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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Ham Radios on Cruises (nh6vb Scheller)
2. Re: Ham Radios on Cruises (Bob Bruninga)
3. Re: Ham Radios on Cruises (Andrew Rich)
4. AMSAT Fox News (JoAnne Maenpaa)
5. L Band antenna (Dave Webb KB1PVH)
6. Re: Ham Radios on Cruises (Donald Jacob)
7. Re: Ham Radios on Cruises (Bob Bruninga)
8. Re: Ham Radios on Cruises (Glen Zook)
9. April 12 - Yuri & ARISSat-1 (Clint Bradford)
10. Re: Ham Radios on Cruises (Tony Langdon)
11. Re: Ham Radios on Cruises (Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-655-8604)
12. ND9M/MM: DM02 - No Deal (Clary, James T, Civilian)
13. Re: Ham Radios on Cruises (Roger Kolakowski)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 10:41:33 -1000
From: nh6vb Scheller <nh6vb@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Ham Radios on Cruises
To: <kl7cn.w6@xxxxx.xxx>, Bob Bruninga <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>
Cc: clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx amsat-bb <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <BAY147-w26B0C15FEE6C6CF1268ED5E1C10@xxx.xxx>
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Bob et all,
It might be a good idea to consult with the most current FCC regulations.
The sticker here is that almost all cruise lines are foreign flagged, and thus
a foreign country. In the past, FCC regulations stated that US hams could
operate on US flagged ships on the high seas, with the captain's permission.
However, there are several treaties, the US is a signatory to, making it much
easier for hams to operate outside their home countries.
To make a long story short, any vessel on the high seas is the country whose
flag it flies, thus comes under the regulation of that particular country.
Case in point, a US private yacht whose master (a US citizen obtained a
foreign
ham license i.e. Mexico, needs a visitors US ham license and call, in order
to operate
on the high seas (international waters). He also needs permission from
himself,
being the captain of a US flagged vessel, to do so.
The way I see it, if you operate from a Norwegian flagged cruise liner, you
would
need a Norwegian ham call and the captain's permission to operate on the
high seas.
Now, as soon as you enter French Polynesian waters, you need to deal with
the French.
The French will gladly give you a guest license, based on your American FCC
license.
But then you cannot operate from the Norwegian flagged ship. You can sit in
a cafe in
Tahiti and talk on your hand held to your heart's contend, but don't try it
from the cruise
ship. The exception here would be if you hold both, a US and a Norwegian ham
license,
Then the French will issue you a guest license based on your Norwegian
license.
Complicated, you bet. Best is to apply for a guest license before you go on
the cruise.
One more caution. In some countries it is illegal to possess radio equipment
that is capable
to transmit or receive on frequencies outside their alloted ham frequencies.
Australia is
very strict in enforcing that restriction. Don't get caught with a ham radio
modified for
MARS use. That is a no no and can earn you a hefty fine.
73,
Peter, NH6VB
> Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 10:25:52 -0800
> From: kl7cn.w6@xxxxx.xxx
> To: bruninga@xxxx.xxx
> CC: clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Ham Radios on Cruises
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Bob Bruninga <bruninga@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
> > NO, this is exactly the info we need. The entry would be:
> >
> > Holand America - Prohibited. But exceptions have been made *
> >
> > *And then site the exceptions, who, when.
> >
> > That is a LOT more info than NO listing at all.
> >
> > Bob, WB4APR
>
>
> Bob, I get the feeling that would be the entry for all the cruise lines.
> Perhaps a document representing the current experience and advice would be
> most helpful. I'll see what I can do.
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 15:51:42 -0500
From: "Bob Bruninga" <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Ham Radios on Cruises
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <01e901cbd852$785a1ac0$690e5040$@xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
OK, the web page could say:
1) "The following have written policy prohibiting all "radio" operations...
<big list>
2) "The following have written policy prohibiting "amateur radio" operations
<big list>
3) "On the following lines no one has yet found a written prohibition, but
the captian of the ship should always be informed as to any radio operation
(usually via the Comm officer).
Good luck.
<list>
4) In all categories above. There are known examples of individuals
obtaining permission. These cruise lines AND ships have supported amateur
operations.
* Then each amateur that has been successful should submit a simple sentence
of what he did (May request his call be removed before posting on the web
page so he is not burdened by continuously answering the same question for
the next 20 years.) But properly formatting your sentence to answer all the
proper questions in the first place will usually avoid that kind of bother.
