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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Yaesu FTM-350AR (Zachary Beougher)
2. Re: The Need for Phonetics (W4ART Arthur Feller)
3. Bandwith (Peter Portanova)
4. Re: Yaesu FTM-350AR (Zachary Beougher)
5. Cans o' Worms (Clint Bradford)
6. Re: ITU Phonetics - Kilo (Jeff Moore)
7. Re: The Need for Phonetics (Jeff Moore)
8. Bandwith (Ted)
9. Re: Cans o' Worms (Clint Bradford)
10. Re: The Need for Phonetics (Jim Shorney)
11. UH-OH! (Kevin Deane)
12. Re: The Need for Phonetics (John Geiger)
13. Re: Cans o' Worms (k6yk)
14. Re: STANDARD (K5VGU Duane Vigue)
15. Re: ITU Phonetics - Kilo (Gary "Joe" Mayfield)
16. FS: Anritsu power meter/counter/sig gen (Tyler Harpster)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 19:58:09 -0400
From: "Zachary Beougher" <zack.kd8ksn@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Yaesu FTM-350AR
To: "John Price" <n4qwf1@xxxxx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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Funny - I just used it for the first time mobile this past Thursday..... It
seemed to work really well. I worked SO67, so I am not overly sure on the
audio quality since SO67's audio is different from AO51/27/etc. The receive
was not very good, but a preamp should help. I was using a dual band 1/4
wave (2m) mag mount antenna, and with the built in duplexer I had no trouble
hearing my downlink. The one thing I do not like is the power settings -
you have 5w, 25w or 50w. If you are having trouble getting in with 5w, your
only other option is 25w.
Zack
KD8KSN
-----Original Message-----
From: John Price
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 9:25 AM
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Yaesu FTM-350AR
Has anyone tried using the Yaesu FTM-350AR mobile to work the FM
satellites. It is stated in the manual that it is a full-duplex radio.
Been looking at something to use mobile. I would appreciate any input
anyone might have. Thanks. << John
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 16:13:38 -0400
From: W4ART Arthur Feller <afeller@xxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: The Need for Phonetics
To: Glen Zook <gzook@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: John Papay <john@xxxxxx.xxx>, amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Sorry, John. Information here needs to jive better with the history.
ICAO developed a phonetic alphabet in the mid-to late 1940's to help the
budding field of international aviation. They came up with an alphabet
designed to be spoken (and mangled) by people of any mother tongue and be
well understood by all others, even on less than wonderful channels.
It works so well that ITU, maritime folks, generally, and many other well
recognized organizations (including the US military) have seen fit to adopt
it. When everyone uses the same alphabet, understanding is even better.
See attachment for a recommendation, including the ITU recommended
pronunciation guide. Seems to work just fine.
I hope this helps.
GL & 73,
art.....
W4ART Arlington VA
On 10-Apr-2011, at 11:26 AM, Glen Zook wrote:
> The question of "proper" phonetics comes up several times a month in
threads on QRZ.com. Unfortunately, the ICAO phonetics (alpha, bravo, etc.)
present problems when regional accents in the United States are present and
even more so when the person involved does not have English as their primary
language.
>
> ICAO phonetics were adopted for use on radio circuits that are usually
free of QRM, QSB, etc., by trained operators. Unfortunately, amateur radio
operations are often not QRM, QSB, etc., free and the vast number of amateur
radio operators are not professionally trained.
>
> The ICAO phonetics were adopted by the military decades ago and generally
work well for military communications. However, military operators are very
well trained.
>
> Those operators who are involved in "DX chasing" and contest operations
often use geographic names instead of the ICAO phonetics. This procedure
works very well when QRM and QSB are present as well as with operators who
do not have English as their primary language.
>
> When working stations that have English as their primary language I do use
the ICAO phonetics for my call: Kilo Nine Sierra Tango Hotel. However,
when working DX my call is very often not fully understood. Under those
circumstances I use: Kilowatt Nine Spain Texas Honolulu and my call is
understood the first time 99.99% of the time.
>
> Then there is the case of a local YL operator who's call ends in the
letter "i". She was working a DX station who just could not get the last
letter in her call. She tried the ICAO "India" and that did not work. She
tried the geographical name "Italy" and that did not work. Therefore she
tried all sorts of words starting with the letter "i" and they did not work.
Finally, in frustration she called out "idiot"! The DX station got her
last letter that time!
