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Today's Topics:
1. Re: The Need for Phonetics (Ron Settle)
2. (no subject) (Aa4mi@xxx.xxxx
3. Ebay listing - old AMSAT Orbit magazines, all profits will
go to AMSAT (vtnn43e@xxxxxxx.xxxx
4. Re: ITU Phonetics - Kilo (Bob K0NR - email list)
5. Re: Part 97 sec97.119 B2 (Joe)
6. Re: ITU Phonetics - Kilo (Edward R. Cole)
7. Re: ITU Phonetics - Kilo (Glen Zook)
8. Ecuador's first CubeSat - NEE-01 Pegasus (Trevor .)
9. Re: Part 97 sec97.119 B2 (Glen Zook)
10. Re: SATPC32 and FT847 (Clare Fowler)
11. Re: Wanted: ARISSat-1 audio recordings (Clint Bradford)
12. Re: The Need for Phonetics (nh6vb Scheller)
13. SO67 (Hans)
14. Re: Diplexer (George Henry)
15. Mobile satellite operation from 4X this Tuesday, April 12,
2011 (Shamai "SAM" Opfer)
16. Re: The Need for Phonetics (Glen Zook)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 14:04:46 -0500
From: "Ron Settle" <settleron@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: The Need for Phonetics
To: "'Glen Zook'" <gzook@xxxxx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>, "'Mark
Spencer'" <mspencer12345@xxxxx.xx>
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I couldn't agree more. When I am not being understood or I have repeated my
call 5 or 6 times and the guy on the other end is still getting it wrong, a
simple switch from Kilo to Kilowatt and zulu to Zanzibar is usually all it
takes to be understood.
Ron
KK7Z
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Glen Zook
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 11:33 AM
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx Mark Spencer
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: The Need for Phonetics
Although some people say kilowatt is two words, it definitely is not. In
over 50 years of using "kilowatt" as a phonetic I have not once had a
station think it is KW. Kilowatt makes it through QRM and QSB a LOT better
than "kilo". Some operators do use "Kansas" or "Korea" for the letter "K".
Glen, K9STH
Website: http://k9sth.com
--- On Sun, 4/10/11, Mark Spencer <mspencer12345@xxxxx.xx> wrote:
The use of Kilowatt as a phonetic is a pet peeve of mine especially where
there is a brief pause between kilo and watt.?? When I hear kilo I assume
the letter k is being represented, then when I hear watt I have to decide if
the sender is also representing the letter w or not.
It seems overly confusing to me.
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 15:08:52 EDT
From: Aa4mi@xxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] (no subject)
To: AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
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Hi Gould,
Many thanks for the additional info. It'll be helpful to those waiting for
the transmission(s).
Will "pass the word" here in Florida.
73,
Carl Zelich, AA4MI,
_aa4mi@xxxx.xxxx (mailto:aa4mi@xxxx.xxxx
AMSAT Member 36366,
_AMSAT_ (http://www.amsat.org/) - The Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation
_QRZ AA4MI_ (http://www.qrz.com/db/aa4mi)
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 19:11:37 +0000 (UTC)
From: vtnn43e@xxxxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Ebay listing - old AMSAT Orbit magazines, all
profits will go to AMSAT
To: AMSAT <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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<1637301900.3647094.1302462697129.JavaMail.root@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xx.xxxx.xxx
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I have an ebay listing of old AMSAT Orbit magazines.
?
Volume 1 #1
Volume 1 #2
Volume 1 #4
Volume 2, #2, (says #6 on the cover)
Volume 2, #3, (says #7 on the cover)
Volume 2, #4, (says #8 on the cover)
Volume 3, #1, (says #9 on the cover)
Volume 3, #2, (says #10 on the cover)
?
All profits will be sent to AMSAT via Paypal. I will send a screen shot of
the Paypal statement to the highest bidder and will also ask Martha at the
AMSAT office to send a thank you to the highest bidder.
?
Item number: 160571567629
?
73
Zack
N8FNR
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 13:17:38 -0600
From: Bob K0NR - email list <list@xxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ITU Phonetics - Kilo
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Really? I thought the phonetic for K was "knot". :-)
Bob K0NR
On 4/10/2011 10:19 AM, Clint Bradford wrote:
>>> ... The use of Kilowatt as a phonetic is a pet peeve ...