Examples:
Wrote letter advance to ____. Got written permission
Asked Bursar on arrival to speak to commo... Got permission
Slipped note under door of comm. shack with my cabin number.. got
permission... etc..
Etc...
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: n0jy@xxxxxxx.xxx [mailto:n0jy@xxxxxxx.xxxx
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 1:17 PM
To: Bob Bruninga
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: Ham Radios on Cruises
For what it's worth, you may not be as forward as I am...
On our last cruise (in 2008) I just took my HT and Arrow with me, called
the Purser and asked to speak with the Radio Officer for permission to
operate. I believe it was the next day that I spoke with them and
described what I was using and what bands, they gave me permission and I
went to work making satellite contacts.
At that time, their primary concern was power, frequency, and whether my
antenna would bother any other passengers. Princess Cruise Lines.
73,
Jerry
N?JY
> Can we nail down all the cruise ships that prohibit it and those that
> allow
> it into a single document. Then provide a link to it on the AMSAT web
> page?
>
> This topic comes up over and over, and someday when I retire, I too am
> going
> to want to go on cruise, AND take ham radio along, and so I too will be
> asking this question.
>
> So this is a good INFO topic that we need to collectively nail down, and
> then get it permanently posted on the AMSAT web page...
>
> Thanks...
> Then we can UPDATE it as new info comes in (everyone write their cruise
> ship
> and indicate you're not taking their cruise if you cannot bring your
> radio)...
>
> Bob
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 07:13:56 +1000
From: Andrew Rich <vk4tec@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Ham Radios on Cruises
To: nh6vb Scheller <nh6vb@xxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>, "clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx
<clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <047EF716-1857-4570-BBC5-CC65AA12E14C@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
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Are there other countries outside the USA ? I am unsure now
Sent from my iPhone
Andrew Rich
On 02/03/2011, at 6:41, nh6vb Scheller <nh6vb@xxx.xxx> wrote:
>
> Bob et all,
>
> It might be a good idea to consult with the most current FCC regulations.
> The sticker here is that almost all cruise lines are foreign flagged, and
thus
> a foreign country. In the past, FCC regulations stated that US hams could
> operate on US flagged ships on the high seas, with the captain's permission.
> However, there are several treaties, the US is a signatory to, making it
much
> easier for hams to operate outside their home countries.
>
> To make a long story short, any vessel on the high seas is the country whose
> flag it flies, thus comes under the regulation of that particular country.
> Case in point, a US private yacht whose master (a US citizen obtained a
foreign
> ham license i.e. Mexico, needs a visitors US ham license and call, in
order to operate
> on the high seas (international waters). He also needs permission from
himself,
> being the captain of a US flagged vessel, to do so.
>
> The way I see it, if you operate from a Norwegian flagged cruise liner,
you would
> need a Norwegian ham call and the captain's permission to operate on the
high seas.
> Now, as soon as you enter French Polynesian waters, you need to deal with
the French.
> The French will gladly give you a guest license, based on your American
FCC license.
> But then you cannot operate from the Norwegian flagged ship. You can sit
in a cafe in
> Tahiti and talk on your hand held to your heart's contend, but don't try
it from the cruise
> ship. The exception here would be if you hold both, a US and a Norwegian
ham license,
> Then the French will issue you a guest license based on your Norwegian
license.
> Complicated, you bet. Best is to apply for a guest license before you go
on the cruise.
>
> One more caution. In some countries it is illegal to possess radio
equipment that is capable
> to transmit or receive on frequencies outside their alloted ham
frequencies. Australia is
> very strict in enforcing that restriction. Don't get caught with a ham
radio modified for
> MARS use. That is a no no and can earn you a hefty fine.
>
> 73,
> Peter, NH6VB
>
>
>> Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 10:25:52 -0800
>> From: kl7cn.w6@xxxxx.xxx
>> To: bruninga@xxxx.xxx
>> CC: clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Ham Radios on Cruises
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Bob Bruninga <bruninga@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
>>
>>> NO, this is exactly the info we need. The entry would be:
>>>
>>> Holand America - Prohibited. But exceptions have been made *
>>>
>>> *And then site the exceptions, who, when.
>>>
>>> That is a LOT more info than NO listing at all.
