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Today's Topics:
1. ARRISat-1 CW (Aa4mi@xxx.xxxx
2. The Need for Phonetics (John Papay)
3. Re: ARRISat-1 CW (Anthony Monteiro)
4. Re: Diplexer (Art McBride)
5. SATPC32 and FT847 (Tom Schuessler)
6. XE3DX Sat, on Lotw. (David Maciel)
7. Re: SATPC32 and FT847 (Erich Eichmann)
8. Re: Diplexer (Roger Kolakowski)
9. Yaesu FTM-350AR (John Price)
10. This afternoon on the sats (Andrew Glasbrenner)
11. Re: The Need for Phonetics (Glen Zook)
12. anybody hear Arissat-1 yet? (Mark L. Hammond)
13. Proper Phonetics (Clint Bradford)
14. Re: anybody hear Arissat-1 yet? (Clint Bradford)
15. Re: This afternoon on the sats (wa4hfn@xxxxxxx.xxxx
16. Re: anybody hear Arissat-1 yet? (Mark L. Hammond)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 20:48:15 EDT
From: Aa4mi@xxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] ARRISat-1 CW
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Greetings,
Is the ARRISat-1 CW signal on 145.919 MHz an "A1" mode or an audio tone on
an FM signal?
73,
Carl Zelich, AA4MI,
_aa4mi@xxxx.xxxx (mailto:aa4mi@xxxx.xxxx
AMSAT Member 36366,
_AMSAT_ (http://www.amsat.org/) - The Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation
_QRZ AA4MI_ (http://www.qrz.com/db/aa4mi)
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 21:49:14 -0400
From: John Papay <john@xxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] The Need for Phonetics
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Kevin, KF7MYK, provides a great example of what
happens when operators do not use phonetics. You
may think you are saving time by not using them, but
the fact is that unless someone is familiar with your
callsign, they may copy it incorrectly. You want
everyone on the bird to have your callsign correct so
they can call you with the right call rather than having
to ask for it again in phonetics, or worse yet, getting
it wrong.
If you call someone using just their suffix, it means that
you don't have their prefix. When you hear someone call you
that way, you know they need the missing part of your call.
If you have someone's complete callsign, don't call them by
their suffix. That's not their callsign. Sometimes you only
hear the grid square and call someone that way. This is an
indicator that you need the persons complete callsign. A
complete exchange is what we should strive for.
If you call someone with an incorrect call, other stations
pick up on that callsign and the inaccuracy propagates
throughout the pass. You find yourself looking them up
on qrz.com and not finding a match. Then you are listening
to the recording and trying to figure out where you went wrong.
Satellites have varying audio quality and the users
radios are all over the place in terms of level and
clarity. Phonetics will get the callsign through
correctly and avoid the problems associated with not
getting it right. Everyone is not copying the bird full
quieting. Give them half a chance.
Also keep in mind that when you are working someone whose
first language is not English, they may have even more
trouble with your callsign if you don't use proper phonetics.
Many non-English speaking amateurs know just enough to
copy a callsign, give you their name, report and QTH.
They learn the International Phonetic Alphabet and will
recognize the words associated with the letters. If you
use some other words, they may not understand what letters
you are trying to convey. Adjust your operating based on
who you are trying to work.
Remember that everyone on the bird is listening to your QSO
and hopefully writing down your callsign for future reference.
Use phonetics and SLOW DOWN. Don't run your grid square into
the end of your callsign. Announce your callsign at a constant
pace. This methodology will help everyone get it right the first
time and save airtime in the long run.
All this, of course, in my humble opinion.
73,
John K8YSE
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 21:59:03 -0400
From: Anthony Monteiro <aa2tx@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ARRISat-1 CW
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Hi Carl,
It's "A1" mode.
73,
Tony AA2TX
---
At 08:48 PM 4/9/2011, Aa4mi@xxx.xxx wrote:
>
>Greetings,
>
>Is the ARRISat-1 CW signal on 145.919 MHz an "A1" mode or an audio tone on
>an FM signal?