> Not an ITU-approved term. "K" is "kilo."
>
> SOURCE: ARRL Handy Ops Guide's ITU Phonetics:
http://web.me.com/clintbradford/Work-Sat/Shack_Aids.html
>
> Clint, K6LCS
>
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 14:27:47 -0500
From: Joe <nss@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Part 97 sec97.119 B2
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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On 4/10/2011 1:01 PM, Glen Zook wrote:
> In the world of working DX geographical names have become a defacto
standard phonetic alphabet.
Is there a published List someplace of this "Official" Geographical
alphabet?
Joe WB9SBD
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 11:32:38 -0800
From: "Edward R. Cole" <kl7uw@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ITU Phonetics - Kilo
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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At 10:29 AM 4/10/2011, John Becker wrote:
>There is a "STANDARD" why not use it???
>(that was a question)
>
>My navy training just rubs me the wrong way
>when I hear some of the "words" being used
>by some.
>
>Could be the "reason" your call went unanswered.
>
>John, W0JAB
>
Actually am surprised there is any debate on this topic. The whole
point of using a standard phonetic alphabet is for ease in
recognition under poor reception conditions. Only one word is used
for one letter of the alphabet so that reduces confusion.
So saying that, everyone knows that KL7UW is KL7 "micro wave"! LOL
In fact I chose that vanity call to bring attention to my mw
activity. KL7MW had been taken.
U could be construed as the greek symbol "mu"
but phonetically it is "uniform whiskey"
....I'll drink to that! ;-)
73, KL7uW, ex K8MWA (many wobbly antennas) or (micro wave amateur)
73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45
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BP40IQ 500 KHz - 10-GHz www.kl7uw.com
EME: 144-1.4kw, 432-100w, 1296-testing*, 3400-winter?
DUBUS Magazine USA Rep dubususa@xxxxxxx.xxx
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 12:34:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Glen Zook <gzook@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ITU Phonetics - Kilo
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx John Becker <w0jab@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <724551.13272.qm@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
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The problem is that the "standard" ICAO phonetics are problematic under
certain circumstances. In the military world the operators are specially
trained to use ICAO phonetics including the "preferred" way to pronounce the
words. Unfortunately, this just doesn't exist in the amateur radio world
and especially in those persons, without any formal training, who do not
have English as their primary language, they have problems with the ICAO
phonetics. That is why geographical names work better when working DX. For
stateside use, at least in my opinion, the ICAO phonetics are definitely
recommended.
Again, geographical names have become the defacto "standard" where working
DX is concerned.
Glen, K9STH
Website: http://k9sth.com
--- On Sun, 4/10/11, John Becker <w0jab@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
There is a "STANDARD" why not use it??? (that was a question)
My navy training just rubs me the wrong way when I hear some of the "words"
being used by some.
Could be the "reason" your call went unanswered.
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 20:49:05 +0100 (BST)
From: "Trevor ." <m5aka@xxxxx.xx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Ecuador's first CubeSat - NEE-01 Pegasus
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <469874.56009.qm@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
See
http://www.southgatearc.org/news/april2011/ecuador_cubesat.htm
73 Trevor M5AKA
Daily Amateur Radio Email/RSS News: http://www.southgatearc.org/
Email Your News To: editor at southgatearc.org
Or Upload At: http://www.southgatearc.org/news/your_news_1.htm
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 12:53:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: Glen Zook <gzook@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Part 97 sec97.119 B2
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx Joe <nss@xxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <424477.93067.qm@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
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Not that I know of, at least outside of any specialized DX publications.
However, here is a list of the words most usually heard:
A = America
B = Boston
C = Canada
D = Denmark
E = Ecuador
F = France
G = Germany (some do use Guatemala)
H = Honolulu (some do use Hawai'i)
I = Italy
J = Japan
K = Kilowatt (some do use Kansas)
L = London
M = Mexico
N = Norway
O = Ontario or Ohio
P = Panama
Q = Quebec
R = Russia
S = Spain
T = Tokyo
U = United
V = Venezuela
W = Washington
X = X-ray
Y = Yokohama
Z = Zanzibar
There are a few other geographic names that are heard. But, those listed
are, by far, the most common. Of course, there are a couple in the list
that are not geographic names. But, for the most part, the "DX phonetic
alphabet" consists of cities, states, or countries.
