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Today's Topics:

   1.  I'm missing something (John Becker)
   2. Re: I'm missing something (Bob Bruninga)
   3. Re: I'm missing something (Peter Portanova)
   4. Re: I'm missing something (Peter Portanova)
   5. Re: I'm missing something (Sebastian, W4AS)
   6.  Update Info Services for Leanore KA6UCD (JoAnne Maenpaa)
   7. Re: I'm missing something (Gordon JC Pearce)
   8.  Shuttle's So CA Connection (Clint Bradford)
   9.  L.A. TIMES Covers Shuttle's Influence in Region (Clint Bradford)
  10. Re: I'm missing something (i8cvs)
  11. Re: I'm Missing Somethin' (Clint Bradford)
  12. Re: I'm Missing Somethin' (John Geiger)
  13. Re: I'm Missing Somethin' (Clint Bradford)
  14. Re: ARISSat-1/RadioSkaf-V Deployment date? (George Henry)
  15.  FM satellites (Dave Guimont)
  16. Re: Trio TR 9300 (Ari Kosonen)
  17. Re: FM satellites (rnutter@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx
  18. Re: FM satellites (Peter Portanova)
  19.  Kamtronics Question & Suggestion (Stuart Balanger)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2011 14:43:09 -0500
From: John Becker <w0jab@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb]  I'm missing something
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20110705143657.0283c300@xxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Other then very very easy to use what is the BIG deal about
the FM sats? I must be missing something since having a very
bad out come when I did (once) to use one.

I have got to be missing something.



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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 16:03:51 -0400
From: "Bob Bruninga" <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: I'm missing something
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <01a301cc3b4e$a8d34e10$fa79ea30$@xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

> Other then very very easy to use what is the BIG deal
> about the FM sats? I must be missing something...

Its just the same whining and griping as we are hearing today on July 5th
about the delays on the Subway leaving the Washington DC 4th of July
Fireworks.  Only about 5 million people come down to the mall all day long.
Then at 9:37 PM when the last firework finale ends, all 5 million stampede
to the closest subway station and then fight and complain about everyone
else jamming the subway.

Guess what.  Its gonna happen, everytime.  Everyone thinks  they are going
to beat the crowd, or get there first.  And its all those other people in
-their- way.

Same goes for 2600 FD stations all trying to use a single FM channel during
an 8 minute pass...

By the way, I thought I had it all figured out.  We'd go to the first
station SOUTH of the mall to catch the NORTH bound train.  Everyone going
North we assumed would go to the first station north (where they came in
from)...  It was a brilliant plan....

Except that we could not even get within a block of the station because of
all the SOUTHBOUND people jamming entrance to the entire station for a half
a block.  SO even though the north bound trains were leaving there quite
empty, we could not get to them.  Silly me.  I should have realized that.

Working the FM satellites is easy and fun.  Just do it when no one else is
doing it.

It's like the Stock Market.  Its EASY... just buy low and sell high.  Works
every time.

Bob, WB4APR




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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2011 16:09:58 -0400
From: "Peter Portanova" <wb2oqq@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: I'm missing something
To: "John Becker" <w0jab@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <BB98125F17F6467EA0F4AE0E6200082E@xxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
reply-type=original

John,

What do I know, but the FM satellites in addition to providing grids and
awards have evolved into another type of social media, after making many
contacts and a few friends on the FM satellites, I continue to visit,in
spite of the crowds, to say a quick hello to Rick, Tim, Marc, Allen etc. not
as often, spending more time on the Linear satellites, which we all should
and can evolve to.  A lot of us are interested in building our grid count,
or working a station in Mexico or Brazil or someone on a grid expedition.  I
can fully appreciate others who cannot embrace any of this and are bored
with the congestion, so they move on.  But for many of us, the thrill and
goose bumps we get  working thru a satellite spinning in space never gets
old, so we accept the situation and feel that the positives outweigh the
negatives and plan for another pass.

73's Pete
WB2OQQ
www.massapequanyweather.com



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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2011 16:11:43 -0400
From: "Peter Portanova" <wb2oqq@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: I'm missing something
To: "Bob Bruninga" <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>
Cc: AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <FE1A2AAF37FA4A0B9F664CE53DB188A1@xxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
reply-type=original

Bob,

Simple but Brilliant... your logic is only exceeded by your intelligence..

