago.
http://www.csvhfs.org
This award is given to those who have operated via satellites
in more than 100 grids away from their home grid. There
are now four operators who have achieved this distinction.
They are N7SFI-200 grids, N5AFV-109 grids, ND9M-325 grids,
and KD4ZGW-100 grids.
The rules require that applicants submit proof of contacts made
from these away from home grids. So if you work someone signing
"portable" (meaning they are operating away from home), please
remember to include your grid as well as the grid they were
operating from on your qsl. This will provide the proof of contact
required by the Central States VHF Society.
Congratulations to all of these operators and especially to the
newest additions to the list, Jim ND9M and Rob KD4ZGW. Well done!
73,
John K8YSE
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 15:50:26 -0700
From: "Ted" <k7trkradio@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "'Thomas Doyle'" <tomdoyle1948@xxxxx.xxx>, <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Two Questions
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"Are the linear sats too complicated? Do people not have SSB and CW
equipment or are they just not interested anymore."
Tom, speaking only for me, I have tried several times to work a linear. I
have a TS 2000 with the sat function and HRD sat program which allegedly
adjust the Doppler, 2m/440 SSB and a Elk on a rotor w/fixed el.. Try as I
might, I cannot get the tx and rx to match so I can duplex.
There just does not seem to be single primer that one can follow on how to
accomplish the process. There are multiple opinions from individuals, but
not much of a consensus on a good standard process. Admittedly, I have
problem not given a fair amount of time on my technique as I was
concentrating on VUCC. Now that that will go to the card checker tomorrow, I
need to spend some time on the linear. I just wish there was a 'manual'
73, Ted
K7TRK
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Thomas Doyle
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 12:02 PM
To: AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Two Questions
I have two questions that I have wondered about for quite a while.
There was a gap in my satellite activity of 20 years or so. AO-10 was the
last satellite I used a lot.
Not sure what sparked my interest again but I have been having a great time
on the satellites.
Right from the beginning I noticed that things have changed a lot. I have
made about 70 contacts
on CW, SSB and FM. Most of the contacts have been on FM.
Question 1 relates to activity levels. I have 270 something countries on HF
so I have been in my
share of DX pileups. What I find really strange is how there will be the
usual horrific pile up on AO-51
and then when an FO-29 pass comes a short time later there will usually be
no one on. I realize the
emphasis is all on "keeping it simple" but wonder how this change occurred.
Did it happen all at
once - did it happen when the last HEO satellite died. Are the linear sats
too complicated. Do people
not have SSB and CW equipment or are they just not interested anymore.
Question 2 relates to the rest of the world. I notice that FO-29, which
seems to be the best linear
satellite, came from Japan. What is activity like in Japan/Europe and the
rest of the world outside
the US. Is it mostly just FM on V/U sats. I believe the current US effort is
an FM only Fox with a
linear sat in the "2015 time frame". Since the FO-29 activity is almost zero
it would see strange to
put up another US linear sat at any time. As old as I am the "2015 time
frame" might be beyond
my chicken little date so I wonder if there are there any LEO linear sats in
the works in other parts
of the world.
I am not complaining I just wonder what happened and what the future holds.
Feel free to reply
directly.
73 W9KE tom ... AMSAT LM 0875
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 16:43:35 -0700
From: "Ted" <k7trkradio@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: <kq6ea@xxxxxxx.xxx>, <tomdoyle1948@xxxxx.xxx>,
<AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Two Questions
Message-ID: <550C350853964CD3A12F6E4E2E6F9DEE@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
A statement/opinion like that is worthless without some solid data. You
can't just malign the guy. Simon says he used David Taylor's open source
satellite-tracking library to get started and wrote his own library, shipped
as a dll with HRD and based on NORAD SGP4/SDP4 implementations by Michael F.
Henry. I don't have a clue what all that means but it sounds like Simon's
program was not just cobbled together.
SATPC32 looks to me like an 80's dos program. Very unattractive.
