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Today's Topics:
1. Re: ITU Phonetics - Kilo (Jim Shorney)
2. Re: ITU Phonetics - Kilo (Ron Settle)
3. Re: ITU Phonetics - Kilo (John Becker)
4. Re: Diplexer (Roger Kolakowski)
5. Re: ITU Phonetics - Kilo (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
6. Re: Diplexer (Diane Bruce)
7. Re: Proper Phonetics (i8cvs)
8. Re: ITU Phonetics - Kilo (Bruce)
9. Re: anybody hear Arissat-1 yet? (Ted)
10. Re: ITU Phonetics - Kilo (Mark Spencer)
11. Re: ITU Phonetics - Kilo (Glen Zook)
12. Re: ITU Phonetics - Kilo (Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF)
13. Re: ITU Phonetics - Kilo (Glenn AA5PK)
14. Re: Proper Phonetics (Glen Zook)
15. Re: ITU Phonetics - Kilo (Joe)
16. Re: ITU Phonetics - Kilo (Glen Zook)
17. STANDARD (Kevin Deane)
18. Re: The Need for Phonetics (Glenn Little WB4UIV)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 16:17:54 -0500
From: "Jim Shorney" <jshorney@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ITU Phonetics - Kilo
To: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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On Sun, 10 Apr 2011 12:34:48 -0700 (PDT), Glen Zook wrote:
>That is why geographical names work better when working DX. For stateside
use, at least in my opinion, the ICAO phonetics are definitely recommended.
I've had this happen to me enough to be more than just coincidence. Repeating
my callsign over and over to a DX station using ICAO phonetics, and the DX
just.isn't.getting.it. Then I switch to "Norway United Zero Canada", it's
almost always copied correctly on the next repeat. Works great when calling DX
also.
Being "professional" is getting the communication across sucessfully by
shifting to what works best in a given situation, rather than sticking with
what doesn't work (even if it's "official") and wasting everyone's time.
73
-Jim
NU0C
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 16:43:55 -0500
From: "Ron Settle" <settleron@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ITU Phonetics - Kilo
To: "'Bob K0NR - email list'" <list@xxxx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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Nope that is Jethro Bodine phonetics and knot stands for zero!! ;-)
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Bob K0NR - email list
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 2:18 PM
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ITU Phonetics - Kilo
Really? I thought the phonetic for K was "knot". :-)
Bob K0NR
On 4/10/2011 10:19 AM, Clint Bradford wrote:
>>> ... The use of Kilowatt as a phonetic is a pet peeve ...
> Not an ITU-approved term. "K" is "kilo."
>
> SOURCE: ARRL Handy Ops Guide's ITU Phonetics:
http://web.me.com/clintbradford/Work-Sat/Shack_Aids.html
>
> Clint, K6LCS
>
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 16:43:57 -0500
From: John Becker <w0jab@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ITU Phonetics - Kilo
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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At 02:34 PM 4/10/2011, you wrote:
>Again, geographical names have become the defacto "standard" where working
DX is concerned.
So we are having a QSO and I tell you my QTH is Louisiana, Missouri
and you then think to yourself "say what" followed be "does not compute"
Look it up at QRZ dot com.
Again there is nothing wrong with the standard
I for one will never use your "de facto" standard when there is already one
that has been in use for years and years and years.
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 18:01:37 -0400
From: Roger Kolakowski <Rogerkola@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Diplexer
To: George Henry <ka3hsw@xxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat bb <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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I hadn't heard... will those be socketed or flashed?
Roger
WA1KAT
On 4/10/2011 4:32 PM, George Henry wrote:
> Nah, hams of the future will have it downloaded to their chip implants at
> birth... :-)
>
> George, KA3HSW
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roger Kolakowski"<rogerkola@xxx.xxx>
> To:<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 8:07 AM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Diplexer
>
>
>> Amsat needs a WIKI to store all of this valuable information for hams of
>> the future...
>>
>> Roger
>> WA1KAT
>>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 15:05:16 -0700
From: "Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)" <amsat-bb@xxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ITU Phonetics - Kilo
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <BANLkTimuSswhWJ6Xmxiign5y-B-5f9bx4Q@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
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Hi!
> Again there is nothing wrong with the standard
>
> I for one will never use your "de facto" standard when there is already one
> that has been in use for years and years and years.
What many are saying, and I agree with in a couple of situations,
is that sometimes the standard ICAO/NATO phonetic alphabet
just doesn't work well for a particular letter like K. On FM, I use
Kilo, but go to Kilowatt in SSB (on satellites and HF). For some
Spanish-speakers, I will go with a phonetic alphabet that is used
many who speak that language to complete QSOs, along with
speaking in Spanish (completely legal, provided my station ID is
in English at the end of the QSO).