>
>
>73,
>Carl Zelich, AA4MI,
>_aa4mi@xxxx.xxxx (mailto:aa4mi@xxxx.xxxx
>AMSAT Member 36366,
>_AMSAT_ (http://www.amsat.org/) - The Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 19:53:29 -0700
From: "Art McBride" <kc6uqh@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Diplexer
To: "'Andrew Rich'" <vk4tec@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>, "'i8cvs'"
<domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx>, "'Amsat - BBs'" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>,
"'Anthony Monteiro'" <aa2tx@xxxxxxx.xxx>
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Andrew,
Both Duplexer and Diplexer allow for transmit and receive at the same time.
A duplexer, as used on a 2 meter repeater has an extremely narrow filter
allowing transmit on IE: 146.000 MHz and receive on 146.600 MHz. They
typically use cavity resonators, each cavity is 30" tall and 7-10" in
diameter and it takes 6 of them to make it work well. They must be tuned to
the repeater transmit and receive frequencies.
A Diplexer is a small box with two filters allowing you to transmit on two
bands, receive on two bands, or transmit on one band and receive on the
other band at the same time. The diplexer keeps the bands separate to
prevent damage to the equipment on the other band.
Also there exists a Triplexer which is the same as a Diplexer but it
supports three bands. I have one here for 2M, 70cm, and 23cm. I use it on a
triband base antenna with a Kenwood TM 741A
A Diplexer or Triplexer can be used to connect antenna connectors of radios
on different bands to a common coax, three antennas to a common coax or both
to use one run of coax for two or more bands.
The Circulator mentioned for the radar is different from the Duplexer and
diplexer in that it allows the receiver and transmitter to be connected to
the antenna while the transmitter is operating. There are T/R and anti T/R
switches to prevent damage to the radar receiver during transmit and reflect
receive signals that reach the transmitter to the receiver. This is a pulse
echo system so receiver and Transmitter never function at the same time but
require a fast antenna switching time. A typical marine radar, switches from
Transmit to receive in 150 nS resulting in ~300 yards of "blindness"
measured from the antenna to the first target the radar can see.
I hope this clarifies the differences.
Art,
KC6UQH
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Rich [mailto:vk4tec@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx
Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 1:39 PM
To: kc6uqh@xxx.xxxx 'i8cvs'; 'Amsat - BBs'; 'Anthony Monteiro'
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: Diplexer
DU = TX RX
DI = RX
----- Original Message -----
From: "Art McBride" <kc6uqh@xxx.xxx>
To: "'i8cvs'" <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx>; "'Amsat - BBs'" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>;
"'Anthony Monteiro'" <aa2tx@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 6:27 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Diplexer
> As I understand it,
> A Duplexer allows for transmission and reception to take place in the same
> band using a single band antenna.
> A Diplexer allows for transmission and reception to take place on
> different
> bands using a multi-band antenna.
>
> Art,
> KC6UQH
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
> Behalf Of i8cvs
> Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 10:35 AM
> To: Amsat - BBs; Anthony Monteiro
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Diplexer
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Anthony Monteiro" <aa2tx@xxxxxxx.xxx>
> To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 5:15 PM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Diplexer
>
>> A "duplexor" is a device that allows both transmitting and
>> receiving over the same transmission line or antenna. It
>> may or may not be a passive device and it may or may not
>> be frequency selective.
>>
>> In WWII RADAR systems, a duplexor was used to allow
>> the transmitter and receiver on the same frequency to
>> share the same antenna. The duplexor was a waveguide
>> device that had special gas-filled tubes to quickly
>> switch the signal direction.
>>
>> 73,
>> Tony AA2TX
>>
> Hi Tony, AA2TX
>
> I have in my hands the Instruction Book for Radar Recognition
> Sets AN/UPX-6 of U.S. Navy Department Bureau of Ships.
>
> The UPX6 is a IFF transponder on board of aicrafts and was used
> in WWII for Identification of Friend or Foe.
