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Today's Topics:
1. Re: How to get started on SSB birds (wa4hfn@xxxxxxx.xxxx
2. Re: FD Mess (Bill Acito W1PA)
3. Re: FD Mess (k6yk)
4. Re: FD Mess (Diane Bruce)
5. Off Topic AO-27/ISS (Kevin Deane)
6. Re: FD Mess (Edward R. Cole)
7. Re: FD Mess (George Henry)
8. Re: Off Topic AO-27/ISS (George Henry)
9. Re: FD Mess (Bob Bruninga)
10. Re: FD Mess (Majdi S. Abbas)
11. Re: FD Mess (Tim Cunningham)
12. Re: How to get started on SSB birds (antennas) (PA3GUO)
13. Field Day Recordings Posted (John Papay)
14. Re: Off Topic AO-27/ISS (Jeremy Bomkamp)
15. Re: FD Mess (Nigel A. Gunn)
16. Re: FD Mess (KM9U)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 20:41:06 +0000 (UTC)
From: wa4hfn@xxxxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: How to get started on SSB birds
To: Jeremy Widner <jeremyrwidner@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: AMSAT <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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<743191082.233818.1309207266836.JavaMail.root@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxx.xx.xxxx.xxxx
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Jeremy
First thing MAKE SURE YOU CAN HEAR THE BIRDS all to often ops will call cq
,helloooo whistle and all sorts of noise making.
You can hit the birds with 1 watt but if you cant hear it we can still hear
you. A 70cm preamp with t/r would be a good investment
Then look at KO4MA cheap yagis
Hope to work you soon
WA4HFN
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy Widner" <jeremyrwidner@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "Andrew Glasbrenner" <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: "AMSAT" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 3:30:47 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: How to get started on SSB birds
I am going to assume my IC-706 should work with the exception of the 70cm
birds correct? That is what is mounted in the jeep and a little easier to
work with than the 2000.
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Andrew Glasbrenner <
glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> The first and smallest step would be to take that Arrow, hook it to your
> 2000 on a picnic table or tailgate, and start listening to passes. That will
> copy all of the transponder satellites. Tune around, listen, and then work
> on making a QSO or two. The rest will go pretty naturally.
>
> 73, Drew KO4MA
>
--
73
Jeremy Widner
K0PDX
http://k0pdx.us
Secretary Raytown Amateur Radio Club - K0GQ
http://k0gq.com/
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 16:59:09 -0400
From: "Bill Acito W1PA" <w1pa@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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>Note that it says "additional QSOs may be counted for QSO credit ***unless
>prohibited under Rule 7.3.7.1*** " (emphasis mine), which you conveniently
>omitted. Rule 7.3.7.1 says "Stations are limited to one (1) completed QSO
>on any single channel FM satellite."
>So yes, there IS such a rule.
7.3.7. Satellite QSO: 100 bonus points for successfully completing at least
one QSO via an
amateur radio satellite during the Field Day period. "General Rules for All
ARRL Contests" (Rule
3.7.2.), (the no-repeater QSO stipulation) is waived for satellite QSOs.
Groups are allowed one
dedicated satellite transmitter station without increasing their entry
category.
Satellite QSOs also count for regular QSO credit. Show them listed
separately on the summary sheet as a separate
"band."
You do not receive an additional bonus for contacting different satellites,
though the
additional QSOs may be counted for QSO credit unless prohibited under Rule
7.3.7.1. The QSO
must be between two Earth stations through a satellite. Available to Classes
A, B, and F.
7.3.7.1 Stations are limited to one (1) completed QSO on any single channel
FM satellite.
Yes, so I read this to say:
You can make as many satellite QSO's as you want.
They count as another band, each counts for QSO credit.
You get 100 bonus point when you make the first
Only one QSO out of the total QSOs can come from any/all of the FM
birds.
Could a lot of the "multi-QSO" issues have come from the fact that folks
simply didn't understand the rules?
Bill
W1PA
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 14:01:46 -0700
From: k6yk <k6yk@xxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
To: gordonjcp@xxxx.xxx
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <20110627.141137.956.677052@xxxxxxxxx.xxx.xxxx.xxx>
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FD is a mess every year. No matter what bird(s) you try.
Most of the FD stations have no clue about satellites, they just get
the idea they need to make 1 satellite contact or as many as they can.
They don't know about all the rules particular to AMSAT, and they
dont' care.
They ask somebody what frequency to transmit and listen on and then
they get their 500 watt amp, big beam or no beam, no preamp, and
start calling and calling. They don't hear anything so they just mess up
the
whole works. Happens every year.
You either have to bear with it and make your one contact or give up.
