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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Yuri's 50th ARISSat-1 transmissions (Gould Smith)
   2. Re: -={Echo Madness}=- (P.H.)
   3. Re: -={Echo Madness}=- (Gary "Joe" Mayfield)
   4.  ZF2AE/ZF8 will be QRV from FK09 (Adrian Engele)
   5.  More Echo Madness (K5OE)
   6. Re: -={Echo Madness}=- (Andrew Glasbrenner)
   7. Re: Subscribers (n0jy@xxxxxxx.xxxx
   8.  Fm Birds (Giacobbe Lauser)
   9. Re: Fm Birds (Dee)
  10. HudsonValleySatcomGroupNetMarch31@xxxxxxxx Echolink	N2EYH-L
      node 429079 (Cotejaune2@xxx.xxxx
  11.  soldering iron recommendation (zach hillerson)
  12. Re: -={Echo Madness}=- (George Henry)
  13. Re: soldering iron recommendation (Lowell White)
  14.  Intro to Satellite Presentation (Dale Hershberger)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 00:39:35 -0400
From: "Gould Smith" <gouldsmi@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Yuri's 50th ARISSat-1 transmissions
To: <G0MRF@xxx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <39846C5DE6214C0DBC3ACB520C77CCB4@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original

Hi David and BB,

We hope to release a development version of the BPSK/CW decoding software
next week. We don't have the schedule specifics of the 12 April
transmissions yet. These will be posted on the AMSAT and ARISSat1 web sites
when available.

The transmissions on the 12th will see ARISSat-1 in low power mode, this
means 40-60 secs on, 2 minutes off.
It should be a challenge to find and tune the CW signal then decode some
BPSK data during the short on times. This mode was developed to be used when
the batteries are low or the satellite is in eclipse. We will be collecting
data and information to improve the BPSK demodulating, decoding and display
software.  FUNcube Dongle users are encouraged to capture and record the
downlink signals, then send us the files for examination. More information
on where to send the files next week.

Additional information should be available later next week on the AMSAT and
ARISSat1 web sites as well as the AMSAT BB.

73.
Gould, WA4SXM


----- Original Message -----
From: <G0MRF@xxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 4:49 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Yuri's 50th


> Hi all.
>
> Well.
>
> Hi ARISSat team actually.
>
> It's now less than 2 weeks before ARISSat-1 will be activated on board the
> ISS.
>
> Can anyone tell me / us, the current status of the ARISat  decoding
> software / where it can be downloaded and the planned times of  activation
> of the
> satellite please.
>
> Would be nice to have some time to load it onto the computer at a weekend
> and avoid the traditional last minute rush.
>
>
> BTW.  Did it get recharged via a new lead on the last supply  flight?
> (Will
> it last 24 hrs?)
>
>
> Thanks
>
> David G0MRF
>
>
>
>
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 10:29:31 +0100
From: "P.H." <bbjunkie@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: -={Echo Madness}=-
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID:
<AANLkTik-MX4dn4CqtGigW+gHqCfF5phm5b3yOaPV4Q6C@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
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>>> Several others have written in support, and
>>> I only wish more would have done so publicly.

I wasn't going to reply to this thread when it started because I feel
quite strongly about the subject and didn't want to say something I
would later regret. However as I feel I need to show my support for
Drew's decision, here goes.

First of all I think Drew was right to do what he did, over here in
Europe things are pretty much the same, in fact I have heard worse
than the recording posted here earlier in the week. I have experienced
the same frustration that I imagine Drew did when he had others
deliberately stomp all over him, it's not nice, especially when it's
the same stations day in and day out.

While I dont always agree with Drew's attitude to people here on -bb,
on this occasion I do support him in what he did - and appreciate both
his efforts in looking after the sat and those of the other command
stations (and of course others behind the scenes who dont always get a
mention)

There has been a lot of talk about what can't be done to rectify the
situation.. we need to have a more positive approach to this and look
at what can be done.

Our license states that it is an offence to cause interference - If it
is intentional or not, it is interference - some people have compared
it to a HF pileup, yes there is that side to it, but that doesn't mean
we cant do something about those regular users who continually make a
nuisance of themselves by stomping all over other stations, be it
deliberate or not - it is interference. If you cant make a contact on
the sat without regularly causing interference, then it's either time
to look at asking for help with your station setup and operating
practices or consider another aspect of the hobby.

