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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Good stills on Flickr (Gregg Wonderly)
2. Good signal from ARISSat-1 (Masahiro Arai)
3. Re: Three Words ... (Michael Schulz)
4. Re: Three Words ... (Jeff Yanko)
5. Fw: ARRISat-1 received over Africa (Nader Omer)
6. Re: Good stills on Flickr (George Henry)
7. Re: Three Words ... (STeve Andre')
8. ARISSat-1 AOS/LOS compared to ISS? (Mark L. Hammond)
9. THE ROUGH TREATMENT OF ARISSAT-1 (John Marranca, Jr)
10. Re: Good signal from ARISSat-1 (Masahiro Arai)
11. Re: THE ROUGH TREATMENT OF ARISSAT-1 (relax!) (Bob Bruninga)
12. ARISSat-1 Screen Shots (Clint Bradford)
13. Re: ARISSat-1 - Photos from NASA TV (Phil Karn)
14. ARRISat-1 received over Africa (Nader Omer)
15. deployment story (R Oler)
16. Palm cell phone & GPS (Jim Reicher)
17. Re: ARISSat-1 - Photos from NASA TV (Gregg Wonderly)
18. Re: ARISSat-1 deployment time correction (Luc Leblanc)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 16:13:27 -0500
From: Gregg Wonderly <w5ggw@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Good stills on Flickr
To: "Mark L. Hammond" <marklhammond@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: Amsat - BBs <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <4E39B9F7.8050004@xxx.xxx>
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These photos need some retouching to fix the details back into view...
Gregg
On 8/3/2011 4:02 PM, Mark L. Hammond wrote:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/valkyries1/6005117203/in/set-72157627223306577/
>
> Thanks to the ARISSat website for the link! http://www.arissat1.org/v3/
>
>
>
>
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 06:10:07 +0900
From: Masahiro Arai <m-arai@x.xxxxx.xx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Good signal from ARISSat-1
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <201108032110.AA00595@xxxxx.x.xxxxx.xx.xx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp
I just heard ARISSat-1 signal at 2057-2106z. FM, CW and BPSK are well.
I heard Voice tlm, Msgs, SSTVs. It wass High power mode.
Here is the Voice tlm at 2101z.
MET = 139min
IHU Temp = +27C
Control Panel Temp = +17C
Battery Voltage = 33.884V
Battery Current = +457mAmA
I'll check recoded wave file with FCD.
Masa JN1GKZ Tokyo
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 16:15:12 -0500
From: Michael Schulz <mschulz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Three Words ...
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <7BDA07B3-842F-48D4-B567-84B1E25369C4@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
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So let me play devils advocate here for a second or three. When I was
watching the stream, it sure looked like
they didn't really give a rats ass about the satellite. The fact that these
spacewalks don't occur every day tells
me that there's some effort behind them. So how can it be that the folks
responsible did not have their act together
and check something truly obvious like .. uhm .. an antenna? I mean it's not
like we're talking about a software bug
that only could've been uncovered after it was all done. No, we're talking
about an external, visible and physical thing.
Now here's the rub. If AMSAT paid for it (to which degree and what
percentage doesn't really matter) and the satellite
does not have the desired and expected (and paid for) functionality because
either it was damaged during the deployment
or before (also doesn't really matter) who will refund AMSAT? Even more
important what's the follow up to this?
I sure did not get the impression that it was a well coordinated mission.
The communication between the two seemed a
bit .. well let's say unprofessional.
Cheers,
Mike K5TRI
On Aug 3, 2011, at 4:06 PM, Andy Kellner wrote:
> No .. Linear .. Transponder !
>
> Thank you very much Alexander Samokutyaev, Sergei Volkov and Roscosmos for
a job well done.
>
> VK4FHAW
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 14:29:45 -0700
From: "Jeff Yanko" <wb3jfs@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Three Words ...
To: "Michael Schulz" <mschulz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>, "AMSAT BB"
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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The only thing that comes to mind when people act or perform the way they do
is when there is no accountablility or competition. With the shuttle now in
mothballs, a monopoly getting into space has already settled in. Just look
at the statement made by Russian officials how they planned on "sinking" the
ISS by 2020. They recanted later, through some tactical convincing, and
claimed it was all a misunderstanding or misquote. Yea, right.
Get use to it people, this is just starting.
73,
Jeff WB3JFS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Schulz" <mschulz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "AMSAT BB" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 2:15 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Three Words ...
