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Today's Topics:
1. Re: TM-D710 Satellite programming (Matt Patterson)
2. Re: Hawaii - YES! (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
3. Expanding Radio AMSAT's to include telescope. (Keith Sloan)
4. AO-51 Demo 08/18 0544GMT / 5:44PM PDT (Clint Bradford)
5. Re: Expanding Radio AMSAT's to include telescope. (Joe Fitzgerald)
6. AMSATers are Awesome! (Clint Bradford)
7. Re: Expanding Radio AMSAT's to include telescope. (Luc Leblanc)
8. AO-51 Down (Rick - WA4NVM)
9. Re: AO-51 Down (Dave Webb KB1PVH)
10. AO-51 update 18 August 2010 Re: AO-51 Down (Mark L. Hammond)
11. Re: AO-51 Down (Matt Patterson)
12. Re: AO-51 update 18 August 2010 Re: AO-51 Down (Rick - WA4NVM)
13. looking for information on amplifiers from Watkin-Johnson
(Matthias Bopp)
14. Re: Mini Grid Expeditions CP39-CP28 (John Boudreau)
15. K8YSE EN58 (kladuke1144@xxx.xxxx
16. Hudson Valley Satcom Group Net Thursday Aug.19 At 8 PM EST On
Echolink N2EYH-L (Cotejaune2@xxx.xxxx
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 13:03:41 -0500
From: Matt Patterson <mattpatt@xxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: TM-D710 Satellite programming
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4C6ACEFD.3000305@xxxxxxxx.xxx>
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This isn't going to help you much but I use two seperate radios so I can
have full duplex capability. Plus you don't have to fiddle with
duplexers and all that good stuff.
73 Matt
W5LL
On 8/17/2010 12:31 PM, Kai Gunter Brandt wrote:
> On 08/17/2010 04:50 PM, Reid Crowe wrote:
>
>> I am trying to program some satellite frequencies into my TM-D710.
>> Has anyone had any luck with programming a cross band split into the
>> memory? I was able to do this with my VX-7R and assumed that all radios
>> would support this.
>>
>> If not possible, how do the D710 users in the group operate the birds?
>>
>>
>>
> I'm using both VFOs as in uplink on left side and downlink on right side.
>
> Kai Gunter
> LA3QMA
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 12:06:14 -0700
From: "Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)" <amsat-bb@xxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Hawaii - YES!
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Hi Bob!
> I would like to thank Robert, NH7WN, for my last state for WAS -
> Satellite. We worked at 18:27Z today on HO-68. I would also like to
> thanks all those that emailed me with suggestions for the contact.
Congratulations!
I had been on for a couple of minutes earlier in that pass, so I could
work VE8EV and K8YSE/VE3. I didn't stick around after those two
QSOs since I was on my lunch break, and it was a bit warm here.
Glad you were able to get Robert, especially after seeing NH6VB's
recent post on the -BB.
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 20:24:02 +0100
From: Keith Sloan <keith@xxxxxxxxxx.xx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Expanding Radio AMSAT's to include telescope.
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Is there any reason why a future Amatuer Radio Satellite could not
include a small telescope and CCD imaging.
Would seem to me to be more productive and useful than just exchanging
contact details. After all there are
Weather Satellites.
Thanks Keith Sloan
2E0VBN
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 13:53:49 -0700
From: Clint Bradford <clintbradford@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-51 Demo 08/18 0544GMT / 5:44PM PDT
To: ao51-modes@xxxxx.xxx
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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Hope to work you on AO-51 this afternoon, 5:44PM PDT, from a demo and
presentation to three El Segundo, CA-area clubs!
Clint, K6LCS
http://www.work-sat.com
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 18:27:11 -0400
From: "Joe Fitzgerald" <jfitzgerald@xxxx.xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Expanding Radio AMSAT's to include telescope.
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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> Is there any reason why a future Amatuer Radio Satellite could not
> include a small telescope and CCD imaging.
In principal, no. In practice, how much are you willing to spend?
Perhaps the biggest problem that needs to be solved is how to get the
telescope pointed at the target you want. To my knowledge the best
pointing accuracy we ever achieved in an amateur spacecraft was AO40 at
about 1.5 degrees. And it was spinning, so we only took pictures of
bright things like the Earth where we could get an image with a short
shutter opening. To image stars, you'd probably want 3 axis stabilization
which is a hard problem to solve on an amateur budget. It's not
particularly easy on
ARRISSAT-1 will have a camera aboard, but no pointing ability at all, so
we'll be snapping pictures hoping the earth happens to be in the field of
view in at least some of them. It'll have a nifty Russian instrument
aboard to measure just how "hard" the vacuum is at the upper edge of
Earth's atmosphere. So it's about more than exchanging grid squares (not
that there's anything wrong with that).