73,
K6YK
On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 21:33:34 +0100 Gordon JC Pearce <gordonjcp@xxxx.xxx>
writes:
> On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 13:48:48 -0500
> Patrick Green <pagreen@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
> > The ARRL should impose an ERP limit for satellite contacts. That
> > would solve the problem. I don't see how running amplifiers on FD
> is
> > in the spirit of what FD is all about. I've made contacts using
> 50 mw
> > so why do stations use 100+ watts *before* the antenna.. I
> wouldn't
> > want my kids playing around a FD site with this time of setup.
>
> Wouldn't that be AMSAT's job? It's certainly possible to work an FM
> bird with 5W from a handie, and a hand-held yagi.
>
> I don't understand the obsession with having all-singing-all-dancing
> computer-controlled setups, where it automatically updates its
> orbital elements, automatically calculates when the next pass is,
> automatically calculates where to steer the aerial and what to tune
> the radio to and leaving the operator to just push the PTT and shout
> over the top of the QRP/P stations.
>
> All the computer-controlled stuff just plain isn't amateur radio.
> If you want to sit in front of a computer and talk to people, use
> Skype.
>
> Gordon MM0YEQ
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 17:18:54 -0400
From: Diane Bruce <db@xx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
To: wa4hfn@xxxxxxx.xxx
Cc: AMSAT <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <20110627211854.GA72494@xxxxx.xx.xxx>
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On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 03:13:34PM +0000, wa4hfn@xxxxxxx.xxx wrote:
> It took me 5 satellite passes before I could make 1 contact There were too
many ops making what sounded like HI POWER multi contacts .This should not
have happened. Maybe someone with good writting skills could send the ARRL
world above 50 an artical on how to work the birds during FD
> WA4HFN em55 Damon
I know I am going to get hate mail again. I just know it. But here goes.
I've been quietly suggesting that we should _not_ be encouraging sat use
during field day, furthermore we probably should consider turning them
off during field day to stop this.
Now hear me out before you hit that reply key. Field day operators
are interested in those bonus points, we (amsat) are interested in
promoting amateur radio sat operations. How many of these field day
operations actually result in new satellite operators? Where are the
surveys, stats? Does the extra massive battery use of our sats justify
the PR? Keep in mind the state of AO-51 and FO-29.
Am I the only one? I'd be interested in a non-flame war discussion.
- 73 Diane VA3DB
--
- db@xxxxxxx.xxx db@xx.xxx http://www.db.net/~db
Why leave money to our children if we don't leave them the Earth?
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 14:29:32 -0700
From: Kevin Deane <summit496@xxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Off Topic AO-27/ISS
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <col107-w50F1218010F42BA03A6EA283570@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
When AO-27 goes in digital mode what is that D-Star??? I take it if I had
that equipment would I be able to communicate with people or is that the
sats time for basic telemetry/control operator stuff?
Also I have been hearing packet on AO-51, does someone expect a response? I
am tempted to have my software loaded and see who it is. I would think
responding would piss people off so I wont be doing that.
ISS... I have been hearing packet on 145.825 but have not been getting in, 8
hours since anyone has and the signal seems alot weaker than normal???
Thanks for any info/opinions!
Kevin
KF7MYK
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 13:34:23 -0800
From: "Edward R. Cole" <kl7uw@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
To: AMSAT <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <201106272134.p5RLYWZX089509@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
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At 07:13 AM 6/27/2011, wa4hfn@xxxxxxx.xxx wrote:
>It took me 5 satellite passes before I could make 1 contact There
>were too many ops making what sounded like HI POWER multi contacts
>.This should not have happened. Maybe someone with good writting
>skills could send the ARRL world above 50 an artical on how to work
>the birds during FD
>WA4HFN em55 Damon
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Good luck on that. But if you are able to reach someone at ARRL,
suggest that any log with more than one satellite entry have his
100points disqualified. Do satellite hams actually read "World Above
50 MHz"? Better a separate article on working satellite during
FD. A lot of stations working the sats on FD do not work satellites
anytime other than that.
And BTW there are some SSB transponder satellites for use, the
problem is the majority of satellite users today balk at obtaining
equipment for anything but working the FM Leos. Its the old saw:
"you can lead a horse to water, ...".
Another old saw goes: "you asked for it, now live with it"!
One last rhetorical question: "does anyone recall the last time they
contacted KL7UW on a satellite?" Was it FM or SSB?
I'm back to Oscar-Zero where I use JT-65.