Glen, K9STH
Website: http://k9sth.com
--- On Sun, 4/10/11, Joe <nss@xxx.xxx> wrote:
Is there a published List someplace of this "Official" Geographical alphabet?
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 16:07:15 -0400
From: "Clare Fowler" <clarefowler@xxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: SATPC32 and FT847
To: "Tom Schuessler" <tjschuessler@xxxxxxx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <EA006BE476694C41B8C9C1F872B2FE09@xxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
There is also the possability the FT-847 is a early production model.
The original design did not include two-way CAT control.
Models withe serial number 8G05xxxx or later provided full CAT control
I have an early unmodified FT-847 which will set the designated doppler
corrected up and down freqs when the C for CAT control is clicked but
it will not follow up with auto updating.
Clare
VE3NPC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Schuessler" <tjschuessler@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 12:38 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] SATPC32 and FT847
> Hi all,
>
> In an attempt to dabble my toes in the linear transponder pool, I asked a
> FT847 owner friend to bring his rig over to try and understand the
> mechanics
> of making it all work with the computer interfaced. Got SatPC32 to
> communicate at 9600, 8, none, 1, none, with the radio and the radio
> responded to changes I made on the program like using keystrokes to modify
> the frequency of uplink or downlink. Problem is that although the program
> was tracking Doppler correctly, the radio was not tracking at all. With
> the
> multiple lines of possibilities on the Doppler.sqf file as is the case for
> AO-51, I can go to the CAT dialog and change the mode frequencies just
> fine,
> the radio goes to the new frequencies and even reflects the current state
> of
> the Doppler shifted frequencies but from there, no Doppler corrections
> occur.
>
> Now I remember reading the "Manual" that "CAT Delay" for the FT897 needed
> to
> be set to 20. Cat Delay is in the "Radio Setup" dialog is defaulted to
> 70.
> I realize this now after the fact with radio not in my presence. Is this
> the reason that the above mentioned problem could be occurring?
>
> I hope to make another go at this in a few weekends in the hope of getting
> ready for Field Day. Thanks for the help of the list.
>
> Tom Schuessler
> 2713 Lake Gardens Drive
> Irving, Texas 75060
> 972-986-7456
> 214-403-1464 (Cell)
> n5hyp@xxxx.xxx
>
>
>
>
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 13:15:35 -0700
From: Clint Bradford <clintbradford@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Wanted: ARISSat-1 audio recordings
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <0285A9D6-38DD-4AC5-9E7B-0D9D0057AF19@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII
I'll be posting video and audio - I'll let you know where, and allow
downloading and sharing!
Clint, K6LCS
http://tinyurl.com/YURI-K6LCS
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 10:16:38 -1000
From: nh6vb Scheller <nh6vb@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: The Need for Phonetics
To: <kc6uqh@xxx.xxx>, <gzook@xxxxx.xxx>, amsat-bb
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>, <mspencer12345@xxxxx.xx>
Message-ID: <BAY147-w46AC9787C645A4C79E568DE1A90@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Glen et all,
Once upon a time, during WWII, the phonetic alphabet started: Abei, Baker,
Dog.....etc.
With the advent of NATO, it was soon realized that the American version, or
any ones
else, was not suitable for international communication. Soon the NATO
phonetic alphabet
was developed by the military, and became international standard. The present
international phonetic alphabet defines the letter K as KILO, not kilowatt.
It would be very
helpful for the amateur community to stick to established international
standards and not
bicker with their own cute substitutes. Citizens band has infiltrated ham
radio to the point
of satellite communication. Even as amateurs, let's be PAPA ROMEO OSCAR
FOXTROT
ECHO SIERRA SIERRA INDIA OSCAR NOVEMBER ALPHA LIMA.
