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Today's Topics:
1. Re: FD Mess (Jim Wright)
2. Re: FD Mess (Floyd Rodgers)
3. Re: Satellite Contacts During Field Day (Bruce)
4. Multiple FM satellite QSOs in Field Day (was Re: Re: Field
Day Dual-Hop!) (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
5. Re: Satellite Contacts During Field Day (Bob- W7LRD)
6. Re: [AMSAT-BB] ISS, what the heck happened? (Bob- W7LRD)
7. Re: FD- 2011 (George Henry)
8. Re: FD Mess (Bill Acito W1PA)
9. Re: FD Mess (John Becker)
10. Re: FD Mess (Nigel Gunn)
11. Re: Field Day Dual-Hop! (Andreas Junge)
12. Re: FD Mess (Andreas Junge)
13. Re: FD Mess (Patrick Green)
14. Linear Transponder on the ISS. (Douglas Phelps)
15. Re: FD Mess (George Henry)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 12:45:40 -0400
From: Jim Wright <wa4ivm@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
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About 50 years ago during the SSB wars, Dubya TOO Ole Yankee, W2OY,
was notorious for calling, *"CQ CQ, don't want any KIDS, LIDS or BUS
PATROLS, just good clean A M signals!" *
This describes at least three groups in ham radio today, not just on HF.
Kids *having fun*
LIDS *being LIDS*
Bus Patrols*commenting on the first two and jealous that they can't
participate "their way"*.
Only thing changed is 50 years have passed and the topic is satellites,
not AM.
Jim
On 6/27/2011 12:12 PM, Gregg Wonderly wrote:
> In my several years of being a licensed ham, this is the theme of most
contacts
> about SAT work. The OSCAR class stations always just do whatever they
want. It
> seems that the attitude is, I've spent the time and money to have this
kind of
> station, and I'm entitled to use it at my discretion. I think it is great
to
> see this kind of dedication to operating, but as many are saying here and
have
> said before, it seems a little bit more than unfair that a single resource
on
> the other end, is not shared fairly, especially for equipment which was
intended
> to be shared.
>
> Satellites are limited resources. If you put a lot of time and money into
your
> station to use that limited resource, you might also consider putting some
time
> and money into getting additional resources up in the air so that it's
easier
> for you to make good use of your system.
>
> Nothing is free in this world...
>
> Gregg Wonderly
> W5GGW
>
> On 6/27/2011 10:54 AM, wa4hfn@xxxxxxx.xxx wrote:
>> Field Day to my understanding is to see how ops can get on the with the
bare minimum of equipment needed to make the contact.NOT to blast the ****
out of the bird and walk all over the little guy trying to play fair.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jeff KB2M"<kb2m@xxxxxxx.xxx>
>> To: "AMSAT"<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
>> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 10:35:35 AM
>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
>>
>> If it wasn't for the Oscar class stations making "HI POWER multi
contacts"
>> who would help the vast majority of weak portable FD stations make their
one
>> FD contact? Certainly not a weak station calling CQ for 5 passes! I've
>> never heard two OCS making contact with each other, it's always with a much
>> weaker station. This is the other side of the same argument heard every
year
>> after FD. Anyway I got my contact :)
>>
>> 73 Jeff kb2m 2A SNJ
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
>> Behalf Of wa4hfn@xxxxxxx.xxx
>> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 11:14 AM
>> To: AMSAT
>> Subject: [amsat-bb] FD Mess
>>
>> It took me 5 satellite passes before I could make 1 contact There were too
>> many ops making what sounded like HI POWER multi contacts .This should not
>> have happened. Maybe someone with good writting skills could send the ARRL
>> world above 50 an artical on how to work the birds during FD
>> WA4HFN em55 Damon
>>
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 11:51:42 -0500
From: Floyd Rodgers <kc5qbc@xxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Guys, this seems simple to fix. The arrl gets the logs of everyone. How
hard is it to build a table of the sat contacts and check who gets more
than the allowed one contact?
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 10:24:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bruce <kk5do@xxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Satellite Contacts During Field Day
To: Carl Rimmer W8KRF <w8krf@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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unless you are submitting for amsat field day which many of the amsat members
do. then you want as many contacts on non-fm satellites as you can get
including
cw and digital.
