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Today's Topics:
1. 2M1EUB/P EU10 UPDATE 3/july (paul robinson)
2. Re: A Proposal for ARISS (Edward R. Cole)
3. Re: FW: A Proposal for ARISS (Dee)
4. Re: A Proposal for ARISS (i8cvs)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 07:44:15 +0100 (BST)
From: paul robinson <pushbiker2004@xxxxx.xx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] 2M1EUB/P EU10 UPDATE 3/july
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Hi group just an update,
leaving for EU10 early sunday morning abt 600mile drive ,so dont expect much
action the first day!
will catch the ferry i hope on monday next ...then first stop will be the
island of SOUTH UIST.moving up wards to HARRIS and then LEWIS ,ill put as
much time in on AO7 mode A and B as poss AND FO29? etc ..this will be a 14
day opp so ill be around at least a week on the islands then moving north
,and back down the east . hope to be qrv on 145.847? usb mode B AO7 and
around .50 on mode A.
?
HOPE TO BE QRV FROM? IO67OV,IO68TF,IO67VJ AND OTHERS
?
DE PAUL???? 2E1EUB////2M1EUB/P
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 23:52:04 -0800
From: "Edward R. Cole" <kl7uw@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: A Proposal for ARISS
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Well, it didn't take Amsat officials long to shoot down the proposal
and tell me that ARISS does not stand for amateur radio use on
ISS. ARISS is a free use of ham radio for PR under the guise of
educational outreach.
Probably payback for cancelling my membership after 25-years and
resigning as Field Op (their rules). I found that I enjoy eating and
having a roof over my head in my retirement so had to make a choice
on what I spend money.
This may very well be my final post on amsat-bb ...25-years
Notice that my services are no longer free ....$150/hour for technical help
73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2011 11:38:23 -0400
From: Dee <morsesat@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FW: A Proposal for ARISS
To: "'Anthony Monteiro'" <aa2tx@xxxxxxx.xxx>, "'Edward R. Cole'"
<kl7uw@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Tony,
Thanks for giving this some credence. Although AMSAT is a supporter of
ARISS, We are NOT ARISS. There are members of our group that assist with
decisions and actually supply some of the required gear. ARISS must stand
for an educational aspect working along with the Astronauts. Yes, the
ARISSat project seemed to be turned into an add on by the other users of the
International Space Station but hopefully will be redirected back into what
it was intended to do. This should have been done a while ago and now we
are in the summer hiatus of American schools and hopefully will be
functioning at the opening of the school session later this year. See ANS
184 for update on this.
Let us insure that the AMSAT goals of future satellites are still primarily
at the top of the list. It is because of volunteers like Tony that we keep
activities growing.
See you on the birds.
73,
Dee, NB2F
Dear Friends,
It is important to understand that ARISS is not AMSAT.
From the ARISS web page:
"ARISS, (Amateur Radio on the International Space Station) is a program that
offers an opportunity for students to experience the excitement of Amateur
Radio by talking directly with crewmembers of the ISS (International Space
Station). Teachers, parents and communities will see how Amateur Radio can
energize youngsters about science, technology, and learning. Speaking with
astronauts and other crewmembers is a unique educational experience. ARISS
would like to take this opportunity to involve large numbers of individuals,
particularly youth, in technology and the International space program with
the help of Amateur Radio."
The primary reason NASA supports ARISS is to promote their Science,
Technology, Engineering and Math (STEM) education initiatives.
This is also true of our Russian friends at RSC-Energia and the other
members of ARISS International.
So, please excuse my bluntness here, but a transponder that is solely for
the benefit of hams to contact each other, is just not going to "fly" as an
ARISS project as it does not support the program mission.
AMSAT has supported the ARISS program because of the opportunity to put ham
radio hardware in space, including ARISSat-1, without having to pay launch
costs. These costs really are "astronomical." There is no chance we could
afford put any hardware on the ISS without it being a part of the ARISS
program.
P3E sits on the ground because it costs far more than hams could possibly
afford to pay to launch it into orbit. AMSAT-DL has done a great job
promoting the science mission aspects of P3E in an attempt to get government
funding for it but so far, it has been to no avail.
We certainly all wish them luck but realistically, it is a very tough
environment.
The primary reason AMSAT is pursuing the Fox program is because we CAN
actually afford the launch costs. Although the very tiny size of a CubeSat
(4" x 4" x 4") makes it technically very challenging because we want to
actually make contacts through it not just listen to it beep, you can be
assured that it will not sit on the shelf for lack of a launch.
I hope this helps to clarify the situation.
The next AMSAT Journal issue will have a report on my recent participation
at the Small Payload Rideshare Conference. Several of the presentations
included ballpark launch cost numbers for small satellites. The numbers
(like $10M+) are eyepopping to say the least.
It is clear that AMSAT has to take an opportunistic approach and pursue all
of the opportunities we can find for low-cost or free launches.
73,
Tony AA2TX
AMSAT, VP Engineering
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On 7/1/2011 7:03 PM, Edward R. Cole wrote:
> Dee,
>
> Thanks. Not sure this a SAREX Project but will let them decide that.
>
> My only thought is a new satellite must find a launch and launch
> money. MY proposal would get a ride to ISS with cargo. I am not
> minimizing the issues for placing ham satellite on ISS, but I think
> the concept has promise.
>
> If Fox or P3E sit on the shelf for 5-10 years for lack of a launch
> maybe better redirected for ISS. Not my call, obviously.
>
> 73, Ed - KL7UW
> PS: some of us are getting old and may not still be here in 10-years?
>
> At 02:19 PM 7/1/2011, you wrote:
>> Redirected to the SAREX group. I do not agree with all of these
>> point, however, No standing program should be de funded to do these.
