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Today's Topics:
1. A Proposal for ARISS (Edward R. Cole)
2. Re: A Proposal for ARISS (jmfranke)
3. FW: A Proposal for ARISS (Dee)
4. Re: A Proposal for ARISS (Jim Jerzycke)
5. Re: FW: A Proposal for ARISS (Edward R. Cole)
6. Re: FW: A Proposal for ARISS (JoAnne Maenpaa)
7. Alan- Win7 32bit (Donald Pittman)
8. Re: A Proposal for ARISS (g0mrf@xxx.xxxx
9. Re: FW: A Proposal for ARISS (Dee)
10. Re: Packet via ISS (R Oler)
11. Re: FW: A Proposal for ARISS (Anthony Monteiro)
12. Re: Problem with registering WiSP using WIN7 (George Henry)
13. Re: A Proposal for ARISS (i8cvs)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 12:54:34 -0800
From: "Edward R. Cole" <kl7uw@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] A Proposal for ARISS
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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After posting some thoughts a few days ago (RE: ISS, what the heck
happened?), I have given the idea more consideration.
Proposal (ARISS on ISS):
1) Install a 100-KHz transponder unit on ISS, with usual digital
beacon/engineering
2) It would run mode-UV
3) Installed internally in the ISS
4) Replace most of the current ISS ham radio equipment
5) Could be considered an upgrade/improvement to the existing ham radio on
ISS
6) Use ISS power and existing ham radio antenna infrastructure (no
solar panels)(no thermal requirements for space environ)(perhaps less
radiation hardening)
7) Use batteries for stand-alone operation (recharged from ISS power)
8) Control commanded from ground (no intervention required by astronauts)
9) Local access for use of astronaut-hams
10) Provide emergency back-up comms for ISS (perhaps with a separate
FM channel)
11) (perhaps) Use of existing ham-radio handheld on ISS on low-power
to dedicated receiver which would activate astronaut repeater channel.
12) This FM channel could be used as FM ham repeater when not in use
by astronauts (means world-wide monitoring for the astronauts as
well as normal Leo FM activity)
13) Modular design for future upgrades and/or repair (easy
installation by astronauts-plug*n*play)
14) Segmented pass-band to allow packet/APRS digipeating
15) Transmitters able to be shut down for eva and other critical
missions either locally on ISS or from ground.
16) Perhaps a special Rx/Tx on ISS eva channel for cross-band repeat
in event of loss of atmosphere emergency (help to sell the concept to
NASA as a comms back-up).
17) No need for orientation (spin or de-spin), rad hardening,
thermal structures (air-cooled), no propulsion, no launch requirements.
18) Easily maintained by supply from ground (repairs or upgrades).
19) Long-Life
Re-direct of either Fox or P3E efforts? (no launch requirement-rides
as cargo to ISS)
73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 17:08:22 -0400
From: "jmfranke" <jmfranke@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: A Proposal for ARISS
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>, "Edward R. Cole" <kl7uw@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
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Good thoughts! Echoes and elaborates on my email.
John WA4WDL
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From: "Edward R. Cole" <kl7uw@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 4:54 PM
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] A Proposal for ARISS
> After posting some thoughts a few days ago (RE: ISS, what the heck
> happened?), I have given the idea more consideration.
>
> Proposal (ARISS on ISS):
> 1) Install a 100-KHz transponder unit on ISS, with usual digital
> beacon/engineering
> 2) It would run mode-UV
> 3) Installed internally in the ISS
> 4) Replace most of the current ISS ham radio equipment
> 5) Could be considered an upgrade/improvement to the existing ham radio
> on ISS
> 6) Use ISS power and existing ham radio antenna infrastructure (no
> solar panels)(no thermal requirements for space environ)(perhaps less
> radiation hardening)
> 7) Use batteries for stand-alone operation (recharged from ISS power)
> 8) Control commanded from ground (no intervention required by astronauts)
> 9) Local access for use of astronaut-hams
> 10) Provide emergency back-up comms for ISS (perhaps with a separate
> FM channel)
> 11) (perhaps) Use of existing ham-radio handheld on ISS on low-power
> to dedicated receiver which would activate astronaut repeater channel.