-Joe KM1P
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 23:04:48 -0700
From: Clint Bradford <clintbradford@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSATers are Awesome!
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <3928A4FB-AB6E-43F4-8E5E-F2E1459F7A5A@xxx.xxx>
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THANK YOU to you folks who made this evening's demo in El Segundo DM03
nothing short of fantastic for my audience!
Although the temp was 20 degrees cooler in El Segundo than it was in my own
Riverside, our meeting place was a two-story building. So it was best to
leave the assemblage in the shade, while I initiated reception of AO-51. As
I detected quieting, I looked up at the 30+ in the group, and announced -
"Now is the time to start walkin' towards the guy in the Hawaiian shirt and
weird antenna ... "
(grin)
We worked South Dakota ... Lake Tahoe ... a couple of units in the San
Francisco region, northern California ... YOU know who you are. I do not
record these - too geeky even for me (grin 2).
As soon as we finished the pass, we walked into the El Segundo PD's EOC for
my presentation. The room was full of about 35 attendees.
THANKS AGAIN, AMSAT MEMBERS. My physician has told me to watch my blood
pressure ... but I still get excited by all of this.
Clint, K6LCS
http://www.work-sat.com
909-241-7666
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 21:04:01 -0400
From: Luc Leblanc <lucleblanc6@xxxxxxxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Expanding Radio AMSAT's to include telescope.
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4C6AF941.7063.1FAB77B@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xx>
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On 17 Aug 2010 at 20:24, Keith Sloan wrote:
Date sent: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 20:24:02 +0100
From: Keith Sloan <keith@xxxxxxxxxx.xx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Expanding Radio AMSAT's to include telescope.
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Is there any reason why a future Amatuer Radio Satellite could not
> include a small telescope and CCD imaging.
> Would seem to me to be more productive and useful than just exchanging
> contact details. After all there are
> Weather Satellites.
>
Satellite spin and thumbling for some with a 10 minutes effective pass
make's pictures collecting in real time hard to download at 1200 and
even at 9600 bauds.
ISS was sending SSTV pictures at a rate of 3 or 4 per pass and it was still
pictures with a very good quality no spinning or thumbling and
camera was always pointed at the same point as iss is stabilized on 3 axis
An HEO or MEO satelite will be more suitable for this task but the next HEO
launch seems not to be for tomorrow.
"-"
Luc Leblanc VE2DWE
Skype VE2DWE
www.qsl.net/ve2dwe
DSTAR urcall VE2DWE
WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE
Message sent at 0104Z August 18 2010
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 07:19:55 -0500
From: "Rick - WA4NVM" <wa4nvm@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-51 Down
To: "AMSAT BB" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <F87C7EC6323449A0B91EE456E2B602A7@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
GM All,
I haven't seen any post about AO-51 shutting down during it's last pass. We
all hope
it's a fast fix. Good luck to the control team.
73 all,
Rick WA4NVM
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 08:51:43 -0400
From: Dave Webb KB1PVH <kb1pvh@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 Down
To: Rick - WA4NVM <wa4nvm@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID:
<AANLkTim1dWaqjMYiv+vwkHonLzJfAXgijo_6OWxupNg2@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
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I did lose it on the 09:34 UTC pass this morning, just thought the cable for
the Elk finally failed.
Dave - KB1PVH
Sent from my Verizon Wireless DROID
On Aug 18, 2010 8:33 AM, "Rick - WA4NVM" <wa4nvm@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
GM All,
I haven't seen any post about AO-51 shutting down during it's last pass. We
all hope
it's a fast fix. Good luck to the control team.
73 all,
Rick WA4NVM
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 09:03:56 -0400
From: "Mark L. Hammond" <marklhammond@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-51 update 18 August 2010 Re: AO-51 Down
To: Rick - WA4NVM <wa4nvm@xxxxxxx.xxx>, AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: ao51-modes@xxxxx.xxx
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Rick,
Thanks for your note--it's not really down. Please refer to:
http://oscar.dcarr.org/
I had intended to do a more complete update later, but here's the quick
version.
1) AO-51 is still in eclipses for the next 4-5 days. Soon we'll be
back in 100% sun (until the end of December.) That means within the
next several days we should be able to keep AO-51 transmitting all the
time. In fact, we'll need to in order to keep temperatures down!