>>>
>>> Bob, WB4APR
>>
>>
>> Bob, I get the feeling that would be the entry for all the cruise lines.
>> Perhaps a document representing the current experience and advice would be
>> most helpful. I'll see what I can do.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 15:25:01 -0600
From: "JoAnne Maenpaa" <k9jkm@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Fox News
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <004201cbd857$2176a890$6463f9b0$@xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Hello Everyone,
The http://www.amsat.org web page news has been updated to introduce AMSAT
Fox.
--
73 de JoAnne K9JKM
k9jkm@xxxxx.xxx
Editor, AMSAT News Service
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 16:33:54 -0500
From: Dave Webb KB1PVH <kb1pvh@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] L Band antenna
To: AMSAT -BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID:
<AANLkTikLckDxU8-Q=gcRgmJ-X0r_MV3Es2aCeH2aJE9q@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
I just got the 1.2ghz module for my 910, now I'm looking for suggestions on
an antenna.
Thanks,
Dave - KB1PVH
Sent from my Verizon Wireless DROID X
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 13:41:03 -0800
From: Donald Jacob <wb5eku@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Ham Radios on Cruises
To: Bob Bruninga <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID:
<AANLkTinPDXh+=unsHtSfFUzvcO=LoMdUNyGV-gF47aTZ@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
I'm sorry, maybe I'm missing something.
Wouldn't it be much easier to say (on web page or what ever since this topic
has been address MANY MANY times) that you must check with the ships
Captain and/or communications officer. Forget FCC or any other
nation's communications
authority, since once at sea the ship is totally under the authority
of the Captain -- Maritime Law.
Just seems much more logical to me than beating a dead horse!
73
Don WB5EKU
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Bob Bruninga <bruninga@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
> OK, the web page could say:
>
> 1) "The following have written policy prohibiting all "radio" operations...
> ? <big list>
>
> 2) "The following have written policy prohibiting "amateur radio" operations
> ? <big list>
>
> 3) "On the following lines no one has yet found a written prohibition, but
> the captian of the ship should always be informed as to any radio operation
> (usually via the Comm officer).
> Good luck.
> ? <list>
>
> 4) In all categories above. ?There are known examples of individuals
> obtaining permission. ?These cruise lines AND ships have supported amateur
> operations.
>
> * Then each amateur that has been successful should submit a simple sentence
> of what he did (May request his call be removed before posting on the web
> page so he is not burdened by continuously answering the same question for
> the next 20 years.) ?But properly formatting your sentence to answer all the
> proper questions in the first place will usually avoid that kind of bother.
> Examples:
>
> Wrote letter advance to ____. ?Got written permission
> Asked Bursar on arrival to speak to commo... ?Got permission
> Slipped note under door of comm. shack with my cabin number.. got
> permission... etc..
>
> Etc...
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: n0jy@xxxxxxx.xxx [mailto:n0jy@xxxxxxx.xxxx
> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 1:17 PM
> To: Bob Bruninga
> Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: Ham Radios on Cruises
>
> For what it's worth, you may not be as forward as I am...
>
> On our last cruise (in 2008) I just took my HT and Arrow with me, called
> the Purser and asked to speak with the Radio Officer for permission to
> operate. ?I believe it was the next day that I spoke with them and
> described what I was using and what bands, they gave me permission and I
> went to work making satellite contacts.
>
> At that time, their primary concern was power, frequency, and whether my
> antenna would bother any other passengers. ?Princess Cruise Lines.
>
> 73,
> Jerry
> N?JY
>
>> Can we nail down all the cruise ships that prohibit it and those that
>> allow
>> it into a single document. ?Then provide a link to it on the AMSAT web
>> page?
>>
>> This topic comes up over and over, and someday when I retire, I too am
>> going
>> to want to go on cruise, AND take ham radio along, and so I too will be
>> asking this question.
>>
>> So this is a good INFO topic that we need to collectively nail down, and
>> then get it permanently posted on the AMSAT web page...
>>
>> Thanks...
>> Then we can UPDATE it as new info comes in (everyone write their cruise
>> ship
>> and indicate you're not taking their cruise if you cannot bring your
>> radio)...
>>
>> Bob
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 17:11:02 -0500
From: "Bob Bruninga" <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Ham Radios on Cruises
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <020001cbd85d$8d9b8990$a8d29cb0$@xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> I'm sorry, maybe I'm missing something.
> Wouldn't it be much easier to say ...
