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Today's Topics:
1. Re: The Need for Phonetics (Greg D.)
2. Re: STANDARD (KF1BUZ)
3. Re: STANDARD (Bob K0NR - email list)
4. AMSAT-France NEWS (n4csitwo@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx
5. Re: Proper Phonetics (Roger Kolakowski)
6. Re: ITU Phonetics - Kilo (Roger Kolakowski)
7. Re: ITU Phonetics - Kilo (Bob- W7LRD)
8. Re: AMSAT-France NEWS (don)
9. Use latest ISS element sets (Viktor Kudielka)
10. Re: fast1&2 (Nick Pugh K5QXJ)
11. Re: Use latest ISS element sets (Alan P. Biddle)
12. Re: anybody hear Arissat-1 yet? (Phil Karn)
13. Arissat-1 (CA3SOC Raul Romero)
14. Re: Wanted: ARISSat-1 audio recordings (Phil Karn)
15. ARRISSat Reception 14.45 UTC (Nitin Muttin)
16. Re: STANDARD (Glen Zook)
17. Re: AMSAT-France NEWS (Dee)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 20:08:35 -0700
From: "Greg D." <ko6th_greg@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: The Need for Phonetics
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <BLU133-W16B718D5F5F50B6E0A1A12A9A80@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
I've also had a frequent problem with Oscar being heard as Alpha, so I
usually over-emphasize the Oh part.
Greg - Kilo OH-scar 6 Tango Hotel
And, yes, Ernestine (Lily Tomblin) made it very clear that it is "K" as in
Knight.
> From: aa5jg@xxxxxxx.xxx
> To: jshorney@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 01:53:53 +0000
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: The Need for Phonetics
>
> I have found that Japan works much better than Juliet for the letter J.
> People keep hearing Juliet as India. don't know why, they don't sound
> anything alike, but that is what happens.
>
> 73s John AA5JG
>
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 20:09:16 -0700
From: KF1BUZ <kf1buz@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: STANDARD
To: "'K5VGU Duane Vigue'" <k5vgu@xxxxxxx.xxx>, <summit496@xxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <004b01cbf7f5$d884a150$898de3f0$@xxx>
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Hey can o empty worms,
Z
What is the deal there zed? Zed ted same same ZULU clear as a bell.. Kilo
foxtrot one bravo uniform Zulu.
-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of K5VGU Duane Vigue
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 7:37 PM
To: summit496@xxxx.xxx
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: STANDARD
No comment on the phonetics discussion...tastes great, less
filling...however, I do have something on the following comment:
<<<Oh and by the way its HAND HELD not handy talky, you guys talkin on your
baby moniter or somethin?>>> A little history lesson for some of us here (
me included )...google SCR-536...I assume this is where the term "handie
talkie" comes from. Note the radio "received coverage" in the November 1942
QST. Interesting.
73 all...see you on the birds!
Duane, K5VGU
Wetumpka, AL
EM62wm
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 21:50:33 -0600
From: Bob K0NR - email list <list@xxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: STANDARD
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4DA27A89.3050904@xxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Surely you didn't mean to imply that HT (Handy Talkie) is not a treasured and
valid amateur radio term? :-)
73, Bob K0NR
On 4/10/2011 5:41 PM, Kevin Deane wrote:
> Boy did I open up a can of worms... I personaly think that even though we
dont "Have" to use the standard I think is not only sounds the best but just
seems everyone should use the same one in my opinion. Sure if you know you
are talking with some guy in Mexico or whatever, maybe then use the
geographical one. There is always going to be a language barrier, and I will
agree with some of you to do what it takes to get the job done.
>
> But on a general rule I will be using the STANDARD and I also agree that
"Kilowatt" is the stupidest most insecure substitute ever. Might as well
start talking like the cops, boy and george for chist's sake. Oh and by the
way its HAND HELD not handy talky, you guys talkin on your baby moniter or
somethin?
>
> I dont like being told what to use any more than the other guy, BUT the
STANDARD IS BEST why do you think us pilots use it? (student pilot here...)
>
> Have a nice day! :)
>
> Kevin
> KF7MYK
>
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 01:06:24 -0400
From: <n4csitwo@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT-France NEWS
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <A7E0EDD44FB14072BA6678B6A1FB0644@xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
I just saw a tweet from Joe N6CL that AMSAT- France by a vote of 11 to 10
has voted itself out of existence.