73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 14:36:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: George Henry <ka3hsw@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
To: Bill Acito W1PA <w1pa@xxxxxxx.xxx>, amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <683847.31916.qm@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
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The intent of the rule was to reduce the congestion on the FM satellites by
getting stations OFF them after making their one QSO, thereby giving more
stations the opportunity to make a QSO. So the way I interpret it, and the
way
I've operated since the rule was adopted (and I was one of those who hounded
the
ARRL to adopt it), is "ONE and you're DONE."
Not two, or twenty, and you only get to SCORE one...
ONE.
George, KA3HSW
----- Original Message ----
> From: Bill Acito W1PA <w1pa@xxxxxxx.xxx>
> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 3:59:09 PM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
[snip]
> Yes, so I read this to say:
> You can make as many satellite QSO's as you want.
> They count as another band, each counts for QSO credit.
> You get 100 bonus point when you make the first
> Only one QSO out of the total QSOs can come from any/all of the FM
> birds.
>
> Could a lot of the "multi-QSO" issues have come from the fact that folks
> simply didn't understand the rules?
>
> Bill
> W1PA
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 14:41:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: George Henry <ka3hsw@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Off Topic AO-27/ISS
To: Kevin Deane <summit496@xxxx.xxx>, amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <224626.54760.qm@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
That's 1200 baud AFSK telemetry. See <http://www.ao27.org/AO27/tlm.shtml>
for a
link to download the telemetry-gathering program & instructions on how to
record
& submit your telemetry captures.
George, KA3HSW
----- Original Message ----
> From: Kevin Deane <summit496@xxxx.xxx>
> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 4:29:32 PM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Off Topic AO-27/ISS
>
>
> When AO-27 goes in digital mode what is that D-Star??? I take it if I had
that
>equipment would I be able to communicate with people or is that the sats
time
>for basic telemetry/control operator stuff?
>
[snip]
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 17:42:57 -0400
From: "Bob Bruninga" <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
To: "'AMSAT'" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <0b0401cc3513$2e05bb00$8a113100$@xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
I am always amused by FD on the FM birds, and even more so the post-action
comments that:
1) Don't understand what 2600 FM carriers on the input of an FM repeater
does
2) Think that the other 2599 are LIDS and KIDS and are abusing the system
3) But they are doing it right by calling CQ with 5 watts
4) Have high expectations of making a contact
5) And then blame others when they don't.
6) Build up public expectations during demos and then fail miserably
7) etc etc...
Everyone with a license should know what "doubling" on an FM repeater sounds
like. Now multiply that by 2600 and you should have ZERO expectation of
anyone getting through... EXCEPT those that are 10 dB closer to the
repeater, or 10 dB stronger than EVERYONE ELSE. In space, everyone is
somewhere between 400 to 1500 miles away, so there is only a small
discrimination in range (but it does give everyone a slightly better chance
for a minute or 2).
Even if EVERYONE ran 5 watts, still absolutely no one would get through.
Even if only 10% are actually key-down for 1 second to see if they can get
in, that is still 260 signals at 5W each or about 1300 W. (continuous
horizon to horizon).
Thank goodness a few people ran enough power to overcome the input NOISE
floor and made a contact so that those of us doing RECEIVE-ONLY Demo's had
something to demo. And to educate observers about the nature of a single
channel FM bird... and a few comments about human nature.
Having high expectations and then condemning other operators is the wrong
way to demo ham radio. It only shows that one does not have a good
understanding of the system, of RF, and of human nature. Everyone should
read the "Tragedy of the commons". We have known about this problem of human
nature for hundreds of years. It's amazing how many people have to learn it
every year at FD.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons
Remember, the THEM is you and me.
Bob, Wb4APR
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 14:42:19 -0700
From: "Majdi S. Abbas" <msa@xxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
To: Diane Bruce <db@xx.xxx>
Cc: AMSAT <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <20110627214218.GA97688@xxxx.xxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 05:18:54PM -0400, Diane Bruce wrote:
> Now hear me out before you hit that reply key. Field day operators
> are interested in those bonus points, we (amsat) are interested in
> promoting amateur radio sat operations. How many of these field day
> operations actually result in new satellite operators? Where are the
> surveys, stats? Does the extra massive battery use of our sats justify
> the PR? Keep in mind the state of AO-51 and FO-29.
>
> Am I the only one? I'd be interested in a non-flame war discussion.
Sure, the person operating the radio is trying to collect the
bonus points for their operation.
But most Field Day operations are a *group* effort. Many of
the hams present may never have operated a satellite, and if shown
that they can get on the FM sats relatively easily, may give it a
try. There are typically dozens of people present besides the
satellite operator, at least a few of which express some interest.