> 12) This FM channel could be used as FM ham repeater when not in use
> by astronauts (means world-wide monitoring for the astronauts as
> well as normal Leo FM activity)
> 13) Modular design for future upgrades and/or repair (easy
> installation by astronauts-plug*n*play)
> 14) Segmented pass-band to allow packet/APRS digipeating
> 15) Transmitters able to be shut down for eva and other critical
> missions either locally on ISS or from ground.
> 16) Perhaps a special Rx/Tx on ISS eva channel for cross-band repeat
> in event of loss of atmosphere emergency (help to sell the concept to
> NASA as a comms back-up).
> 17) No need for orientation (spin or de-spin), rad hardening,
> thermal structures (air-cooled), no propulsion, no launch requirements.
> 18) Easily maintained by supply from ground (repairs or upgrades).
> 19) Long-Life
>
> Re-direct of either Fox or P3E efforts? (no launch requirement-rides
> as cargo to ISS)
>
>
> 73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45
> ======================================
> BP40IQ 500 KHz - 10-GHz www.kl7uw.com
> EME: 50-1.1kw?, 144-1.4kw, 432-100w, 1296-60w, 3400-?
> DUBUS Magazine USA Rep dubususa@xxxxx.xxx
> ======================================
>
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 18:19:52 -0400
From: Dee <morsesat@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] FW: A Proposal for ARISS
To: sarex@xxxxx.xxx
Cc: Amsat BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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Redirected to the SAREX group. I do not agree with all of these point,
however, No standing program should be de funded to do these. Get another
satellite up ASAP is AMSAT's main goal.
73,
Dee, NB2F
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Edward R. Cole
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 4:55 PM
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] A Proposal for ARISS
After posting some thoughts a few days ago (RE: ISS, what the heck
happened?), I have given the idea more consideration.
Proposal (ARISS on ISS):
1) Install a 100-KHz transponder unit on ISS, with usual digital
beacon/engineering
2) It would run mode-UV
3) Installed internally in the ISS
4) Replace most of the current ISS ham radio equipment
5) Could be considered an upgrade/improvement to the existing ham radio on
ISS
6) Use ISS power and existing ham radio antenna infrastructure (no solar
panels)(no thermal requirements for space environ)(perhaps less radiation
hardening)
7) Use batteries for stand-alone operation (recharged from ISS power)
8) Control commanded from ground (no intervention required by astronauts)
9) Local access for use of astronaut-hams
10) Provide emergency back-up comms for ISS (perhaps with a separate FM
channel)
11) (perhaps) Use of existing ham-radio handheld on ISS on low-power to
dedicated receiver which would activate astronaut repeater channel.
12) This FM channel could be used as FM ham repeater when not in use by
astronauts (means world-wide monitoring for the astronauts as well as
normal Leo FM activity)
13) Modular design for future upgrades and/or repair (easy installation by
astronauts-plug*n*play)
14) Segmented pass-band to allow packet/APRS digipeating
15) Transmitters able to be shut down for eva and other critical missions
either locally on ISS or from ground.
16) Perhaps a special Rx/Tx on ISS eva channel for cross-band repeat in
event of loss of atmosphere emergency (help to sell the concept to NASA as a
comms back-up).
17) No need for orientation (spin or de-spin), rad hardening, thermal
structures (air-cooled), no propulsion, no launch requirements.
18) Easily maintained by supply from ground (repairs or upgrades).
19) Long-Life
Re-direct of either Fox or P3E efforts? (no launch requirement-rides as
cargo to ISS)
73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 22:23:19 +0000
From: Jim Jerzycke <kq6ea@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: A Proposal for ARISS
To: "Edward R. Cole" <kl7uw@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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That's one of those stunningly simple "Why haven't we already done it?"
type of ideas.
I'd GLADLY support a project like this with money.
Anybody else?
Jim KQ6EA
On 07/01/2011 08:54 PM, Edward R. Cole wrote:
> After posting some thoughts a few days ago (RE: ISS, what the heck
> happened?), I have given the idea more consideration.
