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Today's Topics:
1. Re: FD Mess (Jeff KB2M)
2. Re: FD Mess (Tom Schaefer, NY4I)
3. Satellite Contacts During Field Day (Carl Rimmer W8KRF)
4. Re: FD Mess (wa4hfn@xxxxxxx.xxxx
5. Re: FD Mess (Dominic Hawken)
6. Re: FD Mess (Gregg Wonderly)
7. Re: FD Mess (Clint Bradford)
8. Re: Satellite Contacts During Field Day
(Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
9. Re: Satellite Contacts During Field Day (Bruce)
10. Re: Field Day Dual-Hop! (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
11. Re: Satellite Contacts During Field Day (Carl Rimmer W8KRF)
12. Re: Field Day Dual-Hop! (Luc Leblanc)
13. FD- 2011 (Peter Portanova)
14. Re: Satellite Contacts During Field Day (Joe)
15. Re: FD Mess (Joe)
16. Re: FD Mess (jmfranke)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 11:35:35 -0400
From: "Jeff KB2M" <kb2m@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
To: "'AMSAT'" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <013201cc34df$ddb5eae0$9921c0a0$@xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
If it wasn't for the Oscar class stations making "HI POWER multi contacts"
who would help the vast majority of weak portable FD stations make their one
FD contact? Certainly not a weak station calling CQ for 5 passes! I've
never heard two OCS making contact with each other, it's always with a much
weaker station. This is the other side of the same argument heard every year
after FD. Anyway I got my contact :)
73 Jeff kb2m 2A SNJ
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of wa4hfn@xxxxxxx.xxx
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 11:14 AM
To: AMSAT
Subject: [amsat-bb] FD Mess
It took me 5 satellite passes before I could make 1 contact There were too
many ops making what sounded like HI POWER multi contacts .This should not
have happened. Maybe someone with good writting skills could send the ARRL
world above 50 an artical on how to work the birds during FD
WA4HFN em55 Damon
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 11:36:47 -0400
From: "Tom Schaefer, NY4I" <ny4i@xxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
To: wa4hfn@xxxxxxx.xxx
Cc: AMSAT <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <66706255-521D-4466-8795-B7FE8F48AD0B@xxxx.xxx>
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My game plan was to listen to the zoo on the FM birds just for kicks but use
the linear birds for real contacts. After missing out last year as I was a
complete SAT newbie, I snagged a contact with first pass on FO-29 with W3AO
(25A MDC). I got a few more contacts on VO-52 before our washout send us
packing.
All it took this year was an IC 9100, 2m/440 SAT beam, MacDoppler and a
rotator. Next year it is back to the Arrow and the tripod but it was fun
getting that one contact this year versus missing out last year.
One suggestion on the multiple FM contacts?if you know any calls that were
making multiple contacts, call them out here. Granted, the call may be the
field day call, but I did hear guys that were 1D (at home) making more than
one contact. I just don't remember the calls. Peer pressure is a wonderful
thing to correct bad behavior. We should single operators that don't play by
the rules just as I would hope someone would let me know if I was doing
something stupid on a pass.
BTW, I was W4TA 5A West Central Florida this year.
73,
Tom Schaefer, NY4I
ny4i@xxxx.xxx
EL88pb
Monitoring EchoLink node KJ4FEC-L 489389
DSTAR Capable APRS: NY4I-15
On Jun 27, 2011, at 11:13 AM, wa4hfn@xxxxxxx.xxx wrote:
> It took me 5 satellite passes before I could make 1 contact There were too
many ops making what sounded like HI POWER multi contacts .This should not
have happened. Maybe someone with good writting skills could send the ARRL
world above 50 an artical on how to work the birds during FD
> WA4HFN em55 Damon
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 11:51:43 -0400
From: Carl Rimmer W8KRF <w8krf@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite Contacts During Field Day
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4E08A70F.5040108@xxxxx.xxx>
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I have a comment regarding FD satellite contacts. If I remember
correctly, it has been established that a station only make one (1)
satellite contact during the FD period so everyone can have a chance.
Making a contact or contacts on each of the available satellites during
each of their passes is improper and not according to my understanding
of the rules.
