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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Considerate satellite operations behavior. (Bill Gillenwater)
2. ND9M/MM Ops: FO29 & VO52 (Clary, James T, Civilian)
3. Re: Satellite OPS9328 Launched 1967? (Rocky Jones)
4. Re: Satellite OPS9328 Launched 1967? (Rocky Jones)
5. Re: Satellite OPS9328 Launched 1967? (i8cvs)
6. Re: Considerate satellite operations behavior. (i8cvs)
7. Any Insomniacs? NASA TV 209AM PST (Clint Bradford)
8. Re: Any Insomniacs? NASA TV 209AM PST (Kevin Deane)
9. ND9M/MM Ops - 24Feb11 (Clary, James T, Civilian)
10. Re: Satellite OPS9328 Launched 1967? (Rocky Jones)
11. Re: Satellite OPS9328 Launched 1967? (Rocky Jones)
12. Tayrus-XL SCRUBBED - 24 Hours (Clint Bradford)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 08:42:24 -0500
From: "Bill Gillenwater" <gillie@xx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Considerate satellite operations behavior.
To: "John Geiger" <aa5jg@xxxxxxx.xxx>, "i8cvs"
<domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx>, "Amsat - BBs" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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Just worked a pass of VO-52, only two signals heard calling CQ and I was
calling on CW. Plenty of room for more activity.
73 Bill K3SV
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Geiger" <aa5jg@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "i8cvs" <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx>; "Amsat - BBs" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>;
"Vince Fiscus, KB7ADL" <vlfiscus@xxx.xxx>
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 8:28 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Considerate satellite operations behavior.
> If you don't like the FM satellites, instead of complaining that we need
> more linear satellites (like I have seen suggested), HOW ABOUT USING THE
> ONES WE HAVE?? VO52 is an excellent satellite and it is hardly
> overcrowded,
> at least in the US. Many times there is only one or two stations on it.
>
> 73s John AA5JG
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "i8cvs" <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx>
> To: "Amsat - BBs" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>; "Vince Fiscus, KB7ADL"
> <vlfiscus@xxx.xxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 11:23 PM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Considerate satellite operations behavior.
>
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Vince Fiscus, KB7ADL" <vlfiscus@xxx.xxx>
>> To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
>> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 7:56 PM
>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Considerate satellite operations behavior.
>>
>>> Turn Off all the FM birds. ;-)
>>
>>> No, we told them a dozen times already. Stop building FM crap, and do a
>>> HEO or at least as minimums, LEO's with linear transponders and
>>> Vuala! Problem solved. But no, they are committed to Fox now, which
>>> mean more whining.
>>>
>>> Anyone remember this degree of whining back when there was a HEO?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Hi Vince, KB7ADL
>>
>> To get an idea of the high technical quality QSO's on HEO satellites
>> with not this degree of "whining" like novadays on the FM LEO birds
>> I suggest to read the old AMSAT-BB messages available in the archive
>> beginning from the early 2000 to 2004 when AO40 was alive and well.
>> Here is the address:
>>
>> http://www.amsat.org/amsat/archive/amsat-bb/index.html
>>
>> Pulling for P3-E ! !
>>
>> 73" de
>>
>> i8CVS Domenico
>>
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 02:33:11 -0000
From: "Clary, James T, Civilian" <James.T.Clary.civ@xxx.xxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] ND9M/MM Ops: FO29 & VO52
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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I'm told that AO7 has switched to Mode A, so I'll instead be QRV on FO29
at 23/0255Z (QSX around 435.855) from AM84. Then later on at 23/0619Z,
I'll be on VO52 (QSX 145.905 +/-), also from AM84.
We'll likely cross into the BM grid field tomorrow.
73,
Jim, ND9M / VQ9JC
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 19:47:56 -0600
From: Rocky Jones <orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Satellite OPS9328 Launched 1967?
To: <g7hia@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>, Amsat BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <COL106-W62A095738384BD6F0E5846D6DB0@xxx.xxx>
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John. Initial defense satellite communications system...The first real
communications system that the US military had. YOu can look on the web and
get more information...but there is an amateur radio connection. The theory
of the satellite constellation was that the satellites were dispersed about
every 20 or so degrees in a "almost 24 hour" orbit which meant that they
drifted across the sky, but slowly. This allowed multiple users by folks
using different satellites and if one failed another was available.
They were TRW satellites and the TRW amateur radio club got permission to
launch a ham sat (Oscar IV) with one "batch" of satellites. Had IV got into
the correct orbit it too would have "drifted" across the sky a few degrees
every day. All the satellites were launched on a Titan III (a IIIC if
memory serves) which had what was called "the transtage" which did the final
orbit insertion and then deployed the satellites...in the case of IV the
transtage failed and IV and a bunch of IDSCS's birds (and another test
satellite) were left in an orbit that was highly elliptical and short lived.
IV kind of looked like the IDSCS.
Its great satellite history...the IDSCS satellites had a 7 year kill timer (
a chemical timer) but at least 6 of the kill timers had not worked.
