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Today's Topics:
1. A Big Thank You for your care of the crippled bird! (James Luhn)
2. Re: FD Mess (Diane Bruce)
3. Re: FD Mess (Joe)
4. Re: FD Mess (Dave Guimont)
5. Re: FD Mess (Joe)
6. Re: FD Mess (Jeff Moore)
7. Re: FD Mess (Joe)
8. ISS something not right (Kevin Deane)
9. A thought and some brags... (was Re: Re: FD Mess)
(Zachary Beougher)
10. Re: FD Mess (John Geiger)
11. Re: How to get started on SSB birds (Edward R. Cole)
12. Re: How to get started on SSB birds (antennas) (Joe Krepps)
13. WD9EWK - Field Day 2011 report (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 17:36:13 -0500
From: James Luhn <luhn@xx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] A Big Thank You for your care of the crippled
bird!
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4E0905DD.7090908@xx.xxx>
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Yes, FD is always a mess. Usually a good mess of food, friends, bugs,
and all. We made a satellite contact through AO-51 running 5-10 watts
with an Arrow antenna. We had quite the audience as everyone wanted to
see a satellite contact made and the audience was also curious why it
took 4 of us to make the contact. We had one to hold the radio, one to
operate the microphone and chase the frequency, one to hold and direct
the antenna, and one to hold a 50lb battery. Did we need 4? of course
not! The excitement of working a satellite simply had everyone focused
on making the contact and not on the fact that the equipment did not
need to be held. Heck, we even had a tripod for the antenna. I'm sure
someone had it in hand too! Through the hard work of those keeping poor
old AO-51 together and operating, we were able to add a whole bunch of
excitement to our FD mess. A big THANK YOU to all involved. Your
efforts are sincerely appreciated. We had a great time at FD.
73,
James
W5AOO
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 18:43:04 -0400
From: Diane Bruce <db@xx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
To: "Majdi S. Abbas" <msa@xxxx.xxx>
Cc: AMSAT <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <20110627224304.GA80850@xxxxx.xx.xxx>
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On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 02:42:19PM -0700, Majdi S. Abbas wrote:
...
>
> Sure, the person operating the radio is trying to collect the
> bonus points for their operation.
>
> But most Field Day operations are a *group* effort. Many of
> the hams present may never have operated a satellite, and if shown
Sure. Both Clare VE3NPC and I have helped our club during field day
in previou years, get at least one contact through a satellite.
It amazes me how many antennas Clare can bring to a field day in the
back of his station wagon. ;-) The FD mess situation is something
we discussed for a few minutes at this years Field Day.
(Note we are both AMSAT coodinators in the Ottawa area)
>
> People who collect bonus points usually go for the public
> location/information table bonus as well, so you may be introducing
> possible future hams to satellite work.
That it might. I always do mention the amateur radio satellites when I do
face-to-face PR at field day.
...
> If the argument is 'show me the data,' feel free to go collect it;
> the published FD scores is a good starting point for reaching out to
> the involved parties. ...
It would be nice if the ARRL could ask for additional data from sat entries.
> Or you could fund a survey.
I've suggested at least informal surveys could be conducted by AMSAT-NA.
I've donated money to AMSAT-NA, our club (http://www.oarc.net) donates money
to AMSAT-NA, surely AMSAT-NA could afford to run a simple e-mail survey.
I'd help do it if I was asked.
> It seems silly to demand that outreach be justified for you;
> without it, you won't need those satellites anyway. Lack of outreach
I've done my share of outreach in my area, that is not what I was demanding.
I am simply asking, "Can we think of ways we can do things better?"
After seeing some other replies the "FD mess", it's rather obvious we
are seeing the symptoms, not the problem. We are failing to educate.
I'm mulling over a few ideas. Perhaps we should ask ARRL to only
give points for GOTA stations on sats? That way we maximise our sat
outreach.
Anyone else have ideas?