--
*Carl W8KRF *
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 15:54:14 +0000 (UTC)
From: wa4hfn@xxxxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
To: Jeff KB2M <kb2m@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: AMSAT <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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<1086767736.216868.1309190054934.JavaMail.root@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxx.xx.xxxx.xxx
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Field Day to my understanding is to see how ops can get on the with the bare
minimum of equipment needed to make the contact.NOT to blast the **** out of
the bird and walk all over the little guy trying to play fair.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff KB2M" <kb2m@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "AMSAT" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 10:35:35 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
If it wasn't for the Oscar class stations making "HI POWER multi contacts"
who would help the vast majority of weak portable FD stations make their one
FD contact? Certainly not a weak station calling CQ for 5 passes! I've
never heard two OCS making contact with each other, it's always with a much
weaker station. This is the other side of the same argument heard every year
after FD. Anyway I got my contact :)
73 Jeff kb2m 2A SNJ
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of wa4hfn@xxxxxxx.xxx
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 11:14 AM
To: AMSAT
Subject: [amsat-bb] FD Mess
It took me 5 satellite passes before I could make 1 contact There were too
many ops making what sounded like HI POWER multi contacts .This should not
have happened. Maybe someone with good writting skills could send the ARRL
world above 50 an artical on how to work the birds during FD
WA4HFN em55 Damon
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 15:56:51 +0000
From: "Dominic Hawken" <dominic@xxx.xx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
To: wa4hfn@xxxxxxx.xxx
Cc: AMSAT <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID:
<1587612175-1309190209-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-227778518-@xxx
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Is there a good FAQ / advice page online somewhere for relative newbies like
myself on satellite etiquette (no high power, no continuous long calls,
listen first etc)?
Dominic G6NQO
Sent from my BlackBerry? wireless device
-----Original Message-----
From: "Tom Schaefer, NY4I" <ny4i@xxxx.xxx>
Sender: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 11:36:47
To: <wa4hfn@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: AMSAT<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
My game plan was to listen to the zoo on the FM birds just for kicks but use
the linear birds for real contacts. After missing out last year as I was a
complete SAT newbie, I snagged a contact with first pass on FO-29 with W3AO
(25A MDC). I got a few more contacts on VO-52 before our washout send us
packing.
All it took this year was an IC 9100, 2m/440 SAT beam, MacDoppler and a
rotator. Next year it is back to the Arrow and the tripod but it was fun
getting that one contact this year versus missing out last year.
One suggestion on the multiple FM contacts?if you know any calls that were
making multiple contacts, call them out here. Granted, the call may be the
field day call, but I did hear guys that were 1D (at home) making more than
one contact. I just don't remember the calls. Peer pressure is a wonderful
thing to correct bad behavior. We should single operators that don't play by
the rules just as I would hope someone would let me know if I was doing
something stupid on a pass.
BTW, I was W4TA 5A West Central Florida this year.
73,
Tom Schaefer, NY4I
ny4i@xxxx.xxx
EL88pb
Monitoring EchoLink node KJ4FEC-L 489389
DSTAR Capable APRS: NY4I-15
On Jun 27, 2011, at 11:13 AM, wa4hfn@xxxxxxx.xxx wrote:
> It took me 5 satellite passes before I could make 1 contact There were too
many ops making what sounded like HI POWER multi contacts .This should not
have happened. Maybe someone with good writting skills could send the ARRL
world above 50 an artical on how to work the birds during FD
> WA4HFN em55 Damon
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 11:12:21 -0500
From: Gregg Wonderly <w5ggw@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
To: wa4hfn@xxxxxxx.xxx
Cc: AMSAT <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <4E08ABE5.6000105@xxx.xxx>
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In my several years of being a licensed ham, this is the theme of most
contacts
about SAT work. The OSCAR class stations always just do whatever they want.
It
seems that the attitude is, I've spent the time and money to have this kind of
station, and I'm entitled to use it at my discretion. I think it is great to
see this kind of dedication to operating, but as many are saying here and have
said before, it seems a little bit more than unfair that a single resource on
the other end, is not shared fairly, especially for equipment which was
intended
to be shared.
Satellites are limited resources. If you put a lot of time and money into
your
station to use that limited resource, you might also consider putting some
time
and money into getting additional resources up in the air so that it's easier
for you to make good use of your system.
Nothing is free in this world...