The ham radio governing bodies (ARRL, RSGB etc) are perhaps in a
better position to offer assistance to contact those who don't hang
out on here or have contact details on QRZ.com etc.

For those people who choose to ignore the advise and continue to cause
interference by stomping all over users then perhaps if a few
complaints were lodged with the licensing authority it may help.

I know it won't cure the problem totally but wouldn't it help? - those
who are that way inclined will think twice before making a total
nuisance of themselves on the air, and those that choose to ignore the
thought of having their license revoked may well just get a letter
forwarded to them by their national Amsat organisation via the ARRL or
RSGB etc, or repeat offenders from the licensing authority.

To reiterate, i'm not talking about the new operators, we were all new
once. I'm talking about the regular offenders who are just plain rude
and cant wait their turn, or greedy and think it is their right to
have X amount of contacts per pass no matter how much interference
they cause.

Just some suggestions, it may take a little time and effort but also
it may well pay off in the long run.

Here in Europe there are several stations who pass after pass just
stomp all over other users and make AO-51 in particular not a nice
place to be.

I would certainly never consider using AO-51 as a satellite to do a
demo on to beginners when these guys are around.

However, the last few days on AO-51 have been a pleasure to work since
the switch and if it continues like this (doubtful) then a demo on
AO-51 would most definitley be a possibility.

Remember, the use of AO-51 is a privilege, not a right. Treat it, and
it's users with the respect it/they deserve.

Ok, rant over.

Keep up the good work Drew, Mark, Gould and all the team at Amsat-NA

73

Pete
2i0VAX


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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 07:01:50 -0500
From: "Gary \"Joe\" Mayfield" <gary_mayfield@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: -={Echo Madness}=-
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <COL114-DS15046CFBF844B2F5AEF9298ABF0@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Okay, I'll go public as well.  I sent Clint a private email.  I disagree
with what Drew did.  I appreciate he has a truly thankless job.  I have
nothing but respect for him.  The amount of time and energy it takes to do
the many good things he does for us is huge.  I know I could not do it, but
that does not mean I always agree.  Drew is a grown up and I like to think I
am a grown up so we can disagree and not have any animosity towards each
other.

AO-51 is a zoo at times, so is 20 meters during contests.  It is the nature
of the beast.  As time goes on people will figure out how to make contacts,
whether it is change birds, change times, or change tactics.  I believe
limiting access is a bad idea.

I'm not wanting to start a flame war, just wanting to state there is another
side to the argument, and there are a few of us on that side.

73,
Joe kk0sd

-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of P.H.
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 4:30 AM
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: -={Echo Madness}=-

>>> Several others have written in support, and
>>> I only wish more would have done so publicly.

I wasn't going to reply to this thread when it started because I feel
quite strongly about the subject and didn't want to say something I
would later regret. However as I feel I need to show my support for
Drew's decision, here goes.

First of all I think Drew was right to do what he did, over here in
Europe things are pretty much the same, in fact I have heard worse
than the recording posted here earlier in the week. I have experienced
the same frustration that I imagine Drew did when he had others
deliberately stomp all over him, it's not nice, especially when it's
the same stations day in and day out.

While I dont always agree with Drew's attitude to people here on -bb,
on this occasion I do support him in what he did - and appreciate both
his efforts in looking after the sat and those of the other command
stations (and of course others behind the scenes who dont always get a
mention)

There has been a lot of talk about what can't be done to rectify the
situation.. we need to have a more positive approach to this and look
at what can be done.

Our license states that it is an offence to cause interference - If it
is intentional or not, it is interference - some people have compared
it to a HF pileup, yes there is that side to it, but that doesn't mean
we cant do something about those regular users who continually make a
nuisance of themselves by stomping all over other stations, be it
deliberate or not - it is interference. If you cant make a contact on
the sat without regularly causing interference, then it's either time
to look at asking for help with your station setup and operating
practices or consider another aspect of the hobby.

The ham radio governing bodies (ARRL, RSGB etc) are perhaps in a
better position to offer assistance to contact those who don't hang
out on here or have contact details on QRZ.com etc.

For those people who choose to ignore the advise and continue to cause
interference by stomping all over users then perhaps if a few
complaints were lodged with the licensing authority it may help.

