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Today's Topics:
1. Re: SSB (Dee)
2. Re: SSB (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
3. Re: SSB (Dee)
4. Re: FM birds (i8cvs)
5. ""you may as well use Skype..." (Luc Leblanc)
6. Re: FM birds (Bruce Robertson)
7. Re: FM birds (John Geiger)
8. Re: Kenwood TH-F6a (Clint Bradford)
9. SO-67 Schedule (John Papay)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2011 10:31:33 -0500
From: Dee <morsesat@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: SSB
To: "'Kevin Deane'" <summit496@xxxx.xxx>, amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Why not go to the AMSAT website and read all about what is on the bird-FM as
well as SSB. I've said this many times, The AMSAT people always puts enough
information on the site to do just about anything on satellites... Look
there for info that has taken many hours of volunteer time to assemble for
YOUR use....
73,
Dee, NB2F
-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Kevin Deane
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 10:54 PM
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] SSB
ARRISat
Its too bad this is a SSB sat. I suppose it will be great for
those who have SSB capability, less traffic and all. I guess I have to spend
more money.....
Sigh
Kevin
KF7MYK
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 08:50:55 -0700
From: "Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)" <amsat-bb@xxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: SSB
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Kevin,
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ARRISat
>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Its too bad this is a SSB sat. I suppose it will be great for
those who
> have SSB capability, less traffic and all. I guess I have to spend more
money.....
But it won't take a lot of money, at least to get started with SSB via
satellite.
I'm working SSB with two FT-817NDs, or occasionally substituting a TH-F6A
in place of the second FT-817ND. That HT has an all-mode receiver that is
OK for SSB satellite work. Yes, additional money - but not huge sums. Both
the FT-817 (all variants) and the TH-F6A (TH-F7, outside the Americas) have
been on the market for around 10 years, and can be found on the used market
as well as the radio stores. And I've not even started to mention
older satellite-
ready transceivers or other all-mode transceivers that could be pressed into
service like the IC-706 series, FT-857, etc.
If you have a setup like those mentioned above, you can always use that on
the FM birds as well. I've worked those satellites with two radios - and no
computer control - for over 2 years now. Not as many QSOs in SSB as on
the FM satellites, but just as fun. I've posted some videos of working SSB
satellites (VO-52, FO-29, AO-7) at:
http://www.youtube.com/va7ewk
if you'd like to see my setup.
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2011 10:57:14 -0500
From: Dee <morsesat@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: SSB
To: "'Dee'" <morsesat@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, "'Kevin Deane'"
<summit496@xxxx.xxx>, amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Follow up --FM downlink Only... This will be filled with Greetings and
SSTV as well... Should be fun for all!
Dee
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Dee
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 10:32 AM
To: 'Kevin Deane'; amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: SSB
Why not go to the AMSAT website and read all about what is on the bird-FM as
well as SSB. I've said this many times, The AMSAT people always puts enough
information on the site to do just about anything on satellites... Look
there for info that has taken many hours of volunteer time to assemble for
YOUR use....
73,
Dee, NB2F
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Kevin Deane
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 10:54 PM
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] SSB
ARRISat
Its too bad this is a SSB sat. I suppose it will be great for
those who have SSB capability, less traffic and all. I guess I have to spend
more money.....
Sigh
Kevin
KF7MYK
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 17:31:05 +0100
From: "i8cvs" <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FM birds
To: "Joe" <nss@xxx.xxx>, "Amsat - BBs" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe" <nss@xxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 7:25 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FM birds
> I agree,
>
> With the money spent on all those birds, and launch costs, they by now
> could have made at least one nice linear transponder bird.
>
> I'd love to see an old 2 meter up 10 meter down bird again!
>
> The Original Rolling Ball Clock
> Idle Tyme
> Idle-Tyme.com
> http://www.idle-tyme.com
Hi Joe,
I agree with you.
Yes.... a lot of money spent on all those FM birds for very small in
satellite communications with a lot of QRM !
I like OSCAR-7, VO-52 , and FO-29 and I hope and pull for P3-E
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2011 04:10:12 -0500
From: Luc Leblanc <lucleblanc6@xxxxxxxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] ""you may as well use Skype..."
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Cc: eu-amsat@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx
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On 3 Feb 2011 at 7:53, Gordon JC Pearce wrote:
Date sent: Thu, 03 Feb 2011 07:53:56 +0000
From: Gordon JC Pearce <gordonjcp@xxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: TH-F6A tip request
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> I wonder if they're the
> same crowd that only ever use macros on PSK31 - "YOUR RST 599 599 HOW
> COPY? MNY THX FER QSO" - you may as well use Skype...
>
> Gordon MM0YEQ
>
"you may as well use Skype..."
You can add also MSN chat, Twitter, Face Book all are related to the
internet and many Hams leave amateur radio and they are now on the
internet.