73's Pete
WB2OQQ
www.massapequanyweather.com


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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 18:04:34 -0400
From: "Sebastian, W4AS" <w4as@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: I'm missing something
To: amsat-bb <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <5CBEB0E6-8518-4D8B-9B1E-C5845533612E@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

One thing that I like about the satellites is their predictability.  I can
look at my software, and know exactly when I have the ability to use my
station to work into a particular part of the world.

The HF bands haven't been in very good shape over the last few years, so
it's nice to be able to work stations in other countries in a band such as 2
meters or 432 MHz, which the average ham would have no idea is full of
signals.

73 de Sebastian, W4AS



On Jul 5, 2011, at 4:09 PM, Peter Portanova wrote:

> John,
>
> What do I know, but the FM satellites in addition to providing grids and
> awards have evolved into another type of social media, after making many
> contacts and a few friends on the FM satellites, I continue to visit,in
> spite of the crowds, to say a quick hello to Rick, Tim, Marc, Allen etc. not
> as often, spending more time on the Linear satellites, which we all should
> and can evolve to.  A lot of us are interested in building our grid count,
> or working a station in Mexico or Brazil or someone on a grid expedition.  I
> can fully appreciate others who cannot embrace any of this and are bored
> with the congestion, so they move on.  But for many of us, the thrill and
> goose bumps we get  working thru a satellite spinning in space never gets
> old, so we accept the situation and feel that the positives outweigh the
> negatives and plan for another pass.
>
> 73's Pete
> WB2OQQ



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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 17:16:33 -0500
From: "JoAnne Maenpaa" <k9jkm@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb]  Update Info Services for Leanore KA6UCD
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <004801cc3b61$3391c740$9ab555c0$@xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

Hello Everyone,

If we waited for the weekend ANS news cycle this information would be too
late.

Posted in ANS-184:
+ AMSAT has received the sad news of the death of Leanore Guimont,
  KA6UCD, the wife of Dave, WB6LLO. For many years no Symposium
  would be complete without the Dave and Leanore "jewelry" contest.
  Our thoughts and prayers go out to Dave. He has requested no cards
  or email be sent.

AMSAT has received this update for those of you in the area:
The services for Leanore are being held at St David's Episcopal Church in
San Diego on Saturday July 9 at 1000.

--
73 de JoAnne K9JKM
k9jkm@xxxxx.xxx
Editor, AMSAT News Service





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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 23:54:23 +0100
From: Gordon JC Pearce <gordonjcp@xxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: I'm missing something
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <20110705235423.6919e947.gordonjcp@xxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

On Tue, 5 Jul 2011 16:03:51 -0400
"Bob Bruninga" <bruninga@xxxx.xxx> wrote:

> Guess what.  Its gonna happen, everytime.  Everyone thinks  they are going
> to beat the crowd, or get there first.  And its all those other people in
> -their- way.

We don't do the 4th of July fireworks, but then you don't do the 11th of
November fireworks.  It doesn't get dark until midnight here in July anyway.

Some of us are in the position of being able to schedule a little PMI on a
high site for 7:30pm on November 5th.  Just a thought, guys...

Gordon MM0YEQ


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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2011 18:05:50 -0700
From: Clint Bradford <clintbradford@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb]  Shuttle's So CA Connection
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <E8D257D4-BD68-47B7-BB6E-7D53EB86C9F5@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252

When the nation?s last space shuttle blasts off from Cape Canaveral, Fla.,
on Friday, it will mark the beginning of the end of a four-decade-long
program steeped in American ingenuity.

In an article in today's Los Angeles Times newspaper, there's a look at the
shuttle program's high technology and its lasting imprint on Southern
California?s economy.

Work on the shuttle program began in 1972 as the Apollo moon landings were
coming to an end. The shuttle program marked a new era in human spaceflight
and called for a quantum leap in space technology, as the article says ...

Before the shuttle, astronauts reached space by squeezing into a small
capsule launched atop a massive rocket. By the time the shuttle was in
design, the space program was looking for ways to keep as many as seven
astronauts in orbit for weeks at a time in relative comfort.

To do this, scientists and engineers had to rethink nearly every aspect of
the endeavor, notably flight controls, rocket engines and protection from
searing heat generated by reentry.

Along with the story, there?s an interactive graphic that showcases some of
the California companies that built parts of the shuttle. There?s also a
photo gallery with historic pictures of the shuttles and three panoramas of
Pratt & Whitney Rocketdyne?s rocket engine assembly plant.

The countdown has begun for the last space shuttle, Atlantis, which is
slated for launch Friday at 8:21 a.m. Pacific time. If you?re interested,
you can watch the shuttle launch on NASA?s website.