>
> Proposal (ARISS on ISS):
> 1) Install a 100-KHz transponder unit on ISS, with usual digital
> beacon/engineering
> 2) It would run mode-UV
> 3) Installed internally in the ISS
> 4) Replace most of the current ISS ham radio equipment
> 5) Could be considered an upgrade/improvement to the existing ham radio
on ISS
> 6) Use ISS power and existing ham radio antenna infrastructure (no
> solar panels)(no thermal requirements for space environ)(perhaps less
> radiation hardening)
> 7) Use batteries for stand-alone operation (recharged from ISS power)
> 8) Control commanded from ground (no intervention required by astronauts)
> 9) Local access for use of astronaut-hams
> 10) Provide emergency back-up comms for ISS (perhaps with a separate
> FM channel)
> 11) (perhaps) Use of existing ham-radio handheld on ISS on low-power
> to dedicated receiver which would activate astronaut repeater channel.
> 12) This FM channel could be used as FM ham repeater when not in use
> by astronauts (means world-wide monitoring for the astronauts as
> well as normal Leo FM activity)
> 13) Modular design for future upgrades and/or repair (easy
> installation by astronauts-plug*n*play)
> 14) Segmented pass-band to allow packet/APRS digipeating
> 15) Transmitters able to be shut down for eva and other critical
> missions either locally on ISS or from ground.
> 16) Perhaps a special Rx/Tx on ISS eva channel for cross-band repeat
> in event of loss of atmosphere emergency (help to sell the concept to
> NASA as a comms back-up).
> 17) No need for orientation (spin or de-spin), rad hardening,
> thermal structures (air-cooled), no propulsion, no launch requirements.
> 18) Easily maintained by supply from ground (repairs or upgrades).
> 19) Long-Life
>
> Re-direct of either Fox or P3E efforts? (no launch requirement-rides
> as cargo to ISS)
>
>
> 73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45
> ======================================
> BP40IQ 500 KHz - 10-GHz www.kl7uw.com
> EME: 50-1.1kw?, 144-1.4kw, 432-100w, 1296-60w, 3400-?
> DUBUS Magazine USA Rep dubususa@xxxxx.xxx
> ======================================
>
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 15:03:37 -0800
From: "Edward R. Cole" <kl7uw@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FW: A Proposal for ARISS
To: Dee <morsesat@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <201107012303.p61N3bAa028799@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
Dee,
Thanks. Not sure this a SAREX Project but will let them decide that.
My only thought is a new satellite must find a launch and launch
money. MY proposal would get a ride to ISS with cargo. I am not
minimizing the issues for placing ham satellite on ISS, but I think
the concept has promise.
If Fox or P3E sit on the shelf for 5-10 years for lack of a launch
maybe better redirected for ISS. Not my call, obviously.
73, Ed - KL7UW
PS: some of us are getting old and may not still be here in 10-years?
At 02:19 PM 7/1/2011, you wrote:
>Redirected to the SAREX group. I do not agree with all of these point,
>however, No standing program should be de funded to do these. Get another
>satellite up ASAP is AMSAT's main goal.
>73,
>Dee, NB2F
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
>Behalf Of Edward R. Cole
>Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 4:55 PM
>To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
>Subject: [amsat-bb] A Proposal for ARISS
>
>After posting some thoughts a few days ago (RE: ISS, what the heck
>happened?), I have given the idea more consideration.
>
>Proposal (ARISS on ISS):
>1) Install a 100-KHz transponder unit on ISS, with usual digital
>beacon/engineering
>2) It would run mode-UV
>3) Installed internally in the ISS
>4) Replace most of the current ISS ham radio equipment
>5) Could be considered an upgrade/improvement to the existing ham radio on
>ISS
>6) Use ISS power and existing ham radio antenna infrastructure (no solar
>panels)(no thermal requirements for space environ)(perhaps less radiation
>hardening)
>7) Use batteries for stand-alone operation (recharged from ISS power)
>8) Control commanded from ground (no intervention required by astronauts)
>9) Local access for use of astronaut-hams
>10) Provide emergency back-up comms for ISS (perhaps with a separate FM
>channel)
>11) (perhaps) Use of existing ham-radio handheld on ISS on low-power to
>dedicated receiver which would activate astronaut repeater channel.