>
> The UPX-6 can transmit from 1010-1030 MHz and receive from
> 1090-1110 MHz and allows both transmitting and receiving over
> the same transmission line and antenna via a circuit made of coax
> cable RG-58/CU that the manual calls a "DUPLEXER" and not
> a "duplexor".
>
> This "duplexer" is working on the fact that a transmission line,
> shorted at the far end a quarter wavelenght long for the incoming
> signal,represent infinite impedance (an open circuit) at the sending
> end of the line.
>
> The UPX-6 was converted in the early 1980's to be used on 1296 MHz
> and an interesting article written by W6NBI was published in Ham
> Radio Magazine march 1981
>
> I modified it and I got 40 watt output.......not too bad for that epoch
> time !
>
> Best 73" de
>
> i8CVS Domenico
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the frequency of uplink or downlink. Problem is that although the program
was tracking Doppler correctly, the radio was not tracking at all. With the
multiple lines of possibilities on the Doppler.sqf file as is the case for
AO-51, I can go to the CAT dialog and change the mode frequencies just fine,
the radio goes to the new frequencies and even reflects the current state of
the Doppler shifted frequencies but from there, no Doppler corrections
occur.
Now I remember reading the "Manual" that "CAT Delay" for the FT897 needed to
be set to 20. Cat Delay is in the "Radio Setup" dialog is defaulted to 70.
I realize this now after the fact with radio not in my presence. Is this
the reason that the above mentioned problem could be occurring?
I hope to make another go at this in a few weekends in the hope of getting
ready for Field Day. Thanks for the help of the list.
Tom Schuessler
2713 Lake Gardens Drive
Irving, Texas 75060
972-986-7456
214-403-1464 (Cell)
n5hyp@xxxx.xxx
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 00:41:07 -0500
From: "David Maciel" <xe3dx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] XE3DX Sat, on Lotw.
To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
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Just to say to those who have worked at my station from the grids EK15,
EK25, EK35,EK09, EK37, EK38,
EK39, EK26, EK35 and EK34 (TG8/XE3DX). during the yearsfrom 2009 to 2011
will be available in lotw
next week to confirm, EK36 my home has always been on lotw to confirm, if
there is no QSO, send an email
to confirm the data.
David Maciel
XE3DX
Amateur Ham Radio
www.qsl.net/xe3dx/
xe3dx@xxxxx.xxx
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 11:14:32 +0200
From: "Erich Eichmann" <erich.eichmann@xxxxxxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: SATPC32 and FT847
To: "Tom Schuessler" <tjschuessler@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Hello Tom,
the automatic Doppler correction works flawlessly. However, the program does
not update the radio frequencies every second (that is not neccessary and
would take a lot of system time), but only when the Doppler shift of the
higher one of both frequencies has changed by more than the "interval". In
menu "CAT" the interval can be set separately for FM and SSB sats (default:
100 Hz for SSB, 600 Hz for FM sats). So, if the Doppler shift changes rather
slowly, it may look as if the automatic Doppler correction wouldn't t work.
Decrease the intervals in menu CAT and watch the changes of the Doppler
shift. Whenever the Doppler shift of the higher band changed by more than
the intervalency of uplink or downlink. Problem is that although the program
> was tracking Doppler correctly, the radio was not tracking at all. With
> the
> multiple lines of possibilities on the Doppler.sqf file as is the case for
> AO-51, I can go to the CAT dialog and change the mode frequencies just
> fine,
> the radio goes to the new frequencies and even reflects the current state
> of
> the Doppler shifted frequencies but from there, no Doppler corrections
> occur.
>
> Now I remember reading the "Manual" that "CAT Delay" for the FT897 needed
> to
> be set to 20. Cat Delay is in the "Radio Setup" dialog is defaulted to
> 70.
> I realize this now after the fact with radio not in my presence. Is this
> the reason that the above mentioned problem could be occurring?
>
> I hope to make another go at this in a few weekends in the hope of getting
> ready for Field Day. Thanks for the help of the list.