> that you must check with the ships
> Captain and/or communications officer
Yes, exactly the point. But that is no where near good enough advice. So
that we don?t have to address this for each 4000 of us that might eventually
take a cruise and have piecemeal responses from a dozen different people
offering portions of the answer that then we have to assemble each time from
a dozen emails, the AMSAT web page should also address these points (and
more).
The web page should also suggest:
1) In your (1 page or less) written request to the captain include:
2) What frequencies and bands and power level
3) Description of your antenna and power source
4) Copy of your license
5) Copy of appropriate language in ITU Radio Rules
6) Copy of appropriate language in Maritime Law
7) Copy of whatever else.
Lets nail down the above list once and for all, post it. And then we don?t
have to hash it everytime with only pieces of the answer coming in from a
dozen different folks, but one answer that accumulates all that info in one
place.
Something like that is what I was proposing.
Bob, WB4APR
-----Original Message-----
From: Donald Jacob [mailto:wb5eku@xxxxx.xxxx
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 4:41 PM
To: Bob Bruninga
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: Ham Radios on Cruises
I'm sorry, maybe I'm missing something.
Wouldn't it be much easier to say (on web page or what ever since this topic
has been address MANY MANY times) that you must check with the ships
Captain and/or communications officer. Forget FCC or any other
nation's communications
authority, since once at sea the ship is totally under the authority
of the Captain -- Maritime Law.
Just seems much more logical to me than beating a dead horse!
73
Don WB5EKU
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Bob Bruninga <bruninga@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
> OK, the web page could say:
>
> 1) "The following have written policy prohibiting all "radio"
operations...
> ? <big list>
>
> 2) "The following have written policy prohibiting "amateur radio"
operations
> ? <big list>
>
> 3) "On the following lines no one has yet found a written prohibition, but
> the captian of the ship should always be informed as to any radio
operation
> (usually via the Comm officer).
> Good luck.
> ? <list>
>
> 4) In all categories above. ?There are known examples of individuals
> obtaining permission. ?These cruise lines AND ships have supported amateur
> operations.
>
> * Then each amateur that has been successful should submit a simple
sentence
> of what he did (May request his call be removed before posting on the web
> page so he is not burdened by continuously answering the same question for
> the next 20 years.) ?But properly formatting your sentence to answer all
the
> proper questions in the first place will usually avoid that kind of
bother.
> Examples:
>
> Wrote letter advance to ____. ?Got written permission
> Asked Bursar on arrival to speak to commo... ?Got permission
> Slipped note under door of comm. shack with my cabin number.. got
> permission... etc..
>
> Etc...
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: n0jy@xxxxxxx.xxx [mailto:n0jy@xxxxxxx.xxxx
> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 1:17 PM
> To: Bob Bruninga
> Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: Ham Radios on Cruises
>
> For what it's worth, you may not be as forward as I am...
>
> On our last cruise (in 2008) I just took my HT and Arrow with me, called
> the Purser and asked to speak with the Radio Officer for permission to
> operate. ?I believe it was the next day that I spoke with them and
> described what I was using and what bands, they gave me permission and I
> went to work making satellite contacts.
>
> At that time, their primary concern was power, frequency, and whether my
> antenna would bother any other passengers. ?Princess Cruise Lines.
>
> 73,
> Jerry
> N?JY
>
>> Can we nail down all the cruise ships that prohibit it and those that
>> allow
>> it into a single document. ?Then provide a link to it on the AMSAT web
>> page?
>>
>> This topic comes up over and over, and someday when I retire, I too am
>> going
>> to want to go on cruise, AND take ham radio along, and so I too will be
>> asking this question.
>>
>> So this is a good INFO topic that we need to collectively nail down, and
>> then get it permanently posted on the AMSAT web page...
>>
>> Thanks...
>> Then we can UPDATE it as new info comes in (everyone write their cruise
>> ship
>> and indicate you're not taking their cruise if you cannot bring your
>> radio)...
>>
>> Bob
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 14:49:42 -0800 (PST)
From: Glen Zook <gzook@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Ham Radios on Cruises
To: Bob Bruninga <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>, Donald Jacob <wb5eku@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <235323.50992.qm@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Sorry, but International law states that when in International Waters the
ship is considered to be a part of the jurisdiction of the country of
registry. The captain can give permission to operate. However, the
regulations concerning amateur radio operation are that of the country of
registry. You MUST have authority from the country of registry to operate.