>12) This FM channel could be used as FM ham repeater when not in use by
>astronauts (means world-wide monitoring for the astronauts as well as
>normal Leo FM activity)
>13) Modular design for future upgrades and/or repair (easy installation by
>astronauts-plug*n*play)
>14) Segmented pass-band to allow packet/APRS digipeating
>15) Transmitters able to be shut down for eva and other critical missions
>either locally on ISS or from ground.
>16) Perhaps a special Rx/Tx on ISS eva channel for cross-band repeat in
>event of loss of atmosphere emergency (help to sell the concept to NASA as a
>comms back-up).
>17) No need for orientation (spin or de-spin), rad hardening, thermal
>structures (air-cooled), no propulsion, no launch requirements.
>18) Easily maintained by supply from ground (repairs or upgrades).
>19) Long-Life
>
>Re-direct of either Fox or P3E efforts? (no launch requirement-rides as
>cargo to ISS)
>
>
>73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45
>======================================
>BP40IQ 500 KHz - 10-GHz www.kl7uw.com
>EME: 50-1.1kw?, 144-1.4kw, 432-100w, 1296-60w, 3400-?
>DUBUS Magazine USA Rep dubususa@xxxxx.xxx
>======================================
>
>_______________________________________________
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73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 18:26:57 -0500
From: "JoAnne Maenpaa" <k9jkm@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FW: A Proposal for ARISS
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <003501cc3846$607cf590$2176e0b0$@xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Ed mentioned ...
> My only thought is a new satellite must find a launch and launch
> money. MY proposal would get a ride to ISS with cargo.
One fact in today's launch environment is that a single-purposed mission
goal such as 'contacts-with-a-bunch-of-ham-radio-operators' will have little
chance of success.
The key element to getting AMSAT satellites launched is we need to have a
strong link to NASA's Science, Technology, Engineering, and Math (STEM)
guidelines. Could we improve upon the RF link for school contacts? When
there aren't school contacts then our proposed transponder could be
re-purposed for our ham activity.
>From what I've read in the specifications, the software defined transponder
on ARISSat-1/RadioSkaf-V is a flying prototype of an AMSAT flexible SDX
(linear, FM, digital). The AMSAT package also includes power management, IHU
and an interface to potentially STEM-financed experiments ... compare that
to other transponders that provide an RF-only PC board.
This could be a "next-logical-step"!
--
73 de JoAnne K9JKM
k9jkm@xxxxx.xxx
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 19:35:20 -0400
From: Donald Pittman <don1018@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Alan- Win7 32bit
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <CA33D1F8.1651%don1018@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Isn't it fun be glad you did not go to win7 64, The world of computers is
changing and we all still have the old systems. I just get a TNC working in
win7 64 with Putty and hook it all up,get ready to go and of corse
nothing works again. But its the challenge right ? :-)
We just keep on having fun solving the puzzles.
-73 WB8ZOM Don
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 19:52:43 -0400
From: g0mrf@xxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: A Proposal for ARISS
To: kl7uw@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <8CE06611ADF57B8-1308-7E82@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx.xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Nice wish list Ed. A well thought out inventory of kit.
I recall 2 years ago I had some communication with some current and
ex-members of ARISS and came up with something similar. Unfortunately, and
hopefully this has now changed, I was left with the impression that ARISS
was not AMSAT. That space tested transponders were not wanted and the ideal
solution was a new D-800 (or should that be D-700) with a big fan and
modified firmware.
I decided that it was not worth continuing the conversation and waited for
time to pass.
Sadly Europe is not doing any better. Thousands of dollars worth of
antennas on the exterior of the Columbus module and not a single piece of
radio hardware in sight. Years of wasted opportunity. I now just apologise
to those members of the microwave community here who contributed to the
antennas.
Thank heavens for ARISSat-1 though, a glimmer of hope for all of us.