>
> Basically, the ICAO phonetics are the standard for general amateur radio
operations. Geographic names are the pseudo standard for working DX. But,
as the local YL found out, you use anything that works!
>
> Glen, K9STH
> Head moderator QRZ.com
>
> Website: http://k9sth.com
>
>
> --- On Sat, 4/9/11, John Papay <john@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
> Kevin, KF7MYK, provides a great example of what happens when operators do
not use phonetics. You may think you are saving time by not using them, but
the fact is that unless someone is familiar with your callsign, they may
copy it incorrectly. You want everyone on the bird to have your callsign
correct so they can call you with the right call rather than having to ask
for it again in phonetics, or worse yet, getting it wrong.
>
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 20:08:30 -0400
From: "Peter Portanova" <wb2oqq@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Bandwith
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Greetings,
Proper phonetics, easiest satellite's to hear, satellite etiquette. I truly
enjoy a good discussion, but maybe before you consider a post do a little
research, and take advantage of the volumes of information available on our
AMSAT site or the ARRL site, etc. that will answer all these questions and
more. If I'm missing something I apologize in advance, but I'm noticing a
lot of talented folks leaving this board tired of hitting the delete button.
It's one man's opinion, I don't want to see this bb become marginalized like
so many before us have. Hey does anybody have a good sauce recipe...
73's Pete
WB2OQQ
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 20:10:18 -0400
From: "Zachary Beougher" <zack.kd8ksn@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Yaesu FTM-350AR
To: "John Price" <n4qwf1@xxxxx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <SNT111-DS331C87F6584D5EFE469BBB3A80@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
One last thing - if you are running APRS, make sure you shut the beacon off
before you switch to the satellite uplink. I made this mistake until I
started hearing packets on the downlink... ;-)
73,
Zack
KD8KSN
-----Original Message-----
From: Zachary Beougher
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 7:58 PM
To: John Price ; amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Yaesu FTM-350AR
Funny - I just used it for the first time mobile this past Thursday..... It
seemed to work really well. I worked SO67, so I am not overly sure on the
audio quality since SO67's audio is different from AO51/27/etc. The receive
was not very good, but a preamp should help. I was using a dual band 1/4
wave (2m) mag mount antenna, and with the built in duplexer I had no trouble
hearing my downlink. The one thing I do not like is the power settings -
you have 5w, 25w or 50w. If you are having trouble getting in with 5w, your
only other option is 25w.
Zack
KD8KSN
-----Original Message-----
From: John Price
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 9:25 AM
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Yaesu FTM-350AR
Has anyone tried using the Yaesu FTM-350AR mobile to work the FM
satellites. It is stated in the manual that it is a full-duplex radio.
Been looking at something to use mobile. I would appreciate any input
anyone might have. Thanks. << John
--
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AO-7,AO-27,FO-29,SO-50,AO-51,VO-52,ISS
Email N4QWF@xxxxx.xxx
Formerly KC4AHW VK3FEZ
Amsat Member #27845
DXCC #33,478
VUCC SAT #135
WAS SAT #296
51 on AO-51 #13
LON -79.256 LAT 37.459 Grid FM07il
>From the Foothills of the Blueridge
*Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of
arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to
skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly
proclaiming - "WOW, What a ride!"
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 17:23:26 -0700
From: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Cans o' Worms
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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>> ... Boy did I open up a can of worms ...
Yes, you did.
I propose that we all NOT initiate ANY threads with the following titles
until AFTER the ARISSat-1 activation this week ...
-Elk versus Arrow
-ITU vs. MY Phonetics
-Circular polarization on the FM birds
-When will we have a ham Geo-synschronous bird over North America?
-What is the difference between UTC and GMT?
-I live in Kansas, and there's no one on the FM birds to talk to
-I live on the West Coast, and it is hard to get in with all the traffic
Clint (readying for our Yuri / ARISSat-1 party) Bradford, K6LCS
http://tinyurl.com/YURI-K6LCS
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 17:33:50 -0700
From: "Jeff Moore" <tnetcenter@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ITU Phonetics - Kilo
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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Since MOST of us aren't civil aviators, I suggest we use the ITU Phonetic
alphabet like everybody else does. It's the same for those of you that
don't know that or what ICAO stands for.