On a LEO sat with a 10 minute window you are normally restrain to this kind
of exchange and also here you can add "MY GRID IS XX##ZZ PLEASE
GIVE ME YOUR GRID" On some occasion you can have a less crowded pass usually
the very early one 0300 to 0600 am but there is a catch 22
here you are often alone on the birds with the exception of those who are
living on the north eastern coast of North America who can reach
europe or those who can use AO-7
There is here a GRID frenzy with not some DXpedition but Girdexpedition. A
new trend who was not there in the AO-40 era as the demand was
not there at that time.
The focus put on KISS station in a way to recruit new satellite operator is
not bad if this new operator goes beyond his KISS station IMHO.
What is the motivation for some to operate on LEO satellite? The "exotic"
mode and bands? The pleasure to achieve an OSCAR class station?
There is one thing the internet cannot provided "exoticism" be able to feel
something and being able to have a direct relation with
something we build and something we can directly use and watch performing at
the same time.
There is new modes actually growing DSTAR, DRM, DIGITAL VOICE (FDMDV) is
this can be an alternative to those who wants something else? or
will we be facing with this alternative, overcrowded single channel
satellite pass? Where is the place for experimenting on the actual LEO
fleet? Our licence was not created for "experimenting"?
Gordon your "you may as well use Skype..." take now a new sense not a non
sense!
P.S. i'm on skype and DSATR on VE2FCT repeater and on reflector REF016 B
when the repeater is "busy" i just make a mobile QSO last Sunday
with Gerard PA1AT with a 599 Q5 signal on DSTAR If communicating is the goal
there is a way to mixed internet with the radio Is this is
possible on the satellite YES on AO-27 and possibly on some other sat
commanding team wise...
"-"
Luc Leblanc VE2DWE
Skype VE2DWE
www.qsl.net/ve2dwe
DSTAR urcall VE2DWE
WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 13:06:02 -0400
From: Bruce Robertson <ve9qrp@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FM birds
To: i8cvs <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx>
Cc: Joe <nss@xxx.xxx>, Amsat - BBs <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 12:31 PM, i8cvs <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx> wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe" <nss@xxx.xxx>
> To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 7:25 PM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FM birds
>
>> I agree,
>>
>> With the money spent on all those birds, and launch costs, ?they by now
>> could have made at least one nice linear transponder bird.
>>
>> I'd love to see an old 2 meter up 10 meter down bird again!
>>
>> The Original Rolling Ball Clock
>> Idle Tyme
>> Idle-Tyme.com
>> http://www.idle-tyme.com
>
> Hi Joe,
>
> I agree with you.
>
> Yes.... a lot of money spent on all those FM birds for very small in
> satellite communications with a lot of QRM !
Dom --
I'm fond of linear transponder birds, too, and nobody likes hearing
bad operating habits, either on a linear or FM bird. However, I think
the comments above misunderstand the process by which satellites are
funded and constructed. Would you begrudge the builders of SO-67 the
opportunity to take part in their government's initiative? If you were
able to, there's still no reason to believe that the funds and efforts
expended to produce that bird could be pooled with other national
groups'.
> I like OSCAR-7, VO-52 , and FO-29 and I hope and pull for P3-E
The first three of these were built by a national group that
considered its own interests and opportunities, just as the groups
today that have recently built FM birds. Of course, there are others
that are making linear birds. Let's not forget that one such has been
delivered to the ISS and will be hand-launched for us.
For all that, it should be said that the the difficulty of 'getting
into' AO-51, for example, indicates that it is a constantly popular
mode of satellite operation. Given that we are struggling to expand
our ranks, I feel compelled to say that my abiding interest in
satellite communications was kindled by AO-51. For me, and I suspect
many who are worried about being branded glorified CB'ers, the FM
birds provided a lower-expense means of entering what I consider the
most interesting aspect of ham radio today.
>
> 73" de
>
> i8CVS Domenico
73, Bruce VE9QRP
--
http://ve9qrp.blogspot.com
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 11:47:28 -0600
From: John Geiger <aa5jg@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FM birds
To: Bruce Robertson <ve9qrp@xxxxx.xxx>, AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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Bruce makes a very good point about the popularity of the FM birds. Many
hams already have the equipment to get on the FM satellites but may not
realize it. This is where a club presentation can be very useful in making
them aware of this fact. Once they try out the FM sats and get hooked, then
they can invest in the equipment for the linear sats. Very few people are
going to drop the funds necessary for getting into SSB/CW sats without
trying out the sats first.
Another group to target is the VHF/UHF weak signal crowd. Many of them have
the necessary equipment to get on AO7, FO29, and VO52, but might not know
it, or know how to proceed. These birds will give them a chance to use
their multimode rigs between band openings.