I know it won't cure the problem totally but wouldn't it help? - those
who are that way inclined will think twice before making a total
nuisance of themselves on the air, and those that choose to ignore the
thought of having their license revoked may well just get a letter
forwarded to them by their national Amsat organisation via the ARRL or
RSGB etc, or repeat offenders from the licensing authority.

To reiterate, i'm not talking about the new operators, we were all new
once. I'm talking about the regular offenders who are just plain rude
and cant wait their turn, or greedy and think it is their right to
have X amount of contacts per pass no matter how much interference
they cause.

Just some suggestions, it may take a little time and effort but also
it may well pay off in the long run.

Here in Europe there are several stations who pass after pass just
stomp all over other users and make AO-51 in particular not a nice
place to be.

I would certainly never consider using AO-51 as a satellite to do a
demo on to beginners when these guys are around.

However, the last few days on AO-51 have been a pleasure to work since
the switch and if it continues like this (doubtful) then a demo on
AO-51 would most definitley be a possibility.

Remember, the use of AO-51 is a privilege, not a right. Treat it, and
it's users with the respect it/they deserve.

Ok, rant over.

Keep up the good work Drew, Mark, Gould and all the team at Amsat-NA

73

Pete
2i0VAX
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 05:09:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Adrian Engele <aa5uk@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb]  ZF2AE/ZF8 will be QRV from FK09
To: AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <737786.22323.qm@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

OK, here is the game plan. I will be making a special trip over to FK09 today.

I plan to be on during 1900 UTC through 2300 UTC today only!!!

I hope to get on:


AO27 at 19:06 UTC

FO-29 at 21:03 UTC

AO-51 at 21:11 UTC

Please, please, please be patient and listen, listen, listen.  This makes it
easier on this operator and I can work more stations efficiently as was done
yesterday.

73, Adrian AA5UK  - ZF2AE/ZF8 EK99xp  > FK09 later today

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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 08:41:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: K5OE <k5oe@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb]  More Echo Madness
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <8CDBDB80F9A1459-15F0-7E46@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx.xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"


Please allow a little perspective on AO-51 from someone who has worked it
for a long time and from all over the world.

I left the USA in late 2003 for a work assignment in Darwin, NT (Australia
as VK8OE), where I talked to myself for over a year on AO-51 mode L/S (I
took my AO-40 setup and it died before I could work it as DX).  I did the
same thing on ISS packet, having great keyboard QSO's with myself.  The only
sat contacts I ever made while VK8OE was on AO-51 in mode V/U FM (mobile
while at work) with a few ops on the other side of the continent (VK5ZAI,
VK3FGN, VK2TU, VK2TRF, et al).

Ditto in the UK (M0GOE), where every pass sounds like the one from last
weekend--or worse.  I gave up working FM satellites for several years while
in Europe--and I had an Arrow!  The only operating time on sats I had for a
number of years was a Mexican cruise in 2007 where 100% of the succesful
contacts were on AO-51.  I am repeating that cruise in two weeks and hope to
work a few of you on this venerable bird.

I spent most of last year in Papua New Guinea (V29OE) and the only satellite
traffic I ever heard was on AO-51 V/U FM (VK's of course).  I never
completed a QSO as I just could not make it with a bad battery in my FT51R
(less than a Watt) and a whip antenna.

Sorry for the rambling.... the bottom line is birds like AO-51 are a great
resource to us and finding ways to manage them for everyone's benefit is a
challenge.  They are a priviledge to work, not a right.  Control of them is
not a democracy.  And regardless if you consider this a casual interest or a
seriously competitive sport, it is still just a hobby.

The thing that really annoys me, though, is that I saw Drew's posting, I
wrote down the new uplink frequency, I had it in front of me on a sticky
note, and I still didn't connect the dots when I couldn't hear myself in the
downlink!  I deserved to miss that grid :-)

73,
Jerry, K5OE






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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 07:42:39 -0500
From: Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: -={Echo Madness}=-
To: Gary Joe Mayfield <gary_mayfield@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: "<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <45C2270B-6B09-4668-8DEB-C8D8DEFB7F3B@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=us-ascii

That's fine Joe. I don't expect everyone to walk in lockstep. What I do
expect is to not be accused, as others have, of impropriety within what I do
for AMSAT. That type of accusation will elicit an aggressive, overwhelming
defense every time.