It is not logical to state that 'Everybody' in the entire sat community has
problems with HRD's Doppler.
I want more proof
K7TRK
_____
From: kq6ea@xxxxxxx.xxx [mailto:kq6ea@xxxxxxx.xxxx
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 4:23 PM
To: k7trkradio@xxxxxxx.xxxx tomdoyle1948@xxxxx.xxxx AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: Two Questions
try SatPC32.
*Everybody* I know who uses HRD has problems with the Doppler correction.
Jim KQ6EA
On 09/22/11, Ted<k7trkradio@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
"Are the linear sats too complicated? Do people not have SSB and CW
equipment or are they just not interested anymore."
Tom, speaking only for me, I have tried several times to work a linear. I
have a TS 2000 with the sat function and HRD sat program which allegedly
adjust the Doppler, 2m/440 SSB and a Elk on a rotor w/fixed el.. Try as I
might, I cannot get the tx and rx to match so I can duplex.
There just does not seem to be single primer that one can follow on how to
accomplish the process. There are multiple opinions from individuals, but
not much of a consensus on a good standard process. Admittedly, I have
problem not given a fair amount of time on my technique as I was
concentrating on VUCC. Now that that will go to the card checker tomorrow, I
need to spend some time on the linear. I just wish there was a 'manual'
73, Ted
K7TRK
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Thomas Doyle
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 12:02 PM
To: AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Two Questions
I have two questions that I have wondered about for quite a while.
There was a gap in my satellite activity of 20 years or so. AO-10 was the
last satellite I used a lot.
Not sure what sparked my interest again but I have been having a great time
on the satellites.
Right from the beginning I noticed that things have changed a lot. I have
made about 70 contacts
on CW, SSB and FM. Most of the contacts have been on FM.
Question 1 relates to activity levels. I have 270 something countries on HF
so I have been in my
share of DX pileups. What I find really strange is how there will be the
usual horrific pile up on AO-51
and then when an FO-29 pass comes a short time later there will usually be
no one on. I realize the
emphasis is all on "keeping it simple" but wonder how this change occurred.
Did it happen all at
once - did it happen when the last HEO satellite died. Are the linear sats
too complicated. Do people
not have SSB and CW equipment or are they just not interested anymore.
Question 2 relates to the rest of the world. I notice that FO-29, which
seems to be the best linear
satellite, came from Japan. What is activity like in Japan/Europe and the
rest of the world outside
the US. Is it mostly just FM on V/U sats. I believe the current US effort is
an FM only Fox with a
linear sat in the "2015 time frame". Since the FO-29 activity is almost zero
it would see strange to
put up another US linear sat at any time. As old as I am the "2015 time
frame" might be beyond
my chicken little date so I wonder if there are there any LEO linear sats in
the works in other parts
of the world.
I am not complaining I just wonder what happened and what the future holds.
Feel free to reply
directly.
73 W9KE tom ... AMSAT LM 0875
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 20:18:32 -0400
From: "Jim Bennett" <jlb3nn@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "'John Papay'" <john@xxxxxx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Reverse VUCC Award Standings Updated for
Satellites
Message-ID: <5C422B3DEDFA41449CA799E1CE9757BF@xxxx>
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Way to go guys. Congratulations to all of you. If any one needs a card
from me with both grids, drop me a line. I have failed to do in the past,
but will start doing from now on.
73's
Jim
Ke4kol
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of John Papay
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 5:13 PM
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Reverse VUCC Award Standings Updated for Satellites
The Central States VHF Society has just updated
their website to reflect applications for VUCC-r,
Reverse VUCC, filed some time ago.
http://www.csvhfs.org
This award is given to those who have operated via satellites
in more than 100 grids away from their home grid. There
are now four operators who have achieved this distinction.
They are N7SFI-200 grids, N5AFV-109 grids, ND9M-325 grids,
and KD4ZGW-100 grids.