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 01:18:12 -0400
From: Roger Kolakowski <Rogerkola@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Proper Phonetics
To: i8cvs <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx>
Cc: Clint Bradford <clintbradford@xxx.xxx>, AMSAT BB
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <4DA28F14.1080104@xxx.xxx>
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Not from us in Boston...
Roger
WA1KAT
On 4/10/2011 6:28 PM, i8cvs wrote:
> The pronunciations given for "Oscar" and "Victor" may seem awkward to
> English-speaking people in the US.
>
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 01:52:51 -0400
From: Roger Kolakowski <Rogerkola@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ITU Phonetics - Kilo
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4DA29733.2080103@xxx.xxx>
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Until they start "correcting" names and Bombay becomes Mumbai and Peking
becomes Beijing...
Roger
WA1KAT
On 4/10/2011 6:57 PM, Glen Zook wrote:
> If you want to get technical, geographic names has been a "standard" much
longer than the ICAO phonetics. However, it is fine with me if you insist
on using the ICAO phonetics when in a DX pileup. That just means that I am
generally going to work the DX first!
>
> As I keep saying, there is a place for ICAO phonetics and there is a place
for geographic names. I do use ICAO phonetics when working stateside and
generally with operators who speak English as their primary language. But,
when in a pileup trying to work a DX station I definitely switch to
geographical names because I work the DX MUCH sooner!
>
> Glen, K9STH
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 06:25:59 +0000 (UTC)
From: Bob- W7LRD <w7lrd@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ITU Phonetics - Kilo
To: Roger Kolakowski <Rogerkola@xxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID:
<385163915.3858732.1302503159359.JavaMail.root@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xx.xxxx.xxxx
xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
I just broke my Delta-echo-lima-echo-tango-echo key
73 Bob W7LRD
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Kolakowski" <Rogerkola@xxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 10:52:51 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ITU Phonetics - Kilo
Until they start "correcting" names and Bombay becomes Mumbai and Peking
becomes Beijing...
Roger
WA1KAT
On 4/10/2011 6:57 PM, Glen Zook wrote:
> If you want to get technical, geographic names has been a "standard" much
longer than the ICAO phonetics. ?However, it is fine with me if you insist
on using the ICAO phonetics when in a DX pileup. ?That just means that I am
generally going to work the DX first!
>
> As I keep saying, there is a place for ICAO phonetics and there is a place
for geographic names. ?I do use ICAO phonetics when working stateside and
generally with operators who speak English as their primary language. ?But,
when in a pileup trying to work a DX station I definitely switch to
geographical names because I work the DX MUCH sooner!
>
> Glen, K9STH
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:22:40 +1200
From: don <donmc@xxxx.xx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT-France NEWS
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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On 11/04/2011 5:06 PM, n4csitwo@xxxxxxxxx.xxx wrote:
> I just saw a tweet from Joe N6CL that AMSAT- France by a vote of 11 to 10
has voted itself out of existence.
>
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Perhaps they had the misfortune to be readers of this bb and just
couldn't stand any more "discussions" on lotw or diplexors or phonetics
or cranky old farts bemoaning the lack of HEO's or useless, pointless,
grid chasing. Has the Amateur Satellite service degenerated to the level
of general ham radio.....no technical expertise, no interest in the
"how",and "why" or the friendly help for for folk with an interest in
the TECHNICAL side of ham radio.....surely the folk who can manage to
get a contact on a very high repeater must be satisfied, and move on to
a more challenging pursuit such as collecting foam cups or something.
My thanks to Domenico and Erich and the others who present satisfying
technical input to the board...to the others, please go back to another
BB to discuss phonetics,lotw, etc.
Surely there must be another BB to arrange(!!!!) and discuss contacts on
the AO51 repeater?
Cranky Old Fart, Flame suit ON,
Don
ZL1THO
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 09:51:41 +0000
From: Viktor Kudielka <viktor.kudielka@xxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Use latest ISS element sets
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <20110411095141.GC26119@xxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Hello all,
In the following you see visibility predictions for the ISS generated
with element sets 11 and 4 days old (from Ray Hoad) and new ones
(from space-track).
Differences of about one and a half minutes do occur.
Even the orbit number changes !