Gregg Wonderly
W5GGW
On 6/27/2011 10:54 AM, wa4hfn@xxxxxxx.xxx wrote:
> Field Day to my understanding is to see how ops can get on the with the
bare minimum of equipment needed to make the contact.NOT to blast the ****
out of the bird and walk all over the little guy trying to play fair.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff KB2M"<kb2m@xxxxxxx.xxx>
> To: "AMSAT"<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 10:35:35 AM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
>
> If it wasn't for the Oscar class stations making "HI POWER multi contacts"
> who would help the vast majority of weak portable FD stations make their one
> FD contact? Certainly not a weak station calling CQ for 5 passes! I've
> never heard two OCS making contact with each other, it's always with a much
> weaker station. This is the other side of the same argument heard every year
> after FD. Anyway I got my contact :)
>
> 73 Jeff kb2m 2A SNJ
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
> Behalf Of wa4hfn@xxxxxxx.xxx
> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 11:14 AM
> To: AMSAT
> Subject: [amsat-bb] FD Mess
>
> It took me 5 satellite passes before I could make 1 contact There were too
> many ops making what sounded like HI POWER multi contacts .This should not
> have happened. Maybe someone with good writting skills could send the ARRL
> world above 50 an artical on how to work the birds during FD
> WA4HFN em55 Damon
>
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 09:22:22 -0700
From: Clint Bradford <clintbradford@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <6C4808B8-636D-4D6D-8D61-DA1C7C43432D@xxx.xxx>
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>> ... There were too many ops making what sounded like HI POWER multi
contacts ...
I am quite proud of how stations acted out here on the West Coast. I mean,
we have the largest potential for problems, since we have the largest number
of hams compared to anywhere else in the U.S. Yes, the FM birds were busy
... and I even could call one particular pass a little chaotic (grin) ...
but, overall, common sense and reasonable operating techniques prevailed.
Clint Bradford, K6LCS
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 09:23:00 -0700
From: "Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)" <amsat-bb@xxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Satellite Contacts During Field Day
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Carl,
> I have a comment regarding FD satellite contacts. ?If I remember
> correctly, it has been established that a station only make one (1)
> satellite contact during the FD period so everyone can have a chance.
> Making a contact or contacts on each of the available satellites during
> each of their passes is improper and not according to my understanding
> of the rules.
The ARRL and AMSAT rules state that only one contact is allowed per
single-channel FM satellite. You could have made a QSO on AO-51, one
on AO-27, and one on SO-50 and stay within both sets of rules. There
are no restrictions on the number of QSOs made using other (non-FM)
satellites. You only need to make one satellite contact, on any satellite, to
claim the 100-point bonus if you submit your log to ARRL.
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 09:24:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bruce <kk5do@xxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Satellite Contacts During Field Day
To: Carl Rimmer W8KRF <w8krf@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <435810.28918.qm@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
you can make only one contact per fm satellite per mode (this depends on the
satellite). if a satellite has a voice fm repeater operation on 2m/70cm as
well
as one on 70cm/2.4g then you could make one contact on each. otherwise, just
one
if only one repeater. if an ssb/cw bird, you can make as many as your little
heart is content with.
the problem is that on field day, everyone out there is trying to make their
ONE
ARRL bonus point contact. this clogs up the birds. the high power stations
operating from home try to give everyone a contact. is this acceptable, is it
not? it is your decision as to the proper way a satellite is to be used on
field
day.
AMSAT and adopted by the ARRL will allow only one satellite contact per FM
satellite per mode to try and give everyone a chance to get their bonus
points.
but in real life, the FM satellites are very difficult to get that one contact
unless you do it right at the beginning or end of your pass when there is less
confusion on the bird. this has been a continuous problem since i started
participating in field days in 1993.
don't forget, the discussions that happen here on the bb are only read by
such a
small group of operators that the ones you are addressing are not even hearing
your comments and suggestions. even an article in the arrl magazine will not
reach all the operators on the satellites as many are not even members of the
league.
i am not trying to be critical of anyone that has commented in on the problem,
just stating the facts and we have the same discussion every year.
73...bruce
________________________________
From: Carl Rimmer W8KRF <w8krf@xxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 10:51:43 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite Contacts During Field Day
I have a comment regarding FD satellite contacts. If I remember
correctly, it has been established that a station only make one (1)
satellite contact during the FD period so everyone can have a chance.
Making a contact or contacts on each of the available satellites during
each of their passes is improper and not according to my understanding
of the rules.
--
*Carl W8KRF *
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 09:26:52 -0700
From: "Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)" <amsat-bb@xxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Field Day Dual-Hop!
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Joe,
> I feel the ideal would be the one QSO per station during FD. As it is
> intended to be. ?Maybe have an OO monitor passes like when FD is
> happening and send out pink slips to all that do not abide by the one
> QSO policy during FD?
