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Today's Topics:
1. Re: GO-32 (Mike Rupprecht)
2. SAT Protocol (wa4hfn@xxxxxxx.xxxx
3. Re: Sat protocol (Vince Fiscus, KB7ADL)
4. Re: SASI Satellite Tracker Software (Vince Fiscus, KB7ADL)
5. Re: Ao51 Protocol ? (Mark L. Hammond)
6. Re: SAT Protocol (Greg Dober)
7. Mode-S uplinks (Edward R. Cole)
8. Re: Sat protocol (Joe)
9. Re: Mode-S uplinks (Andrew Glasbrenner)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 18:22:55 +0100
From: "Mike Rupprecht" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: GO-32
To: "'jerry'" <jkboxk@xxxxxxxx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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Hi Jerry,
as expected, GO-32 has fallen into Emergency Mode. You will hear now the 1k2
PSK beacon.
73, Mike
DK3WN
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Auftrag von jerry
Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. Januar 2011 05:10
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Betreff: [amsat-bb] GO-32
Thanks Mike ( DK3WN )
Recieved this this afternoon . I think I can safetly say it is GO-32 . Guess
I need the software to decode it when it comes over .My station is not much
, surprised I get this much . I use UISS set at 9600bps to capture the
signal .
Thanks again .
Jerry WB5LHD
GO-32-------01/10/2011
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 17:51:29 +0000 (UTC)
From: wa4hfn@xxxxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] SAT Protocol
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WHY NOT TELL THE BAD OPERATOR? WHAT THEY ARE DOING WRONG
?MEMTOR THEM?, TEACH THEM HOW TO OPERATE.?? EVERYONE IS RUNNING AROUND THE
PROBLEM. ?TELLEM HOW TO ........
The 1000 and 5000 contact thing is a big part of the problem. Maybe the
AMSAT floks need to address it first ! I have made calls to stations that I
needed for a new grid contact only to hear someone jump on and call someone
for another? THANKS FOR THE CONTACT. That sucks and is a problem. We can
work SSB birds and should but the FM birds is where we need to clean up. Its
our job to tell the bad op, so lets start telling them
?
PLEASE no more comments on the subject TAKE ACTION??? send them an email or
send them a note in the mail and be nice about it.
WA4HFN
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 11:02:32 -0700
From: "Vince Fiscus, KB7ADL" <vlfiscus@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Sat protocol
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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At 12:42 PM 1/10/2011 -0800, w6zkh@xxx.xxx wrote:
>Problem is Damon, is that some of the worse offenders are guys who've been
>around ever since I have been. Everyone out to get that elusive Grid Square
>that they've worked a zillion times before. I too did the same as you, and
>pretty much void the FM'er anymore, unless something special comes up.
>
>For another 2 cents worth: (I know I'll get flamed) If there is some station
>announcing here on the BB that they are going to a special grid location
>that is
>rare or needed by someone, then give them and others a break. Namely, if
>he or
>even any other station that is working Portable or HT status, work him, then
>QRT, and leave the freq for others. 'Hogging' the channel, working or
>calling
>the same old station you've worked a zillion times before and not letting
>others
>work the Portable/HT stations, just to satisfy your QSO count for more
>wallpaper
>just doesnt hack it, in my opinion. end of rant & extinguisher in
>hand.............
>
>John
You won't get flamed by everyone, I'll join ya in the fire.
How many times do they actually have to work the SAME grid before
it finally counts? LOL
I don't join in but I listen. It's kind of like listening to CB.
KB7ADL
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 11:03:41 -0700
From: "Vince Fiscus, KB7ADL" <vlfiscus@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: SASI Satellite Tracker Software
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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At 04:48 PM 1/10/2011 -0500, wb2llp@xxxxxxxxx.xxx wrote:
>Vince,
>
>Is there further information, and possibily the code available for SASI?
>Now we have to resurrect FODTRACK.