Either you use the newest data or you should be patient ;)
Vy 73, Viktor OE1VKW
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
Element Set Number: 105 (Orbit 70873)
Element Set Epoch : 31Mar11 21:27:39.138 UTC
Date (UTC) Time (UTC) of Duration Azimuth at Peak Vis
Orbit
AOS MEL LOS of Pass AOS MEL LOS Elev
Mon 11Apr11 20:58:54 21:02:49 21:06:47 00:07:53 188 135 81 9.8 NNN
71046
22:32:41 22:37:34 22:42:27 00:09:46 235 150 69 56.6* NNN
71047
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
Element Set Number: 150 (Orbit 70981)
Element Set Epoch : 07Apr11 18:09:13.138 UTC
Date (UTC) Time (UTC) of Duration Azimuth at Peak Vis
Orbit
AOS MEL LOS of Pass AOS MEL LOS Elev
Mon 11Apr11 20:59:48 21:03:46 21:07:44 00:07:56 189 135 81 10.0 NNN
71046
22:33:37 22:38:30 22:43:22 00:09:46 235 150 69 57.4* NNN
71047
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
Element Set Number: 169 (Orbit 71038)
Element Set Epoch : 11Apr11 09:01:50.793 UTC
Date (UTC) Time (UTC) of Duration Azimuth at Peak Vis
Orbit
AOS MEL LOS of Pass AOS MEL LOS Elev
Mon 11Apr11 21:00:22 21:04:20 21:08:18 00:07:56 189 135 81 10.1 NNN
71047
22:34:10 22:39:03 22:43:59 00:09:49 236 155 69 58.0* NNN
71048
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
--
Viktor W. Kudielka
AMSAT-NA LM-240;AMSAT-UK;AMSAT-DL;OeVSV
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 05:31:44 -0500
From: "Nick Pugh K5QXJ" <quadpugh@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: fast1&2
To: "'jerry keeton'" <jkboxk@xxxxxxxx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <0b0b01cbf833$a76cd860$f6468920$@xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Do you have a source of current keps?
nick
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of jerry keeton
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 12:17 PM
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] fast1&2
UTEXAS needs to do something with Their website if They want data sent to
them . If anyone is interested , here is the 12:00 noon pass :
17:09 FAST2>BEACON>UI,?,F0 (1200 baud):
F21001630493718.5877830589824 21+0.1765+0.0588+0.6000 -3903952.94
-3773326.54 +4430538.23 364283286 010 013 010 015 025
Jerry WB5LHD
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 06:56:43 -0500
From: "Alan P. Biddle" <APBIDDLE@xxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Use latest ISS element sets
To: "'Viktor Kudielka'" <viktor.kudielka@xxxx.xxx>,
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <2307E8DF67324242BB23FB086F0AF464@xxxxxx>
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Viktor,
Thanks for the reminder.
Celestrak has the latest from Space Track, so if you use a program such as
SATPC32 or HRD which automatically downloads the Keps, you should be good to
go. Be certain that you are not only downloading the AMATEUR.TXT file but
also using it, as it is possible to specify the NASA.ALL file.
The current from Space Track, as of 1130 UTC, 11 April:
ISS
1 25544U 98067A 11101.37628233 .00032616 00000-0 23573-3 0 1698
2 25544 051.6455 143.8057 0002743 098.2314 353.0153 15.73176289710387
Alan
WA4SCA
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Viktor Kudielka
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 4:52 AM
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Use latest ISS element sets
Hello all,
In the following you see visibility predictions for the ISS generated
with element sets 11 and 4 days old (from Ray Hoad) and new ones
(from space-track).
Differences of about one and a half minutes do occur.
Even the orbit number changes !