> So let me play devils advocate here for a second or three. When I was
> watching the stream, it sure looked like
> they didn't really give a rats ass about the satellite. The fact that
> these spacewalks don't occur every day tells
> me that there's some effort behind them. So how can it be that the folks
> responsible did not have their act together
> and check something truly obvious like .. uhm .. an antenna? I mean it's
> not like we're talking about a software bug
> that only could've been uncovered after it was all done. No, we're talking
> about an external, visible and physical thing.
>
> Now here's the rub. If AMSAT paid for it (to which degree and what
> percentage doesn't really matter) and the satellite
> does not have the desired and expected (and paid for) functionality
> because either it was damaged during the deployment
> or before (also doesn't really matter) who will refund AMSAT? Even more
> important what's the follow up to this?
>
> I sure did not get the impression that it was a well coordinated mission.
> The communication between the two seemed a
> bit .. well let's say unprofessional.
>
> Cheers,
> Mike K5TRI
>
>
> On Aug 3, 2011, at 4:06 PM, Andy Kellner wrote:
>
>> No .. Linear .. Transponder !
>>
>> Thank you very much Alexander Samokutyaev, Sergei Volkov and Roscosmos
>> for a job well done.
>>
>> VK4FHAW
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>> program!
>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 14:30:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Nader Omer <st2nh@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Fw: ARRISat-1 received over Africa
To: amsat bb bb <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID:
<1312407007.75356.YahooMailClassic@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
HI All
A very strong? and clear SSTV?photo received??and 2 voice messages over
Africa.?Loc?KK65GP at 20:35 UTC
?
73 Nader st2nh
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 14:33:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: George Henry <ka3hsw@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Good stills on Flickr
To: w5ggw@xxxxxxxx.xxxx AMSAT <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <1312407218.74833.YahooMailRC@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
They also appear to be from this morning's failed launch attempt, not the
successful (well, except for the whole broken antenna thing) deployment this
afternoon.
George, KA3HSW
----- Original Message ----
> From: Gregg Wonderly <w5ggw@xxx.xxx>
> To: Mark L. Hammond <marklhammond@xxxxx.xxx>
> Cc: Amsat - BBs <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> Sent: Wed, August 3, 2011 4:13:27 PM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Good stills on Flickr
>
> These photos need some retouching to fix the details back into view...
>
> Gregg
>
> On 8/3/2011 4:02 PM, Mark L. Hammond wrote:
> >
http://www.flickr.com/photos/valkyries1/6005117203/in/set-72157627223306577/
> >
> > Thanks to the ARISSat website for the link! http://www.arissat1.org/v3/
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 17:38:57 -0400
From: "STeve Andre'" <andres@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Three Words ...
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <4E39BFF1.4010605@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
As I think on this more, this is classic diplomacy in action. We, the
ham community
are going to need to do a polite dance around issues like roughness, etc.
The answer about refunding is that no one will. If we crab loudly
enough, it will
not be possible to do more things like this. IF we paid full freight,
then yes we'd
have more of a 'right', but I'll bet that entities who have experiments
done have
some sort of clause in their agreement which indemnifies the ISS if
things go
wrong. The effort for this can't be less than $500,000 if you totaled
it up.
Space is still a very experimental workplace. ...How long did the
various US
astronauts train for Hubble missions? I'm not excusing rough or really
careless
handing, but things happen.
--STeve Andre'
wb8wsf en72
On 08/03/11 17:15, Michael Schulz wrote:
> So let me play devils advocate here for a second or three. When I was
watching the stream, it sure looked like
> they didn't really give a rats ass about the satellite. The fact that
these spacewalks don't occur every day tells
> me that there's some effort behind them. So how can it be that the folks
responsible did not have their act together
> and check something truly obvious like .. uhm .. an antenna? I mean it's
not like we're talking about a software bug
> that only could've been uncovered after it was all done. No, we're talking
about an external, visible and physical thing.
>
> Now here's the rub. If AMSAT paid for it (to which degree and what
percentage doesn't really matter) and the satellite
> does not have the desired and expected (and paid for) functionality
because either it was damaged during the deployment
> or before (also doesn't really matter) who will refund AMSAT? Even more
important what's the follow up to this?
>
> I sure did not get the impression that it was a well coordinated mission.
The communication between the two seemed a
> bit .. well let's say unprofessional.
>
> Cheers,
> Mike K5TRI
>
>
> On Aug 3, 2011, at 4:06 PM, Andy Kellner wrote:
>
>> No .. Linear .. Transponder !