The rules require that applicants submit proof of contacts made
from these away from home grids. So if you work someone signing
"portable" (meaning they are operating away from home), please
remember to include your grid as well as the grid they were
operating from on your qsl. This will provide the proof of contact
required by the Central States VHF Society.
Congratulations to all of these operators and especially to the
newest additions to the list, Jim ND9M and Rob KD4ZGW. Well done!
73,
John K8YSE
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 17:37:51 -0700
From: Kevin Deane <summit496@xxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Cali Grids
Message-ID: <COL107-W2605E132CDE444CF5462CA830F0@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Would anyone be interested in Grids From Placerville Ca to Temecula Ca? I
did not do that good (3 out of 5) on the last trip but practice makes more
better. MOON that spells GRIDS.
CM 96,97,98
DM 13,14
Kevin
KF7MYK
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 19:47:43 -0500
From: Joe <nss@xxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Two Questions
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See Below,
On 9/22/2011 5:50 PM, Ted wrote:
> "Are the linear sats too complicated?
NO!
> Do people not have SSB and CW equipment or are they just not interested
anymore."
That is Hard to say,,
>
> Tom, speaking only for me, I have tried several times to work a linear. I
> have a TS 2000 with the sat function and HRD sat program which allegedly
> adjust the Doppler, 2m/440 SSB and a Elk on a rotor w/fixed el.. Try as I
> might, I cannot get the tx and rx to match so I can duplex.
There is a simple fix to this,, SHUT ALL THAT CRAP OFF! In the 70's we
didn't have anything like that. The flight computer if you were lucky to
have one was a piece of cardboard with a clear plastic overlay to tell
you where the Bird is,
An "Oscar Locator" it was called.
As far as doppler correction,,, we turned the large knob on the front of
the radio, thats our doppler correction system.
>
> There just does not seem to be single primer that one can follow on how to
> accomplish the process. There are multiple opinions from individuals, but
> not much of a consensus on a good standard process. Admittedly, I have
> problem not given a fair amount of time on my technique as I was
> concentrating on VUCC. Now that that will go to the card checker tomorrow, I
> need to spend some time on the linear. I just wish there was a 'manual'
It's called doing it "Manually"
Simple and very effective thousands of hams did it for decades, no
reason it won't work now.
Joe WB9SBD
>
> 73, Ted
> K7TRK
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
> Behalf Of Thomas Doyle
> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 12:02 PM
> To: AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Two Questions
>
> I have two questions that I have wondered about for quite a while.
>
> There was a gap in my satellite activity of 20 years or so. AO-10 was the
> last satellite I used a lot.
> Not sure what sparked my interest again but I have been having a great time
> on the satellites.
> Right from the beginning I noticed that things have changed a lot. I have
> made about 70 contacts
> on CW, SSB and FM. Most of the contacts have been on FM.
>
> Question 1 relates to activity levels. I have 270 something countries on HF
> so I have been in my
> share of DX pileups. What I find really strange is how there will be the
> usual horrific pile up on AO-51
> and then when an FO-29 pass comes a short time later there will usually be
> no one on. I realize the
> emphasis is all on "keeping it simple" but wonder how this change occurred.
> Did it happen all at
> once - did it happen when the last HEO satellite died. Are the linear sats
> too complicated. Do people
> not have SSB and CW equipment or are they just not interested anymore.
>
> Question 2 relates to the rest of the world. I notice that FO-29, which
> seems to be the best linear
> satellite, came from Japan. What is activity like in Japan/Europe and the
> rest of the world outside
> the US. Is it mostly just FM on V/U sats. I believe the current US effort is
> an FM only Fox with a
> linear sat in the "2015 time frame". Since the FO-29 activity is almost zero
> it would see strange to
> put up another US linear sat at any time. As old as I am the "2015 time
> frame" might be beyond
> my chicken little date so I wonder if there are there any LEO linear sats in
> the works in other parts
> of the world.
>
> I am not complaining I just wonder what happened and what the future holds.
> Feel free to reply
> directly.