2) In recent days I've had to resort to shutting down the voice
repeater in order to grab some telemetry files from the bird. This is
very important as we are nearing the end of the eclipse period and we
want some good data for current use and for future reference. We
keep the voice repeater shutdowns to a minimum and try to do it during
the AM passes over the eastern US. But they are necessary at this
time. Sorry for any inconvenience.
3) Currently AO-51 has been automatically turning itself OFF and back
ON because of the power budget. You'll see this more often as it
first comes out of eclipse and as it begins to enter eclipse. We
continue to fine tune this, but our goal is to keep it transmitting
when there is enough power--without having the bird shutdown until
manually commanded back ON by one of the command team members.
4) Come January, we won't see much of a break from the eclipse periods
for a long, long time (there is one short window of full sun, but it's
about 2 weeks long in late Feb/early March 2011). The command team
has been using the recent eclipse period to learn how to become more
efficient in the use of the power management code on board. This
allows us to get the most "bang for the buck" out of the available
power. It's pretty complex and versatile. We've learned a
tremendous amount this eclipse period, but still have more to learn in
the future. And there will be a future for AO-51 :)
I hope that helps to reassure you...that is my goal!
73,
Mark N8MH
AO-51 Command Team member
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:19 AM, Rick - WA4NVM <wa4nvm@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> GM All,
>
> I haven't seen any post about AO-51 shutting down during it's last pass.
?We all hope
> it's a fast fix. ?Good luck to the control team.
>
> 73 all,
>
> Rick WA4NVM
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--
Mark L. Hammond [N8MH]
------------------------------
Message: 11
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 08:08:57 -0500
From: Matt Patterson <mattpatt@xxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 Down
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4C6BDB69.9060504@xxxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
It was having intermittent problems last night. At first I thought it
was a cable issue on my end.
73 Matt
W5LL
On 8/18/2010 7:51 AM, Dave Webb KB1PVH wrote:
> I did lose it on the 09:34 UTC pass this morning, just thought the cable for
> the Elk finally failed.
>
> Dave - KB1PVH
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless DROID
>
> On Aug 18, 2010 8:33 AM, "Rick - WA4NVM"<wa4nvm@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> GM All,
>
> I haven't seen any post about AO-51 shutting down during it's last pass. We
> all hope
> it's a fast fix. Good luck to the control team.
>
> 73 all,
>
> Rick WA4NVM
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 08:26:37 -0500
From: "Rick - WA4NVM" <wa4nvm@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 update 18 August 2010 Re: AO-51 Down
To: "Mark L. Hammond" <marklhammond@xxxxx.xxx>, "AMSAT BB"
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: ao51-modes@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <A21AE829658C4B4D97A73D85F736C632@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
Hi Mark,
Thanks for the update. I'm glad to see it was not a real problem. I'm
sure the batteries are getting tired this far into it's life. Too bad about
the upcoming orbit. Man, I sure miss AO-16.
Thanks,
Rick
Rick,
Thanks for your note--it's not really down. Please refer to:
http://oscar.dcarr.org/
I had intended to do a more complete update later, but here's the quick
version.
1) AO-51 is still in eclipses for the next 4-5 days. Soon we'll be
back in 100% sun (until the end of December.) That means within the
next several days we should be able to keep AO-51 transmitting all the
time. In fact, we'll need to in order to keep temperatures down!
2) In recent days I've had to resort to shutting down the voice
repeater in order to grab some telemetry files from the bird. This is
very important as we are nearing the end of the eclipse period and we
want some good data for current use and for future reference. We
keep the voice repeater shutdowns to a minimum and try to do it during
the AM passes over the eastern US. But they are necessary at this
time. Sorry for any inconvenience.
3) Currently AO-51 has been automatically turning itself OFF and back
ON because of the power budget. You'll see this more often as it
first comes out of eclipse and as it begins to enter eclipse. We
continue to fine tune this, but our goal is to keep it transmitting
when there is enough power--without having the bird shutdown until
manually commanded back ON by one of the command team members.
4) Come January, we won't see much of a break from the eclipse periods
for a long, long time (there is one short window of full sun, but it's
about 2 weeks long in late Feb/early March 2011). The command team
has been using the recent eclipse period to learn how to become more
efficient in the use of the power management code on board. This
allows us to get the most "bang for the buck" out of the available
power. It's pretty complex and versatile. We've learned a
tremendous amount this eclipse period, but still have more to learn in
the future. And there will be a future for AO-51 :)
I hope that helps to reassure you...that is my goal!