>
>73 de WB2LLP
All I know is IntantTrack worked with the Kansas city Tracker and the TSR
for SASI uses that to communicate, but through the parallel port. Someone
here must know the KC tracker protocol. Not sure about how the TSR
communicates with the SASI hardware, and I've never looked inside
it. Probably a couple of memory locations to store the AZ & EL locations
from an A to D converter, and some way to send commands to control left
right up & down.
KB7ADL
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 13:48:40 -0500
From: "Mark L. Hammond" <marklhammond@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Ao51 Protocol ?
To: jmfranke <jmfranke@xxx.xxx>, Amsat-bb <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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Running S-band is very difficult to do when AO-51 is seeing eclipses;
the S-band transmitter is not controlled by the transmitter power
management software like the U-band transmitters! It is a much more
manual and labor intensive mode to run in.
Friends, one of the reasons some of this has surfaced recently is
because we are running almost 1.5 watts out of AO-51 right now. It
makes it easy to hear. The result of that is multiplex--more people
hear it, so more people try to transmit to it; people that couldn't
hear the bird at 500mW can now copy it, and try to work it. But isn't
that what we want? To grow our satellite user base?
If we want to reduce the number of users on the bird, we could always
change to some unpublished PL tone, or just turn the uplinks off.
<with tongue in cheek and rolling eyes>. We need to learn to embrace
the popularity, and set good operating examples every time we work a
bird.
My hope is that given a bit of time at 1.5W, things will settle down.
We do need to welcome new users...there is NOTHING like your first
satellite contact!!! Remember that, and try to be somebody's "first."
Mark N8MH
On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 11:34 AM, jmfranke <jmfranke@xxx.xxx> wrote:
> Another part of the solution would be to operate AO-51 in V/S or L/S more
> often.
>
> John ?WA4WDL
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "WILLIAMS MICHAEL" <k9qho6762@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 11:14 AM
> To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Ao51 Protocol ?
>
>> Domenico, I8CVS said:
>>
>> "To solve the above problem the only way is to use satellites with linear
>> transponder like VO-52. OSCAR-7 and FO-29 with several QSO on CW
>> and SSB at the same time without QRM in the same passband."
>>
>> -------------------------
>>
>> These multiple QSOs at the same time can also be full duplex.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Mike Williams, K9QHO
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 14:05:30 -0500
From: "Greg Dober" <almetco@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: SAT Protocol
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Why couldn't AMSAT conduct some type of OO program? The offending operators
get a courtesy post card. AO-51 is a nightmare. Sometimes you hear the same
ops on each pass calling one another. If you want a decent qso, go on AO-7
etc and free up some AO-51 downlinks.
73
Greg
N3MVF
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Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 12:51 PM
To: AMSAT
Subject: [amsat-bb] SAT Protocol
WHY NOT TELL THE BAD OPERATOR WHAT THEY ARE DOING WRONG
MEMTOR THEM , TEACH THEM HOW TO OPERATE. EVERYONE IS RUNNING AROUND THE
PROBLEM. TELLEM HOW TO ........
The 1000 and 5000 contact thing is a big part of the problem. Maybe the
AMSAT floks need to address it first ! I have made calls to stations that I
needed for a new grid contact only to hear someone jump on and call someone
for another THANKS FOR THE CONTACT. That sucks and is a problem. We can
work SSB birds and should but the FM birds is where we need to clean up. Its
our job to tell the bad op, so lets start telling them
PLEASE no more comments on the subject TAKE ACTION send them an email or
send them a note in the mail and be nice about it.
WA4HFN
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 10:12:12 -0900
From: "Edward R. Cole" <kl7uw@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Mode-S uplinks
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Cc: marklhammond@xxxxx.xxx
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In the process of re-building my wind-damaged satellite antenna array
and got thinking about the mode-S sats.