73...bruce
________________________________
From: Carl Rimmer W8KRF <w8krf@xxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 11:30:29 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Satellite Contacts During Field Day
BUT...you can still only take credit for one 100 point contact.
*Carl W8KRF *
On 6/27/2011 12:10 PM, kq6ea@xxxxxxx.xxx wrote:
> Only on the FM satellites.
> The linear transponder satellites can be used to make as many contacts
> as you can.
>
> Jim KQ6EA
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 10:26:37 -0700
From: "Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)" <amsat-bb@xxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Multiple FM satellite QSOs in Field Day (was Re:
Re: Field Day Dual-Hop!)
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Hi!
I've seen comments like this from several on the list regarding Field Day:
> REALLY disappointed at the number of stations making multiple contacts on
> the FM birds... ?what these people don't seem to realize is that every extra
> contact they make deprives another station of the opportunity to make their
> one FD contact.
This is not necessarily true.
Yes, there are some stations that treat FM satellites just like a station on
20m SSB - work as many as possible. I did not attempt to work any of the
FM passes east of me, figuring my 5W station would not be able to get
through. Based on the comments I've read from those in that part of the
country, I did better by working HF or 6m during those eastern passes.
The "minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired
communications" (from FCC part 97.313a) would have been many times
more than the 5W I used. I confined my FM satellite activity to west-coast
passes, and - as K6LCS and KO6TH previously mentioned - the AO-51
pass late Saturday afternoon was a pleasant surprise in how easy it was
to get through. Much easier for me than the SSB birds!
On the west-coast AO-27 and AO-51 passes Saturday afternoon, I logged
more than one QSO on each pass. I was not a "big gun" station, working in
the forest 20 miles/32km west of Flagstaff AZ as a 1B/1-op/battery station at
5W as I typically do for Field Day. I will post a short video clip showing my
station, along with some photos, in the next day or so. Unfortunately, my
one SO-50 QSO didn't help for Field Day, as that QSO was with a station
that only gave his grid locator instead of a Field Day exchange. As for the
extra AO-27 and AO-51 QSOs I logged, they fell into one of two categories -
either helping another station get their satellite QSO (and 100-point bonus),
or responding to calls from other stations.
After making my point-scoring AO-27 QSO, I heard John W9EN on as N6SD.
We had chatted on VO-52 Saturday morning before the start of Field Day,
and I knew he would be on as N6SD instead of his own call. After some time
passed, I never heard anyone call or work N6SD. I called N6SD, and we
made a very quick QSO. It was N6SD's first satellite QSO, giving them the
100-point bonus under ARRL Field Day rules. For me, I logged the QSO,
but will not score it when I file my log with both ARRL and AMSAT. I was
not operating in violation of *FCC* rules in making this contact, and -
based on how I have filed my logs in previous Field Days where I had more
than one QSO on an FM satellite - not scoring the additional QSO is
acceptable with both groups. I'm sure it also helped that both John and I
are experienced satellite operators, able to adapt to the conditions and
make a very quick QSO despite the crowd.
After the QSO with N6SD on that AO-27 pass, and also on the later AO-51
pass, other stations called me. I recognized some of the voices as
experienced satellite operators working under other call signs. I responded,
made the Field Day exchanges, and logged a few more non-scoring QSOs.
I don't try to remember if I heard the other stations make QSOs earlier in
the pass. I work them, and log the QSOs accordingly. Things were so good
on the Saturday afternoon AO-51 pass that one station was making normal
non-Field Day QSOs among the others who were making Field Day QSOs.
I worked that station, giving him my grid locator instead of my Field Day
exchange.
To paint everyone who logged additional FM satellite QSOs during Field Day
as denying others from making a Field Day satellite QSO is not accurate. It
may be the only way some stations were able to log a Field Day satellite QSO,
and - in some cases - get the 100-point ARRL bonus. Since the crowded
conditions continue on the FM birds despite the one-QSO limit in both ARRL
and AMSAT rules, things probably won't change unless something else is
done. For example, take away the 100-point bonus in the ARRL Field Day
rules for completing a satellite QSO. I'm not advocating that ARRL do that,
but that bonus is why many groups will take the time and effort to get on the
satellites for Field Day. Otherwise, satellite operating would be
like trying to
make terrestrial 2m, 222 MHz, 70cm, etc. Field Day QSOs in much of North
America - a lot of work for a few QSOs.