The captain cannot just give his/her permission to operate. Some countries
do have recriprical agreements with the United States, some countries allow
CEPT operation, some countries require that you get an actual license
granted by that country. These regulations are determined by the country of
registry and NOT by the FCC nor by the captain of the vessel.
You also have to comply with ITU regulations which changes things like
frequencies available due to ITU Region. Those are Region I (Europe and
Africa), Region II (North and South America), and Region III (Asia,
Australia, and Oceania).
If the ship is of United States registry (of which a relatively few are),
then you have no problems when in International Waters. The only
restriction is whether or not you have the captain's permission. When in
territorial waters of another nation then you become subject to the
regulations of that country. Some countries, like Mexico, require a license
granted by that government (there is a substantial charge for this from
Mexico), some countries allow CEPT, etc., operation, some countries do not
allow any operation.
Remember, once you are on board a ship that is NOT of United States registry
then you are subject to the laws of the country of registry of the ship and
NOT subject to the laws of the United States. Your "rights" as a United
States citizen have absolutely no bearing when you are subject to the laws
of another country. Asserting your "rights" can be very detrimental to your
well being when dealing with the laws of other countries.
Cruises are supposed to be "fun". However, insisting on using your amateur
radio equipment without the permission of the captain of the vessel AND /
OR, especially, when not complying with the communications regulations of
the country of registry of the ship, can result in penalties which can range
from just a "slap on the wrist" to some VERY "hard time" situations.
There are cruises aimed especially at amateur radio operators on which
operation of equipment is welcomed. However, there are also cruises on
which operation of equipment is not only discouraged but actually banned.
You are cautioned to find out the regulations concerning amateur radio
operation of the country of registry of the ship as well as working with the
cruise line to obtain permission to operate. Without complying with the
laws of the country of registry you can be in some very serious trouble.
Glen, K9STH
Website: http://k9sth.com
--- On Tue, 3/1/11, Donald Jacob <wb5eku@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
I'm sorry, maybe I'm missing something. Wouldn't it be much easier to say
(on web page or what ever since this topic has been address MANY MANY times)
that you must check with the ships Captain and/or communications officer.
Forget FCC or any other nation's communications authority, since once at sea
the ship is totally under the authority of the Captain -- Maritime Law.
Just seems much more logical to me than beating a dead horse!
------------------------------
Message: 9
Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 15:53:04 -0800
From: Clint Bradford <clintbradford@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] April 12 - Yuri & ARISSat-1
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: ARISS-ops OPS <ariss-ops@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <225430AE-A9A2-4BEF-A0F2-472AF5D01DE4@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII
Yes, we are all disappointed that the deployment of ARISSat-1 has been
delayed - in direct violation of handshakes and written agreements.
But that does not mean that we should ignore the historical event that April
12 is bringing us: the 50th anniversary of Yuri Gagarin's space walk.
This is an opportunity for us. I have signed up with one organization to
throw a little party at my house ...
http://tinyurl.com/YURI-K6LCS
We'll have exclusive videos to share with attendees (even one from Bill Nye,
the Science Guy!), history to relate, and a tentative pass of the ISS here
in Southern California at 9:41PM on the 12th to hopefully monitor ARISSat-1.
The YurisNight.net people ( http://yurisnight.net/partylist/?partyid=1381 )
have put together quite a Web site. "We" can learn a lot by perusing their
promotional materials and press/media releases. I would love for us to be
thinking along the same lines for our future satellite announcements and
launches. There's not a huge cost involved to put together such media alerts
and promotional pieces. We DO have professional public relations people
among us. As I read through the Sponsorship Kit and Media Kit on
YurisNight.net, I envisioned how such materials would benefit AMSAT and our
cause ...
Our friends across the pond have put together another great Yuri resource -
http://www.yurigagarin50.org/
SO, at least in the Bradford household in Mira Loma CA US, we are
CELEBRATING on April 12. I will be sending my local newspapers a media alert
on the ARISSat-1 project and Yuri's anniversary (one newspaper will print it
- the other is a 50/50 proposition). I am using the date to promote AMSAT
and ARISSat-1. There will be live video from our back yard transmitted to
the planet via UStream if we are able to hear ARISSat-1 that evening.
We ALL can "use" this date to promote everything we're here for: AMSAT,
amateur radio, and the future of manned space travel.