David
-----Original Message-----
From: Edward R. Cole <kl7uw@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Sent: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 21:54
Subject: [amsat-bb] A Proposal for ARISS
After posting some thoughts a few days ago (RE: ISS, what the heck
happened?), I have given the idea more consideration.
Proposal (ARISS on ISS):
1) Install a 100-KHz transponder unit on ISS, with usual digital
beacon/engineering
2) It would run mode-UV
3) Installed internally in the ISS
4) Replace most of the current ISS ham radio equipment
5) Could be considered an upgrade/improvement to the existing ham radio on
ISS
6) Use ISS power and existing ham radio antenna infrastructure (no
solar panels)(no thermal requirements for space environ)(perhaps less
radiation hardening)
7) Use batteries for stand-alone operation (recharged from ISS power)
8) Control commanded from ground (no intervention required by astronauts)
9) Local access for use of astronaut-hams
10) Provide emergency back-up comms for ISS (perhaps with a separate
FM channel)
11) (perhaps) Use of existing ham-radio handheld on ISS on low-power
to dedicated receiver which would activate astronaut repeater channel.
12) This FM channel could be used as FM ham repeater when not in use
by astronauts (means world-wide monitoring for the astronauts as
well as normal Leo FM activity)
13) Modular design for future upgrades and/or repair (easy
installation by astronauts-plug*n*play)
14) Segmented pass-band to allow packet/APRS digipeating
15) Transmitters able to be shut down for eva and other critical
missions either locally on ISS or from ground.
16) Perhaps a special Rx/Tx on ISS eva channel for cross-band repeat
in event of loss of atmosphere emergency (help to sell the concept to
NASA as a comms back-up).
17) No need for orientation (spin or de-spin), rad hardening,
thermal structures (air-cooled), no propulsion, no launch requirements.
18) Easily maintained by supply from ground (repairs or upgrades).
19) Long-Life
Re-direct of either Fox or P3E efforts? (no launch requirement-rides
as cargo to ISS)
73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45
======================================
BP40IQ 500 KHz - 10-GHz www.kl7uw.com
EME: 50-1.1kw?, 144-1.4kw, 432-100w, 1296-60w, 3400-?
DUBUS Magazine USA Rep dubususa@xxxxx.xxx
======================================
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 20:03:00 -0400
From: Dee <morsesat@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FW: A Proposal for ARISS
To: "'Edward R. Cole'" <kl7uw@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Ed,
I have to agree with you about the last P.S.
Some of "us" are getting old and may NOT be here in 10years!!
Dee
-----Original Message-----
From: Edward R. Cole [mailto:kl7uw@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 7:04 PM
To: Dee
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FW: A Proposal for ARISS
Dee,
Thanks. Not sure this a SAREX Project but will let them decide that.
My only thought is a new satellite must find a launch and launch money. MY
proposal would get a ride to ISS with cargo. I am not minimizing the issues
for placing ham satellite on ISS, but I think the concept has promise.
If Fox or P3E sit on the shelf for 5-10 years for lack of a launch maybe
better redirected for ISS. Not my call, obviously.
73, Ed - KL7UW
PS: some of us are getting old and may not still be here in 10-years?
At 02:19 PM 7/1/2011, you wrote:
>Redirected to the SAREX group. I do not agree with all of these point,
>however, No standing program should be de funded to do these. Get
>another satellite up ASAP is AMSAT's main goal.
>73,
>Dee, NB2F
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
>Behalf Of Edward R. Cole
>Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 4:55 PM
>To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
>Subject: [amsat-bb] A Proposal for ARISS
>
>After posting some thoughts a few days ago (RE: ISS, what the heck
>happened?), I have given the idea more consideration.
>
>Proposal (ARISS on ISS):
>1) Install a 100-KHz transponder unit on ISS, with usual digital
>beacon/engineering
>2) It would run mode-UV
>3) Installed internally in the ISS
>4) Replace most of the current ISS ham radio equipment
>5) Could be considered an upgrade/improvement to the existing ham
>radio on ISS
>6) Use ISS power and existing ham radio antenna infrastructure (no
>solar panels)(no thermal requirements for space environ)(perhaps less
>radiation
>hardening)
>7) Use batteries for stand-alone operation (recharged from ISS power)
>8) Control commanded from ground (no intervention required by
>astronauts)
>9) Local access for use of astronaut-hams
>10) Provide emergency back-up comms for ISS (perhaps with a separate
>FM
>channel)
>11) (perhaps) Use of existing ham-radio handheld on ISS on low-power
>to dedicated receiver which would activate astronaut repeater channel.