Other than possibly having the OO's cite the operator for not following
"good amateur practice" in FCC part 97.101a of the FCC rules, what
could an OO do? There is no FCC rule that says operators make one
and only one QSO on an FM satellite, and OO's are not in the business
of upholding contest rules. If stations are identifying and not causing
willful or malicious interference that could be cited under FCC part
97.101d, and aren't violating any other part of the FCC rules, then the
OO has nothing to send out a pink slip for. Even if an OO were to
send out a pink slip, the station would receive it a few days after the
Field Day weekend - which doesn't help matters during the weekend.
> I don't know.
> A simple small linear transponder would be soo much nicer. And not all
> that hard to make either.
We have 3 that were used a lot over the weekend, much more than normal.
When it isn't Field Day, there are many times where stations can call CQ
for an entire pass on those satellites yet work nobody. I even saw this a
couple of times on Saturday afternoon, where I moved higher in the
passband so I could hear my downlink easier, yet nobody responded to
my CQ calls. Or everyone crowds the center of the passband and ignores
the remainder of the 50- to 100-kHz transponder, making it almost seem
like you're on an FM satellite.
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 12:30:29 -0400
From: Carl Rimmer W8KRF <w8krf@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Satellite Contacts During Field Day
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4E08B025.3000600@xxxxx.xxx>
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BUT...you can still only take credit for one 100 point contact.
*Carl W8KRF *
On 6/27/2011 12:10 PM, kq6ea@xxxxxxx.xxx wrote:
> Only on the FM satellites.
> The linear transponder satellites can be used to make as many contacts
> as you can.
>
> Jim KQ6EA
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 08:47:01 -0400
From: Luc Leblanc <lucleblanc6@xxxxxxxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Field Day Dual-Hop!
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4E087BC5.1597.8F5B3@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xx>
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On 27 Jun 2011 at 0:01, George Henry wrote:
Date sent: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 00:01:28 -0500
From: George Henry <ka3hsw@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Field Day Dual-Hop!
To: amsat bb <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> I actually made most of our (W9CCU) contacts on FO-29 this year, with AO-7
> and VO-52 close behind.
>
> REALLY disappointed at the number of stations making multiple contacts on
> the FM birds... what these people don't seem to realize is that every extra
> contact they make deprives another station of the opportunity to make their
> one FD contact.
>
> George, KA3HSW
>
>
If someone called CW FD 3 or 4 times without any answer it is a plus if this
station give him his first one but if FD stations are only
adding contact to their log i agree it is useless on Field Day
"-"
Luc Leblanc VE2DWE
Skype VE2DWE
www.qsl.net/ve2dwe
DSTAR urcall VE2DWE
WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 12:31:24 -0400
From: "Peter Portanova" <portanova911@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] FD- 2011
To: <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <2CC4BB498D5246329706C8D253694A88@xxxx>
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Hello All,
I too was disappointed by the pileups on all the satellites, our FD
location, W2GSB,is part of our Town Hall facility, it is a great location
for the public to experience what we do as amateur radio operators. However
it is a very poor location for satellite activity, too much RF leakage from
the cell towers buildings and large trees. I was using a hand-held antenna
and low power and didn't have a chance. It was the type of chaos we see for
a rare DX station or in one of the popular contests, having a mix of CW and
SSB in the same space on the linear satellites was an additional challenge.
I had visitors during all my passes, we had groups from the Scouts, the
Explorers etc., unfortunately they heard what I heard and it was not a good
demonstration of what Field Day should be. I really don't know what the
solutions if any, to fix it for us. What we do is a challenge during the
best of times when you add the FD fuel, with less structure that terrestrial
radio has, chaos ensues. I wonder if it's feasible to have a few satellite
stations, around the country, that have a good FD location, act as "the DX
stations" and set up a call in by numbers for a few designated passes, to
demonstrate to the public why we love what we do and maybe interest them
enough to join AMSAT and become a satellite operator.
73's Pete
WB2OQQ
www.massapequanyweather.com
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 11:38:12 -0500
From: Joe <nss@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Satellite Contacts During Field Day
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4E08B1F4.3000002@xxx.xxx>
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Agree, The rules state,
7.3.7.1 Stations are limited to one (1) completed QSO on any single
channel FM satellite.
So maybe the ARRL dhould DQ these people when they submit their logs?
I hope so.
Granted this doesn't stop someone operating just to make contacts and
don't send in their logs for FD.