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 17:27:34 +0000 (UTC)
From: Bob- W7LRD <w7lrd@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Satellite Contacts During Field Day
To: Bruce <kk5do@xxxx.xxx>
Cc: Carl Rimmer W8KRF <w8krf@xxxxx.xxx>, amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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I made my one contact on a ssb satellite with a 910/arrow.? There was as
"AMSAT" parallel fd "contest".? I cho se to let the gathering throng just
listen to several ssb passes and they took turns turning the arrow.? They
seemed amazed at listening to the process as opposed to being part of it.? I
was tempted to say hi to many of my satellite buddies, however I already had
my point. ? Maybe a "official" AMSAT contest could be considered in the
future where you pass your "current" AMSAT number or whatever.? Contests
always seem to bring many out of the corner.? Yep I heard you Glenn & Kerry.
my 2 cents
73 Bob W7LRD/aka K7FDF-2a-WWA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce" <kk5do@xxxx.xxx>
To: "Carl Rimmer W8KRF" <w8krf@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 9:24:15 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Satellite Contacts During Field Day
you can make only one contact per fm satellite per mode (this depends on the
satellite). if a satellite has a voice fm repeater operation on 2m/70cm as
well
as one on 70cm/2.4g then you could make one contact on each. otherwise, just
one
if only one repeater. if an ssb/cw bird, you can make as many as your little
heart is content with.
the problem is that on field day, everyone out there is trying to make their
ONE
ARRL bonus point contact. this clogs up the birds. the high power stations
operating from home try to give everyone a contact. is this acceptable, is it
not? it is your decision as to the proper way a satellite is to be used on
field
day.
AMSAT and adopted by the ARRL will allow only one satellite contact per FM
satellite per mode to try and give everyone a chance to get their bonus
points.
but in real life, the FM satellites are very difficult to get that one contact
unless you do it right at the beginning or end of your pass when there is less
confusion on the bird. this has been a continuous problem since i started
participating in field days in 1993.
don't forget, the discussions that happen here on the bb are only read by
such a
small group of operators that the ones you are addressing are not even hearing
your comments and suggestions. even an article in the arrl magazine will not
reach all the operators on the satellites as many are not even members of the
league.
i am not trying to be critical of anyone that has commented in on the problem,
just stating the facts and we have the same discussion every year.
73...bruce
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From: Carl Rimmer W8KRF <w8krf@xxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 10:51:43 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] ?Satellite Contacts During Field Day
I have a comment regarding FD satellite contacts. ?If I remember
correctly, it has been established that a station only make one (1)
satellite contact during the FD period so everyone can have a chance. ?
Making a contact or contacts on each of the available satellites during
each of their passes is improper and not according to my understanding
of the rules.
--
*Carl W8KRF *
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 17:47:31 +0000 (UTC)
From: Bob- W7LRD <w7lrd@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: [AMSAT-BB] ISS, what the heck happened?
To: Alexander Sack <pisymbol@xxxxx.xxx>
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This may open a can of worms-However, ?I'd like to see a "real" ham on the
ISS.? We all know what that means.? Granted they all take the tech license
to be "official" amateur radio operators.? However we don't see the
"passion" in the belly to get on the air.? There have been a few up there
that had that and it was noticable.?
73 Bob W7LRD
Seattle
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alexander Sack" <pisymbol@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "amsat-bb" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 4:08:17 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] ?[AMSAT-BB] ISS, what the heck happened?
So I think everyone read the announcement ARRL made before FD. ?Now
that FD weekend is at an end, can someone explain to me why NASA
couldn't let the astronauts have 10 minutes on the radio for one pass?
?I mean were they having issues with the radio itself?
I still don't see a 26th timeline as I thought that might give me a
clue on why this weekend was an epic failure (I mean I couldn't even
hear the digipeater at times).
-aps (KC2ZSX)
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 11:01:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: George Henry <ka3hsw@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FD- 2011
To: Peter Portanova <portanova911@xxxxxxx.xxx>, AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
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Which is precisely why the only time I unplugged the headphones and let
visitors
hear what was going on was during linear satellite passes, where things were
much more civilized.