>
> 73,
>
> Majdi, N0RMZ
- 73 Diane VA3DB (AMSAT Coordinator, but sure not speaking for AMSAT)
(ex OARC club president, but sure not speaking for them either)
--
- db@xxxxxxx.xxx db@xx.xxx http://www.db.net/~db
Why leave money to our children if we don't leave them the Earth?
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 18:12:23 -0500
From: Joe <nss@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4E090E57.806@xxx.xxx>
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Ok,
The thought there was to promote activity.
OK fine, It's obvious that the FM birds do not have any sort of lack
of activity.
So,,,,
How about for FD and the Amsat FD that the contest QSO's only count if
they are made on a non FM bird?
That would cure the problem of the 11 meter FM birds and promote on the
less used linear birds. It is still a bird QSO but in the spirit of
when it was created when none of these FM birds even existed.
Joe WB9SBD
The Original Rolling Ball Clock
Idle Tyme
Idle-Tyme.com
http://www.idle-tyme.com
On 6/27/2011 1:13 PM, Bill Acito W1PA wrote:
> I did not participate in FD this year, but I have certainly heard my share
of them in recent years.
>
> I think we have to let go of the mantra that ?any use of the bandwidth is
good use? with respect to ?encouraging more satellite activity?. Wasn?t
that the original intent of the ?100 point bonus? items? To encourage
specific activities ? traffic handling, promotion, emergency power, etc.
>
> The FM birds have fixed bandwidth -- nothing we can do. There is no
mechanism to restrict FD stations to only one QSO on any FM bird. If you
read the FD rules, you can make multiple contacts on the SSB birds, and they
do count for QSO credit beyond the 100 point bonus ? you can only make one
QSO on any FM bird:
>
> 7.3.7. Satellite QSO: 100 bonus points for successfully completing at
least one QSO via an
> amateur radio satellite during the Field Day period. "General Rules for
All ARRL Contests" (Rule
> 3.7.2.), (the no-repeater QSO stipulation) is waived for satellite QSOs.
Groups are allowed one
> dedicated satellite transmitter station without increasing their entry
category. Satellite QSOs also
> count for regular QSO credit. Show them listed separately on the summary
sheet as a separate
> "band." You do not receive an additional bonus for contacting different
satellites, though the
> additional QSOs may be counted for QSO credit unless prohibited under Rule
7.3.7.1. The QSO
> must be between two Earth stations through a satellite. Available to
Classes A, B, and F.
> 7.3.7.1 Stations are limited to one (1) completed QSO on any single
channel FM satellite.
>
>
> And there is certainly no mechanism to restrict the ERP that gets used. Is
anyone really surprised it sounds like it does?
>
> IMHO, I think it does more harm than good in promoting this aspect of the
hobby, for a potential newbie to hear the FM birds on FD... restrict
activity to the transponder (SSB/CW) birds and be done with it ? no FM
satellite QSO?s at all during FD. Or have it like the ARRL Bulletin --- RX
only; copy some valid telemetry to get points.
>
> Bill
> W1PA
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 16:20:01 -0700
From: Dave Guimont <dguimon1@xxx.xx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
To: "KM9U" <arskm9u@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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May God Bless You, Chuck.....
North Shores Amateur Radio Club in San Diego won the first AMSAT contest,
and by quite a margin as I remember. Bruce knows all the scores and the year.
And I'm sure it is on our site...
We operated a low power station with two
experienced hamsat operators, with plenty of help
with logging, food, drinks and all the other
"chores", about 15 members total. Antennas were
all homebrew, and the plans for those antennas
are still on my website, and I''ll put it up here after this message.
We were unable to "overpower" anyone, and would
not choose to do so, if we had the power.
We exchanged qsl's with 95% of the contacts (sent
100%) and received cards from many club stations
and individuals that hear us, but were unable to
respond for one reason or another.....
Most of the comments on here just make me ill,
and of course no one is forcing me to read them...
Gad some of you, get a life..., and I've been licensed over 60 years!!!