Clint Bradford, K6LCS




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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2011 18:11:59 -0700
From: Clint Bradford <clintbradford@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb]  L.A. TIMES Covers Shuttle's Influence in Region
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <991A9D7C-2406-4A6D-9CAE-DB8F62440EED@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252

When the nation?s last space shuttle blasts off from Cape Canaveral, Fla.,
on Friday, it will mark the beginning of the end of a four-decade-long
program steeped in American ingenuity.

In an article in Tuesday?s Times, we take a look at the shuttle program's
high technology and its lasting imprint on Southern California?s economy.

Work on the shuttle program began in 1972 as the Apollo moon landings were
coming to an end. The shuttle program marked a new era in human spaceflight
and called for a quantum leap in space technology, as the article says:

Before the shuttle, astronauts reached space by squeezing into a small
capsule launched atop a massive rocket. By the time the shuttle was in
design, the space program was looking for ways to keep as many as seven
astronauts in orbit for weeks at a time in relative comfort.

To do this, scientists and engineers had to rethink nearly every aspect of
the endeavor, notably flight controls, rocket engines and protection from
searing heat generated by reentry.

Along with the story, there?s an interactive graphic that showcases some of
the California companies that built parts of the shuttle. There?s also a
photo gallery with historic pictures of the shuttles and three panoramas of
Pratt & Whitney Rocketdyne?s rocket engine assembly plant.

The countdown has begun for the last space shuttle, Atlantis, which is
slated for launch Friday at 8:21 a.m. Pacific time. If you?re interested,
you can watch the shuttle launch on NASA?s website.

LA Times article and comments: http://tinyurl.com/shuttle-CA


Clint Bradford, K6LCS






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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 03:38:28 +0200
From: "i8cvs" <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: I'm missing something
To: "Bob Bruninga" <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>, "Amsat - BBs"
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <000001cc3b7d$bc38eda0$0401a8c0@xxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Bruninga" <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 10:03 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: I'm missing something

> Working the FM satellites is easy and fun.  Just do it when no one else is
> doing it.
>
> Bob, WB4APR
>

Hi Bob ,WB4APR

If working FM satellites is easy and fun just when no else is doint it it
means that is easy and fun to talk only with my self.........HI......HI ! !

Please forget the FM satellites and switch on VO-52, FO-29 and OSCAR-7
but pulling for P3E.

Dont forget that many years ago AMSAT promises that working satellites
would be much better than working 20 meters.......But only in theory !

If at time from OSCAR-10 to AO40 I have supposed that AMSAT ended
into the actual bad situation I would invested my money into the HF.

73" de

i8CVS Domenico



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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2011 19:00:19 -0700
From: Clint Bradford <clintbradford@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: I'm Missing Somethin'
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <7BE262A5-5F1F-444D-9C73-428A1146CC7A@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII

You wrote on the AMSAT-BB message server ...


"Other then very very easy to use what is the BIG deal about
the FM sats? I must be missing something since having a very
bad out come when I did (once) to use one. I have got to be
missing something."


I am not sure what you are "expecting" from the existing FM satellites.

I am in my mid-50s as far as age goes, and still get excited at the wonderful
technology that the FM birds exhibit.

And although I have given my presentation entitled, "How to Work the
FM Ham Satellites With Your HT" presentation more than 60 times to
various clubs and audiences the past couple of years, I continue to find
appreciative audiences for this aspect of this wonderful hobby.

SO ... I do not completely understand "where you're coming from" as
you tell us that thius might not be a "big deal" in the ham radio world.

Yes, you and I know that workin' the FM sats is TRULY an example of
the "line of sight" theory that we all read about while studying for our ham
radio licenses.

But as I make my presentations to clubs all over North America, I
continue to find appreciative audiences, as others seem to not realize
that with a "mere" Technician" amateur radio so much more than just
working stations across the valley or hitting those hilltop repeaters.

SO ... What's the "big deal?"  It's something that "mere Technicians"
can do in this magnificent hobby - in addition to "normal" voice
privileges - and a privilege that is, IMHO, a truly remarkable and
exciting aspect of "Amateur Radio."