73, Drew KO4MA

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 31, 2011, at 7:01 AM, "Gary \"Joe\" Mayfield"
<gary_mayfield@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:

> Okay, I'll go public as well.  I sent Clint a private email.  I disagree
> with what Drew did.  I appreciate he has a truly thankless job.  I have
> nothing but respect for him.  The amount of time and energy it takes to do
> the many good things he does for us is huge.  I know I could not do it, but
> that does not mean I always agree.  Drew is a grown up and I like to think I
> am a grown up so we can disagree and not have any animosity towards each
> other.
>
> AO-51 is a zoo at times, so is 20 meters during contests.  It is the nature
> of the beast.  As time goes on people will figure out how to make contacts,
> whether it is change birds, change times, or change tactics.  I believe
> limiting access is a bad idea.
>
> I'm not wanting to start a flame war, just wanting to state there is another
> side to the argument, and there are a few of us on that side.
>
> 73,
> Joe kk0sd
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
> Behalf Of P.H.
> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 4:30 AM
> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: -={Echo Madness}=-
>
>>>> Several others have written in support, and
>>>> I only wish more would have done so publicly.
>
> I wasn't going to reply to this thread when it started because I feel
> quite strongly about the subject and didn't want to say something I
> would later regret. However as I feel I need to show my support for
> Drew's decision, here goes.
>
> First of all I think Drew was right to do what he did, over here in
> Europe things are pretty much the same, in fact I have heard worse
> than the recording posted here earlier in the week. I have experienced
> the same frustration that I imagine Drew did when he had others
> deliberately stomp all over him, it's not nice, especially when it's
> the same stations day in and day out.
>
> While I dont always agree with Drew's attitude to people here on -bb,
> on this occasion I do support him in what he did - and appreciate both
> his efforts in looking after the sat and those of the other command
> stations (and of course others behind the scenes who dont always get a
> mention)
>
> There has been a lot of talk about what can't be done to rectify the
> situation.. we need to have a more positive approach to this and look
> at what can be done.
>
> Our license states that it is an offence to cause interference - If it
> is intentional or not, it is interference - some people have compared
> it to a HF pileup, yes there is that side to it, but that doesn't mean
> we cant do something about those regular users who continually make a
> nuisance of themselves by stomping all over other stations, be it
> deliberate or not - it is interference. If you cant make a contact on
> the sat without regularly causing interference, then it's either time
> to look at asking for help with your station setup and operating
> practices or consider another aspect of the hobby.
>
> The ham radio governing bodies (ARRL, RSGB etc) are perhaps in a
> better position to offer assistance to contact those who don't hang
> out on here or have contact details on QRZ.com etc.
>
> For those people who choose to ignore the advise and continue to cause
> interference by stomping all over users then perhaps if a few
> complaints were lodged with the licensing authority it may help.
>
> I know it won't cure the problem totally but wouldn't it help? - those
> who are that way inclined will think twice before making a total
> nuisance of themselves on the air, and those that choose to ignore the
> thought of having their license revoked may well just get a letter
> forwarded to them by their national Amsat organisation via the ARRL or
> RSGB etc, or repeat offenders from the licensing authority.
>
> To reiterate, i'm not talking about the new operators, we were all new
> once. I'm talking about the regular offenders who are just plain rude
> and cant wait their turn, or greedy and think it is their right to
> have X amount of contacts per pass no matter how much interference
> they cause.
>
> Just some suggestions, it may take a little time and effort but also
> it may well pay off in the long run.
>
> Here in Europe there are several stations who pass after pass just
> stomp all over other users and make AO-51 in particular not a nice
> place to be.
>
> I would certainly never consider using AO-51 as a satellite to do a
> demo on to beginners when these guys are around.
>
> However, the last few days on AO-51 have been a pleasure to work since
> the switch and if it continues like this (doubtful) then a demo on
> AO-51 would most definitley be a possibility.
>
> Remember, the use of AO-51 is a privilege, not a right. Treat it, and
> it's users with the respect it/they deserve.
>
> Ok, rant over.
>
> Keep up the good work Drew, Mark, Gould and all the team at Amsat-NA
>
> 73
>
> Pete
> 2i0VAX
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 09:17:45 -0500 (CDT)
From: n0jy@xxxxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Subscribers
To: "Kevin Deane" <summit496@xxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <27169.170.49.217.215.1301581065.squirrel@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1

Sure thing, Kevin!  And be sure to encourage them to join Amsat too, so we
can all help pay for these wonderful toys that we have the opportunity to
use.  In these days of technological advancement, it may sometimes be
overlooked that we are dealing with rocket science.  How many others can
say that they have participated in the design, building, and launching of
a satellite, even indirectly?  It's truly a wonderful opportunity!  Amsat
has brought what used to be in the realm of "specialized" stations to the
availability of most hams with modest station equipment.  And there are
opportunities to grow and push the edge of our technological abilities by
taking advantage of a growth in users.  What Amsat has done is well worth
our support.