Do we really need to write more and/or change the rules. We just need to
>obey the rules we learned a long time ago. Really, aren't the rules that
>govern Amateur Radio Etiquette similar to the same rules that we learned in
>Kindergarten?
>"These are the things I learned:
> Share everything.
> Play fair.
> Don't hit people.
> Put things back where you found them.
> Clean up your own mess.
> Don't take things that aren't yours.
> Say you're sorry when you hurt somebody.
> Wash your hands before you eat.
> Flush.
> Warm cookies and cold milk are good for you.
> Live a balanced life - learn some and think some and draw and paint and
>sing and dance and play and work every day some.
> Take a nap every afternoon.
> When you go out in the world, watch out for traffic, hold hands and
>stick together.
> Be aware of wonder. Remember the little seed in the Styrofoam cup: the
>roots go down and the plant goes up and nobody really knows how or why,
>but we are all like that.
> Goldfish and hamsters and white mice and even the little seed in the
>Styrofoam cup - they all die. So do we.
> And then remember the Dick-and-Jane books and the first word you
>learned - the biggest word of all - LOOK."
>Everything you need to know about Ham Radio and life in general is in there
>somewhere. The Golden Rule and love and basic sanitation. Ecology and
>politics and equality and sane living.
>[Source: "ALL I REALLY NEED TO KNOW I LEARNED IN KINDERGARTEN" by Robert
>Fulghum]
>
>;-)) And here's to wishing you a Happy Field Day 2012!
>Chuck, KM9U
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tim Cunningham" <tim_cunningham@xxxxxxx.xxx>
>To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
>Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 17:49
>Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
>
>
>Read the AMSAT rules. The title of the AMSAT rules IS clear when you read
>the title as "2011 AMSAT Field Day Competition ".
>
>
>Tim - N8DEU
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "John Geiger" <aa5jg@xxxxxxx.xxx>
>To: "STeve Andre'" <andres@xxx.xxx>
>Cc: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
>Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 2:11 PM
>Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
>
>
>Of course it isn't a contest. The best evidence is that they print the
>scores in QST!
>
>73s John AA5JG
>
>On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 2:09 PM, STeve Andre' <andres@xxx.xxx> wrote:
>
> > Well, is IS a contest, no matter what the ARRL says. People see it as
> > such.
> > My first FD before I was a ham, looked like a contest to me and it was
> > only
> > later, reading all the ARRL books I could get ahold of that I realized it
> > really wasn't one.
> >
> > All contests where you go outside are test runs for emergency stuff.
> > Our club in Ann Arbor MI (Arrow Communication Association) does the
> > summer vhf+ contests outside (6m-1296) and those have been a great
> > way to figure out ways of doing stuff.
> >
> > I would argue that the ARRL needs to change the way they talk, and
> > offer FD as both a contest and exercise in communications, and
> > speak of the exercise opportunities at the other contests, especially
> > those of rovers.
> >
> > --STeve Andre'
> > wb8wsf en72
> >
> > On 06/27/11 14:21, Nigel Gunn wrote:
> > > A bigger FD problem is that FD is advertised as a chance to demonstrate
> > > your emergency comms ability to Joe Public.
> > > FD is NOT a contest so why are points and bonuses involved at all?
> > >
> > > On 27/06/11 19:13, Bill Acito W1PA wrote:
> > >> I think we have to let go of the mantra that ?any use of the bandwidth
> > is good use? with respect to ?encouraging more satellite activity?. Wasn?t
> > that the original intent of the ?100 point bonus? items? To encourage
> > specific activities ? traffic handling, promotion, emergency power, etc.
> > >>
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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73, Dave, WB6LLO
dguimon1@xxx.xx.xxx
Disagree: I learn....
Pulling for P3E...
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 18:22:59 -0500
From: Joe <nss@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4E0910D3.3090602@xxx.xxx>
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I know the ARRL says it is not a contest. but if you believe that I
have a lovely swamp in Arizona to sell you.