>>
>> Thank you very much Alexander Samokutyaev, Sergei Volkov and Roscosmos
for a job well done.
>>
>> VK4FHAW
>>
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 17:52:29 -0400
From: "Mark L. Hammond" <marklhammond@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] ARISSat-1 AOS/LOS compared to ISS?
To: "Amsat - BBs" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <Fxsc1h00H56cfur05xscKs@xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
It will be very helpful if observers will compare AOS/LOS to the ISS (until
we get Keps).
I suspect it's behind already, but by how much?
73,
Mark L. Hammond [N8MH]
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 18:05:00 -0400
From: "John Marranca, Jr" <KB2HSH@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] THE ROUGH TREATMENT OF ARISSAT-1
To: amsat-bb <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID:
<CAMofO022mLYoEWvqnvpXSt+pT0gUoYV7mdT3Ge36=t7xAXFvnA@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
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I don't quite understand the "high-fiving" going on in regards to "Congrats
on the deployment of Arissat-1". Bullshit. Someone's ASS should be on the
line for the rough treatment of this "project" (as NASA TV kept referring to
it as). As far as I'M concerned...they sent out INEXPERIENCED rookies to
deploy something that, while minor in the grand scheme of projects
undertaken by ISS/NASA, was still important to US and the university that
built the pressure experiment onboard. What if these cosmonauts DID destroy
it? What if it had to be brought back to Earth? Who would have paid for
it? Or would it have been a loss for the contributors involved?
My 2 cents!'
John KB2HSH
--
_______________________________
John Marranca, Jr
-PBX Technician-
BN Systems, Incorporated
Orchard Park, NY
(716)406-7130
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 07:07:11 +0900
From: Masahiro Arai <m-arai@x.xxxxx.xx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Good signal from ARISSat-1
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <201108032207.AA00608@xxxxx.x.xxxxx.xx.xx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp
I got one BSPK-1000 TLM, two Kurks Exp and three SSTVs at the pass.
FCD is great
Have a fun!
73
Masa JN1GKZ
>
>I just heard ARISSat-1 signal at 2057-2106z. FM, CW and BPSK are well.
>I heard Voice tlm, Msgs, SSTVs. It wass High power mode.
>Here is the Voice tlm at 2101z.
>
>
>MET = 139min
>IHU Temp = +27C
>Control Panel Temp = +17C
>Battery Voltage = 33.884V
>Battery Current = +457mAmA
>
>
>I'll check recoded wave file with FCD.
>
>Masa JN1GKZ Tokyo
>
?
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 18:47:54 -0400
From: "Bob Bruninga" <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: THE ROUGH TREATMENT OF ARISSAT-1 (relax!)
To: "'amsat-bb'" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <03d101cc522f$61f357e0$25da07a0$@xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Everyone should relax.
We built PCSAT-2 that was also deployed on the outside of ISS back in 2006.
The requirements for any kind of such EVA hardware are clearly spelled out
by NASA since they (and anyone who thinks about it) realizes that carrying
ANYTHING by hand or on a tether in ZERO G is going to get banged around like
an ape with a suitcase.
It is na?ve to assume otherwise.
So PCSAT-2 (and I assume Arissat) was built to be kicked, banged, hit,
dropped, stepped on, and even whizzed on (ISS water releases). The forces
were specified to include the 300lb impact of the astronauts foot (man and
suit) anywhere and everywhere on the object.
The live video proved how realistic these design requirements are.
So relax. What you saw is man working in space. Like making sausage, it
ain't pretty... but its what the laws of physics require when heavy objects
float.
ArissSat was designed for this environment and apparently it survived just
fine.
Bob, WB4APR
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 6:05 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] THE ROUGH TREATMENT OF ARISSAT-1
> .. [BS...] Someone's ASS should be on the line for the
> rough treatment of this "project"... As far as I'M
> concerned...they sent out INEXPERIENCED rookies to
> deploy something that... was still important to US and
> the university that built the pressure experiment onboard.
> What if these cosmonauts DID destroy it? What if it had
> to be brought back to Earth? Who would have paid for
> it? Or would it have been a loss for the contributors involved?
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 14:31:08 -0700
From: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] ARISSat-1 Screen Shots
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <69DCAF38-27C3-4065-8AF1-AC531953C7EA@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
What a day! And reception reports are already coming in!