73,
Mark N8MH
AO-51 Command Team member
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:19 AM, Rick - WA4NVM <wa4nvm@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> GM All,
>
> I haven't seen any post about AO-51 shutting down during it's last pass.
> We all hope
> it's a fast fix. Good luck to the control team.
>
> 73 all,
>
> Rick WA4NVM
> _______________________________________________
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--
Mark L. Hammond [N8MH]
------------------------------
Message: 13
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 17:06:48 +0200
From: "Matthias Bopp" <matthias.bopp@xxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] looking for information on amplifiers from
Watkin-Johnson
To: <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <DBC945923F4048DB90597D6F7A95790C@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Hello,
I am looking for any information on the following amplifiers:
1.) Watkin-Johnson WJ-6615-512 P1 (GaAs FET Amplifier), frequency range
marked on encasing is 1.0-2.6 GHz
2.) Watkin-Johnson WJ-738-3 (Low Noise Solid State Amplifier), frequency
range marked on encasing is 0.5-1.0 GHz
Both amplifiers have 110V AC power supplies attached to them. As I live in
Germany and we have 220V mains I would like to modify them and operate them
from a DC voltage. However I do not know the needed DC supply voltage nor
the necessary polarity. Any information is highly appreciated, especially a
data sheet.
Many thanks in advance for any help and best 55&73 from Germany
Matthias
www.dd1us.de <http://www.dd1us.de/>
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 09:51:04 -0600 (MDT)
From: "John Boudreau" <john@xxxxxxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Mini Grid Expeditions CP39-CP28
To: "John Boudreau" <john@xxxxxxxx.xx>
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Things didn't go quite as planned yesterday from CP39. The plane was late
and we arrived only 5 minutes before the start of the first HO-68 pass. I
grabbed my bags and quickly put together the Arrow and got set up. The
weather was warm and sunny but the wind was gusting to 25 knots. I had a
hard time hearing the downlink over the roar of the wind, I kept losing
the page in my log book, and I had to miraculously sprout a third arm to
keep the tripod, antennas, and radios from blowing over. To make matters
worse, I still have a loose connection on the uplink radio antenna jack
which needed to be held just right to get the RF up to the bird. Somehow
I still managed to get a dozen contacts in the log and about the same
number later on the second pass (which didn't go much better than the
first for all the same reasons). I finished my work and caught an earlier
flight home so I didn't make the AO-51 pass.
Things are still on for tomorrow from CP28. There's no option for an
early return so I'll definately be on for all the scheduled passes.
73
John - VE8EV
> The last AO-51 pass on Thursday from CP28 should read 0115z-0130z
>
> John - VE8EV
>
> (corrected schedule below)
>
>> I'll be travelling tomorrow (Aug 17) to Tuktoyaktuk, NT and will be
>> active
>> on
>> the following passes as VE8EV/P from CP39 :
>>
>> Time-On Time-Off Satellite Coverage Area
>>
>> 1620z 1635z HO-68 Europe, North America
>> 1808z 1826z HO-68 Europe, North America
>> 2138z 2152z AO-51 North America
>>
>> and then on Thursday (Aug 19) to Aklavik, NT in CP28:
>>
>> 1734z 1752z HO-68 Europe, North America
>> 1923z 1930z HO-68 Europe
>> 2111z 2120z HO-68 Europe
>> 2159z 2212z AO-51 North America
>> 2336z 2351z AO-51 North America
>> 0115z 0130z AO-51 North America
>>
>> 73
>> John - VE8EV
>>
>
>
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 10:21:48 -0600
From: <kladuke1144@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] K8YSE EN58
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: Patrick STODDARD <wd9ewk@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <COL117-DS278C86E69B4A9672FE28CBC9D0@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
All,
John, K8YSE will be operating FM birds on Friday from Isle Royale. He
plans on activating EN58 and possibly EN57. He will be portable and on FM
birds only. He said he plans to be back on the road Tuesday and continue
his trip.
73
WC7V
Kerry
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 14:05:56 EDT
From: Cotejaune2@xxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Hudson Valley Satcom Group Net Thursday Aug.19 At
8 PM EST On Echolink N2EYH-L
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <693e2.5e265961.399d7b04@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Hello again everyone. It's time again for the HVSG Net on Thursday August
19 at 8 PM EST on N2EYH-L Echolink and on the MT Beacon repeater 146.970 pl
100. Please join us for the net. I would like to thank all of you who
listened in on Echolink for the last net. Hope to hear you there.
73 Gary/WA2AQH
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