I know many clubs that it is a MAJOR contest for them and some it's the
onluy one they enter in.
Joe WB9SBD
The Original Rolling Ball Clock
Idle Tyme
Idle-Tyme.com
http://www.idle-tyme.com
On 6/27/2011 1:21 PM, Nigel Gunn wrote:
> A bigger FD problem is that FD is advertised as a chance to demonstrate
> your emergency comms ability to Joe Public.
> FD is NOT a contest so why are points and bonuses involved at all?
>
> On 27/06/11 19:13, Bill Acito W1PA wrote:
>> I think we have to let go of the mantra that ?any use of the bandwidth is
good use? with respect to ?encouraging more satellite activity?. Wasn?t
that the original intent of the ?100 point bonus? items? To encourage
specific activities ? traffic handling, promotion, emergency power, etc.
>>
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 16:23:24 -0700
From: "Jeff Moore" <tnetcenter@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
To: "AMSAT" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <DB3DF4B8562E4FE29AC35A910A0F675C@xxxxx>
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You raise an interesting point and something I've wondered about for some
time now.
IF the sat operators are always so bent out of shape when someone actually
uses the sats, then why the heck does AMSAT promote a parallel Field Day
event with ARRL's Field Day??
I think it's about time for AMSAT to have their OWN Field Day Event ON A
SEPARATE WEEKEND!!!
That way the "serious" sat operators can play all they want on their linear
birds and leave the FM sats for the ARRL Field Day participants. Then AMSAT
can have it's own Field Day (or SAT DAY) with it's own rules, like a 100 pt
bonus for working 2 or more qso's on a linear bird or a 200 pt deduction for
working an FM bird, etc.
73,
Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY
CN94
Shields Up!
----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Bruce" <db@xx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
I know I am going to get hate mail again. I just know it. But here goes.
I've been quietly suggesting that we should _not_ be encouraging sat use
during field day, furthermore we probably should consider turning them
off during field day to stop this.
Now hear me out before you hit that reply key. Field day operators
are interested in those bonus points, we (amsat) are interested in
promoting amateur radio sat operations. How many of these field day
operations actually result in new satellite operators? Where are the
surveys, stats? Does the extra massive battery use of our sats justify
the PR? Keep in mind the state of AO-51 and FO-29.
Am I the only one? I'd be interested in a non-flame war discussion.
- 73 Diane VA3DB
--
- db@xxxxxxx.xxx db@xx.xxx http://www.db.net/~db
Why leave money to our children if we don't leave them the Earth?
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 18:26:00 -0500
From: Joe <nss@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4E091188.8080402@xxx.xxx>
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Read a little further down in the rules it clearly states on the single
channel FM birds ONLY ONE CONTACT Period it is very clear.
Joe WB9SBD
The Original Rolling Ball Clock
Idle Tyme
Idle-Tyme.com
http://www.idle-tyme.com
On 6/27/2011 1:29 PM, Andreas Junge wrote:
> There is no such rule in the FD that limits you to one Satellite contact.
You need AT LEAST one for the 100 bonus points:
>
> > From the FD rules (2011):
> 7.3.7. Satellite QSO: 100 bonus points for successfully completing at
least one QSO via an amateur radio satellite during the Field Day period.
"General Rules for All ARRL Contests" (Rule 3.7.2.), (the no-repeater QSO
stipulation) is waived for satellite QSOs. Groups are allowed one dedicated
satellite transmitter station without increasing their entry category.
Satellite QSOs also count for regular QSO credit. Show them listed
separately on the summary sheet as a separate "band." You do not receive an
additional bonus for contacting different satellites, though the additional
QSOs may be counted for QSO credit unless prohibited under Rule 7.3.7.1. The
QSO must be between two Earth stations through a satellite. Available to
Classes A, B, and F.
>
>
> 73,
>
> Andreas, N6NU, CM87VK
>
> On Jun 27, 2011, at 9:51 AM, Floyd Rodgers wrote:
>
>> Guys, this seems simple to fix. The arrl gets the logs of everyone. How
>> hard is it to build a table of the sat contacts and check who gets more
>> than the allowed one contact?