Clint Bradford, K6LCS
http://www.work-sat.com


Clint Bradford
clintbradford@xxx.xxx






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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 02:48:02 -0000
From: "John Geiger" <aa5jg@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: I'm Missing Somethin'
To: "Clint Bradford" <clintbradford@xxx.xxx>, "AMSAT BB"
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <AFBBD79A78EC43758C7B8DAA10136736@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original

I have been licensed for 31 years now.  I have 8 band DXCC, 3 different VUCC
awards on 6m, VUCC on 2m, 5 band worked all states, and 317 countries worked
and confirmed, and I STILL get excited whenever I work a new grid on the FM
satellites.  Part of the fun is the challenge of getting thru the pileups on
there.

73s John AA5JG

----- Original Message -----
From: "Clint Bradford" <clintbradford@xxx.xxx>
To: "AMSAT BB" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 2:00 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: I'm Missing Somethin'


> You wrote on the AMSAT-BB message server ...
>
>
> "Other then very very easy to use what is the BIG deal about
> the FM sats? I must be missing something since having a very
> bad out come when I did (once) to use one. I have got to be
> missing something."
>
>
> I am not sure what you are "expecting" from the existing FM satellites.
>
> I am in my mid-50s as far as age goes, and still get excited at the
> wonderful
> technology that the FM birds exhibit.
>
> And although I have given my presentation entitled, "How to Work the
> FM Ham Satellites With Your HT" presentation more than 60 times to
> various clubs and audiences the past couple of years, I continue to find
> appreciative audiences for this aspect of this wonderful hobby.
>
> SO ... I do not completely understand "where you're coming from" as
> you tell us that thius might not be a "big deal" in the ham radio world.
>
> Yes, you and I know that workin' the FM sats is TRULY an example of
> the "line of sight" theory that we all read about while studying for our
> ham
> radio licenses.
>
> But as I make my presentations to clubs all over North America, I
> continue to find appreciative audiences, as others seem to not realize
> that with a "mere" Technician" amateur radio so much more than just
> working stations across the valley or hitting those hilltop repeaters.
>
> SO ... What's the "big deal?"  It's something that "mere Technicians"
> can do in this magnificent hobby - in addition to "normal" voice
> privileges - and a privilege that is, IMHO, a truly remarkable and
> exciting aspect of "Amateur Radio."
>
> Clint Bradford, K6LCS
> http://www.work-sat.com
>
>
> Clint Bradford
> clintbradford@xxx.xxx
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb



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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2011 20:21:27 -0700
From: Clint Bradford <clintbradford@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: I'm Missing Somethin'
To: John Geiger <aa5jg@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <0A00392A-FF9E-4201-AC69-EC2DB9102077@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII

John. I have only been licensed  since 1993, but STILL receive weird looks
from my wife when, as I work an FM bird from my back yard in Riverside, CA,
as I exclaim, "Karen,  I'm working Canada!!!"

To ME, it's a ham contact at a Watt or two ... to my beloved wife, jokingly,
a situation of "Clint, anything wrong with your cell phone - which calls the
planet no problem ..."

(In all honesty, my wife is much more knowledgable than that ... she
only "fakes" being surprised by what ham FM sats accomplish."

And so it goes ...

Clint



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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 23:32:49 -0500
From: "George Henry" <ka3hsw@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ARISSat-1/RadioSkaf-V Deployment date?
To: "amsat bb" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <5DCA7947594542B6A9545B55E5AB5B4D@xxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original

Good question...  after the "test" prior to "Yuri's Day" the battery was
apparently depleted.  Whether it has been recharged or replaced, who knows?
I'd still like to know whether NASA ever signed off on powering up the
satellite inside the space station...  seems like much of the time Roscosmos
forgets that they have PARTNERS in this venture.

George, KA3HSW



----- Original Message -----
From: "R Oler" <orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: <gouldsmi@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>; "Amsat BB" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 11:03 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ARISSat-1/RadioSkaf-V Deployment date?


>
> Do we know ARISSAT works?  Robert G. Oler WB5MZO Life Member AMSAT ARRL
> NARS
>
>> From: gouldsmi@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
>> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
>> Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 13:00:44 -0400
>> Subject: [amsat-bb]  ARISSat-1/RadioSkaf-V Deployment date?
>>
>> I would like to be able to give a firm date for the ARISSat deployment,
>> but
>> there are a few issues that make that a moving target.
>> The deployment is scheduled to occur during Russian EVA 29, today that is
>> 27
>> July 2011.
>> >From a teleconference last week there was a notice that the EVA may be
>> pushed back a week or two if the Shuttle arrives in early July- nothing
>> firm
>> yet.
>> We have another teleconference 6 July. I will release any probable dates
>> or
>> updates when I know them.  Thank you for your patience.
>>
>> 73,
>> Gould, WA4SXM
>> AMSAT ARISSat project manager



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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2011 23:15:43 -0700
From: Dave Guimont <dguimon1@xxx.xx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb]  FM satellites
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <BA.13.03893.C8DF31E4@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed


I've worked every ham satellite that has been launched since I got on
Oscar 7, cw, most of my gear at that time home brew in 1980.