Clint Bradford, K6LCS
909-241-7666
http://www.work-sat.com
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 11:17:17 +1100
From: Tony Langdon <vk3jed@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Ham Radios on Cruises
To: Donald Jacob <wb5eku@xxxxx.xxx>, Bob Bruninga <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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At 08:41 AM 3/2/2011, Donald Jacob wrote:
>I'm sorry, maybe I'm missing something.
>Wouldn't it be much easier to say (on web page or what ever since this topic
>has been address MANY MANY times) that you must check with the ships
>Captain and/or communications officer. Forget FCC or any other
>nation's communications
>authority, since once at sea the ship is totally under the authority
>of the Captain -- Maritime Law.
Permission for both maritime and aeronautical operation used to be
part of the Australian regulations exam (I remember studying
it). I'm not sure if that is still the case these days. In any
case, who you had to get permission to operate from depended on both
where the ship was registered, and where it was at the time (i.e.
territorial waters or international waters) you were to be operating,
but in all cases, the captain had to give consent (in addition to the
various national authorities involved), from what I recall. That was
the common thread.
73 de VK3JED / VK3IRL
http://vkradio.com
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 16:51:44 -0800
From: Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-655-8604 <faunt@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Ham Radios on Cruises
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Yes, some years back, I was on the ENDEAVOUR replica sailing up the
California coast. Within 12 miles of the coast (well marked on the
chart) I was N6TQS; outside that 12 miles, I was VK4??? (I've
forgotten). I really wanted to get on a LEO and work US stations with a
VK4 call, but the weather was bad, all northerlies, and we hugged the
coast the whole way up.
73, doug
On 01-Mar-11 16:17, Tony Langdon wrote:
> At 08:41 AM 3/2/2011, Donald Jacob wrote:
>> I'm sorry, maybe I'm missing something.
>> Wouldn't it be much easier to say (on web page or what ever since this
topic
>> has been address MANY MANY times) that you must check with the ships
>> Captain and/or communications officer. Forget FCC or any other
>> nation's communications
>> authority, since once at sea the ship is totally under the authority
>> of the Captain -- Maritime Law.
>
> Permission for both maritime and aeronautical operation used to be
> part of the Australian regulations exam (I remember studying
> it). I'm not sure if that is still the case these days. In any
> case, who you had to get permission to operate from depended on both
> where the ship was registered, and where it was at the time (i.e.
> territorial waters or international waters) you were to be operating,
> but in all cases, the captain had to give consent (in addition to the
> various national authorities involved), from what I recall. That was
> the common thread.
>
> 73 de VK3JED / VK3IRL
> http://vkradio.com
>
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 00:59:25 -0000
From: "Clary, James T, Civilian" <James.T.Clary.civ@xxx.xxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] ND9M/MM: DM02 - No Deal
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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Unfortunately, the ship's ETA schedule is a little too tight to allow
for any deviation, and we will not be able to dip into DM02. It was
worth a shot.
We'll be in the San Diego vicinity (DM13) for roughly two weeks before
taking off for Charleston, SC, by way of the Panama Canal. I'll see if
our departure can pass through DM02 with a well timed pass.
73,
Jim, ND9M / VQ9JC
Grid CM93
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 20:08:01 -0500
From: Roger Kolakowski <Rogerkola@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Ham Radios on Cruises
To: Glen Zook <gzook@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: Amsat-bb <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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Just bring a CB Radio...they are illegal everywhere... (humor/humour/hihi)
Roger
WA1KAT
On 3/1/2011 5:49 PM, Glen Zook wrote:
> Sorry, but International law states that when in International Waters the
ship is considered to be a part of the jurisdiction of the country of
registry. The captain can give permission to operate. However, the
regulations concerning amateur radio operation are that of the country of
registry. You MUST have authority from the country of registry to operate.
The captain cannot just give his/her permission to operate. Some countries
do have recriprical agreements with the United States, some countries allow
CEPT operation, some countries require that you get an actual license
granted by that country. These regulations are determined by the country of
registry and NOT by the FCC nor by the captain of the vessel.
>
> You also have to comply with ITU regulations which changes things like
frequencies available due to ITU Region. Those are Region I (Europe and
Africa), Region II (North and South America), and Region III (Asia,
Australia, and Oceania).
>
> If the ship is of United States registry (of which a relatively few are),
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