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 16:28:27 -0700
From: Kevin Deane <summit496@xxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] ISS something not right
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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Ok something is amiss because nobody is getting in, and it sounds more like
a beacon or something. If it was working at least the beacon people would be
getting in, and maybe some people like me uselessly trying for a digi
contact which last month was easy!
I know most people are bored with this but I figure if its goin over I might
as well try, I am pretty persistant which did pay off on PC-Sat. Must have
been lucky on that one cuz nothin for 20+ days.
Kevin
KF7MYK
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 19:33:26 -0400
From: "Zachary Beougher" <zack.kd8ksn@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] A thought and some brags... (was Re: Re: FD
Mess)
To: "KM9U" <arskm9u@xxxxx.xxx>, "Tim Cunningham"
<tim_cunningham@xxxxxxx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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>Do we really need to write more and/or change the rules. We just need to
>obey the rules we learned a long time ago. Really, aren't the rules that
>govern Amateur Radio Etiquette similar to the same rules that we learned in
>Kindergarten?
This is what I am beginning to wonder. I think I have about 20 emails now
with this subject. To be quite honest, I think everyone makes too big a
deal out of "satellite field day." I made one (1) satellite QSO during the
entire event to get the 100 points for our club - the QSO was not rushed, I
had plenty of room, and I was only running 5w as usual. IMO, the issue at
hand is that everyone plans on making 100+ QSOs on FD via satellites. That
is 199 points. 100 for the first, then 1 per QSO. You may as well spend
your time on HF which is not so crowded, or better yet, do CW and/or digital
and you get 2 points/QSO. Why get so worked up over an extra few points?
Get the first 100 and be done.
Secondly, you can't go into FD expecting everyone to 1) obey rules, 2) give
you the right-of-way, and 3) expect to make more than one sat QSO. You need
to worry more about strategizing. I was on the afternoon passes on
Saturday, but I did not go into it expecting any QSOs. It was insane, but I
expected it to be. Use a strategy and look for the quieter passes. We
obviously didn't get anything on Saturday, so we did an overnight SO50 pass.
There were very few on, and we could have very easily made a QSO, but I was
having some receive issues. We tried again on AO51 Sunday morning, and we
got our QSO without issue. Look for the overnight, early morning, AND LOW
PASSES. If you live on the east coast, hit the eastern passes; if you live
in the west, hit the western passes; if you live in central US, improve you
receive setup so you can work AOS and LOS, which are generally quiet. Use
some strategy and drop the expectations.
Just my 2 cents...
Hopefully everyone had an enjoyable FD in spite of the busy passes. I
enjoyed seeing some familiar calls get logged. I watched Jeff, KB2M, get
logged, and I also got to work Chris, N1BSA. I am sure I worked more of
you, but everyone was using unfamiliar club calls. Our club was running 4A
with an additional 6m station (which made 114 QSOs by itself compared to 35
last year!), and we ended up with a little over 1600 QSOs. The call was
W8CBF if any of you have good memories....
The Ohio section manager Frank, KI8GW, also stopped by the club and enjoyed
dinner with us. This was his second year in a row stopping by. The club is
comprised of about 3-4 elmers and about 20+ kids ranging from 5-25. Some
have more experience than others. Frank really enjoys seeing the youth get
more active, and we enjoy being able to host him!
Does anyone else have any cool brags and/or something noteworthy (or not
noteworthy) that occurred on FD? I personally don't see any need to
continue the subject about the poor operating practice. What is done is
done, just plan for next year.
73!
Zack
KD8KSN
-----Original Message-----
From: KM9U
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 6:30 PM
To: Tim Cunningham ; amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
Do we really need to write more and/or change the rules. We just need to
obey the rules we learned a long time ago. Really, aren't the rules that
govern Amateur Radio Etiquette similar to the same rules that we learned in
Kindergarten?