It is nice that this discussion has centered on the choice of words
for the phonetic alphabet, instead of following past discussions here
on the -BB where some advocated not using any phonetics. The
message in K8YSE's e-mail is a good one, reinforced when I get
the occasional e-mail from a Spanish-speaking satellite ham along
with a WAV or MP3 file asking me to decipher the callsign (and
sometimes grid) in the recording. I know I'm not the only one that
gets these sorts of requests from those hams. Lately, it all centers
on the stateside hams not using phonetics, and the Spanish-
speaking hams not knowing the English "A, B, C, ... " alphabet.
If you hear those hams on the passes, go ahead and try to work them.
They are looking to put more stations, states/provinces, grids, etc. in
their logs as anyone else. Please keep in mind that English isn't their
first language, and help them with the standard phonetics so they can
log you correctly.
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 18:13:26 -0400
From: Diane Bruce <db@xx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Diplexer
To: Roger Kolakowski <Rogerkola@xxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat bb <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <20110410221326.GA91165@xxxxx.xx.xxx>
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On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 06:01:37PM -0400, Roger Kolakowski wrote:
> I hadn't heard... will those be socketed or flashed?
OTP
>
> Roger
> WA1KAT
>
-73 Diane VA3DB
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- db@xxxxxxx.xxx db@xx.xxx http://www.db.net/~db
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 00:28:48 +0200
From: "i8cvs" <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Proper Phonetics
To: "Clint Bradford" <clintbradford@xxx.xxx>, "AMSAT BB"
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <001201cbf7ce$a9c56240$0401a8c0@xxxxxx>
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Clint Bradford" <clintbradford@xxx.xxx>
To: "AMSAT BB" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 5:59 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Proper Phonetics
> The ARRL Ops Guide (ARRL publication FSD220) is a very popular download
> from my sat site's "Shack Aids" ...
>
> http://tinyurl.com/shack-aids
>
> Two great pages containing ...
>
> Communications Procedures
> ITU Phonetic Alphabet
> R-S-T System explanation
> Time Conversion Chart
>
> Clint, K6LCS
Hi Clint, K6LCS
I downloaded from your sat site the following page concerning the ITU
Phonetic Alphabet.
http://web.me.com/clintbradford/Work-Sat/Shack_Aids_files/fsd220.pdf
It is exacly what is recommended by the ARRL Handbook 1991 Chapter Operating
Aids page 37-7
The ARRL Handbook is adding the following ITU recommended phonetics:
A- Alfa ( AL FAH )
B- Bravo ( BRAH VOH )
C- Charlie (CHAR LEE or SHAR LEE )
D- Delta ( DELL TAH )
E- Echo ( ECK OH )
F- Foxtrot ( FOX TROT )
G- Golf ( GOLF )
H- Hotell ( HOH TELL )
I- India ( IN DEE AH )
J- Juliet ( JEW LEE ETT )
K- Kilo ( KEY LOH )
L- Lima ( LEE MAH )
M- Mike ( MIKE )
N- November ( NO VEM BER )
O- Oscar ( OSS CAH )
P- Papa ( PAH PAH )
Q- Quebec ( KEH BECK )
R- Romeo ( ROW ME OH )
S- Sierra ( SEE AIR RAH )
T- Tango ( TAN GO )
U- Uniform ( YOU NEE FORM or OO NEE FORM )
V- Victor ( VIK TAH )
W-Whiskey ( WISS KEY )
X- X-Ray ( ECKS RAY
Y- Yankee ( YANG KEY )
Z- Zulu ( ZOO LOO )
NOTE: The BOLFACED sillables are enphasized .The pronunciations shown
in the table were designed for speakers from all international linguages.
The pronunciations given for "Oscar" and "Victor" may seem awkward to
English-speaking people in the US.
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 17:33:39 -0500
From: Bruce <kk5do@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ITU Phonetics - Kilo
To: amsat-bb <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <8E58406A-BE86-4764-83E3-D9EC791386D9@xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
King Kong Five Dream On
just had to add my two cents worth as no one wanted to give me a penny for
my thoughts.
73...bruce
Sent from my iPhone
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 15:52:17 -0700
From: "Ted" <k7trkradio@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: anybody hear Arissat-1 yet?
To: "'Mark L. Hammond'" <marklhammond@xxxxx.xxx>, "'AMSAT-BB'"
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <094CB3D39B4140C8936F33052811802E@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Mark,
The email I rcvd from ARRL states in part: "Transmissions will begin on
Monday, April 11, at 14:30 UTC and continue until 10:30 UTC on April 13".