>
> 73 W9KE tom ... AMSAT LM 0875
>
>
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 19:56:31 -0500
From: Michael Schulz <mschulz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: Ted <k7trkradio@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: AMSAT BB <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Two Questions
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Ted,
As far as working the linear birds goes, you already seem to have the right
gear. I'm working mostly
linear birds with my TS-2000. First question is, can you hear the beacon?
The next question is how
do you use HRD's tracker. If you just select the sat and the transponder and
then expect it to work just
like it does on the FM sats, then we already found your problem.
First set either the uplink or downlink and then try to find your signal
changing either one of them.
Once you have that established you can then adjust your tracking software to
match that and it should
work fine.
I'm not using HRD because I found it not the best solution out there. The
tuning is cumbersome with
those sliders and it had too many times it's own will and was even changing
that during a pass.
I prefer Gpredict which runs on Linux (also Windows but currently no rig
control) and besides it being
open source which allows me to contribute it seems to be a much better
solution. I especially like the
tuning implementation much better.
As for the original post: yes, it can be quite lonely on the linear birds. I
spent this morning 18 minutes on
AO-7 calling CQ with no takers, but then again on other passes there are
several QSOs across. It really
depends. I'd say it's certainly a result of it being much easier and less
resource intensive to work the FM
birds as well as the result of most talking being done about those vs. the
linear ones. The work done by
many folks here on the list who go out and give presentations about working
satellite is great, but if the
talks and websites are only about FM birds (or mostly) then that's the
result. But then again, a linear sat
capable radio can be had for $400 - $500 (FT-736R) if one was really looking
for it.
Just my $0.02
73 Mike K5TRI (who will be on the 1:20UTC pass of VO-52 of course :) ).
On Sep 22, 2011, at 6:43 PM, Ted wrote:
> A statement/opinion like that is worthless without some solid data. You
> can't just malign the guy. Simon says he used David Taylor's open source
> satellite-tracking library to get started and wrote his own library, shipped
> as a dll with HRD and based on NORAD SGP4/SDP4 implementations by Michael F.
> Henry. I don't have a clue what all that means but it sounds like Simon's
> program was not just cobbled together.
>
>
>
> SATPC32 looks to me like an 80's dos program. Very unattractive.
>
>
>
> It is not logical to state that 'Everybody' in the entire sat community has
> problems with HRD's Doppler.
>
>
>
> I want more proof
>
>
>
> K7TRK
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: kq6ea@xxxxxxx.xxx [mailto:kq6ea@xxxxxxx.xxxx
> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 4:23 PM
> To: k7trkradio@xxxxxxx.xxxx tomdoyle1948@xxxxx.xxxx AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: Two Questions
>
>
>
> try SatPC32.
> *Everybody* I know who uses HRD has problems with the Doppler correction.
>
> Jim KQ6EA
>
>
>
>
>
> On 09/22/11, Ted<k7trkradio@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
> "Are the linear sats too complicated? Do people not have SSB and CW
> equipment or are they just not interested anymore."
>
> Tom, speaking only for me, I have tried several times to work a linear. I
> have a TS 2000 with the sat function and HRD sat program which allegedly
> adjust the Doppler, 2m/440 SSB and a Elk on a rotor w/fixed el.. Try as I
> might, I cannot get the tx and rx to match so I can duplex.
>
> There just does not seem to be single primer that one can follow on how to
> accomplish the process. There are multiple opinions from individuals, but
> not much of a consensus on a good standard process. Admittedly, I have
> problem not given a fair amount of time on my technique as I was
> concentrating on VUCC. Now that that will go to the card checker tomorrow, I
> need to spend some time on the linear. I just wish there was a 'manual'
>
> 73, Ted
> K7TRK
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
> Behalf Of Thomas Doyle
> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 12:02 PM
> To: AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Two Questions
>
> I have two questions that I have wondered about for quite a while.
>
> There was a gap in my satellite activity of 20 years or so. AO-10 was the
> last satellite I used a lot.