Juliet Echo Foxtrot Foxtrot -- Kilo Echo Seven Alpha Charlie Yankee
----- Original Message ----- From: "Glen Zook" <gzook@xxxxx.xxx>
The problem is that the "standard" ICAO phonetics are problematic under
certain circumstances. In the military world the operators are specially
trained to use ICAO phonetics including the "preferred" way to pronounce the
words. Unfortunately, this just doesn't exist in the amateur radio world
and especially in those persons, without any formal training, who do not
have English as their primary language, they have problems with the ICAO
phonetics. That is why geographical names work better when working DX. For
stateside use, at least in my opinion, the ICAO phonetics are definitely
recommended.
Again, geographical names have become the defacto "standard" where working
DX is concerned.
Glen, K9STH
Website: http://k9sth.com
--- On Sun, 4/10/11, John Becker <w0jab@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
There is a "STANDARD" why not use it??? (that was a question)
My navy training just rubs me the wrong way when I hear some of the "words"
being used by some.
Could be the "reason" your call went unanswered.
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 17:52:37 -0700
From: "Jeff Moore" <tnetcenter@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: The Need for Phonetics
To: "amsat-bb" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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This is a bunch of baloney! Your "unpublished" non-standard just confuses
most people. I've listened to hours of DX and the ITU alphabet gets through
just fine. It's when people start throwing out their cutesy made up
alphabet that it gets confusing.
Stick to the standard and it will work fine.
Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY
----- Original Message ----- From: "Glen Zook" <gzook@xxxxx.xxx>
Actually, the "NATO" phonetic alphabet was NOT developed by the military. It
was developed by the International Civil Aviation Organization during the
1940s. It was adopted by NATO during the 1950s.
Again, my position is that the ICAO phonetics usually work very well with
those who speak English as their first language. It works fairly well with
those persons who do not speak English as their primary language but who
have been specifically trained in the use of ICAO phonetics. It generally
works very well on radio links that do not have extensive QRM or QSB.
However, when dealing with untrained individuals who do not speak English as
their primary language and when QSB and/or QRM is present, geographical
names work considerably better.
The same arguments that are being presented herein are routinely posted in
the discussions on QRZ.com concerning the "proper" phonetic alphabet.
Frankly, the majority of people have made their decision and they are not
going to change how they use the phonetic alphabets. Some use the ICAO
phonetic alphabet no matter what and some people do adapt to the situation
and use alternate phonetic alphabets of which the geographical name version
is the most used of the alternate phonetic alphabets where amateur radio is
concerned.
When working DX through a "pileup" the vast majority of time stations who
use geographic names are going to get through a lot faster than those who
insist on using just the ICAO phonetic alphabet. This is contrary to the
opinion of those who insist that the ICAO phonetic alphabet "must" be used.
However, for those stations who routinely work DX the vast majority do use
geographical names when working DX. Now when working "stateside" the vast
majority of those operators do use the ICAO phonetic alphabet.
I have "heard" these same arguments numerous times before concerning the
ICAO phonetic alphabet versus geographical names. A relatively few persons
who have insisted on the ICAO version do realize that the ICAO phonetics are
not a "universal savior" where communications are concerned and do change
their operating habits to fit the situation. But, those who insist that the
ICAO version is the only "correct" phonetic alphabet generally are not
convinced. Frankly, these discussions go on forever and no resolution ever
happens. As such, those discussions are eventually shut down and things
return to normal.
As for me, I will continue to use the ICAO phonetic alphabet for stateside
contacts and when the other station has English as their primary language.
However, I don't like to spend a lot of time in "pileups" when working DX
stations and therefore I will continue to use geographical names and work
the station generally along time before those who use ICAO phonetics get
through.
Now getting back to satellite communications: Generally, since the vast
majority of stations worked by United States operators do have English as
their primary language, I definitely agree that the ICAO phonetics should
generally be used. For stations who do not speak English as their primary
language then using geographical names is definitely a viable alternative.
Glen, K9STH
Website: http://k9sth.com
--- On Sun, 4/10/11, nh6vb Scheller <nh6vb@xxx.xxx> wrote:
From: nh6vb Scheller <nh6vb@xxx.xxx>
Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Re: The Need for Phonetics
To: kc6uqh@xxx.xxxx gzook@xxxxx.xxxx "amsat-bb" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>,
mspencer12345@xxxxx.xx
Date: Sunday, April 10, 2011, 3:16 PM
Glen et all,
Once upon a time, during WWII, the phonetic alphabet started: Abei, Baker,
Dog.....etc.