Either you use the newest data or you should be patient ;)
Vy 73, Viktor OE1VKW
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
Element Set Number: 105 (Orbit 70873)
Element Set Epoch : 31Mar11 21:27:39.138 UTC
Date (UTC) Time (UTC) of Duration Azimuth at Peak Vis
Orbit
AOS MEL LOS of Pass AOS MEL LOS Elev
Mon 11Apr11 20:58:54 21:02:49 21:06:47 00:07:53 188 135 81 9.8 NNN
71046
22:32:41 22:37:34 22:42:27 00:09:46 235 150 69 56.6* NNN
71047
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
Element Set Number: 150 (Orbit 70981)
Element Set Epoch : 07Apr11 18:09:13.138 UTC
Date (UTC) Time (UTC) of Duration Azimuth at Peak Vis
Orbit
AOS MEL LOS of Pass AOS MEL LOS Elev
Mon 11Apr11 20:59:48 21:03:46 21:07:44 00:07:56 189 135 81 10.0 NNN
71046
22:33:37 22:38:30 22:43:22 00:09:46 235 150 69 57.4* NNN
71047
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
Element Set Number: 169 (Orbit 71038)
Element Set Epoch : 11Apr11 09:01:50.793 UTC
Date (UTC) Time (UTC) of Duration Azimuth at Peak Vis
Orbit
AOS MEL LOS of Pass AOS MEL LOS Elev
Mon 11Apr11 21:00:22 21:04:20 21:08:18 00:07:56 189 135 81 10.1 NNN
71047
22:34:10 22:39:03 22:43:59 00:09:49 236 155 69 58.0* NNN
71048
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
--
Viktor W. Kudielka
AMSAT-NA LM-240;AMSAT-UK;AMSAT-DL;OeVSV
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 07:18:55 -0700
From: Phil Karn <karn@xxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: anybody hear Arissat-1 yet?
To: Clint Bradford <clintbradford@xxx.xxx>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <BANLkTimh+8GB_109PDeAFZu-SOHv=XGdTg@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
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According to my elements, the next orbit will graze the western horizon here
in San Diego starting about 8:1I'm seeing one horizon-grazing pass to the
west this morning 4/11 starting around 8:18AM PDT. Maximum elevation is only
about 6 degrees so I'm not expecting much.
On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 9:03 AM, Clint Bradford <clintbradford@xxx.xxx>wrote:
> What notes are you working from???
>
> Times are ...
>
> 11:06PM PDT 04/11
> 05:32AM PDT 04/12
> 07:07AM PDT 04/12
> 09:56PM PDT 04/12
> 11:32PM PDT 04/12
>
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 11:22:08 -0300
From: "CA3SOC Raul Romero" <ce3soc@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Arissat-1
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <27BAB3C3063C48AD877CED6240516F0C@xxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Not copied
14::08 UTC
Raul Romero
9-7190753
ce3soc@xxxxx.xxx
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 07:26:54 -0700
From: Phil Karn <karn@xxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Wanted: ARISSat-1 audio recordings
To: Douglas Quagliana <dquagliana@xxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx ans-editor@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <BANLkTimuKz738DPJQu9B8my8kPe8qcOqSQ@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 11:07 AM, Douglas Quagliana <dquagliana@xxx.xxx>wrote:
>
>
> Save your recordings as .WAV files. Don't use MP3 format and
> don't convert the recordings into MP3 recordings. Leave the
> recordings as big huge .WAV files.
>
>
Let me stress the importance of this. MP3 is a "lossy" format, designed only
to make something that "sounds like" the original signal did to the human
ear. It is not intended for digitally modulated signals that are to be
decoded by a modem!
Although the BPSK1000 format has actually been decoded from an
MP3-compressed copy, this came as quite a surprise to me - it's certainly
not something to rely on!
A *lossless* compression scheme like FLAC, Shorten or Apple Lossless would
be fine, if you have one. But if you're not sure, just keep the original
.wav files. Thanks!
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:23:43 +0530
From: "Nitin Muttin" <vu3tyg@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] ARRISSat Reception 14.45 UTC
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsatindia@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
All,
Nothing heard from the ARRISSat-1 on 145.950 / 437.550 and 145.919 during
the 14.42 UTC pass over India.
73's
Nitin [VU3TYG]
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 08:07:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: Glen Zook <gzook@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: STANDARD
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx Kevin Deane <summit496@xxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <890136.56613.qm@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
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Kilowatt as a phonetic for the letter "K" has been used since at least the
1930s, long before the ICAO phonetic. Again, there are those who insist on
using only ICAO phonetics and there are those who use what it is needed to
get the job done in the shortest amount of time.
If the hand held was manufactured by Motorola then it is a "handy talky".
However, anything else is a hand held. The various spellings of "handy
talky" are registered trademarks of Motorola and Motorola does defend its
trademarks.
Back in the early 1970s, when the Japanese first started exporting hand held
units into the United States, the various companies advertised them, in
amateur radio magazines as variations on "handy talky". Within hours the
Motorola lawyers contacted all of the magazines "reminding" them that the
term was a registered trademark. The magazines were given several
alternatives: Continue the advertisements and be sued by Motorola; drop the
advertisements completely; or have the advertiser change the "copy" to
eliminate the trademark before again printing the advertisement. The
magazines decided to have the "copy" changed.