73,
Peter, NH6VB
> From: kc6uqh@xxx.xxx
> To: gzook@xxxxx.xxxx amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx mspencer12345@xxxxx.xx
> Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 11:28:52 -0700
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: The Need for Phonetics
>
> Glen,
> Engineers use KW for kilowatt. That might explain my confusion using KW
> abbreviation as an occupation for 30 years before becoming an Amateur Radio
> Operator.
> Art,
> KC6UQH
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
> Behalf Of Glen Zook
> Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 9:33 AM
> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx Mark Spencer
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: The Need for Phonetics
>
> Although some people say kilowatt is two words, it definitely is not. In
> over 50 years of using "kilowatt" as a phonetic I have not once had a
> station think it is KW. Kilowatt makes it through QRM and QSB a LOT better
> than "kilo". Some operators do use "Kansas" or "Korea" for the letter "K".
>
> Glen, K9STH
>
> Website: http://k9sth.com
>
>
> --- On Sun, 4/10/11, Mark Spencer <mspencer12345@xxxxx.xx> wrote:
>
> The use of Kilowatt as a phonetic is a pet peeve of mine especially where
> there is a brief pause between kilo and watt. When I hear kilo I assume
> the letter k is being represented, then when I hear watt I have to decide if
> the sender is also representing the letter w or not.
>
> It seems overly confusing to me.
>
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 22:30:29 +0200
From: "Hans" <hans@xxxxxxx.xx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] SO67
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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Hi all
Last chance for USA tonight
Europe from tomorrow see www.amsatsa.org.za <http://www.amsatsa.org.za/>
If you have any recent recordings please send the MP3's to
saamsat@xxxxxxx.xx.xx
Thanks
Hans
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 15:32:45 -0500
From: "George Henry" <ka3hsw@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Diplexer
To: "amsat bb" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <6207F90C0FF14033941CCF9727A79A63@xxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
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Nah, hams of the future will have it downloaded to their chip implants at
birth... :-)
George, KA3HSW
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Kolakowski" <rogerkola@xxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 8:07 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Diplexer
> Amsat needs a WIKI to store all of this valuable information for hams of
> the future...
>
> Roger
> WA1KAT
>
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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 23:43:47 +0300
From: "Shamai \"SAM\" Opfer" <4z1ws.sam@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Mobile satellite operation from 4X this Tuesday,
April 12, 2011
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <BANLkTince-Jrq77pUyQp+Pa9zjR5et+5tA@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Hi all,
To celebrate the April 12 event of Yuri Gagarin's first manned flight to
space, and to receive ARISSat1, we will hold a mini field-day in the
Herzliya Science Center on coming Tuesday, (together with a BarBQ..)
Our event is planned to take place between 12:00UTC (15:00 Israel time)
until the ISS pass that is expected in the evening little after 18:00 UTC
(21:00 Israel time).
Success is not guaranteed, as we are not yet experienced with this kind of
operation, but we will appreciate any European and Russian operators that
can show up in the mutual passes of AO07, AO51, FO29 within these hours, and
also SO67 and VO52 toward 18:00UTC, to try and make QSOs with us, and help
us to demo HAM satellites operation.
Thanks and 73,
Shamai
4z1ws@xxxxx.xxx
on behalf of 4x4hsc club/ground station
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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 13:52:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Glen Zook <gzook@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: The Need for Phonetics
To: kc6uqh@xxx.xxxx amsat-bb <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>,
mspencer12345@xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx Scheller <nh6vb@xxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <56254.86201.qm@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
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Actually, the "NATO" phonetic alphabet was NOT developed by the military.?
It was developed by the International Civil Aviation Organization during the
1940s.? It was adopted by NATO during the 1950s.
Again, my position is that the ICAO phonetics usually work very well with
those who speak English as their first language.? It works fairly well with
those persons who do not speak English as their primary language but who
have been specifically trained in the use of ICAO phonetics.? It generally
works very well on radio links that do not have extensive QRM or QSB.?
However, when dealing with untrained individuals who do not speak English as
their primary language and when QSB and/or QRM is present, geographical
names work considerably better.
The same arguments that are being presented herein are routinely posted in
the discussions on QRZ.com concerning the "proper" phonetic alphabet.?
