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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Ham Radios on Cruises (Bob Bruninga)
2. Mini-Grid Expedition CP29/CP39 (John Boudreau)
3. Re: Ham Radios on Cruises (Clint Bradford)
4. Re: Ham Radios on Cruises (Gordon JC Pearce)
5. Re: Ham Radios on Cruises (n0jy@xxxxxxx.xxxx
6. Re: Ham Radios on Cruises (Bryan Green)
7. Re: Ham Radios on Cruises (Clint Bradford)
8. Re: SO-67 1 mar 0419 UT pass (Hans)
9. Re: Ham Radios on Cruises (Clint Bradford)
10. Re: Ham Radios on Cruises (Clint Bradford)
11. Re: Ham Radios on Cruises (Donald Jacob)
12. ND9M/MM Op Sked: DM02 - Maybe (Clary, James T, Civilian)
13. Re: fo-29 (i8cvs)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 12:57:17 -0500
From: "Bob Bruninga" <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Ham Radios on Cruises
To: "'Clint Bradford'" <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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NO, this is exactly the info we need. The entry would be:
Holand America - Prohibited. But exceptions have been made *
*And then site the exceptions, who, when.
That is a LOT more info than NO listing at all.
Bob, WB4APR
-----Original Message-----
From: Clint Bradford [mailto:clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 12:21 PM
To: Bob Bruninga
Cc: 'Bryan Green'; amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: Ham Radios on Cruises
>> Can we nail down all the cruise ships that prohibit it and those that
allow
it into a single document. Then provide a link to it on the AMSAT web page?
Not really. The cruise line I used prohibits it - on their Web site. But our
group asked and was allowed free reign with our gear.
So a Web page citing that Holland America prohibits anything is irrelevant.
The best advice, IMHO, is to ask your travel agent for assistance with any
"extraordinary" requests.
Clint, K6LCS
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 11:10:09 -0700 (MST)
From: "John Boudreau" <john@xxxxxxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Mini-Grid Expedition CP29/CP39
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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I'll be travelling tomorrow to Tuktoyaktuk, NT by ice road and intend to
be active from CP29 and CP39 as follows:
GRID ON OFF SATELLITE
=================================
CP29 19:10 19:20 SO-50
CP39 20:46 20:52 AO-51
CP39 20:52 21:00 SO-50
CP39 21:29 21:30 AO-27
CP29 22:23 22:32 AO-51
CP29 22:32 22:41 SO-50
Coverage will be North America only, wherefore art thou HO-68? :(
CP79 next Tuesday/Wednesday.
73
John - VE8EV
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 10:10:11 -0800
From: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Ham Radios on Cruises
To: Bob Bruninga <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <C54A4C1D-A0F4-4B85-8725-F3FA21DA5F95@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
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I just do not see the point of a "list" of cruise lines. Exceptions are made
every day to accommodate guests' requests.
The most accurate, informative, and responsible statement we could make is ...
"On most cruise Web sites, you will find that ham radio gear on board is
listed as "prohibited." But a savvy travel agent - or a personal request to
the proper authority - can probably accommodate your urge to take ham gear
with you on your cruise."
>> ... Holland America - Prohibited. But exceptions have been made ...
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 18:13:21 +0000
From: Gordon JC Pearce <gordonjcp@xxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Ham Radios on Cruises
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <1299003201.20520.5.camel@xxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxx>
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On Tue, 2011-03-01 at 09:21 -0800, Clint Bradford wrote:
> >> Can we nail down all the cruise ships that prohibit it and those that
allow
> it into a single document. Then provide a link to it on the AMSAT web page?
>
>
> Not really. The cruise line I used prohibits it - on their Web site.
> But our group asked and was allowed free reign with our gear.
>
> So a Web page citing that Holland America prohibits anything is irrelevant.
>
> The best advice, IMHO, is to ask your travel agent for assistance with
> any "extraordinary" requests.
>
> Clint, K6LCS
It's pretty straightforward. A cruise is an expensive thing. If I'm
spending my money on a cruise and I want to use my amateur radio
equipment on board, then they can either let me and take my money, or
not let me and I'll take my money to the guy down the road.
This is called Free Market Economics, and sometimes it kind of half
works.
Gordon MM0YEQ
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 12:16:36 -0600 (CST)
From: n0jy@xxxxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Ham Radios on Cruises
To: "Bob Bruninga" <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <20956.170.49.217.216.1299003396.squirrel@xxxxxxx.xxx>
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For what it's worth, you may not be as forward as I am...