73,
Jerry
N?JY

>
>
> I mentioned this BB to a fellow Sat user and he has joined. I think
> everyone should, I have found this a very usefull source of information.
> Plus you can reply to certain users without posting to everyone which I
> think is nice.
>
> Except of course when you hit the wrong button.
>
> Anyway seems some of the other forums are stale, year + old post and all.
> I saw mentioned here about not everyone reading this BB so I thought I
> would spread the word.
>
> This is a good thing right?
>
> Kevin
> KF7MYK





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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 08:16:12 -0700
From: Giacobbe Lauser <23tauri@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb]  Fm Birds
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID:
<AANLkTim51DygKvz7im=zszVr6YWT-T3Wu8XtB9symJ1i@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Just so everyone knows, I find all of this utter ridiculous; and while
I disagree with all of the folks who say "this is just a hobby" (since
many of us are also commercial operators and heavily involved in
ARES/RACES, etc. as certified emergency radio operators), I do believe
that some civility is in order.

Rather than complain incessantly though, I'm just going to get off the
birds altogether. I'm thinking of selling my FT-60R, my Elk antenna,
and my digital recorder and moseying on down the bands. I really
prefer HF DX and contesting anyway, but satellite was fun while it
lasted...

I do hope you're all able to sort this mess out though. It's really
seeming petty from the outside, and I know most of us don't like
infighting like this.

Good luck! I'm out....

- Jake, K3UAZ


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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 11:43:29 -0400
From: Dee <morsesat@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Fm Birds
To: "'Giacobbe Lauser'" <23tauri@xxxxx.xxx>, amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <12683848306A4053975F1E7DB2B915C0@xxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Wow,
I always tell people that it is a hobby.  I am also involved with RACES.  I
was involved with commercial satellite communications as well.  You put into
this part of the hobby what you expect to get out of it.  For instance--LEO
vs. HEO.  You must see the many laments about the High Earth orbiters being
fun supplying many hours of fun DX and communications.  At the moment, and
near future, LEO is what we have and we must share resources.  Drew is
getting hit with a sucker punch without warrant.  He is one of the people
behind the scenes.  All the engineering, supervisory, and worker bee staff
is to be commended for their "Volunteer" efforts.
Maybe, Jake, you can step in to assist in some way and bring your energy to
this group.
I was on the phone yesterday with a Satellite "newbie" and offered advice
and supplied him with enough to get him started and hooked to this end of
the hobby.  Many Sats and many hours of use to satisfy everyone presently.
And--to those that use the Sats--Join AMSAT so your voices can be added to
those support efforts required.
73,
Dee, NB2F
NJ AMSAT coordinator

-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Giacobbe Lauser
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 11:16 AM
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Fm Birds

Just so everyone knows, I find all of this utter ridiculous; and while I
disagree with all of the folks who say "this is just a hobby" (since many of
us are also commercial operators and heavily involved in ARES/RACES, etc. as
certified emergency radio operators), I do believe that some civility is in
order.

Rather than complain incessantly though, I'm just going to get off the birds
altogether. I'm thinking of selling my FT-60R, my Elk antenna, and my
digital recorder and moseying on down the bands. I really prefer HF DX and
contesting anyway, but satellite was fun while it lasted...

I do hope you're all able to sort this mess out though. It's really seeming
petty from the outside, and I know most of us don't like infighting like
this.

Good luck! I'm out....

- Jake, K3UAZ
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:55:59 EDT
From: Cotejaune2@xxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] HudsonValleySatcomGroupNetMarch31@xxxxxxxx
Echolink	N2EYH-L node 429079
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <b149e.4f4e4a54.3ac60c1f@xxx.xxx>
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It is time again for the HVSCG Net at 8 PM on Echolink N2EYH-L and the MT
beacon Repeater 146.970 pl 100. Please join us for the net and share your
satellite knowledge and talk about any contacts you have made on the birds.
An  Amsat coordinator or two will be there to answer any questions you may
have. Hope to hear you there.