With the advent of NATO, it was soon realized that the American version, or
any ones
else, was not suitable for international communication. Soon the NATO
phonetic alphabet
was developed by the military, and became international standard. The
present
international phonetic alphabet defines the letter K as KILO, not kilowatt.
It would be very
helpful for the amateur community to stick to established international
standards and not
bicker with their own cute substitutes. Citizens band has infiltrated ham
radio to the point
of satellite communication. Even as amateurs, let's be PAPA ROMEO OSCAR
FOXTROT
ECHO SIERRA SIERRA INDIA OSCAR NOVEMBER ALPHA LIMA.
73,
Peter, NH6VB
> From: kc6uqh@xxx.xxx
> To: gzook@xxxxx.xxxx amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx mspencer12345@xxxxx.xx
> Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 11:28:52 -0700
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: The Need for Phonetics
>
> Glen,
> Engineers use KW for kilowatt. That might explain my confusion using KW
> abbreviation as an occupation for 30 years before becoming an Amateur
> Radio
> Operator.
> Art,
> KC6UQH
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
> Behalf Of Glen Zook
> Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 9:33 AM
> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx Mark Spencer
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: The Need for Phonetics
>
> Although some people say kilowatt is two words, it definitely is not. In
> over 50 years of using "kilowatt" as a phonetic I have not once had a
> station think it is KW. Kilowatt makes it through QRM and QSB a LOT
> better
> than "kilo". Some operators do use "Kansas" or "Korea" for the letter
> "K".
>
> Glen, K9STH
>
> Website: http://k9sth.com
>
>
> --- On Sun, 4/10/11, Mark Spencer <mspencer12345@xxxxx.xx> wrote:
>
> The use of Kilowatt as a phonetic is a pet peeve of mine especially where
> there is a brief pause between kilo and watt. When I hear kilo I assume
> the letter k is being represented, then when I hear watt I have to decide
> if
> the sender is also representing the letter w or not.
>
> It seems overly confusing to me.
>
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 18:03:02 -0700
From: "Ted" <k7trkradio@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Bandwith
To: "'Peter Portanova'" <wb2oqq@xxxxxxx.xxx>, <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
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Hi Pete...AMEN !!
And the sauce in the attached recipe is excellent !!!
It was developed by my wife Susan, here in Cat Nap 82
73, Ted, K7 Tango Radio Kilo
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Behalf Of Peter Portanova
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 5:09 PM
To: AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Bandwith
Greetings,
Proper phonetics, easiest satellite's to hear, satellite etiquette. I truly
enjoy a good discussion, but maybe before you consider a post do a little
research, and take advantage of the volumes of information available on our
AMSAT site or the ARRL site, etc. that will answer all these questions and
more. If I'm missing something I apologize in advance, but I'm noticing a
lot of talented folks leaving this board tired of hitting the delete button.
It's one man's opinion, I don't want to see this bb become marginalized like
so many before us have. Hey does anybody have a good sauce recipe...
73's Pete
WB2OQQ
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 18:21:33 -0700
From: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Cans o' Worms
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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>> ... don't know that or what ICAO stands for ...
No, but I learned long ago what "IKEA" stands for:
I Kan't Even Assemble ...
Clint
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 20:38:17 -0500
From: "Jim Shorney" <jshorney@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: The Need for Phonetics
To: "amsat-bb" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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On Sun, 10 Apr 2011 17:52:37 -0700, Jeff Moore wrote:
>This is a bunch of baloney!
>
>Stick to the standard and it will work fine.
Experience trumps experts. I have a friend who's name went into the log as
"Dred" because a South American ham kept hearing "Golf" as "Dog". So much for
standards.
I'll repeat my call several times to weak DX with the "standard" phonetics
before switching to Geo name phonetics, which almost always get through in the
first try. I'd rather be able to log the contact than please the standard
bearers.
Or maybe I should just use the amplifier more often....
73
-Jim
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them will eventually type Shakespeare. Thanks to the Internet, we now know
this isn't true.
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 18:49:08 -0700
From: Kevin Deane <summit496@xxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] UH-OH!
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <col107-w30D3D37D853438F15CB29883A80@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Did I make an a#$ out of myself again? I thought the STANDARD WAS "Alpha
Foxtrot Yankee KILO Uniform X-ray Sierra Tango etc... " ???