But wow it would sure make my 5A group remember that rule if after doing
all this work (Fun) to have it listed as a DQ because of breaking that
rule that is soo clearly stated.
Joe WB9SBD
The Original Rolling Ball Clock
Idle Tyme
Idle-Tyme.com
http://www.idle-tyme.com
On 6/27/2011 10:51 AM, Carl Rimmer W8KRF wrote:
> I have a comment regarding FD satellite contacts. If I remember
> correctly, it has been established that a station only make one (1)
> satellite contact during the FD period so everyone can have a chance.
> Making a contact or contacts on each of the available satellites during
> each of their passes is improper and not according to my understanding
> of the rules.
>
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 11:40:25 -0500
From: Joe <nss@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4E08B279.2050508@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
True and isn't that actually breaking a FCC rule law also, ya know we
must only run the minimum power needed to maintain the contact? being
50 DB stronger than any other signal on the bird is clearly breaking a
federal law. rule.
Joe WB9SBD
The Original Rolling Ball Clock
Idle Tyme
Idle-Tyme.com
http://www.idle-tyme.com
On 6/27/2011 10:54 AM, wa4hfn@xxxxxxx.xxx wrote:
> Field Day to my understanding is to see how ops can get on the with the
bare minimum of equipment needed to make the contact.NOT to blast the ****
out of the bird and walk all over the little guy trying to play fair.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff KB2M"<kb2m@xxxxxxx.xxx>
> To: "AMSAT"<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 10:35:35 AM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
>
> If it wasn't for the Oscar class stations making "HI POWER multi contacts"
> who would help the vast majority of weak portable FD stations make their one
> FD contact? Certainly not a weak station calling CQ for 5 passes! I've
> never heard two OCS making contact with each other, it's always with a much
> weaker station. This is the other side of the same argument heard every year
> after FD. Anyway I got my contact :)
>
> 73 Jeff kb2m 2A SNJ
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
> Behalf Of wa4hfn@xxxxxxx.xxx
> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 11:14 AM
> To: AMSAT
> Subject: [amsat-bb] FD Mess
>
> It took me 5 satellite passes before I could make 1 contact There were too
> many ops making what sounded like HI POWER multi contacts .This should not
> have happened. Maybe someone with good writting skills could send the ARRL
> world above 50 an artical on how to work the birds during FD
> WA4HFN em55 Damon
>
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 12:41:58 -0400
From: "jmfranke" <jmfranke@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
To: "Tom Schaefer, NY4I" <ny4i@xxxx.xxx>, <wa4hfn@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: AMSAT <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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So if there are three stations operating, only two can make a contact
because the once two make contact with each other neither can contact the
third.
John WA4WDL
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From: "Tom Schaefer, NY4I" <ny4i@xxxx.xxx>
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 11:36 AM
To: <wa4hfn@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: "AMSAT" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
> My game plan was to listen to the zoo on the FM birds just for kicks but
> use the linear birds for real contacts. After missing out last year as I
> was a complete SAT newbie, I snagged a contact with first pass on FO-29
> with W3AO (25A MDC). I got a few more contacts on VO-52 before our washout
> send us packing.
>
> All it took this year was an IC 9100, 2m/440 SAT beam, MacDoppler and a
> rotator. Next year it is back to the Arrow and the tripod but it was fun
> getting that one contact this year versus missing out last year.
>
> One suggestion on the multiple FM contacts?if you know any calls that were
> making multiple contacts, call them out here. Granted, the call may be the
> field day call, but I did hear guys that were 1D (at home) making more
> than one contact. I just don't remember the calls. Peer pressure is a
> wonderful thing to correct bad behavior. We should single operators that
> don't play by the rules just as I would hope someone would let me know if
> I was doing something stupid on a pass.
>
> BTW, I was W4TA 5A West Central Florida this year.
>
> 73,
>
>
> Tom Schaefer, NY4I
> ny4i@xxxx.xxx
> EL88pb
> Monitoring EchoLink node KJ4FEC-L 489389
> DSTAR Capable APRS: NY4I-15
>
>
>
> On Jun 27, 2011, at 11:13 AM, wa4hfn@xxxxxxx.xxx wrote:
>
>> It took me 5 satellite passes before I could make 1 contact There were
>> too many ops making what sounded like HI POWER multi contacts .This
>> should not have happened. Maybe someone with good writting skills could
>> send the ARRL world above 50 an artical on how to work the birds during
>> FD
>> WA4HFN em55 Damon
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