Of course, many amateur radio operators don't know that "handy talky" (etc.)
are registered trademarks and use the term to mean any hand held radio. It
is just like a copy of a document is called a "Xerox" by many no matter who
made the copy machine. What the manufacturers are doing by challenging
advertisements from other companies using their trademarks is to keep from
losing the trademark by it becoming a generic term.
Glen, K9STH
Website: http://k9sth.com
--- On Sun, 4/10/11, Kevin Deane <summit496@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
Boy did I open up a can of worms... I personaly think that even though we
dont "Have" to use the standard I think is not only sounds the best but just
seems everyone should use the same one in my opinion. Sure if you know you
are talking with some guy in Mexico or whatever, maybe then use the
geographical one. There is always going to be a language barrier, and I will
agree with some of you to do what it takes to get the job done.
But on a general rule I will be using the STANDARD and I also agree that
"Kilowatt" is the stupidest most insecure substitute ever. Might as well
start talking like the cops, boy and george for chist's sake. Oh and by the
way its HAND HELD not handy talky, you guys talkin on your baby moniter or
somethin?
I dont like being told what to use any more than the other guy, BUT the
STANDARD IS BEST why do you think us pilots use it?? (student pilot here...)
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 11:15:36 -0400
From: Dee <morsesat@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT-France NEWS
To: "'don'" <donmc@xxxx.xx.xx>, amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Cc: Peter Portanova <roic@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <279A9BC0B84E43818D2FAB6A1DA0E208@xxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Don,
I too am saddened by the outcome of AMSAT-France. This latest discussion
about Phonetics had me cringing too. If a standard is put together to make
it clearer to understand each other, than so be it. I remember (yes I am an
old cranky Fart, I guess) before Satcom, phonetics had to be used to make
sure of the calls of the stations you were communicating with. Like my Name-
If I didn't use Delta Echo Echo I might be called BEE(?) (HA!)
Maybe the BOD is listening to the powers to be about why our group is
shrinking and maybe not. Just back from another Hamfest, the people that I
try to persuade about joining or "rejoining" have the same old fart
attitude..What happened to HEO thinking? While I enjoy LEO's as well, we
have to reach another road or the AMSAT France syndrome will take
effect(Notice how I merged that in there...)
I have read many technical discussions here on the BB and have even answered
many questions as well. There are those that will assist if requested. Let
us all take the "higher" road and show those that use the satellites need to
support our group so we can move up the ladder to newer projects with a
sense of backing from the "Membership!" MEMBERSHIP means getting your
checkbooks out and renew as required. Dayton is around the corner. Come to
the booth and meet all the heavy hitters that spend so much of their free
time volunteering to keep all enthralled in this end of the hobby. Discuss
what you feel the direction of this organization should be.
If you are in the NJ area, meet me at a local hamfest. Your views are
important - so is your renewal of partnership in our group.
Phonetically speaking and drinking from my foam cup...
November Bravo (two) Foxtrot,
Delta Echo Echo - Old Foxtrot Alpha Romeo Tango (Tung in cheek guys)
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Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT-France NEWS
On 11/04/2011 5:06 PM, n4csitwo@xxxxxxxxx.xxx wrote:
> I just saw a tweet from Joe N6CL that AMSAT- France by a vote of 11 to 10
has voted itself out of existence.
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Perhaps they had the misfortune to be readers of this bb and just couldn't
stand any more "discussions" on lotw or diplexors or phonetics or cranky old
farts bemoaning the lack of HEO's or useless, pointless, grid chasing. Has
the Amateur Satellite service degenerated to the level of general ham
radio.....no technical expertise, no interest in the "how",and "why" or the
friendly help for for folk with an interest in the TECHNICAL side of ham
radio.....surely the folk who can manage to get a contact on a very high
repeater must be satisfied, and move on to a more challenging pursuit such
as collecting foam cups or something.
My thanks to Domenico and Erich and the others who present satisfying
technical input to the board...to the others, please go back to another BB
to discuss phonetics,lotw, etc.
Surely there must be another BB to arrange(!!!!) and discuss contacts on the
AO51 repeater?
Cranky Old Fart, Flame suit ON,
Don
ZL1THO
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