For the life of me I cannot see any difference in pushing a button on
an FM bird than operating a cell phone, except that it is a 2 user
operation and the time available is limited...

Waste of good AMSAT funds......skill level 1, on a 1 to 10 basis...



            73, Dave, WB6LLO
                dguimon1@xxx.xx.xxx

                    Disagree: I learn....

               Pulling for P3E...



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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 11:43:16 +0300
From: Ari Kosonen <ari.kosonen@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Trio TR 9300
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID:
<CA+SCk=rVXyUg6fyHWb-A=cLN2GdGaLa-3UMQuAij6WOKBwFwgQ@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

> > Does anyone on the bb have an english version of the operators manual for
> a Trio
> > TR9300 6m radio
>


> IIRC the TR9300 is much the same as the TR9000 2m and TR9500 70cm rig.
>  Perhaps the manual from one of these would be "close enough".
>

Here is the manual for TR-9000, it's probably quite relevant for '9300 as
Gordon suggested:
http://www.rigpix.com/kenwood/tr9000_manual.pdf

73 de Ari OH3KAV


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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 05:23:38 -0500
From: "rnutter@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx <rnutter@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FM satellites
To: Dave Guimont <dguimon1@xxx.xx.xxx>
Cc: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <66C4C4E0-5C17-4FD1-B0EE-853EAF513C01@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=us-ascii

I have to disagree. Have you tried working one of the FM birds using a 2
watt ht and a whip antenna ?  The  FM birds are something I can work while
traveling. Have been able to find a SSB setup that is compact enough to
carry on a plane.

Look at this from an emergency perspective. If you only had an ht and
couldnt access a repeater, you woul at least have a chance to get help on a
satellite pass.

Ron
Ka4kyi

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 6, 2011, at 1:15 AM, Dave Guimont <dguimon1@xxx.xx.xxx> wrote:

>
> I've worked every ham satellite that has been launched since I got on
> Oscar 7, cw, most of my gear at that time home brew in 1980.
>
> For the life of me I cannot see any difference in pushing a button on
> an FM bird than operating a cell phone, except that it is a 2 user
> operation and the time available is limited...
>
> Waste of good AMSAT funds......skill level 1, on a 1 to 10 basis...
>
>
>
>            73, Dave, WB6LLO
>                dguimon1@xxx.xx.xxx
>
>                    Disagree: I learn....
>
>               Pulling for P3E...
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb



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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2011 07:42:39 -0400
From: "Peter Portanova" <wb2oqq@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FM satellites
To: "Dave Guimont" <dguimon1@xxx.xx.xxx>
Cc: AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
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Dave,

I'm not about to convert you to the FM satellites, you were very fortunate
to operate during the halcyon period for amateur satellites.  However, we
want to keep amateur satellites in space, and we must deal with the current
economic situation.  It is a thrill for me to teach someone how to operate
thru an FM satellite with an HT in their yard and experience that excitement
thru them.

Dave, I can understand your position on how easy it is for you to operate an
FM satellite, it may be that you have an Oscar station which would make it
"boring" and too easy for you.

Here is a challenge, Tim Lilley, N3TL earned the Oscar Satellite
Communications award using only 50 mW and a hand held antenna for all his
contacts, give it a try and report back how "easy" that is to accomplish.

73's Pete
WB2OQQ
www.massapequanyweather.com



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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 08:00:15 -0400
From: Stuart Balanger <wa2bss@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb]  Kamtronics Question & Suggestion
To: AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
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*Question?
I have a Kamtronics Packet Commtroler (3Plus" & on the back,
there are 2 computer jacks, 1 has about 15 holes, 8 on top,
& 7 on bottom, & a 9 hole jack, 5 on top & 4 on bottom, & was
& was wondering where the 2 resptive cables go  tp?
Also, was wondering if Kamtronics has a home page?
(Suggestion)
For mext yr's Symposium location be in Huntsville,Al.!  (Which I discovered
is Bet. Birmingham, & Mobile,Al.)
                                       73,.Stu (WA2BSS)
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