>12) This FM channel could be used as FM ham repeater when not in use
>by astronauts (means world-wide monitoring for the astronauts as well
>as normal Leo FM activity)
>13) Modular design for future upgrades and/or repair (easy
>installation by
>astronauts-plug*n*play)
>14) Segmented pass-band to allow packet/APRS digipeating
>15) Transmitters able to be shut down for eva and other critical
>missions either locally on ISS or from ground.
>16) Perhaps a special Rx/Tx on ISS eva channel for cross-band repeat
>in event of loss of atmosphere emergency (help to sell the concept to
>NASA as a comms back-up).
>17) No need for orientation (spin or de-spin), rad hardening, thermal
>structures (air-cooled), no propulsion, no launch requirements.
>18) Easily maintained by supply from ground (repairs or upgrades).
>19) Long-Life
>
>Re-direct of either Fox or P3E efforts? (no launch requirement-rides
>as cargo to ISS)
>
>
>73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45
>======================================
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 11:57:33 -0500
From: R Oler <orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Packet via ISS
To: <w0jab@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, Amsat BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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John. Actually 27mhz is comparatively mild. When you have an FM system
where there are multiple uplink attempts (which cannot hear each other
trying) and capture effect in play the game is entertaining enough...but
then add in the notion of path loss varying almost to individual data bits
(not only distance changing, but the various antenna fields involved) and
it is an effort really in weak signal work. Power and large antennas are the
great equalizer. Robert G. Oler WB5MZO life member AMSAT ARRL NARS
> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 11:31:53 -0500
> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> From: w0jab@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Packet via ISS
>
> many years ago I would try to get a packet up and down
> with just my location for the map.
>
> But with so so many trying to work DX I have not done it in
> about 8 years.
>
> really 27MHz has nothing on this system.
>
> John, W0JAB
>
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 21:59:14 -0400
From: Anthony Monteiro <aa2tx@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FW: A Proposal for ARISS
To: "Edward R. Cole" <kl7uw@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Dear Friends,
It is important to understand that ARISS is not AMSAT.
From the ARISS web page:
"ARISS, (Amateur Radio on the International Space Station) is a
program that offers an opportunity for students to experience
the excitement of Amateur Radio by talking directly with crewmembers
of the ISS (International Space Station). Teachers, parents and
communities will see how Amateur Radio can energize youngsters
about science, technology, and learning. Speaking with astronauts
and other crewmembers is a unique educational experience. ARISS
would like to take this opportunity to involve large numbers of
individuals, particularly youth, in technology and the International
space program with the help of Amateur Radio."
The primary reason NASA supports ARISS is to promote their Science,
Technology, Engineering and Math (STEM) education initiatives.
This is also true of our Russian friends at RSC-Energia and
the other members of ARISS International.
So, please excuse my bluntness here, but a transponder that is solely
for the benefit of hams to contact each other, is just not going to
"fly" as an ARISS project as it does not support the program mission.
AMSAT has supported the ARISS program because of the opportunity
to put ham radio hardware in space, including ARISSat-1, without having
to pay launch costs. These costs really are "astronomical." There
is no chance we could afford put any hardware on the ISS without it
being a part of the ARISS program.
P3E sits on the ground because it costs far more than hams could
possibly afford to pay to launch it into orbit. AMSAT-DL has done a
great job promoting the science mission aspects of P3E in an attempt
to get government funding for it but so far, it has been to no avail.
We certainly all wish them luck but realistically, it is a very tough
environment.
The primary reason AMSAT is pursuing the Fox program is because we
CAN actually afford the launch costs. Although the very tiny size of
a CubeSat (4" x 4" x 4") makes it technically very challenging because
we want to actually make contacts through it not just listen to it
beep, you can be assured that it will not sit on the shelf for lack
of a launch.