"These are the things I learned:
Share everything.
Play fair.
Don't hit people.
Put things back where you found them.
Clean up your own mess.
Don't take things that aren't yours.
Say you're sorry when you hurt somebody.
Wash your hands before you eat.
Flush.
Warm cookies and cold milk are good for you.
Live a balanced life - learn some and think some and draw and paint and
sing and dance and play and work every day some.
Take a nap every afternoon.
When you go out in the world, watch out for traffic, hold hands and
stick together.
Be aware of wonder. Remember the little seed in the Styrofoam cup: the
roots go down and the plant goes up and nobody really knows how or why,
but we are all like that.
Goldfish and hamsters and white mice and even the little seed in the
Styrofoam cup - they all die. So do we.
And then remember the Dick-and-Jane books and the first word you
learned - the biggest word of all - LOOK."
Everything you need to know about Ham Radio and life in general is in there
somewhere. The Golden Rule and love and basic sanitation. Ecology and
politics and equality and sane living.
[Source: "ALL I REALLY NEED TO KNOW I LEARNED IN KINDERGARTEN" by Robert
Fulghum]
;-)) And here's to wishing you a Happy Field Day 2012!
Chuck, KM9U
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Cunningham" <tim_cunningham@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 17:49
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
Read the AMSAT rules. The title of the AMSAT rules IS clear when you read
the title as "2011 AMSAT Field Day Competition ".
Tim - N8DEU
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Geiger" <aa5jg@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "STeve Andre'" <andres@xxx.xxx>
Cc: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 2:11 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
Of course it isn't a contest. The best evidence is that they print the
scores in QST!
73s John AA5JG
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 2:09 PM, STeve Andre' <andres@xxx.xxx> wrote:
> Well, is IS a contest, no matter what the ARRL says. People see it as
> such.
> My first FD before I was a ham, looked like a contest to me and it was
> only
> later, reading all the ARRL books I could get ahold of that I realized it
> really wasn't one.
>
> All contests where you go outside are test runs for emergency stuff.
> Our club in Ann Arbor MI (Arrow Communication Association) does the
> summer vhf+ contests outside (6m-1296) and those have been a great
> way to figure out ways of doing stuff.
>
> I would argue that the ARRL needs to change the way they talk, and
> offer FD as both a contest and exercise in communications, and
> speak of the exercise opportunities at the other contests, especially
> those of rovers.
>
> --STeve Andre'
> wb8wsf en72
>
> On 06/27/11 14:21, Nigel Gunn wrote:
> > A bigger FD problem is that FD is advertised as a chance to demonstrate
> > your emergency comms ability to Joe Public.
> > FD is NOT a contest so why are points and bonuses involved at all?
> >
> > On 27/06/11 19:13, Bill Acito W1PA wrote:
> >> I think we have to let go of the mantra that ?any use of the bandwidth
> is good use? with respect to ?encouraging more satellite activity?. Wasn?t
> that the original intent of the ?100 point bonus? items? To encourage
> specific activities ? traffic handling, promotion, emergency power, etc.
> >>
> >
>
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 23:34:29 -0000
From: "John Geiger" <aa5jg@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
To: "Joe" <nss@xxx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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I wish it was treated like a major contest by my local club-I might attend
their FD setup then.
73s John AA5jG
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe" <nss@xxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 11:22 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
>I know the ARRL says it is not a contest. but if you believe that I
> have a lovely swamp in Arizona to sell you.
>
> I know many clubs that it is a MAJOR contest for them and some it's the
> onluy one they enter in.
>
> Joe WB9SBD
>
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> On 6/27/2011 1:21 PM, Nigel Gunn wrote:
>> A bigger FD problem is that FD is advertised as a chance to demonstrate
>> your emergency comms ability to Joe Public.
>> FD is NOT a contest so why are points and bonuses involved at all?