Robert G. Oler WB5MZO 5Nsomething and ARRL/AMSAT NARS member
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 22:58:42 +0000
> From: g7hia@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx
> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite OPS9328 Launched 1967?
>
> Just been looking at the tracking site http://www.n2yo.com/satellites
> Some great stuff on this site and thanks for posting the URL to the bb.
>
> At the bottom of the amateur radio satellite page there is a listing for
OPS9328
> (IDSCS 15)
>
> Were they ham satellites, I don't recal reading about them.
> Is this just a simple mistake in the listing?
>
> 73 john g7hia.
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 21:16:25 -0600
From: Rocky Jones <orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Satellite OPS9328 Launched 1967?
To: <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx>, <g7hia@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>, Amsat BB
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <COL106-W3618B6F2007185DBA29615D6DB0@xxx.xxx>
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>
> By the way it is possible that the downlink frequency was very close
> to the 2 meters band but I was not able to find any information about
> the frequency.
>
> 73" de
>
> i8CVS Domenico
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greetings...the transponder downlink is in the EHF range...the telemetry
signals are UHF...Robert WB5MZO life member ARRL/AMSAT NARS
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 06:16:47 +0100
From: "i8cvs" <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Satellite OPS9328 Launched 1967?
To: "Rocky Jones" <orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx>, <g7hia@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>,
"Amsat BB" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <001501cbd318$def89520$0401a8c0@xxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
----- Original Message -----
From: Rocky Jones
To: domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx ; g7hia@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx ; Amsat BB
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 4:16 AM
Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Re: Satellite OPS9328 Launched 1967?
>
> By the way it is possible that the downlink frequency was very close
> to the 2 meters band but I was not able to find any information about
> the frequency.
>
> 73" de
>
> i8CVS Domenico
> _______________________________________________
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greetings...the transponder downlink is in the EHF range...the telemetry
signals are UHF...Robert WB5MZO life member ARRL/AMSAT NARS
Hi Robert, WB5MZO
Tank you for the above information.Before the launch of OSCAR-10 we where
used to make HEO traking exercise receiving the beacon of SRET-2 a france
HEO satellite in Molniya orbit. At that time 5 years after the launch the
beacon of SRET-2 was only a steady carrier transmitting very close to 146 MHz
http://www.tbs-satellite.com/tse/online/sat_sret_2.html
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 06:16:54 +0100
From: "i8cvs" <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Considerate satellite operations behavior.
To: "John Geiger" <aa5jg@xxxxxxx.xxx>, "Amsat - BBs"
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>, "Vince Fiscus, KB7ADL" <vlfiscus@xxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <001a01cbd318$e3294680$0401a8c0@xxxxxx>
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Hi John, AA5JG
You missed the point my friend because many of us extensively uses the
linear satellites like VO-52 ,FO-29 and OSCAR-7
By the way they are LEO satellites but the serious satellite community need
and pull for almost one HEO satellite to communicate for hours with
amateurs in all continents like we did before years ago using OSCAR-10
OSCAR-13 and AO10 wich performance you cannot imagine and that you
probably never tested before.
I suggest you to read the old AMSAT-BB messages available in the AMSAT
archive beginning from the early 2000 to 2004 when AO40 was alive and
well.Here is the address:
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/archive/amsat-bb/index.html
Many of us remember AO-10, AO-13, and AO-40 and we missed those
days.
In addition many of those old satellite users and microwave experimenters
are now disappointed and abandoned both AMSAT and the satellite activity.
No projects for HEO satellites in the future ? No brilliant prospects for
the Amateur Satellite Service if AMSAT-DL will be not able to find in
short time a launch opportunity for P3-E !
73" de
i8CVS DomeniHOW ABOUT USING THE
> ONES WE HAVE?? VO52 is an excellent satellite and it is hardly
> overcrowded, at least in the US. Many times there is only one or two
> stations on it.
>
> 73s John AA5JG
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "i8cvs" <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx>
> To: "Amsat - BBs" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>; "Vince Fiscus, KB7ADL"
> <vlfiscus@xxx.xxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 11:23 PM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Considerate satellite operations behavior.
>
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Vince Fiscus, KB7ADL" <vlfiscus@xxx.xxx>
> > To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> > Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 7:56 PM
> > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Considerate satellite operations behavior.
> >
> >> Turn Off all the FM birds. ;-)
> >
> >> No, we told them a dozen times already. Stop building FM crap, and do
a
> >> HEO or at least as minimums, LEO's with linear transponders and
> >> Vuala! Problem solved. But no, they are committed to Fox now, which
> >> mean more whining.
> >>
> >> Anyone remember this degree of whining back when there was a HEO?
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Hi Vince, KB7ADL
> >
> > To get an idea of the high technical quality QSO's on HEO satellites
> > with not this degree of "whining" like novadays on the FM LEO birds
> > I suggest to read the old AMSAT-BB messages available in the archive
> > beginning from the early 2000 to 2004 when AO40 was alive and well.
> > Here is the address:
> >
> > http://www.amsat.org/amsat/archive/amsat-bb/index.html
> >
> > Pulling for P3-E ! !