I hope this helps to clarify the situation.
The next AMSAT Journal issue will have a report on my recent
participation at the Small Payload Rideshare Conference. Several
of the presentations included ballpark launch cost numbers for small
satellites. The numbers (like $10M+) are eyepopping to say the least.
It is clear that AMSAT has to take an opportunistic approach and
pursue all of the opportunities we can find for low-cost or free
launches.
73,
Tony AA2TX
AMSAT, VP Engineering
----
On 7/1/2011 7:03 PM, Edward R. Cole wrote:
> Dee,
>
> Thanks. Not sure this a SAREX Project but will let them decide that.
>
> My only thought is a new satellite must find a launch and launch
> money. MY proposal would get a ride to ISS with cargo. I am not
> minimizing the issues for placing ham satellite on ISS, but I think
> the concept has promise.
>
> If Fox or P3E sit on the shelf for 5-10 years for lack of a launch
> maybe better redirected for ISS. Not my call, obviously.
>
> 73, Ed - KL7UW
> PS: some of us are getting old and may not still be here in 10-years?
>
> At 02:19 PM 7/1/2011, you wrote:
>> Redirected to the SAREX group. I do not agree with all of these point,
>> however, No standing program should be de funded to do these. Get another
>> satellite up ASAP is AMSAT's main goal.
>> 73,
>> Dee, NB2F
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
>> Behalf Of Edward R. Cole
>> Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 4:55 PM
>> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
>> Subject: [amsat-bb] A Proposal for ARISS
>>
>> After posting some thoughts a few days ago (RE: ISS, what the heck
>> happened?), I have given the idea more consideration.
>>
>> Proposal (ARISS on ISS):
>> 1) Install a 100-KHz transponder unit on ISS, with usual digital
>> beacon/engineering
>> 2) It would run mode-UV
>> 3) Installed internally in the ISS
>> 4) Replace most of the current ISS ham radio equipment
>> 5) Could be considered an upgrade/improvement to the existing ham radio on
>> ISS
>> 6) Use ISS power and existing ham radio antenna infrastructure (no solar
>> panels)(no thermal requirements for space environ)(perhaps less radiation
>> hardening)
>> 7) Use batteries for stand-alone operation (recharged from ISS power)
>> 8) Control commanded from ground (no intervention required by astronauts)
>> 9) Local access for use of astronaut-hams
>> 10) Provide emergency back-up comms for ISS (perhaps with a separate FM
>> channel)
>> 11) (perhaps) Use of existing ham-radio handheld on ISS on low-power to
>> dedicated receiver which would activate astronaut repeater channel.
>> 12) This FM channel could be used as FM ham repeater when not in use by
>> astronauts (means world-wide monitoring for the astronauts as well as
>> normal Leo FM activity)
>> 13) Modular design for future upgrades and/or repair (easy installation by
>> astronauts-plug*n*play)
>> 14) Segmented pass-band to allow packet/APRS digipeating
>> 15) Transmitters able to be shut down for eva and other critical missions
>> either locally on ISS or from ground.
>> 16) Perhaps a special Rx/Tx on ISS eva channel for cross-band repeat in
>> event of loss of atmosphere emergency (help to sell the concept to NASA
as a
>> comms back-up).
>> 17) No need for orientation (spin or de-spin), rad hardening, thermal
>> structures (air-cooled), no propulsion, no launch requirements.
>> 18) Easily maintained by supply from ground (repairs or upgrades).
>> 19) Long-Life
>>
>> Re-direct of either Fox or P3E efforts? (no launch requirement-rides as
>> cargo to ISS)
>>
>>
>> 73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45
>> ======================================
>> BP40IQ 500 KHz - 10-GHz www.kl7uw.com
>> EME: 50-1.1kw?, 144-1.4kw, 432-100w, 1296-60w, 3400-?