People who collect bonus points usually go for the public
location/information table bonus as well, so you may be introducing
possible future hams to satellite work.
If the argument is 'show me the data,' feel free to go collect it;
the published FD scores is a good starting point for reaching out to
the involved parties. Or you could fund a survey.
It seems silly to demand that outreach be justified for you;
without it, you won't need those satellites anyway. Lack of outreach
is a self correcting problem -- just add time, and there won't be any
satellites left.
73,
Majdi, N0RMZ
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 16:49:06 -0500
From: "Tim Cunningham" <tim_cunningham@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <DCC2019965B64092B08472EA21B9D98C@xxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252";
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Read the AMSAT rules. The title of the AMSAT rules IS clear when you read
the title as "2011 AMSAT Field Day Competition ".
Tim - N8DEU
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Geiger" <aa5jg@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "STeve Andre'" <andres@xxx.xxx>
Cc: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 2:11 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
Of course it isn't a contest. The best evidence is that they print the
scores in QST!
73s John AA5JG
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 2:09 PM, STeve Andre' <andres@xxx.xxx> wrote:
> Well, is IS a contest, no matter what the ARRL says. People see it as
> such.
> My first FD before I was a ham, looked like a contest to me and it was
> only
> later, reading all the ARRL books I could get ahold of that I realized it
> really wasn't one.
>
> All contests where you go outside are test runs for emergency stuff.
> Our club in Ann Arbor MI (Arrow Communication Association) does the
> summer vhf+ contests outside (6m-1296) and those have been a great
> way to figure out ways of doing stuff.
>
> I would argue that the ARRL needs to change the way they talk, and
> offer FD as both a contest and exercise in communications, and
> speak of the exercise opportunities at the other contests, especially
> those of rovers.
>
> --STeve Andre'
> wb8wsf en72
>
> On 06/27/11 14:21, Nigel Gunn wrote:
> > A bigger FD problem is that FD is advertised as a chance to demonstrate
> > your emergency comms ability to Joe Public.
> > FD is NOT a contest so why are points and bonuses involved at all?
> >
> > On 27/06/11 19:13, Bill Acito W1PA wrote:
> >> I think we have to let go of the mantra that ?any use of the bandwidth
> is good use? with respect to ?encouraging more satellite activity?. Wasn?t
> that the original intent of the ?100 point bonus? items? To encourage
> specific activities ? traffic handling, promotion, emergency power, etc.
> >>
> >
>
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 23:52:42 +0200
From: PA3GUO <pa3guo@xxxxxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: How to get started on SSB birds (antennas)
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <20110627235242.5PME2.16082.root@xxxxxxxx.xxxxxx.xx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> My preference is to build something
Hi Jeremy !
Yesterday I finished constructing my new antenna for 70cm, a 16 elements
DK7ZB.
My Requirements:
- Needs to work for EME at 432 MHz (15.5 dBd / 16 elements has been used
successfully by others)
- Needs to work for satellite communication (needs to elevate up to 90
degrees:
can not be longer as 4 meter)
- Avoid complex circular polarization this time (linear polarization had
proven
to work fine for Cubesats)
Selected design:
- 16 elements DK7ZB
- 15.5 dBd
- length 3.86 meter
Results:
- Fantastic !
- Compared to the 12 elements beam I can decode Cubesats (FO-69, O/OREOS) now
much earlier
- Decoding (not hearing!) FO-69 improved from 5..7 degrees elevation to 2..3
degrees
- Have not done any EME tests yet
Here are the photo's:
http://www.pa3guo.com/dk7zb_70cm.html
Btw: not sure if building is actually cheaper as buying: this antenna costed
me ~90$
(but it is more fun !)
--
Henk, PA3GUO
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 17:57:28 -0400
From: John Papay <john@xxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Field Day Recordings Posted
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <134403.82943.qm@xxxxxxx.xxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
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Field Day recordings for AO-51, AO-27 and SO-50
are on my website. The late night-early morning
passes were not crowded and could have provided
opportunities for those trying to make the 100 point
bonus.
The recordings were made from my home station on autopilot.
Polarity was fixed on left-hand circular to favor AO-51.
AO-27 is usually better on right hand but left hand works
for most of the pass. SO-50 flops back and forth so it's
not all there.
We report; you decide.
http://www.papays.com/sat
73,
John K8YSE
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 14:58:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeremy Bomkamp <wa113y3s@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Off Topic AO-27/ISS
To: Kevin Deane <summit496@xxxx.xxx>, amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <278016.93367.qm@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Kevin
When AO-27 is in digital mode it is transmitting telemetry, I think you can
download the program to decode it on the AO-27 website. I haven't heard the
digital on AO-51 but it is probably APRS/Packet and who knows why unless
someone
decodes it, there was a lot of packet on HO-68 when it was in FM mode but a
lot
was autobeacons meant for the ISS.