> >
> > 73" de
> >
> > i8CVS Domenico
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
program!
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>
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 21:26:58 -0800
From: Clint Bradford <clintbradford@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Any Insomniacs? NASA TV 209AM PST
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <8B756ADF-6A3B-46C7-8B56-F64E528381A1@xxx.xxx>
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Anyone else going to watch the Taurus XL launch from Vandenberg at 2:09 a.m.
PST Wednesday?
The launch vehicle will place the NASA spacecraft Glory into polar orbit and
a secondary payload carrying educational small satellites for California
Polytechnic State University. As well as the KySat-1 CubeSat.
EchoLink AMSAT conference, perhaps? Anywhere else we might be able to meet?
Clint, K6LCS
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 23:26:29 -0800
From: Kevin Deane <summit496@xxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Any Insomniacs? NASA TV 209AM PST
To: <clintbradford@xxx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <COL107-W206re else we might be able to meet?
>
> Clint, K6LCS
>
>
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 07:42:01 -0000
From: "Clary, James T, Civilian" <James.T.Clary.civ@xxx.xxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] ND9M/MM Ops - 24Feb11
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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I should be QRV on the following passes tomorrow:
AO7 - 24/0338Z (if in Mode B)
AO51 - 24/0438Z (for JA)
VO52 - 24/0504Z (very low elevation for me)
SO50 - 24/0652Z
I'll try to be on as many of the following passes as possible, but pse
note that these occur during my work hours; sometimes I can easily get
away, sometimes I can't.
VO52 - 23/1810Z
AO27 - 23/2304Z
AO51 - 24/0114Z
FO29 - 24/0159Z
So far, I've had a lot of success with all satellites except SO50 which
is hard for me to turn on. But I'll keep trying.
We will cross into AM94 during the overnight hours, and hopefully I'll
still be in that grid for the morning passes, assuming of course that I
can get on at all. For the afternoon passes, I expect that we'll be in
BM04 and maybe even get into BM14 by the end of the above list of
passes.
73,
Jim, ND9M / VQ9JC
Grid AM84
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 00:00:15 -0600
From: Rocky Jones <orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Satellite OPS9328 Launched 1967?
To: <w3hf@xxxx.xxx>, <g7hia@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>, Amsat BB
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <COL106-W62DF39DDFE0353AE6E9C6ED6DB0@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Steve. thank you for your gentle corrections and you are "right". Should
have remembered that better
Robert G. Oler WB5MZO
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 23:19:45 -0600
From: melachri@xxxxxxx.xxx
To: orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxxx g7hia@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: Re: Satellite OPS9328 Launched 1967?
Two corrections: 1. The satellites were actually built by Philco-Ford,
which later became Ford Aerospace, and is now Space Systems/Loral.(TRW built
the DSCS-2 series of satellites.) 2. Oscar IV was not launched with IDCSP.
Oscar IV went up in December 1965, piggybacking on the booster that launched
OV2-03, LES-3, and LES-4. The first IDCSP launch was not until June 1966.
Steve MelachrinosW3HF On 02/22/11, Rocky Jones<orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
John. Initial defense satellite communications system...The first real
communications system that tt-bb
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 00:01:35 -0600
From: Rocky Jones <orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Satellite OPS9328 Launched 1967?
To: <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx>, <g7hia@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>, Amsat BB
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <COL106-W56B6155964EABA8D90D9FED6DB0@xxx.xxx>
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It would be nice to have an Oscar IV or an Arsene working! Robert Oler WB5MZO
From: domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx
To: orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxxx g7hia@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: Satellite OPS9328 Launched 1967?
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 06:16:47 +0100
----- Original Message -----
From:
Rocky
Jones
To: domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx ; g7hia@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx ; Amsat BB
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 4:16
AM
Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Re: Satellite
OPS9328 Launched 1967?
>
> By the way it is possible that the downlink frequency was
very close
> to the 2 meters band but I was not able to find any
information about
> the frequency.
>
> 73" de
>
> i8CVS Domenico
>
_______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed
are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support
the amateur satellite program!
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greetings...the
transponder downlink is in the EHF range...the telemetry signals are
UHF...Robert WB5MZO life member ARRL/AMSAT NARS
Hi Robert, WB5MZO
Tank you for the above information.Before the launch of
OSCAR-10 we where used to make HEO traking exercise receiving the beacon
of SRET-2 a france HEO satellite in Molniya
orbit. At that time 5 years after the launch the beacon of SRET-2 was only a
steady carrier transmitting very close to 146 MHz
http://www.tbs-satellite.com/tse/online/sat_sret_2.html
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 02:19:52 -0800
From: Clint Bradford <clintbradford@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Tayrus-XL SCRUBBED - 24 Hours
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <6C0F9B82-A31F-4378-85A8-EE17E3FBC702@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII
At about T MINUS 8 minutes to launch, NASA discovered they were not able to
"see" a feedline/commandline to be able to shut things down in the final
five minutes of countdown, so mission scrubbed for this morning, and,
hopefully, will blast off tomorrow morning.
Clint
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