>> DUBUS Magazine USA Rep dubususa@xxxxx.xxx
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>
>
> 73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 23:00:50 -0500
From: "George Henry" <ka3hsw@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Problem with registering WiSP using WIN7
To: <APBIDDLE@xxxxxxx.xxx>, "AMSAT-BB" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <CC3B9017672A4EB3810CA14AA9C0575A@xxxxxxx>
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reply-type=original
If the default installation folder for WiSP is under C:\Program Files,
that's likely your problem. Windows 7 User Account Controls limits certain
write activities to sub-folders under the Program Files folder. Try
uninstalling it, then re-install but DON'T accept the default installation
directory. I set up a Ham Stuff folder in the root directory that I install
everything to, and have not run into any problems.
Or turn off UAC.
George, KA3HSW
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan P. Biddle" <APBIDDLE@xxxxxx.xxx>
To: "AMSAT-BB" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 12:02 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Problem with registering WiSP using WIN7
>I have finally switched to WIN7 32 bit from XP, and have a few odd little
> issues. One is that WiSP no longer recognizes my registration number as
> valid. (Double checked from the original e-mail.)
>
> Possibly a clue is that when I start the program, it already has ALAN-PC
> in
> the Callsign box. That is the name of the PC. Of course I clear it. It
> did register, once, and I _thought_ it was due to the caps lock being off.
> However, when I booted up this morning, it was unregistered and doesn't
> accept the registration with or without the caps lock being on. I did try
> some backward compatability settings, but no help.
>
> Anybody have this happen, with a solution? I am toying with changing the
> name of the machine to WA4SCA, but am holding off until some other support
> issues are solved.
>
>
> Alan
> WA4SCA
>
>
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 06:02:50 +0200
From: "i8cvs" <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: A Proposal for ARISS
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>, "Edward R. Cole" <kl7uw@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <003501cc386c$e97fec00$0401a8c0@xxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hi Ed, KL7UW
I agree !
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Edward R. Cole" <kl7uw@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 10:54 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] A Proposal for ARISS
> After posting some thoughts a few days ago (RE: ISS, what the heck
> happened?), I have given the idea more consideration.
>
> Proposal (ARISS on ISS):
> 1) Install a 100-KHz transponder unit on ISS, with usual digital
> beacon/engineering
> 2) It would run mode-UV
> 3) Installed internally in the ISS
> 4) Replace most of the current ISS ham radio equipment
> 5) Could be considered an upgrade/improvement to the existing ham radio
on ISS
> 6) Use ISS power and existing ham radio antenna infrastructure (no
> solar panels)(no thermal requirements for space environ)(perhaps less
> radiation hardening)
> 7) Use batteries for stand-alone operation (recharged from ISS power)
> 8) Control commanded from ground (no intervention required by astronauts)
> 9) Local access for use of astronaut-hams
> 10) Provide emergency back-up comms for ISS (perhaps with a separate
> FM channel)
> 11) (perhaps) Use of existing ham-radio handheld on ISS on low-power
> to dedicated receiver which would activate astronaut repeater channel.
> 12) This FM channel could be used as FM ham repeater when not in use
> by astronauts (means world-wide monitoring for the astronauts as
> well as normal Leo FM activity)
> 13) Modular design for future upgrades and/or repair (easy
> installation by astronauts-plug*n*play)
> 14) Segmented pass-band to allow packet/APRS digipeating
> 15) Transmitters able to be shut down for eva and other critical
> missions either locally on ISS or from ground.
> 16) Perhaps a special Rx/Tx on ISS eva channel for cross-band repeat
> in event of loss of atmosphere emergency (help to sell the concept to
> NASA as a comms back-up).
> 17) No need for orientation (spin or de-spin), rad hardening,
> thermal structures (air-cooled), no propulsion, no launch requirements.
> 18) Easily maintained by supply from ground (repairs or upgrades).
> 19) Long-Life
>
> Re-direct of either Fox or P3E efforts? (no launch requirement-rides
> as cargo to ISS)
>
>
> 73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45
> ======================================
> BP40IQ 500 KHz - 10-GHz www.kl7uw.com
> EME: 50-1.1kw?, 144-1.4kw, 432-100w, 1296-60w, 3400-?
> DUBUS Magazine USA Rep dubususa@xxxxx.xxx
> ======================================
>
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