>
> Tom Schuessler
> 2713 Lake Gardens Drive
> Irving, Texas 75060
> 972-986-7456
> 214-403-1464 (Cell)
> n5hyp@xxxx.xxx
>
>
>
>
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 09:07:04 -0400
From: Roger Kolakowski <rogerkola@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Diplexer
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4DA1AB78.7050701@xxx.xxx>
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Amsat needs a WIKI to store all of this valuable information for hams of
the future...
Roger
WA1KAT
On 4/9/2011 10:53 PM, Art McBride wrote:
> Andrew,
> Both Duplexer and Diplexer allow for transmit and receive at the same time.
>
> A duplexer, as used on a 2 meter repeater has an extremely narrow filter
> allowing transmit on IE: 146.000 MHz and receive on 146.600 MHz. They
> typically use cavity resonators, each cavity is 30" tall and 7-10" in
> diameter and it takes 6 of them to make it work well. They must be tuned to
> the repeater transmit and receive frequencies.
>
> A Diplexer is a small box with two filters allowing you to transmit on two
> bands, receive on two bands, or transmit on one band and receive on the
> other band at the same time. The diplexer keeps the bands separate to
> prevent damage to the equipment on the other band.
>
> Also there exists a Triplexer which is the same as a Diplexer but it
> supports three bands. I have one here for 2M, 70cm, and 23cm. I use it on a
> triband base antenna with a Kenwood TM 741A
>
> A Diplexer or Triplexer can be used to connect antenna connectors of radios
> on different bands to a common coax, three antennas to a common coax or both
> to use one run of coax for two or more bands.
>
> The Circulator mentioned for the radar is different from the Duplexer and
> diplexer in that it allows the receiver and transmitter to be connected to
> the antenna while the transmitter is operating. There are T/R and anti T/R
> switches to prevent damage to the radar receiver during transmit and reflect
> receive signals that reach the transmitter to the receiver. This is a pulse
> echo system so receiver and Transmitter never function at the same time but
> require a fast antenna switching time. A typical marine radar, switches from
> Transmit to receive in 150 nS resulting in ~300 yards of "blindness"
> measured from the antenna to the first target the radar can see.
>
>
> I hope this clarifies the differences.
> Art,
> KC6UQH
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Rich [mailto:vk4tec@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx
> Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 1:39 PM
> To: kc6uqh@xxx.xxxx 'i8cvs'; 'Amsat - BBs'; 'Anthony Monteiro'
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: Diplexer
>
> DU = TX RX
> DI = RX
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Art McBride"<kc6uqh@xxx.xxx>
> To: "'i8cvs'"<domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx>; "'Amsat - BBs'"<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>;
>
> "'Anthony Monteiro'"<aa2tx@xxxxxxx.xxx>
> Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 6:27 AM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Diplexer
>
>
>> As I understand it,
>> A Duplexer allows for transmission and reception to tan WWII RADAR systems,
a duplexor was used to allow
>>> the transmitter and receiver on the same frequency to
>>> share the same antenna. The duplexor was a waveguide
>>> device that had special gas-filled tubes to quickly
>>> switch the signal direction.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Tony AA2TX
>>>
>> Hi Tony, AA2TX
>>
>> I have in my hands the Instruction Book for Radar Recognition
>> Sets AN/UPX-6 of U.S. Navy Department Bureau of Ships.
>>
>> The UPX6 is a IFF transponder on board of aicrafts and was used
>> in WWII for Identification of Friend or Foe.
>>
>> The UPX-6 can transmit from 1010-1030 MHz and receive from
>> 1090-1110 MHz and allows both transmitting and receiving over
>> the same transmission line and antenna via a circuit made of coax
>> cable RG-58/CU that the manual calls a "DUPLEXER" and not
>> a "duplexor".
>>
>> This "duplexer" is working on the fact that a transmission line,
>> shorted at the far end a quarter wavelenght long for the incoming
>> signal,represent infinite impedance (an open circuit) at the sending
>> end of the line.