Frankly, the majority of people have made their decision and they are not
going to change how they use the phonetic alphabets.? Some use the ICAO
phonetic alphabet no matter what and some people do adapt to the situation
and use alternate phonetic alphabets of which the geographical name version
is the most used of the alternate phonetic alphabets where amateur radio is
concerned.
When working DX through a "pileup" the vast majority of time stations who
use geographic names are going to get through a lot faster than those who
insist on using just the ICAO phonetic alphabet.? This is contrary to the
opinion of those who insist that the ICAO phonetic alphabet "must" be used.?
However, for those stations who routinely work DX the vast majority do use
geographical names when working DX.? Now when working "stateside" the vast
majority of those operators do use the ICAO phonetic alphabet.
I have "heard" these same arguments numerous times before concerning the
ICAO phonetic alphabet versus geographical names.? A relatively few persons
who have insisted on the ICAO version do realize that the ICAO phonetics are
not a "universal savior" where communications are concerned and do change
their operating habits to fit the situation.? But, those who insist that the
ICAO version is the only "correct" phonetic alphabet generally are not
convinced.? Frankly, these discussions go on forever and no resolution ever
happens.? As such, those discussions are eventually shut down and things
return to normal.
As for me, I will continue to use the ICAO phonetic alphabet for stateside
contacts and when the other station has English as their primary language.?
However, I don't like to spend a lot of time in "pileups" when working DX
stations and therefore I will continue to use geographical names and work
the station generally along time before those who use ICAO phonetics get
through.
Now getting back to satellite communications:? Generally, since the vast
majority of stations worked by United States operators do have English as
their primary language, I definitely agree that the ICAO phonetics should
generally be used.? For stations who do not speak English as their primary
language then using geographical names is definitely a viable alternative.
Glen, K9STH
Website: http://k9sth.com
--- On Sun, 4/10/11, nh6vb Scheller <nh6vb@xxx.xxx> wrote:
From: nh6vb Scheller <nh6vb@xxx.xxx>
Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Re: The Need for Phonetics
To: kc6uqh@xxx.xxxx gzook@xxxxx.xxxx "amsat-bb" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>,
mspencer12345@xxxxx.xx
Date: Sunday, April 10, 2011, 3:16 PM
Glen et all,
Once upon a time, during WWII, the phonetic alphabet started: Abei, Baker,
Dog.....etc.
With the advent of NATO, it was soon realized that the American version, or
any ones
else, was not suitable for international communication. Soon the NATO
phonetic alphabet
was developed by the military, and? became international standard. The present
international phonetic alphabet defines the letter K as KILO, not kilowatt.
It would be very
helpful for the amateur community to stick to established international
standards and not
bicker with their own cute substitutes. Citizens band has infiltrated ham
radio to the point
of satellite communication. Even as amateurs, let's be PAPA ROMEO OSCAR
FOXTROT
ECHO SIERRA SIERRA INDIA OSCAR NOVEMBER ALPHA LIMA.
73,
Peter, NH6VB?
> From: kc6uqh@xxx.xxx
> To: gzook@xxxxx.xxxx amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx mspencer12345@xxxxx.xx
> Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 11:28:52 -0700
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: The Need for Phonetics
>
> Glen,
> Engineers use KW for kilowatt. That might explain my confusion using KW
> abbreviation as an occupation for 30 years before becoming an Amateur Radio
> Operator.
> Art,
> KC6UQH
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
> Behalf Of Glen Zook
> Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 9:33 AM
> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx Mark Spencer
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: The Need for Phonetics
>
> Although some people say kilowatt is two words, it definitely is not. In
> over 50 years of using "kilowatt" as a phonetic I have not once had a
> station think it is KW. Kilowatt makes it through QRM and QSB a LOT better
> than "kilo". Some operators do use "Kansas" or "Korea" for the letter "K".
>
> Glen, K9STH
>
> Website: http://k9sth.com
>
>
> --- On Sun, 4/10/11, Mark Spencer <mspencer12345@xxxxx.xx> wrote:
>
> The use of Kilowatt as a phonetic is a pet peeve of mine especially where
> there is a brief pause between kilo and watt.?? When I hear kilo I assume
> the letter k is being represented, then when I hear watt I have to decide if
> the sender is also representing the letter w or not.
>
> It seems overly confusing to me.
>
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