George, KA3HSW
----- Original Message ----
> From: Peter Portanova <portanova911@xxxxxxx.xxx>
> To: AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
> Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 11:31:24 AM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] FD- 2011
[snip]
> I had visitors during all my passes, we had groups from the Scouts, the
> Explorers etc., unfortunately they heard what I heard and it was not a good
> demonstration of what Field Day should be. I really don't know what the
> solutions if any, to fix it for us. What we do is a challenge during the
[snip]
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 14:13:41 -0400
From: "Bill Acito W1PA" <w1pa@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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I did not participate in FD this year, but I have certainly heard my share
of them in recent years.
I think we have to let go of the mantra that ?any use of the bandwidth is
good use? with respect to ?encouraging more satellite activity?. Wasn?t
that the original intent of the ?100 point bonus? items? To encourage
specific activities ? traffic handling, promotion, emergency power, etc.
The FM birds have fixed bandwidth -- nothing we can do. There is no
mechanism to restrict FD stations to only one QSO on any FM bird. If you
read the FD rules, you can make multiple contacts on the SSB birds, and they
do count for QSO credit beyond the 100 point bonus ? you can only make one
QSO on any FM bird:
7.3.7. Satellite QSO: 100 bonus points for successfully completing at least
one QSO via an
amateur radio satellite during the Field Day period. "General Rules for All
ARRL Contests" (Rule
3.7.2.), (the no-repeater QSO stipulation) is waived for satellite QSOs.
Groups are allowed one
dedicated satellite transmitter station without increasing their entry
category. Satellite QSOs also
count for regular QSO credit. Show them listed separately on the summary
sheet as a separate
"band." You do not receive an additional bonus for contacting different
satellites, though the
additional QSOs may be counted for QSO credit unless prohibited under Rule
7.3.7.1. The QSO
must be between two Earth stations through a satellite. Available to Classes
A, B, and F.
7.3.7.1 Stations are limited to one (1) completed QSO on any single channel
FM satellite.
And there is certainly no mechanism to restrict the ERP that gets used. Is
anyone really surprised it sounds like it does?
IMHO, I think it does more harm than good in promoting this aspect of the
hobby, for a potential newbie to hear the FM birds on FD... restrict
activity to the transponder (SSB/CW) birds and be done with it ? no FM
satellite QSO?s at all during FD. Or have it like the ARRL Bulletin --- RX
only; copy some valid telemetry to get points.
Bill
W1PA
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 13:13:11 -0500
From: John Becker <w0jab@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Please correct me if I'm wrong.
But is seems that this is "only" a problem on the FM birds.
Maybe it's past time to not build any more FM satellites
and only the likes of AO-40.
I have given up on the FM birds because it seems that
(using the words of the late W2OY) every kid lid and space
cadet it there. (remind anyone of the 27 meter band?)
John, W0JAB
heat shield up
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 19:21:22 +0100
From: Nigel Gunn <nigel@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
To: Bill Acito W1PA <w1pa@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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A bigger FD problem is that FD is advertised as a chance to demonstrate
your emergency comms ability to Joe Public.
FD is NOT a contest so why are points and bonuses involved at all?
On 27/06/11 19:13, Bill Acito W1PA wrote:
> I think we have to let go of the mantra that ?any use of the bandwidth is
good use? with respect to ?encouraging more satellite activity?. Wasn?t
that the original intent of the ?100 point bonus? items? To encourage
specific activities ? traffic handling, promotion, emergency power, etc.
>
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 11:22:49 -0700
From: Andreas Junge <andreas@xxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Field Day Dual-Hop!
To: AMSAT -BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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I have to agree with Patrick on this one. We also checked the frequencies up
and down from the center of the passbands and there was little activity.
Just spread out. It was wonderful to see that there was so much activity. As
for the FM birds - it is what it is. One frequency with capture effect where
two people are happy and the rest does not make it. We, deliberately stayed
clear of the FM birds and focused on the ones with linear transponders. We
were better prepared to work the Satellites than ever before. SatPC32, LVB
Tracker, G5500, IC910 with Rig Control. Nature favors the prepared :-)
73,
Andreas, N6NU, CM87VK
On Jun 27, 2011, at 9:26 AM, Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK) wrote:
> Or everyone crowds the center of the passband and ignores
> the remainder of the 50- to 100-kHz transponder, making it almost seem
> like you're on an FM satellite.