> Not sure what sparked my interest again but I have been having a great time
> on the satellites.
> Right from the beginning I noticed that things have changed a lot. I have
> made about 70 contacts
> on CW, SSB and FM. Most of the contacts have been on FM.
>
> Question 1 relates to activity levels. I have 270 something countries on HF
> so I have been in my
> share of DX pileups. What I find really strange is how there will be the
> usual horrific pile up on AO-51
> and then when an FO-29 pass comes a short time later there will usually be
> no one on. I realize the
> emphasis is all on "keeping it simple" but wonder how this change occurred.
> Did it happen all at
> once - did it happen when the last HEO satellite died. Are the linear sats
> too complicated. Do people
> not have SSB and CW equipment or are they just not interested anymore.
>
> Question 2 relates to the rest of the world. I notice that FO-29, which
> seems to be the best linear
> satellite, came from Japan. What is activity like in Japan/Europe and the
> rest of the world outside
> the US. Is it mostly just FM on V/U sats. I believe the current US effort is
> an FM only Fox with a
> linear sat in the "2015 time frame". Since the FO-29 activity is almost zero
> it would see strange to
> put up another US linear sat at any time. As old as I am the "2015 time
> frame" might be beyond
> my chicken little date so I wonder if there are there any LEO linear sats in
> the works in other parts
> of the world.
>
> I am not complaining I just wonder what happened and what the future holds.
> Feel free to reply
> directly.
>
> 73 W9KE tom ... AMSAT LM 0875
>
>
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 18:26:41 -0700
From: Kevin Deane <summit496@xxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] How about DM 6,7,8
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These maybe?
DM 6, 7, 8
Kevin
KF7MYK
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 04:32:42 +0200
From: "i8cvs" <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx>
To: "Joe" <nss@xxx.xxx>, "Amsat - BBs" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Two Questions
Message-ID: <003401cc7999$1251a700$0401a8c0@xxxxxx>
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe" <nss@xxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 2:47 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Two Questions
> See Below,
> On 9/22/2011 5:50 PM, Ted wrote:
> > "Are the linear sats too complicated?
> NO!
> > Do people not have SSB and CW equipment or are they just not interested
> > anymore."
> That is Hard to say,,
> > Tom, speaking only for me, I have tried several times to work a linear.
> > I have a TS 2000 with the sat function and HRD sat program which
> > allegedly adjust the Doppler, 2m/440 SSB and a Elk on a rotor w/fixed
> > el.. Try as I might, I cannot get the tx and rx to match so I can
> > duplex.
> There is a simple fix to this,, SHUT ALL THAT CRAP OFF! In the 70's we
> didn't have anything like that. The flight computer if you were lucky to
> have one was a piece of cardboard with a clear plastic overlay to tell
> you where the Bird is,
> An "Oscar Locator" it was called.
>
> As far as doppler correction,,, we turned the large knob on the front of
> the radio, thats our doppler correction system.
> > There just does not seem to be single primer that one can follow on how
> > to accomplish the process. There are multiple opinions from individuals,
> > but not much of a consensus on a good standard process. Admittedly, I
> > have problem not given a fair amount of time on my technique as I was
> > concentrating on VUCC. Now that that will go to the card checker
> > tomorrow, I need to spend some time on the linear. I just wish there was
> > a 'manual'
> It's called doing it "Manually"
>
> Simple and very effective thousands of hams did it for decades, no
> reason it won't work now.
>
> Joe WB9SBD
> > 73, Ted
> > K7TRK
Hi Joe, WB9SBD
I agree completely with you because I started to work satellites with
OSCAR-6 not to collect grids but to improve my knowledge in
radio tecnology.
Put now an "Oscar Locator" in the hand of a satellite newcomer is like
to say to him to drive a Ford Model T called also Tin Lizzie or Flivver
and he will bump into a wall !
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 22:20:57 -0500
From: Michael Schulz <mschulz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Two Questions
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Domenico,
Don't blame it on the newcomers, when the old-guys don't put enough effort
into educating the new guys.