I better start paying attention. I thought the above is what pilots,
military and Hams use and sissy lala's just make up their own...
Anyway I personally love all the gossip no matter how many e-mails!
Kevin
KF7MYK
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 01:53:53 -0000
From: "John Geiger" <aa5jg@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: The Need for Phonetics
To: "Jim Shorney" <jshorney@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, "amsat-bb"
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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I have found that Japan works much better than Juliet for the letter J.
People keep hearing Juliet as India. don't know why, they don't sound
anything alike, but that is what happens.
73s John AA5JG
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Shorney" <jshorney@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "amsat-bb" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 1:38 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: The Need for Phonetics
> On Sun, 10 Apr 2011 17:52:37 -0700, Jeff Moore wrote:
>
>>This is a bunch of baloney!
>>
>>Stick to the standard and it will work fine.
>
> Experience trumps experts. I have a friend who's name went into the log as
> "Dred" because a South American ham kept hearing "Golf" as "Dog". So much
> for
> standards.
>
> I'll repeat my call several times to weak DX with the "standard" phonetics
> before switching to Geo name phonetics, which almost always get through in
> the
> first try. I'd rather be able to log the contact than please the standard
> bearers.
>
> Or maybe I should just use the amplifier more often....
>
> 73
>
> -Jim
>
>
> --
> It's been said that if you give a million monkeys a typewriter each, one
> of them will eventually type Shakespeare. Thanks to the Internet, we now
> know this isn't true.
>
>
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 17:38:05 -0700
From: k6yk <k6yk@xxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Cans o' Worms
To: clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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And let's hope we don't get 100 messages a day
saying the same thing about ARISSAT, such as "I CAN't HEAR IT"
On Sun, 10 Apr 2011 17:23:26 -0700 Clint Bradford
<clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> writes:
> >> ... Boy did I open up a can of worms ...
>
> Yes, you did.
>
> I propose that we all NOT initiate ANY threads with the following
> titles until AFTER the ARISSat-1 activation this week ...
>
> -Elk versus Arrow
> -ITU vs. MY Phonetics
> -Circular polarization on the FM birds
> -When will we have a ham Geo-synschronous bird over North America?
> -What is the difference between UTC and GMT?
> -I live in Kansas, and there's no one on the FM birds to talk to
> -I live on the West Coast, and it is hard to get in with all the
> traffic
>
> Clint (readying for our Yuri / ARISSat-1 party) Bradford, K6LCS
> http://tinyurl.com/YURI-K6LCS
>
>
>
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 02:37:12 GMT
From: "K5VGU Duane Vigue" <k5vgu@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: STANDARD
To: summit496@xxxx.xxx
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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No comment on the phonetics discussion...tastes great, less
filling...however, I do have something on the following comment:
<<<Oh and by the way its HAND HELD not handy talky, you guys talkin on your
baby moniter or somethin?>>>
A little history lesson for some of us here ( me included )...google
SCR-536...I assume this is where the term "handie talkie" comes from. Note
the radio "received coverage" in the November 1942 QST. Interesting.
73 all...see you on the birds!
Duane, K5VGU
Wetumpka, AL
EM62wm
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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 21:58:01 -0500
From: "Gary \"Joe\" Mayfield" <gary_mayfield@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ITU Phonetics - Kilo
To: "'Clint Bradford'" <clintbradford@xxx.xxx>, "'AMSAT BB'"
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <COL114-DS83FDE2C8463398CB0AF998AA80@xxx.xxx>
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My call starts Kilo Kilo Zero --- It never gets logged correctly, it always
gets logged as Kilo Zero. Kilowatt Kilowatt Zero gets logged right almost
every-time. I have come to accept it.
Sierra works about 60 % -- Sugar works around 95 % I have learned to use
what works.
73,
Joe kk0sd
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Clint Bradford
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 11:20 AM
To: AMSAT BB
Subject: [amsat-bb] ITU Phonetics - Kilo
>> ... The use of Kilowatt as a phonetic is a pet peeve ...
Not an ITU-approved term. "K" is "kilo."
SOURCE: ARRL Handy Ops Guide's ITU Phonetics:
http://web.me.com/clintbradford/Work-Sat/Shack_Aids.html
Clint, K6LCS
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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 22:58:11 -0400
From: "Tyler Harpster" <tyler881@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] FS: Anritsu power meter/counter/sig gen
Cc: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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Thanks
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KM3G
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