The ISS sounded normal as far as signal strength on Saturday, but I haven't
heard it since, the last pass(2140Z) was a high pass and I didn't hear
anything
on 145.800 or 145.825, can you decode any of the packets you hear? If they
are
from the ISS the packet will start with RS0ISS-4(or -3 as has been used
recently
for whatever reason) or the packet will have RS0ISS-4* or RS0ISS-3* indicating
it was digipeated by the ISS. The RS0ISS-3 started being used around June 18,
but it did use -4 a couple times since
AB9RU
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 23:07:53 +0100
From: "Nigel A. Gunn" <nigel@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
To: Tim Cunningham <tim_cunningham@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4E08FF39.2090706@xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
True but Fd is an ARRL event and has nowt to do with AMSAT.
On 27/06/11 22:49, Tim Cunningham wrote:
> Read the AMSAT rules. The title of the AMSAT rules IS clear when you read
> the title as "2011 AMSAT Field Day Competition ".
>
>
> Tim - N8DEU
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 18:30:32 -0400
From: "KM9U" <arskm9u@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
To: "Tim Cunningham" <tim_cunningham@xxxxxxx.xxx>,
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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Do we really need to write more and/or change the rules. We just need to
obey the rules we learned a long time ago. Really, aren't the rules that
govern Amateur Radio Etiquette similar to the same rules that we learned in
Kindergarten?
"These are the things I learned:
Share everything.
Play fair.
Don't hit people.
Put things back where you found them.
Clean up your own mess.
Don't take things that aren't yours.
Say you're sorry when you hurt somebody.
Wash your hands before you eat.
Flush.
Warm cookies and cold milk are good for you.
Live a balanced life - learn some and think some and draw and paint and
sing and dance and play and work every day some.
Take a nap every afternoon.
When you go out in the world, watch out for traffic, hold hands and
stick together.
Be aware of wonder. Remember the little seed in the Styrofoam cup: the
roots go down and the plant goes up and nobody really knows how or why,
but we are all like that.
Goldfish and hamsters and white mice and even the little seed in the
Styrofoam cup - they all die. So do we.
And then remember the Dick-and-Jane books and the first word you
learned - the biggest word of all - LOOK."
Everything you need to know about Ham Radio and life in general is in there
somewhere. The Golden Rule and love and basic sanitation. Ecology and
politics and equality and sane living.
[Source: "ALL I REALLY NEED TO KNOW I LEARNED IN KINDERGARTEN" by Robert
Fulghum]
;-)) And here's to wishing you a Happy Field Day 2012!
Chuck, KM9U
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Cunningham" <tim_cunningham@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 17:49
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
Read the AMSAT rules. The title of the AMSAT rules IS clear when you read
the title as "2011 AMSAT Field Day Competition ".
Tim - N8DEU
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Geiger" <aa5jg@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "STeve Andre'" <andres@xxx.xxx>
Cc: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 2:11 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
Of course it isn't a contest. The best evidence is that they print the
scores in QST!
73s John AA5JG
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 2:09 PM, STeve Andre' <andres@xxx.xxx> wrote:
> Well, is IS a contest, no matter what the ARRL says. People see it as
> such.
> My first FD before I was a ham, looked like a contest to me and it was
> only
> later, reading all the ARRL books I could get ahold of that I realized it
> really wasn't one.
>
> All contests where you go outside are test runs for emergency stuff.
> Our club in Ann Arbor MI (Arrow Communication Association) does the
> summer vhf+ contests outside (6m-1296) and those have been a great
> way to figure out ways of doing stuff.
>
> I would argue that the ARRL needs to change the way they talk, and
> offer FD as both a contest and exercise in communications, and
> speak of the exercise opportunities at the other contests, especially
> those of rovers.
>
> --STeve Andre'
> wb8wsf en72
>
> On 06/27/11 14:21, Nigel Gunn wrote:
> > A bigger FD problem is that FD is advertised as a chance to demonstrate
> > your emergency comms ability to Joe Public.
> > FD is NOT a contest so why are points and bonuses involved at all?
> >
> > On 27/06/11 19:13, Bill Acito W1PA wrote:
> >> I think we have to let go of the mantra that ?any use of the bandwidth
> is good use? with respect to ?encouraging more satellite activity?. Wasn?t
> that the original intent of the ?100 point bonus? items? To encourage
> specific activities ? traffic handling, promotion, emergency power, etc.
> >>
> >
>
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