>>
>> The UPX-6 was converted in the early 1980's to be used on 1296 MHz
>> and an interesting article written by W6NBI was published in Ham
>> Radio Magazine march 1981
>>
>> I modified it and I got 40 watt output.......not too bad for that epoch
>> time !
>>
>> Best 73" de
>>
>> i8CVS Domenico
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 09:25:30 -0400
From: John Price <n4qwf1@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Yaesu FTM-350AR
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Has anyone tried using the Yaesu FTM-350AR mobile to work the FM
satellites. It is stated in the manual that it is a full-duplex radio.
Been looking at something to use mobile. I would appreciate any input
anyone might have. Thanks. << John
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N4QWF Amateur Radio Operator
AO-7,AO-27,FO-29,SO-50,AO-51,VO-52,ISS
Email N4QWF@xxxxx.xxx
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Amsat Member #27845
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arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to
skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly
proclaiming - "WOW, What a ride!"
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 11:16:09 -0400
From: Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] This afternoon on the sats
To: amsat-florida@xxxxx.xxxx Amsat-BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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Hi all,
This afternoon I am hosting a small group from the St. Pete Yacht Club
as a follow-up to my presentation last month. We are going to go over
equipment in more detail, and will try to be on the afternoon's FM
passes, and probably FO-29 as well. They are gearing up for a trip to
Mexico and back, and plan to operate satellite along the way.
So, if you hear some new calls on this afternoon, please make an effort
to give them a QSO, and welcome them to the satellites.
73, Drew KO4MA
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 08:26:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Glen Zook <gzook@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: The Need for Phonetics
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx John Papay <john@xxxxxx.xxx>
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The question of "proper" phonetics comes up several times a month in threads
on QRZ.com. Unfortunately, the ICAO phonetics (alpha, bravo, etc.) present
problems when regional accents in the United States are present and even
more so when the person involved does not have English as their primary
language.
ICAO phonetics were adopted for use on radio circuits that are usually free
of QRM, QSB, etc., by trained operators. Unfortunately, amateur radio
operations are often not QRM, QSB, etc., free and the vast number of amateur
radio operators are not professionally trained.
The ICAO phonetics were adopted by the military decades ago and generally
work well for military communications. However, military operators are very
well trained.
Those operators who are involved in "DX chasing" and contest operations
often use geographic names instead of the ICAO phonetics. This procedure
works very well when QRM and QSB are present as well as with operators who
do not have English as their primary language.
When working stations that have English as their primary language I do use
the ICAO phonetics for my call: Kilo Nine Sierra Tango Hotel. However,
when working DX my call is very often not fully understood. Under those
circumstances I use: Kilowatt Nine Spain Texas Honolulu and my call is
understood the first time 99.99% of the time.
Then there is the case of a local YL operator who's call ends in the letter
"i". She was working a DX station who just could not get the last letter in
her call. She tried the ICAO "India" and that did not work. She tried the
geographical name "Italy" and that did not work. Therefore she tried all
sorts of words starting with the letter "i" and they did not work. Finally,
in frustration she called out "idiot"! The DX station got her last letter
that time!
Basically, the ICAO phonetics are the standard for general amateur radio
operations. Geographic names are the pseudo standard for working DX. But,
as the local YL found out, you use anything that works!
Glen, K9STH
Head moderator QRZ.com
Website: http://k9sth.com
--- On Sat, 4/9/11, John Papay <john@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
Kevin, KF7MYK, provides a great example of what happens when operators do
not use phonetics.? You may think you are saving time by not using them, but
the fact is that unless someone is familiar with your callsign, they may
copy it incorrectly.? You want everyone on the bird to have your callsign
correct so they can call you with the right call rather than having to ask
for it again in phonetics, or worse yet, getting it wrong.
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 11:44:42 -0400
From: "Mark L. Hammond" <marklhammond@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] anybody hear Arissat-1 yet?