My reading tells me it has not yet awakened...
73, Ted
K7TRK
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Mark L. Hammond
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 8:45 AM
To: AMSAT-BB
Subject: [amsat-bb] anybody hear Arissat-1 yet?
Well, if I have my notes right, Arissat-1 should be active for almost one
orbit thus far---anybody hear it yet?
West Coast US? South Africa? Russia? Heading to India and China soon...
73,
Mark L. Hammond [N8MH]
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 15:55:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mark Spencer <mspencer12345@xxxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ITU Phonetics - Kilo
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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I have no problems figuring out most adhoc phonetic alphabets, but when people
use two separate words to represent one letter I find it distracting and
confusing.? I doubt I'm the only person who suffers from this.
(In case any one is wondering, yes I was trained in the use of the icao
phonetics a long time ago, and I work in a field were the abriveation KW means
Kilo Watt.)
In any event as this is ham radio the worst that will likely happen is that an
extra letter will get added to some one's call.
73
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 15:57:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: Glen Zook <gzook@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ITU Phonetics - Kilo
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx John Becker <w0jab@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <148084.36746.qm@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
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If you want to get technical, geographic names has been a "standard" much
longer than the ICAO phonetics. However, it is fine with me if you insist
on using the ICAO phonetics when in a DX pileup. That just means that I am
generally going to work the DX first!
As I keep saying, there is a place for ICAO phonetics and there is a place
for geographic names. I do use ICAO phonetics when working stateside and
generally with operators who speak English as their primary language. But,
when in a pileup trying to work a DX station I definitely switch to
geographical names because I work the DX MUCH sooner!
Glen, K9STH
Website: http://k9sth.com
--- On Sun, 4/10/11, John Becker <w0jab@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> From: John Becker <w0jab@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ITU Phonetics - Kilo
> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Date: Sunday, April 10, 2011, 4:43 PM
> At 02:34 PM 4/10/2011, you wrote:
> >Again, geographical names have become the defacto
> "standard" where working DX is concerned.
>
> So we are having a QSO and I tell you my QTH is Louisiana,
> Missouri
> and you then think to yourself "say what" followed be "does
> not compute"
>
> Look it up at QRZ dot com.
>
> Again there is nothing wrong with the standard
>
> I for one will never use your "de facto" standard when
> there is already one
> that has been in use for years and years and years.
>
>
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 23:05:23 +0000
From: Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF <nigel@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ITU Phonetics - Kilo
To: Glen Zook <gzook@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4DA237B3.4020006@xxxxx.xxx>
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I found, some years ago when just a visitor to the US, that the format of
the call was much more important than the
phonetics.
I took part in field day using my UK call which properly should have been
W/G8IFF, Whiskey Slash Golf Eight India
Foxtrot Foxtrot.
Most had problems with W/G8IFF, G8IFF/W was no better.
It wasn't until I used "G8IFF Portable W8" that the requests for repeats
stopped.
Nobody queried the G call but most had problems with a W/ call.
On 10-Apr-11 22:57, Glen Zook wrote:
> If you want to get technical, geographic names has been a "standard" much
longer than the ICAO phonetics. However, it is fine with me if you insist
on using the ICAO phonetics when in a DX pileup. That just means that I am
generally going to work the DX first!
>
> As I keep saying, there is a place for ICAO phonetics and there is a place
for geographic names. I do use ICAO phonetics when working stateside and
generally with operators who speak English as their primary language. But,
when in a pileup trying to work a DX station I definitely switch to
geographical names because I work the DX MUCH sooner!
>
> Glen, K9STH
>
> Website: http://k9sth.com
>
>
> --- On Sun, 4/10/11, John Becker<w0jab@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
>> From: John Becker<w0jab@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ITU Phonetics - Kilo
>> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
>> Date: Sunday, April 10, 2011, 4:43 PM
>> At 02:34 PM 4/10/2011, you wrote:
>>> Again, geographical names have become the defacto
>> "standard" where working DX is concerned.
>>
>> So we are having a QSO and I tell you my QTH is Louisiana,
>> Missouri
>> and you then think to yourself "say what" followed be "does
>> not compute"
>>
>> Look it up at QRZ dot com.
>>
>> Again there is nothing wrong with the standard
>>
>> I for one will never use your "de facto" standard when
>> there is already one
>> that has been in use for years and years and years.
>>
>>
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Dayton ARA #2128, AMSAT-NA LM-1691, AMSAT-UK 0182, MKARS, ALC,
GCARES, XWARN, EAA382.