>>
>> On 27/06/11 19:13, Bill Acito W1PA wrote:
>>> I think we have to let go of the mantra that ?any use of the bandwidth
>>> is good use? with respect to ?encouraging more satellite activity?.
>>> Wasn?t that the original intent of the ?100 point bonus? items? To
>>> encourage specific activities ? traffic handling, promotion, emergency
>>> power, etc.
>>>
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 15:51:30 -0800
From: "Edward R. Cole" <kl7uw@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: How to get started on SSB birds
To: wa4hfn@xxxxxxx.xxxx Jeremy Widner <jeremyrwidner@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: AMSAT <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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Or Lindenblads or Quadrafillers. Info is on the Amsat webpage for
these, right?
73, Ed - KL7uW
At 12:09 PM 6/27/2011, wa4hfn@xxxxxxx.xxx wrote:
>Build Egg beaters
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jeremy Widner" <jeremyrwidner@xxxxx.xxx>
>To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
>Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 3:00:28 PM
>Subject: [amsat-bb] How to get started on SSB birds
>
>I have been doing FM birds for a couple of years now with HTs and Arrow
>antennas. I am ready to start messing with the other birds. I have a
>Kenwood TS-2000 for a rig. I do NOT currently have a tower up. I was
>wondering antenna suggestions you guys might have to jump into the ssb birds
>without using a tower. My preference is to build something as money is
>always an issue (insert wife).
>
>--
>73
>Jeremy Widner
>K0PDX
>http://k0pdx.us
>Secretary Raytown Amateur Radio Club - K0GQ
>http://k0gq.com/
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73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 20:02:55 -0400
From: "Joe Krepps" <occupant@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: How to get started on SSB birds (antennas)
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All,
I appreciate that this topic has been brought up (especially _after_ FD,
HiHi!!).
If I may inject a question: for the seriously budget minded, is there any
value to building a "better antenna" (i.e. more elements for improved
gain) versus adding a pre-amp? I realize a higher gain antenna will be
more sensitive to positioning/aiming and, unless I go the U-110 rotator
route, I won't be doing much elevation adjustment.
I'll be using either my current FT-817ND or an eBay all mode 2m
transciever, for AO-7. In Mode A, rx with the FT-817ND & tx with a "well
loved" 2m all mode. In Mode B, rx with the 2m all mode and Tx with the
FT-817ND. Of course, dialing the power down as often as practical!
(Now, I kinda' wish I could have held onto my old IC-820H, Yaesu Az/El
rotators and "Oscar link" crossed yagis...but I needed $$ at the time.
Now, I'm married so, by definition, I'm broke. HiHi!)
I appreciate ALL the wisdom shared so far! :)
Mny tnx & 73!
Joe WB3CFN
P.S. I _do_ have an Arrow but not sure how suitable it is for continuous
outdoor use.
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 17:05:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Patrick STODDARD \(WD9EWK/VA7EWK\)" <amsat-bb@xxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] WD9EWK - Field Day 2011 report
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Hi!
Glad to see this old-school e-mail list is getting a workout today. :-)
Despite all the complaining about how crowded the satellite passes were
over the weekend, it was fun to get one. I try to make time to work
Field Day, even if it is just the satellites, as a reason to get out
of the desert heat.
As I have done since 2009, I parked at a Garland Prairie Vista Picnic
Ground in the Kaibab National Forest. This is along old US-66, north
of the I-40 freeway and 20 miles/32km west of Flagstaff in northern
Arizona. I knew of this place from trips to the DM35xg/DM45ag grid
boundary just west of this site, and being up in the mountains and
trees is a lot better than the desert heat. I brought the two FT-817NDs
I normally use on the non-FM satellites, along with a TH-F6A (backup
radio for satellite operating, and possibly useful for VHF/UHF FM
QSOs during Field Day) and my IC-703 HF/6m transceiver. Besides the
Elk 2m/70cm log periodic I use on the satellites, I brought an Outbacker
Joey HF/VHF vertical and a Buddipole multiband dipole that would really
come in handy during this Field Day.