I can consider myself a satellite newcomer. My very first sat QSO was on
AO-7 using a homebrew IOio
made out of PVC pipe and copper tubing and an FT-736R. No software or even a
rotor. Now that being
said, I today use software because it makes it more pleasant, plus I enjoy
linking up radios with computers
and building stuff. I do know how to do it without though.
There seems to be a lot of bashing of clueless newbs wherever I turn on the
Internet when it comes to
ham radio. So I have to ask you: have you done anything lately to educate
new hams?
As for the original poster: forget the software, eliminate all pieces that
aren't necessary to operate which
makes it easier to troubleshoot. Then when you have the radio part down,
start with the software part.
Install Linux first and the hamlib and Gpredict. Hook everything up and be a
happy camper.
Real men use Linux/UNIX anyway (sorry couldn't resists and a bit of
controversy is always fun ;) ).
73 Mike K5TRI
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 9:32 PM, i8cvs <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx> wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe" <nss@xxx.xxx>
> To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 2:47 AM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Two Questions
>
> > See Below,
>
> > On 9/22/2011 5:50 PM, Ted wrote:
>
> > > "Are the linear sats too complicated?
>
> > NO!
>
> > > Do people not have SSB and CW equipment or are they just not interested
> > > anymore."
>
> > That is Hard to say,,
>
>
> > > Tom, speaking only for me, I have tried several times to work a linear.
> > > I have a TS 2000 with the sat function and HRD sat program which
> > > allegedly adjust the Doppler, 2m/440 SSB and a Elk on a rotor w/fixed
> > > el.. Try as I might, I cannot get the tx and rx to match so I can
> > > duplex.
>
> > There is a simple fix to this,, SHUT ALL THAT CRAP OFF! In the 70's we
> > didn't have anything like that. The flight computer if you were lucky to
> > have one was a piece of cardboard with a clear plastic overlay to tell
> > you where the Bird is,
> > An "Oscar Locator" it was called.
> >
> > As far as doppler correction,,, we turned the large knob on the front of
> > the radio, thats our doppler correction system.
>
>
> > > There just does not seem to be single primer that one can follow on how
> > > to accomplish the process. There are multiple opinions from
> individuals,
> > > but not much of a consensus on a good standard process. Admittedly, I
> > > have problem not given a fair amount of time on my technique as I was
> > > concentrating on VUCC. Now that that will go to the card checker
> > > tomorrow, I need to spend some time on the linear. I just wish there
> was
> > > a 'manual'
>
> > It's called doing it "Manually"
> >
> > Simple and very effective thousands of hams did it for decades, no
> > reason it won't work now.
> >
> > Joe WB9SBD
>
>
> > > 73, Ted
> > > K7TRK
>
>
> Hi Joe, WB9SBD
>
> I agree completely with you because I started to work satellites with
> OSCAR-6 not to collect grids but to improve my knowledge in
> radio tecnology.
>
> Put now an "Oscar Locator" in the hand of a satellite newcomer is like
> to say to him to drive a Ford Model T called also Tin Lizzie or Flivver
> and he will bump into a wall !
>
> 73" de
>
> i8CVS Domenico
>
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 06:49:48 +0200
From: "i8cvs" <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx>
To: "Michael Schulz" <mschulz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>, "Amsat - BBs"
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Two Questions
Message-ID: <001f01cc79ac$39dfb600$0401a8c0@xxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Schulz" <mschulz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 5:20 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Two Questions
> Domenico,
<snip>
>
> There seems to be a lot of bashing of clueless newbs wherever I turn on
> the Internet when it comes to ham radio. So I have to ask you: have you
> done anything lately to educate new hams?
>
> > 73 Mike K5TRI
Hi Mike K5TRI
Yes I did always my effort to educate the new radio hams to use satellites
in order to improve their knoledge in radio tecnology and not only to use
satellites to collect only grids for very small.
Read please my technical articles into the AMSAT-Journal
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
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