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 18:07:34 -0500
From: "Glenn AA5PK" <aa5pk@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ITU Phonetics - Kilo
To: "Bruce" <kk5do@xxxxx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <A86DE83CA23E40A582B5A95248E06867@xxxxxxxxxx>
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Aardvark Aardvark Fife Pneumonia Knight :O)
73
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce" <kk5do@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "amsat-bb" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 5:33 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ITU Phonetics - Kilo
> King Kong Five Dream On
>
> just had to add my two cents worth as no one wanted to give me a penny for
my thoughts.
>
> 73...bruce
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 16:08:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Glen Zook <gzook@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Proper Phonetics
To: Clint Bradford <clintbradford@xxx.xxx>, AMSAT BB
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>, i8cvs <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx>
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As a matter of information, until relatively recently the ARRL suggested
their own set of phonetics that had basically nothing to do with the ICAO or
even the old military phonetics. It was closer to the still in effect APCO
phonetic alphabet. In fact, they "suggested" at least 3 different phonetic
alphabets over the years. I looked in the 1970 Handbook and the ARRL
phonetic alphabet is still there along with the ICAO phonetic alphabet. I
don't have a 1971 Handbook so I don't know if they were still "pushing"
their own. However, the ARRL finally gave up and in the 1972 Handbook only
the ICAO phonetic alphabet is listed.
You could always tell someone who only had ARRL publications as reference
because those operators were the only ones using the ARRL phonetic alphabet.
Even the headquarters' staff didn't use the ARRL phonetic alphabet!
Glen, K9STH
Website: http://k9sth.com
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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 18:09:27 -0500
From: Joe <nss@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ITU Phonetics - Kilo
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4DA238A7.7040005@xxx.xxx>
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Our club at Field day WB9FDZ, was always known as
Whiskey Bravo Nine Field Day Zombies. Especially at 3 am on a dead 75
meters!
Joe WB9SBD
W B 9 Silent But Deadly!
The Original Rolling Ball Clock
Idle Tyme
Idle-Tyme.com
http://www.idle-tyme.com
On 4/10/2011 5:33 PM, Bruce wrote:
> King Kong Five Dream On
>
> just had to add my two cents worth as no one wanted to give me a penny for
my thoughts.
>
> 73...bruce
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 16:10:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: Glen Zook <gzook@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ITU Phonetics - Kilo
To: amsat-bb <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>, Bruce <kk5do@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <478361.59180.qm@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
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With inflation, probably more like 50 cents!
Glen, K9STH
Website: http://k9sth.com
--- On Sun, 4/10/11, Bruce <kk5do@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
King Kong Five Dream On
just had to add my two cents worth as no one wanted to give me a penny for
my thoughts.
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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 16:41:57 -0700
From: Kevin Deane <summit496@xxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] STANDARD
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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Boy did I open up a can of worms... I personaly think that even though we
dont "Have" to use the standard I think is not only sounds the best but just
seems everyone should use the same one in my opinion. Sure if you know you
are talking with some guy in Mexico or whatever, maybe then use the
geographical one. There is always going to be a language barrier, and I will
agree with some of you to do what it takes to get the job done.
But on a general rule I will be using the STANDARD and I also agree that
"Kilowatt" is the stupidest most insecure substitute ever. Might as well
start talking like the cops, boy and george for chist's sake. Oh and by the
way its HAND HELD not handy talky, you guys talkin on your baby moniter or
somethin?
I dont like being told what to use any more than the other guy, BUT the
STANDARD IS BEST why do you think us pilots use it? (student pilot here...)
Have a nice day! :)
Kevin
KF7MYK
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Message: 18
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 19:48:59 -0400
From: Glenn Little WB4UIV <glennmaillist@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: The Need for Phonetics
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I have to agree!!
The phonetics in the phonetic alphabet were chosen for a reason.
They are very hard to confuse with another letter.
Fancy phonetics have no place in communications that you want understood.
If you want to get a call sign correct use the standard phonetic alphabet.
That way everyone is playing by the same play sheet.
If you like to be misunderstood, continue to use your non standard
confusing phonetics and you will get your wish.
73
Glenn
WB4UIV
At 12:14 PM 4/10/2011, Mark Spencer wrote:
>The use of Kilowatt as a phonetic is a pet peeve of mine especially
>where there
>is a brief pause between kilo and watt. When I hear kilo I assume
>the letter k
>is being represented, then when I hear watt I have to decide if the sender is
>also representing the letter w or not.
>
>It seems overly confusing to me.
>
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