I apologize for the links that non-Mac folks' systems wouldn't allow entry
or didn't like the "tinyurl" forwarder ...
something about long filenames and symbols in the filenames.
ANYWAY - Here'a about 60 screenshots taken from the deployment ...
http://gallery.me.com/clintbradford#100271
I also have "both" video sessions:
-The first - the first 30+ minutes of EVA29 ... nice footage, but deployment
delayed, of course.
-The second - the deployment, but no video from ISS nor astronauts' helmets
during actual deployment -
just audio and static screens during the physical deployment. (But I'll
wager that the Russian Federal
Space Administration will have some great photos and/or video of it on their
site soon ... (grin).)
If you are seriously interested in either .flv movie file, please privately
email me. They're just under
300MB each ... so I'll post them somewhere for you to download.
Clint Bradford
clintbradford@xxx.xxx
909-241-7666 - cell, PDT
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 13:24:59 -0700
From: Phil Karn <karn@xxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ARISSat-1 - Photos from NASA TV
To: Joe <nss@xxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4E39AE9B.7000300@xxxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
I put a couple of snapshots of closeups of the 70 cm antenna on my
website. I can't do video grabs so they're simply photographs of the TV
screen.
This is just a directory of raw photographs, no thumbnails:
http://www.ka9q.net/ARISSAT/
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 14:19:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Nader Omer <st2nh@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] ARRISat-1 received over Africa
To: amsat bb bb <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID:
<1312406347.88645.YahooMailClassic@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
HI All
A very strong? and clear SSTV?photo received??and 2 voice messages over
Africa.?Loc?KK65GP at 20:35 UTC
?
73 Nader st2nh
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 16:58:13 -0500
From: R Oler <orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] deployment story
To: <st2nh@xxxxx.xxx>, Amsat BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <COL106-W32FF7668CCBB5DA6E1F78FD63A0@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2011/08/cosmonauts-russian-spacewalk-internatio
nal-space-station/
Robert G. Oler WB5MZO ARRL AMSAT NARS Life member
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 13:31:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jim Reicher <w0hv@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Palm cell phone & GPS
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <1312403462.75379.YahooMailRC@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Does anyone know of a way to get the GPS output from a Palm Pixi (same OS as
the
Palm PRE) so it can be used for APRS?
73 de W0HV, Jim in Raymore, MO
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 15:35:49 -0500
From: Gregg Wonderly <w5ggw@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ARISSat-1 - Photos from NASA TV
To: Joe <nss@xxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4E39B125.8090108@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
That should be http://gallery.me.com/username/#100271. The username is all
that
is needed.
Gregg
On 8/3/2011 1:48 PM, Joe wrote:
> Can we have your user name and password to look at these photos?
> Joe WB9SBD
>
> The Original Rolling Ball Clock
> Idle Tyme
> Idle-Tyme.com
> http://www.idle-tyme.com
>
> On 8/3/2011 10:56 AM, Clint Bradford wrote:
>> Fifty screenshots of ARISSat-1 taken from first 30 minutes of EVA29 ...
>>
>> https://www.me.com/gallery/#100271
>>
>>
>> Clint Bradford
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 17:38:08 -0400
From: Luc Leblanc <lucleblanc6@xxxxxxxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ARISSat-1 deployment time correction
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Cc: eu-amsat@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4E39BFC0.10867.1B1DF0B@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> The ARISSat-1 space craft was deployed from the ISS today at 1443 EDT
(1843 UTC) after a hold based upon questions about the 70cm antenna.
>
On a frame by frame replay it was even very evident that the satellite has
been thrown away just by watching the swing of the central long
whip. As the first spacesuit sat issues we will have to have VERY HIGH ERP
to be able to be heard on ARISSat-1 in the event of the
unconfirmed "yet" UHF antenna status. It was very apparent they want to
regain their late time in hurry and they seems to have broken
something (Very hard to see even in a frame by frame view as the images are
most of the time fuzzy in that mode) in their EVA tool and
equipment reteriving from the air lock. Something hit the antenna but the
images after this collision are too fuzzy to be able to verify if
any dammages where present. They where not even sure how many antenna where
installed on it!!!!!
MY EDUCATED GUESS
They broke the UHF antenna in their hurry to get rid of this BOX and they
let it go as it was not an essential task!
It will now be interresting to know wich mode are activated to be able to
focus our listening task on the right place.
"-"
Luc Leblanc VE2DWE
Skype VE2DWE
www.qsl.net/ve2dwe
DSTAR urcall VE2DWE
WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE
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