To: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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Well, if I have my notes right, Arissat-1 should be active for almost one
orbit thus far---anybody hear it yet?
West Coast US? South Africa? Russia? Heading to India and China soon...
73,
Mark L. Hammond [N8MH]
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 08:59:29 -0700
From: Clint Bradford <clintbradford@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Proper Phonetics
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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The ARRL Ops Guide (ARRL publication FSD220) is a very popular download from
my sat site's "Shack Aids" ...
http://tinyurl.com/shack-aids
Two great pages containing ...
Communications Procedures
ITU Phonetic Alphabet
R-S-T System explanation
Time Conversion Chart
Clint, K6LCS
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 09:03:02 -0700
From: Clint Bradford <clintbradford@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: anybody hear Arissat-1 yet?
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <A6F94567-4E95-44A6-99A1-EE05AB6D3D83@xxx.xxx>
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What notes are you working from???
The "formal" activation begins 7:30AM PDT Monday, April 11 ... Do you have a
test schedule you're working from???
We're gearing up for five passes here in Southern CA for the event!
Here are the five passes I show that are monitor-able for us in Southern
California during the Yuri Gagarin celebration activation of ARISSat-1 ...
http://gallery.me.com/clintbradford/100077
Times are ...
11:06PM PDT 04/11
05:32AM PDT 04/12
07:07AM PDT 04/12
09:56PM PDT 04/12
11:32PM PDT 04/12
PLUS OR MINUS UP TO TWO MINUTES. And while monitoring 145.950, there will be
two-minute "gaps" between 40-60 seconds of pre-recorded transmissions - so
KNOW where the ISS will be in the sky, and KEEP MONITORING for the entire
pass!
Clint
909-241-7666
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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 16:05:51 +0000 (UTC)
From: wa4hfn@xxxxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: This afternoon on the sats
To: Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: AMSAT <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID:
<778795271.842802.1302451551644.JavaMail.root@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxx.xx.xxxx.xxxx
xxx.xxx>
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Drew when are you going to change the AO51 uplink back ?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Glasbrenner" <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-florida@xxxxx.xxxx "Amsat-BB" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 10:16:09 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] This afternoon on the sats
Hi all,
This afternoon I am hosting a small group from the St. Pete Yacht Club
as a follow-up to my presentation last month. We are going to go over
equipment in more detail, and will try to be on the afternoon's FM
passes, and probably FO-29 as well. They are gearing up for a trip to
Mexico and back, and plan to operate satellite along the way.
So, if you hear some new calls on this afternoon, please make an effort
to give them a QSO, and welcome them to the satellites.
73, Drew KO4MA
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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 12:13:41 -0400
From: "Mark L. Hammond" <marklhammond@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: anybody hear Arissat-1 yet?
To: Clint Bradford <clintbradford@xxx.xxx>, AMSAT BB
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <VsDj1g00S56cfur05sDk35@xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Doh! Wrong day :)
See why I asked? hehe
73!
Mark N8M (it's been a LONG week and a short weekend...)
At 09:03 AM 4/10/2011 -0700, Clint Bradford wrote:
>What notes are you working from???
>
>The "formal" activation begins 7:30AM PDT Monday, April 11 ... Do you have
a test schedule you're working from???
>
>We're gearing up for five passes here in Southern CA for the event!
>
>Here are the five passes I show that are monitor-able for us in Southern
California during the Yuri Gagarin celebration activation of ARISSat-1 ...
>
>http://gallery.me.com/clintbradford/100077
>
>Times are ...
>
>11:06PM PDT 04/11
>05:32AM PDT 04/12
>07:07AM PDT 04/12
>09:56PM PDT 04/12
>11:32PM PDT 04/12
>
>PLUS OR MINUS UP TO TWO MINUTES. And while monitoring 145.950, there will
be two-minute "gaps" between 40-60 seconds of pre-recorded transmissions -
so KNOW where the ISS will be in the sky, and KEEP MONITORING for the entire
pass!
>
>Clint
>909-241-7666
>_______________________________________________
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