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Today's Topics:
1. Re: What is the proper way to fill out a QSL satellite card
(Stan, W1LE)
2. SAT VUCC (Bob DeVarney W1ICW)
3. Re: What is the proper way to fill out a QSL satellite card
(Bob- W7LRD)
4. Re: SAT VUCC (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
5. Re: What is the proper way to fill out a QSL satellite card
(Martin)
6. Re: What is the proper way to fill out a QSL satellite card
(Yanko Yankov)
7. K4T QSL card arrived today! (Larry Teran)
8. AO-27: Deja vu all over again (Rsoifer@xxx.xxxx
9. Re: SAT VUCC (Tim - N3TL)
10. Re: AO-27: Deja vu all over again (Allen F. Mattis)
11. Re: What is the proper way to fill out a QSL satellite card
(John W Lee)
12. Re: SAT VUCC (John W Lee)
13. IARU International Amateur Radio Satellite Forum (Trevor .)
14. Re: What is the proper way to fill out a QSL satellite card
(Gary "Joe" Mayfield)
15. Lithium polymer batteries (whiteld@xxx.xxxx
16. Hudson Valley Satcom Group Net Tonight On Echolink N2EYH-L AT
8PM(EDT)OR(2400UTC (Cotejaune2@xxx.xxxx
17. Re: Lithium polymer batteries (Gregg Wonderly)
18. Re: Lithium polymer batteries (Michael Tondee)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 15:55:58 -0400
From: "Stan, W1LE" <stanw1le@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: What is the proper way to fill out a QSL
satellite card
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4C2266CE.4050707@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Hello Yanko,
For VUCC satellite credit I want to see on the QSL card:
1. the word "sat", or "satellite", or the actual satellite like AO-40
2. The 4 digit grid of each of the QSO partners. 6 digit grid squares
are OK too
3. Uplink and downlink frequencies or bands, eg 2M up, 70 cm down, U/S,
V/U, etc.
4. the normal QSL info like call signs, date, time in UTC,
5. signal report: RST for CW (eg.599), RS for SSB/FM (eg.59)
EME recognized signal reports would be OK for EME QSLs.
6. Multiple QSO's on a single card or sheet of paper are OK with all
required info.
If typed/printed I want to see the senders initials to authenticate
Multiple QSO's on a label, on a QSL card are OK.
Stan, W1LE Cape Cod
On 6/23/2010 2:20 PM, Yanko Yankov wrote:
> Greetings All
>
> I want to ask about the proper way to fill out a QSL satellite card . I
> did some research online and I was unable to find anything in regards to
> the rst reports . How do you do that ? Do you report 'O' like when you do
> EME moon bounce or you report 59 like when you making a regular contacts ?
>
> Thank you,
> Yanko de KC9RDT
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 16:15:40 -0400
From: Bob DeVarney W1ICW <w1icw@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] SAT VUCC
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4C226B6C.6030905@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
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Yes, not a lot of these awards awarded. Mine is #64 dated 19 November of
1996. Congratulations! :-) That is a serious amount of effort you have
put forth.
Good luck with the Sexagesimal Award and above all, HAVE FUN !
I am not sure if they are even available any more, but the USSR used to
have something called the COSMOS award, and the JARL had the FUJI
award.. also the South Africans had a nice award for 20 QSOs through the
LEOs.. no idea where to even begin looking for info on these now or even
if they are still awarded.
A long time ago, and many, many orbits....
73 de Bob W1ICW
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Congratulations on the VUCC award. I got mine in 2004 and it is
numbered 135. Not alot of folks getting them I guess. I am surprised
what with all the grids being passed out on the FM birds now days.
73's << John
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Ulip ?eljko <Zeljko.Ulip@xxxxxxxx.xx> wrote:
> > Hello SAT friends,
> > A little self promotion:
> > Few days ago I founded in my post office box the VUCC Satellite Award #
197. Very nice piece of paper.
> > The next award project is AMSAT Sexagesimal Award. For SAT DXCC I must
wait for the P3E.
> > Best regards & 73
> >
> > ? ?Zeljko 9A2EY
> >
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 21:11:46 +0000 (UTC)
From: Bob- W7LRD <w7lrd@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: What is the proper way to fill out a QSL
satellite card
To: Yanko Yankov <samy_b1@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID:
<1431513637.1105481277327506887.JavaMail.root@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xx.xxxx.xxxxx
xx.xxx>
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Hello
I believe this device can help us with proper signal reports.?
http://www.pocatelloarc.org/k0ip/pic/digitalSmeter.htm I understand more
will be available next April.
73 Bob W7LRD
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yanko Yankov" <samy_b1@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 11:20:02 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: [amsat-bb] What is the proper way to fill out a QSL satellite card
Greetings All
I want to ask about ?the proper way to fill out a QSL satellite card . I
did some research online and I was unable to find anything in regards to
the rst reports . How do you do that ? Do you report 'O' like when you do
EME moon bounce or you report 59 like when you making a regular contacts ?