On our last cruise (in 2008) I just took my HT and Arrow with me, called
the Purser and asked to speak with the Radio Officer for permission to
operate. I believe it was the next day that I spoke with them and
described what I was using and what bands, they gave me permission and I
went to work making satellite contacts.
At that time, their primary concern was power, frequency, and whether my
antenna would bother any other passengers. Princess Cruise Lines.
73,
Jerry
N?JY
> Can we nail down all the cruise ships that prohibit it and those that
> allow
> it into a single document. Then provide a link to it on the AMSAT web
> page?
>
> This topic comes up over and over, and someday when I retire, I too am
> going
> to want to go on cruise, AND take ham radio along, and so I too will be
> asking this question.
>
> So this is a good INFO topic that we need to collectively nail down, and
> then get it permanently posted on the AMSAT web page...
>
> Thanks...
> Then we can UPDATE it as new info comes in (everyone write their cruise
> ship
> and indicate you're not taking their cruise if you cannot bring your
> radio)...
>
> Bob
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 10:25:52 -0800
From: Bryan Green <kl7cn.w6@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Ham Radios on Cruises
To: Bob Bruninga <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>
Cc: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID:
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On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Bob Bruninga <bruninga@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
> NO, this is exactly the info we need. The entry would be:
>
> Holand America - Prohibited. But exceptions have been made *
>
> *And then site the exceptions, who, when.
>
> That is a LOT more info than NO listing at all.
>
> Bob, WB4APR
Bob, I get the feeling that would be the entry for all the cruise lines.
Perhaps a document representing the current experience and advice would be
most helpful. I'll see what I can do.
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 10:29:36 -0800
From: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Ham Radios on Cruises
To: Bob Bruninga <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <165D7F79-EC5F-4CF1-84A1-F1B92A980BDC@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
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>> ... Holland America - Prohibited. But exceptions have been made ...
Any published "list o' exceptions" is only asking its author for trouble.
I mean, just because I can socially engineer around some "barricades" does
not mean that everyone can ... or should be able to (g).
It is one of those "life's common sense" matters, IMHO. Ask the proper
people politely, and you usually get what you need.
Clint
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 20:30:16 +0200
From: "Hans" <hans@xxxxxxx.xx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: SO-67 1 mar 0419 UT pass
To: "'David Palmer'" <zdap42@xxxxx.xxx>, <saguaroastro@xxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <AC62662538BC4F44BA099D8B5C03955E@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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I have asked the controllers to give me feedback
Hans
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of David Palmer
Sent: 01 March 2011 04:50 PM
To: saguaroastro@xxx.xxx
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: SO-67 1 mar 0419 UT pass
Nothing heard here from SO-67 in CM88 at 0430z on 3/1/2011. Saw some
other reports of nothing heard for that same pass off-list as well.
73 de Dave KB5WIA
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 4:39 AM, <saguaroastro@xxx.xxx> wrote:
> All did anyone hear SO-67 on this pass? Nothing heard from DM33.
>
> 73 de
> Rick
> K7TEJ
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 10:48:29 -0800
From: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Ham Radios on Cruises
To: Bob Bruninga <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <99CCF57E-AD0B-48F0-9836-77C8E789F0C4@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
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AMATEUR RADIO ON CRUISE LINES
Very few - if any - cruise lines will publicly state that amateur radio gear
is welcome on passenger cruises. As we researched the sites of over 60
lines, most actually state that "amateur radio gear is prohibited" on board.
But exceptions are made daily on many aspects of your travel. If you
absolutely must take your ham gear with you, then talk with your travel
agent. They know the contacts to make things happen for you. Not using a
travel agent? Then start with your sales agent, and work yourself up the
ladder of communications for your cruise line.
If leaving territorial waters, it is entirely your responsibility to know
the international laws regarding proper amateur radio operating procedures
while out of your home country. First and foremost: Carry a copy of your ham
radio license with you at all times. But that is NOT enough - carefully read
the information on the following two Web sites and be knowledgeable about
operating legally while on your cruise.
http://www.arrl.org/maritime-mobile-operation-in-international-waters
http://www.arrl.org/reciprocal-permit
/end/
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 10:54:33 -0800
From: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Ham Radios on Cruises
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <14A87C43-DC5E-4741-AF2F-DE8734C43932@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
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>> ... then they can either let me and take my money, or not let me and I'll
take my money to the guy down the road ...