I will be installing a 8dBic (RHCP) patch antenna (bought from L-Com)
and have two different Drake downconverters to chose from depending
on what the uplink band is. I am guessing that AO-51 is the only
S-band sat available, currently. I have 435 and 123 MHz IF's for
S-band converters depending on whether the uplink is VHF or UHF, respectively.
So the question is whether mode-US or mode-VS is the norm on
AO-51. I can install both downconverters with a coax switch and run
two IF coax lines, but it would be simpler to have only
one. Especially, since installation is at a current +3F temperature.
I am installing a downsized array from what I had up: susa@xxxxxxx.xxx
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*temp not in service
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 14:36:02 -0500
From: Joe <jbarkley@xxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Sat protocol
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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I am new to the satellite world as of 3 years ago. I have read all the
posts on the
thread/s and I am wondering if there is a ACTUAL satellite protocol or
etiquette
that could be referenced.
I just the common courtesy I have learn over the years of working the bands
Or at least I hope I do. If I am offending please let me know as I will
others.
I try and get on the early passes on the FM birds when it is not so crowded
and can a 2 or 3 sentence conversation with guys I have worked before and
guys I have not. It is much easier on the linear birds to do that at
most any pass.
Just my 2 nickles worth but it would be nice to refer someone to a
"protocol"
when you feel they are not operating in a manner befitting the hobby rather
than them just thinking you should mind your own business and butt out..
73,
Joe
KI4TZ
Vince Fiscus, KB7ADL wrote:
> At 12:42 PM 1/10/2011 -0800, w6zkh@xxx.xxx wrote:
>
>> Problem is Damon, is that some of the worse offenders are guys who've been
>> around ever since I have been. Everyone out to get that elusive Grid
Square
>> that they've worked a zillion times before. I too did the same as you, and
>> pretty much void the FM'er anymore, unless something special comes up.
>>
>> For another 2 cents worth: (I know I'll get flamed) If there is some
station
>> announcing here on the BB that they are going to a special grid location
>> that is
>> rare or needed by someone, then give them and others a break. Namely, if
>> he or
>> even any other station that is working Portable or HT status, work him,
then
>> QRT, and leave the freq for others. 'Hogging' the channel, working or
>> calling
>> the same old station you've worked a zillion times before and not letting
>> others
>> work the Portable/HT stations, just to satisfy your QSO count for more
>> wallpaper
>> just doesnt hack it, in my opinion. end of rant & extinguisher in
>> hand.............
>>
>> John
>>
>
>
> You won't get flamed by everyone, I'll join ya in the fire.
>
> How many times do they actually have to work the SAME grid before
> it finally counts? LOL
>
> I don't join in but I listen. It's kind of like listening to CB.
>
> KB7ADL
>
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>
----------------------e process of re-building my wind-damaged satellite antenna array
> and got thinking about the mode-S sats.
>
> I will be installing a 8dBic (RHCP) patch antenna (bought from L-Com)
> and have two different Drake downconverters to chose from depending
> on what the uplink band is. I am guessing that AO-51 is the only
> S-band sat available, currently. I have 435 and 123 MHz IF's for
> S-band converters depending on whether the uplink is VHF or UHF,
respectively.
>
> So the question is whether mode-US or mode-VS is the norm on
> AO-51. I can install both downconverters with a coax switch and run
> two IF coax lines, but it would be simpler to have only
> one. Especially, since installation is at a current +3F temperature.
>
> I am installing a downsized array from what I had up: using 2/3 of
> my 436CP42 which I call my "436CP26", a M2-2m7 yagi, and the
> patch. I am not re-installing the 33-inch S-band dish or the 1268
> loop-yagi this winter. The dish was probably what caused the support
> mast to bend over (65mph winds get some credit).
>
>
> 73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45
> ======================================
> BP40IQ 500 KHz - 10-GHz www.kl7uw.com
> EME: 144-1.4kw*, 432-100w*, 1296-testing*, 3400-winter?
> DUBUS Magazine USA Rep dubususa@xxxxxxx.xxx
> ======================================
> *temp not in service
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