73s John AA5JG
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Bruce Robertson <ve9qrp@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 12:31 PM, i8cvs <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx> wrote:
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Joe" <nss@xxx.xxx>
> > To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 7:25 PM
> > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FM birds
> >
> >> I agree,
> >>
> >> With the money spent on all those birds, and launch costs, they by now
> >> could have made at least one nice linear transponder bird.
> >>
> >> I'd love to see an old 2 meter up 10 meter down bird again!
> >>
> >> The Original Rolling Ball Clock
> >> Idle Tyme
> >> Idle-Tyme.com
> >> http://www.idle-tyme.com
> >
> > Hi Joe,
> >
> > I agree with you.
> >
> > Yes.... a lot of money spent on all those FM birds for very small in
> > satellite communications with a lot of QRM !
>
> Dom --
>
> I'm fond of linear transponder birds, too, and nobody likes hearing
> bad operating habits, either on a linear or FM bird. However, I think
> the comments above misunderstand the process by which satellites are
> funded and constructed. Would you begrudge the builders of SO-67 the
> opportunity to take part in their government's initiative? If you were
> able to, there's still no reason to believe that the funds and efforts
> expended to produce that bird could be pooled with other national
> groups'.
>
> > I like OSCAR-7, VO-52 , and FO-29 and I hope and pull for P3-E
>
> The first three of these were built by a national group that
> considered its own interests and opportunities, just as the groups
> today that have recently built FM birds. Of course, there are others
> that are making linear birds. Let's not forget that one such has been
> delivered to the ISS and will be hand-launched for us.
>
> For all that, it should be said that the the difficulty of 'getting
> into' AO-51, for example, indicates that it is a constantly popular
> mode of satellite operation. Given that we are struggling to expand
> our ranks, I feel compelled to say that my abiding interest in
> satellite communications was kindled by AO-51. For me, and I suspect
> many who are worried about being branded glorified CB'ers, the FM
> birds provided a lower-expense means of entering what I consider the
> most interesting aspect of ham radio today.
>
> >
> > 73" de
> >
> > i8CVS Domenico
>
> 73, Bruce VE9QRP
> --
> http://ve9qrp.blogspot.com
>
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2011 09:52:23 -0800
From: Clint Bradford <clintbradford@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Kenwood TH-F6a
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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>> ... I got a surprise gift of a Kenwood TH-F6A ...
Put that person on your Christmas card list - what a great gift!
>> ... any tips to share ...
Just program it for TX on Band A and RX on Band B. Use the A/B switch to go
to Band B to accommodate Doppler, then switch back to Band A to transmit.
>> ... I've read through the eham reviews ...
I always take eHam reviews with a grain of salt. MANY of the "negative"
point made are from folks who cannot read an instruction manual. But the
TH-F6a is a great HT.
>> ... speaker/mics and headsets ...
Some will recommend the Wouxun models. Their heavy-duty mic (probably made
by JDI in China) is decent. The "standard" accessories are, well, you get
what you pay for in the world of audio accessories.
Of Kenwood's offerings, I always thought the SMC-32 was over-priced for what
it was. And some love the SMC-34 with its built-in volume control. That, to
me, is just a "feature" waiting to fail (dust or debris). But I have heard
very few actual problems with the SMC-34.
When working for Pryme, we had the SPM-901 - a good, beefy handheld mic. If
you can find one of those discontinued models for $35 or so, it's a good
speaker-mic. Pryme has replaced it with their SPM-2101 - for about $60. Both
of these have a 3.5mm jack for an earpiece.
>> ... quality of after-market programming cables ...
I shy away from Chinese "bargains" on eBay. The PG-4Y from Kenwood is less
than $40. Software is FREE from Kenwood's Web site. If it makes you feel any
better, the last software and cable I bought from Motorola was over $250.
So, to me, forty bucks for a programming cable is a steal.
IN THE MEANTIME, I digested the 64-page manual to ONE PAGE for you - find
the Cheat Sheet on the DOCS page of my Web site - http://www.k6lcs.com
>> ... and want to record passes while listening or operating ...
Think of keeping it simple: a little pocket recorder in your shirt pocket,
or most smartphones have an audio recording app. You do not necessarily have
to "hard-wire" your audio input to get good results.
When running off its battery, the output power levels are 5.0W, 0.5W, and
0.05W. But if you run it off of a 12VDC source, you have 5W, 2.0W, and 0.5W.
With an improved antenna, you can certainly turn it down to the 2W setting -
IF running off of 12VDC.
Enjoy that little radio!
Clint, K6LCS
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2011 14:56:20 -0500
From: John Papay <john@xxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] SO-67 Schedule
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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The SO-67 for North America has been updated
to show passes through 6Feb2011 at 1655z on
their website:
http://www.amsatsa.org.za/
73,
John K8YSE
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