This illustrates precisely my earlier point: Some people can "socially
engineer" and get permission to "break the rules" for many facets of their
lives.
While others get arrogant and demanding and blab about perceived rights ...
and, well, are folks I wouldn't want to be on a cruise with.
Clint Bradford, K6LCS
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 10:58:41 -0800
From: Donald Jacob <wb5eku@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Ham Radios on Cruises
To: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID:
<AANLkTindT2em2ZMP1Q=z6DJRg4nNNG8c0CjfNh415zG5@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
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I believe that you will find the corporate answer to ham radio
equipment aboard a ship is "no". All lines, standard disclaimer. That
being said, the ships Master (Captain) can grant use of the equipment
on his/her ship during the cruise.
In other words, if you ask corporate offices the will tell you; No.
You must ask the Captain of the ship you sail on.
This topic comes up all the time and the answer is the same.
I was just on a cruise and as usual I bring a hand held (or 2). On the
return up the coast of Baja I was on my balcony testing which DStar
repeaters in Southern California I could hit.
I had a QSO or two, then put my radio back up. All of a sudden there
was a loud knock at the cabin door and it opened with 3 security/fire
types coming in announcing that a fire alarm had gone off! Apparently
there is one on the balcony that the RF, 5 watts UHF, had set off. No,
I did not have permission to operate on board, and I did not tell them
about my transmission, so I guess the balcony got a new sensor!
As a note, everytime I ask ships personal what the difference between
FRS transmission and Ham radio transmission, they do not have an
answer. Quite possibly they are concerned about HF transmissions. It
would be something to pursue, but for now
Amateur Radio is not allowed on board cruise ships.
73
Don WB5EKU
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Clint Bradford
<clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>>> Can we nail down all the cruise ships that prohibit it and those that
allow
> it into a single document. ?Then provide a link to it on the AMSAT web page?
>
>
> Not really. The cruise lineb page citing that Holland America prohibits anything is irrelevant.
>
> The best advice, IMHO, is to ask your travel agent for assistance with any
"extraordinary" requests.
>
> Clint, K6LCS
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 19:05:15 -0000
From: "Clary, James T, Civilian" <James.T.Clary.civ@xxx.xxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] ND9M/MM Op Sked: DM02 - Maybe
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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There is a chance - a chance, mind you - that my ship may drop down into
DM02 tonight. This is a rare grid square for those looking to work all
488 grids in the Lower 48 states. If we get there, the most likely
passes that I'll be on will be AO7 (if it's in Mode B) and VO52.
AO7 - 02/0317Z
VO52 - 02/0336Z
No promises, but I'm hopeful.
73,
Jim, ND9M / VQ9JC
Grid CM93
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 20:20:27 +0100
From: "i8cvs" <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: fo-29
To: "AMSAT-BB" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>, "Kevin Deane"
<summit496@xxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <000f01cbd845$b8fe2ec0$0401a8c0@xxxxxx>
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Hi Kevin,
I forgot to say that a transponder like that of FO-29 is made "inverting" in
order to partially compensate and reduce the total doppler effect on the
ground due for the uplink and the downlink frequencies because both dopplers
subtracts each other into the transponder mixers during the up and down
frequency conversion so that the resultant total doppler effect on the
ground receiver is the difference between the uplink doppler and the
downlink doppler.
The reverse is through for a "non inverting" type transponder like for
example the OSCAR-7 Mode-A transponder in wich you transmit USB in 2 meters
and receive USB in 10 meters but the total doppler effect on the ground
receiver is the sum of both dopplers.
In the OSCAR-7 Mode-A the total doppler effect even if it is the sum of both
dopplers is very low because the 2 meters uplink and 10 meters downlink
frequencies are both relatively low so that the transponder can be made "non
inverting" without considebable problems for the satellite user.
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin Deane
To: domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 4:43 AM
Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] fo-29
thanks!!!
Kevin
> From: domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx
> To: summitctly in USB on
70
> cm you must transmit LSB in 2 meters.
>
> 73" de
>
> i8CVS Domenico
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kevin Deane" <summit496@xxxx.xxx>
> To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 3:07 AM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] fo-29
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > so I know you all will laugh at me but what inverting means lsb down usb
> up is this correct
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