Since 2001, I have generally worked Field Day as a 1B/1-operator/battery
station transmitting at 5 watts. I may be a glutton for punishment, but
QRP power levels make it easier to power the equipment. I had printed
out the pass predictions for the day, so I didn't need a computer running
tracking software. The IC-703 is a 10W transceiver, but I dialed it down
to the 5W level so I could qualify for the 5x power multiplier under the
ARRL rules. The FT-817NDs and TH-F6A are 5W transceivers, so I left their
power settings on "high", and hoped for the best.
I started out on 15m using the IC-703 and Outbacker Joey, then switched
periodically to 6m using the Buddipole dipole. I would jump from band
to band as I heard activity, and also worked many Arizona stations on
6m. For the first time in Field Day, I completed a terrestrial 2m FM
QSO with a group on a mountain about 40 miles/64km south of me. I used
the TH-F6A with a Diamond tri-band antenna on it, and had a nice chat
with that group after making the Field Day exchange.
As for the satellites, I did not do as well this year. I confined my
FM activity to only the west-coast passes. I made one QSO on SO-50
on the 2030 UTC pass Saturday afternoon, but the other station did not
offer the Field Day exchange. My first Field Day satellite QSO was on
the west-coast AO-27 pass an hour later. After making the QSO that I
will score in my log, I also made a couple of other non-point QSOs as
I detailed in an earlier post.
One of the things I wanted to try this Field Day was AO-7 in mode A.
I had one chance to do that, on the pass around 2230 UTC Saturday
afternoon before the mode change approximately an hour later. I
was unsuccessful in making a QSO on this pass, but I was successful
in hearing myself on the 10m downlink using the IC-703 with my
Buddipole dipole reconfigured for this pass (one side vertical, the
other side horizontal, set for resonance around 29.450 MHz), in CW
and SSB. This was a great test, and I hope to make mode A QSOs on
AO-7 in the near future. I tried the next AO-7 pass in mode B,
but had no luck completing a QSO there. That happens sometimes,
and I'm not complaining.
On FO-29 a little while later, I had a hard time hearing myself.
When I moved up the passband a bit, I could hear myself, but nobody
else joined me up there. I was able to make one QSO toward the end
of the pass, as other stations wrapped up their activity and there
were fewer signals on the uplink. Not too bad. I tried the next
FO-29 pass that covered the west coast, but could not get through
well enough for a couple of stations to copy my call correctly.
Oh well...
As was mentioned previously, the AO-51 pass up the west coast just
after 0000 UTC was a nice pass. I will try to post my audio recording
of that pass, to show how things calmed down toward the end of the
pass. I made my points-earning QSO early in the pass, then answered
others who were calling WD9EWK, and even worked one station that was
not interested in a Field Day exchange. I gave him my grid locator
(DM45) in place of "1B-AZ".
I tried the shallow VO-52 pass just before 0200 UTC, after copying the
W1AW phone bulletin that started at 0145 UTC. I think the mountains
to the east didn't let me have more than a couple of minutes to hear
the satellite. At this point, I wanted to stick around for the next
VO-52 pass, but by then it would be completely dark in the forest
except for my flashlights. I also had to return home that evening,
due to other things I needed to do Sunday.
I still have to put together my log for submission to ARRL and AMSAT,
but I know I didn't make as many QSOs - satellite, or overall - this
year. For satellites, I had a total of 3 QSOs that will go on my
submission. I was disappointed I couldn't get QSOs on AO-7 or VO-52,
but being able to hear myself on AO-7 in mode A made up for that.
Hearing several familiar voices - some working with their own callsigns,
and several others with different calls - was nice. Those experienced
operators probably helped their groups get QSOs and the satellite bonus.
I posted some photos of my station as part of my "soapbox" submission
on the ARRL web site at:
http://www.arrl.org/soapboxes/view/7763
I also recorded a short video showing my station, which can be
viewed at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8BGbDVBXTA
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
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