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 11:29:29 -0700
From: Andreas Junge <andreas@xxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
To: AMSAT -BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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There is no such rule in the FD that limits you to one Satellite contact.
You need AT LEAST one for the 100 bonus points:
>From the FD rules (2011):
7.3.7. Satellite QSO: 100 bonus points for successfully completing at least
one QSO via an amateur radio satellite during the Field Day period. "General
Rules for All ARRL Contests" (Rule 3.7.2.), (the no-repeater QSO
stipulation) is waived for satellite QSOs. Groups are allowed one dedicated
satellite transmitter station without increasing their entry category.
Satellite QSOs also count for regular QSO credit. Show them listed
separately on the summary sheet as a separate "band." You do not receive an
additional bonus for contacting different satellites, though the additional
QSOs may be counted for QSO credit unless prohibited under Rule 7.3.7.1. The
QSO must be between two Earth stations through a satellite. Available to
Classes A, B, and F.
73,
Andreas, N6NU, CM87VK
On Jun 27, 2011, at 9:51 AM, Floyd Rodgers wrote:
> Guys, this seems simple to fix. The arrl gets the logs of everyone. How
> hard is it to build a table of the sat contacts and check who gets more
> than the allowed one contact?
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 13:48:48 -0500
From: Patrick Green <pagreen@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
To: Amsat BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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The ARRL should impose an ERP limit for satellite contacts. That
would solve the problem. I don't see how running amplifiers on FD is
in the spirit of what FD is all about. I've made contacts using 50 mw
so why do stations use 100+ watts *before* the antenna.. I wouldn't
want my kids playing around a FD site with this time of setup.
73 de Pat --- KA9SCF.
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 11:49:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Douglas Phelps <dphelps1@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Linear Transponder on the ISS.
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This is such an obvious question that I think there must be a reason it has
not
been done.? I would like someone to explain why it is not possible or
probable.?
I am not seeking to start a flame war.
Why can't we put a SSB/CW linear transponder on the ISS?? It could run
whenever
the ISS FM station is not being used.? It could use the same antennas.? It
would
seem to be an easy way to put up another linear transponder with a good signal
favoring stations without large antennas.? Could this be a way to bring SSB/CW
activity to a larger audience.
I would appreciate hearing from anyone that could shed some light on this.?
Thanks,
Doug
K9DLP
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 11:50:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: George Henry <ka3hsw@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
To: Andreas Junge <andreas@xxxx.xxx>, AMSAT -BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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Note that it says "additional QSOs may be counted for QSO credit ***unless
prohibited under Rule 7.3.7.1*** " (emphasis mine), which you conveniently
omitted.
Rule 7.3.7.1 says "Stations are limited to one (1) completed QSO on any single
channel FM satellite."
So yes, there IS such a rule.
George, KA3HSW
----- Original Message ----
> From: Andreas Junge <andreas@xxxx.xxx>
> To: AMSAT -BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 1:29:29 PM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
>
> There is no such rule in the FD that limits you to one Satellite contact.
You
>need AT LEAST one for the 100 bonus points:
>
>
> >From the FD rules (2011):
> 7.3.7. Satellite QSO: 100 bonus points for successfully completing at least
>one QSO via an amateur radio satellite during the Field Day period. "General
>Rules for All ARRL Contests" (Rule 3.7.2.), (the no-repeater QSO
stipulation)
>is waived for satellite QSOs. Groups are allowed one dedicated satellite
>transmitter station without increasing their entry category. Satellite QSOs
>also count for regular QSO credit. Show them listed separately on the
summary
>sheet as a separate "band." You do not receive an additional bonus for
>contacting different satellites, though the additional QSOs may be counted
for
>QSO credit unless prohibited under Rule 7.3.7.1. The QSO must be between two
>Earth stations through a satellite. Available to Classes A, B, and F.
>
>
>
> 73,
>
> Andreas, N6NU, CM87VK
>
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