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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 10:28:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: zach hillerson <qstick333@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb]  soldering iron recommendation
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <124914.66339.qm@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

A bit off topic - I am hoping to get? better at making cables and dipoles
etc... and would like to replace the antiquated soldering iron I am
attempting to use with something more suited to the job.? I'd appreciate a
recommendation as to brands/models I should be looking at for this type of
work.? I'm not sure what wattage would be appropriate.? I do not plan to do
circuit work at this time, strictly connectors and HF dipoles.

Thanks!

Zach
N4ERZ








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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 10:41:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: George Henry <ka3hsw@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: -={Echo Madness}=-
To: AMSAT <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <344838.51948.qm@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Unlike 20 meters, where everyone is transmitting on their?OWN equipment, AO-51
is a "repeater" in the sky, owned & controlled by AMSAT, and the rights to use
of which can be withdrawn or restricted at any time.??Just like the
owner/control operator(s) of a terrestrial repeater, Drew (and every other
control op) has the absolute right to shut down/reprogram the satellite for
ANY
reason he deems fit.??Further, AMSAT has the right to ban?anyone from using
the
satellite, under penalty of law, just as a repeater owner can control who may
use his repeater or any of its features.

If someone was incessantly whistling, causing interference by keying up dead
carriers over other stations without ID'ing, or pulling other similar
shenanigans on?any of the terrestrial repeaters that I am a control op for, I
would have shut it down...


George, KA3HSW



----- Original Message ----
> From: "Gary "Joe" Mayfield" <gary_mayfield@xxxxxxx.xxx>
> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 7:01:50 AM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: -={Echo Madness}=-
>
[snip]
>
> AO-51 is a zoo at times, so is 20 meters during contests.? It is the nature
> of the beast.? As time goes on people will figure out how to make contacts,
> whether it is change birds, change times, or change tactics.? I believe
> limiting access is a bad idea.
>
[snip]



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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:55:41 -0500
From: "Lowell White" <whiteld@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: soldering iron recommendation
To: zach hillerson <qstick333@xxxxx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <268PcER3p8032S01.1301594141@xxxxx.xxx.xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Hi Zach,

You might find either a 'regular' or average sized soldering gun to be of use,
or a 40W-50W iron, mainly depending on the size of wire / connector you plan
to typically work on. Soldering guns typically will have a higher wattage
rating and a larger surface contact area, lending them to better handle
heating of, say, the shell of a PL-259. An iron is better suited for smaller
or lower power (i.e. more sensitive to heat) applications. Various tips can be
had on irons also to help suit them to the work to be done. The most common
are round tips or chisel points.

Weller is probably the best known and distrubuted brand of the consumer
brands. A local hardware store or some hobby stores would be likely to carry
them as well as might big box stores.

Kind regards & 73,

Lowell
K9LDW

------ Original Message ------
Received: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:33:15 PM CDT
From: zach hillerson <qstick333@xxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb]  soldering iron recommendation

> A bit off topic - I am hoping to get? better at making cables and dipoles
etc... and would like to replace the antiquated soldering iron I am attempting
to use with something more suited to the job.? I'd appreciate a
recommendation as to brands/models I should be looking at for this type of
work.? I'm not sure what wattage would be appropriate.? I do not plan to do
circuit work at this time, strictly connectors and HF dipoles.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Zach
> N4ERZ
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 10:33:42 -0800
From: Dale Hershberger <daleh@xxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb]  Intro to Satellite Presentation
To: amsat-bbs <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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Myself, Dale/KL7XJ, Dan O'Barr/KL7DR and Craig/KL4E will be giving a
Satellite presentation
at the monthly meeting of the Anchorage Amateur Radio Club on Friday
April 1st.  Meeting will
be in the in the Carr-Gottsein building at Alaska Pacific University,
Anchorage, Alaska.

I will give a intro to satellite ppt, Dan and Craig will help.  We will
try a real demo but the
only two sats will be SO67 and HO68.  HO68 shows as being down even
though it is scheduled to be on over the Americas for two weeks starting
Mar 30.  Our best try will  be the SO67 pass.

HO68 AOS at 1956 Local/0356 UTC
SO67 AOS at 2110 Local/0510 UTC

Hope to make some contacts...
Thanks for listening.

Dale/KL7XJ
Area Coordinator-Alaska



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