>> Get another satellite up ASAP is AMSAT's main goal.
>> 73,
>> Dee, NB2F
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx
>> On Behalf Of Edward R. Cole
>> Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 4:55 PM
>> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
>> Subject: [amsat-bb] A Proposal for ARISS
>>
>> After posting some thoughts a few days ago (RE: ISS, what the heck
>> happened?), I have given the idea more consideration.
>>
>> Proposal (ARISS on ISS):
>> 1) Install a 100-KHz transponder unit on ISS, with usual digital
>> beacon/engineering
>> 2) It would run mode-UV
>> 3) Installed internally in the ISS
>> 4) Replace most of the current ISS ham radio equipment
>> 5) Could be considered an upgrade/improvement to the existing ham
>> radio on ISS
>> 6) Use ISS power and existing ham radio antenna infrastructure (no
>> solar panels)(no thermal requirements for space environ)(perhaps less
>> radiation
>> hardening)
>> 7) Use batteries for stand-alone operation (recharged from ISS
>> power)
>> 8) Control commanded from ground (no intervention required by
>> astronauts)
>> 9) Local access for use of astronaut-hams
>> 10) Provide emergency back-up comms for ISS (perhaps with a separate
>> FM
>> channel)
>> 11) (perhaps) Use of existing ham-radio handheld on ISS on low-power
>> to dedicated receiver which would activate astronaut repeater channel.
>> 12) This FM channel could be used as FM ham repeater when not in use
>> by astronauts (means world-wide monitoring for the astronauts as
>> well as normal Leo FM activity)
>> 13) Modular design for future upgrades and/or repair (easy
>> installation by
>> astronauts-plug*n*play)
>> 14) Segmented pass-band to allow packet/APRS digipeating
>> 15) Transmitters able to be shut down for eva and other critical
>> missions either locally on ISS or from ground.
>> 16) Perhaps a special Rx/Tx on ISS eva channel for cross-band repeat
>> in event of loss of atmosphere emergency (help to sell the concept to
>> NASA as a comms back-up).
>> 17) No need for orientation (spin or de-spin), rad hardening,
>> thermal structures (air-cooled), no propulsion, no launch requirements.
>> 18) Easily maintained by supply from ground (repairs or upgrades).
>> 19) Long-Life
>>
>> Re-direct of either Fox or P3E efforts? (no launch requirement-rides
>> as cargo to ISS)
>>
>>
>> 73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45
>> ======================================
>> BP40IQ 500 KHz - 10-GHz www.kl7uw.com
>> EME: 50-1.1kw?, 144-1.4kw, 432-100w, 1296-60w, 3400-?
>> DUBUS Magazine USA Rep dubususa@xxxxx.xxx
>> ======================================
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>
>
> 73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 19:13:42 +0200
From: "i8cvs" <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: A Proposal for ARISS
To: "Amsat - BBs" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>, "Edward R. Cole"
<kl7uw@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
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Hi Ed, KL7UW
Your proposal (ARISS on ISS) is so clear that I cannot understand
why some AMSAT, VP Engineers do not completely agree with you.
Following their answere to you they seems to be more lawyers than
engineers.
You are right Ed when you writes..............
"If Fox or P3E sit on the shelf for 5-10 years for lack of a launch
maybe better redirected for ISS. Not my call, obviously."
PS: some of us are getting old and may not still be here in 10-years?
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Edward R. Cole" <kl7uw@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 10:54 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] A Proposal for ARISS
> After posting some thoughts a few days ago (RE: ISS, what the heck
> happened?), I have given the idea more consideration.
>
> Proposal (ARISS on ISS):
> 1) Install a 100-KHz transponder unit on ISS, with usual digital
> beacon/engineering
> 2) It would run mode-UV
> 3) Installed internally in the ISS
> 4) Replace most of the current ISS ham radio equipment
> 5) Could be considered an upgrade/improvement to the existing ham radio
> on ISS
> 6) Use ISS power and existing ham radio antenna infrastructure (no
> solar panels)(no thermal requirements for space environ)(perhaps less
> radiation hardening)
> 7) Use batteries for stand-alone operation (recharged from ISS power)
> 8) Control commanded from ground (no intervention required by astronauts)
> 9) Local access for use of astronaut-hams
> 10) Provide emergency back-up comms for ISS (perhaps with a separate
> FM channel)
> 11) (perhaps) Use of existing ham-radio handheld on ISS on low-power
> to dedicated receiver which would activate astronaut repeater channel.
> 12) This FM channel could be used as FM ham repeater when not in use
> by astronauts (means world-wide monitoring for the astronauts as
> well as normal Leo FM activity)
> 13) Modular design for future upgrades and/or repair (easy
> installation by astronauts-plug*n*play)
> 14) Segmented pass-band to allow packet/APRS digipeating
> 15) Transmitters able to be shut down for eva and other critical
> missions either locally on ISS or from ground.
> 16) Perhaps a special Rx/Tx on ISS eva channel for cross-band repeat
> in event of loss of atmosphere emergency (help to sell the concept to
> NASA as a comms back-up).
> 17) No need for orientation (spin or de-spin), rad hardening,
> thermal structures (air-cooled), no propulsion, no launch requirements.
> 18) Easily maintained by supply from ground (repairs or upgrades).
> 19) Long-Life
>
> Re-direct of either Fox or P3E efforts? (no launch requirement-rides
> as cargo to ISS)
>
>
> 73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45
> ======================================
> BP40IQ 500 KHz - 10-GHz www.kl7uw.com
> EME: 50-1.1kw?, 144-1.4kw, 432-100w, 1296-60w, 3400-?
> DUBUS Magazine USA Rep dubususa@xxxxx.xxx
> ======================================
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