Thank you,
Yanko de KC9RDT
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 15:03:38 -0700
From: "Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)" <amsat-bb@xxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: SAT VUCC
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Hi Bob!
> I am not sure if they are even available any more, but the USSR used to
> have something called the COSMOS award, and the JARL had the FUJI
> award.. also the South Africans had a nice award for 20 QSOs through the
> LEOs.. no idea where to even begin looking for info on these now or even
> if they are still awarded.
Can't speak to the COSMOS award, but the other two you mentioned
are still available. The South African award is now handled by AMSAT-NA:
http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/awards/
JARL issues the Fuji award, at:
http://www.jarl.or.jp/English/4_Library/A-4-2_Awards/Award_Main.htm
I was able to have a JARL card checker take my application and fee
payment for the award at Dayton last year. JARL didn't have any of
those certificates at Dayton, so JARL mailed the certificate to me a
couple of weeks later. A nice certificate.
One of these days, I'll get around to writing out my application for a
satellite VUCC. I've got at least 350 grids confirmed at home, and have
not used my free time to deal with that application. More time for radio
and writing out QSL cards.
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 00:19:12 +0200
From: Martin <tmm@xxxxxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: What is the proper way to fill out a QSL
satellite card
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4C228860.7090605@xxxxxxx.xx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Hi
On 23-06-2010 20:39, Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF wrote:
> You fill out whatever you told the guy on the other end of the QSO when
you gave him a signal report as part of the QSO.
> Something like "your 5 and 9 old man. Please repeat your call and location!"
>
If you need the guy on the other end to repeat his call and locator, he
surely wasn't a 59. :)
Regards
OZ1TMM, Martin
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 18:14:00 -0500 (CDT)
From: Yanko Yankov <samy_b1@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: What is the proper way to fill out a QSL
satellite card
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1006231810040.14158@xxxx>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
Thank you guys . That helps a lot
Yanko de KC9RDT
On Wed, 23 Jun 2010, Stan, W1LE wrote:
> Hello Yanko,
>
> For VUCC satellite credit I want to see on the QSL card:
> 1. the word "sat", or "satellite", or the actual satellite like AO-40
> 2. The 4 digit grid of each of the QSO partners. 6 digit grid squares
> are OK too
> 3. Uplink and downlink frequencies or bands, eg 2M up, 70 cm down, U/S,
> V/U, etc.
> 4. the normal QSL info like call signs, date, time in UTC,
> 5. signal report: RST for CW (eg.599), RS for SSB/FM (eg.59)
> EME recognized signal reports would be OK for EME QSLs.
> 6. Multiple QSO's on a single card or sheet of paper are OK with all
> required info.
> If typed/printed I want to see the senders initials to authenticate
> Multiple QSO's on a label, on a QSL card are OK.
>
> Stan, W1LE Cape Cod
>
>
> On 6/23/2010 2:20 PM, Yanko Yankov wrote:
>> Greetings All
>>
>> I want to ask about the proper way to fill out a QSL satellite card . I
>> did some research online and I was unable to find anything in regards to
>> the rst reports . How do you do that ? Do you report 'O' like when you do
>> EME moon bounce or you report 59 like when you making a regular contacts ?
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Yanko de KC9RDT
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>
>>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 15:51:24 -0800
From: Larry Teran <ki6yaa@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] K4T QSL card arrived today!
To: AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID:
<AANLkTimjDpep54GBKxCYNT8c-ps6l9eecHgPkuY0o6tc@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
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It was on the mail box this afternoon, a beautiful photo QSL with
an aerial picture of the hexagonal shaped building of Forth Jefferson. A
description of the history about the place on the back and details of the
QSO, congratulations to the group for this magnificent dxepedition on 100%
green energy and their 8,000 + QSO's.
Many thanks to:
AC2V Mike
AI4QY Pete
K4MF Gary
K9VV Fred
KJ4EUT Max
KN3ZIG Chris
N8MH Mark
W4UH Dan
WA0USA VIc
WD4IXD Pete
and to their QSL Manager K5WW Erick
73's Larry KI6YAA
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 19:53:39 EDT
From: Rsoifer@xxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-27: Deja vu all over again
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <b73f6.7adb841b.3953f883@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Hi,
More than 12 years after my January 1998 QST article, I recently acquired a
new Yaesu VX-3R mini-HT. While getting ready for Field Day, I thought I
would try it out on AO-27. With the same MFJ 1717 dual-band whip that I
used back then, the 2-watt VX-3R quickly worked three stations today: K6YK,
WC7V and N5AFV.
Congratulations to them, and of course to the builders and command stations
of AO-27, who've kept it going since 1993.
See you all on FD from our club station, WE7GV.
73,
Ray W2RS
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 20:23:34 -0400
From: "Tim - N3TL" <n3tl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: SAT VUCC
To: " 'Ulip ?eljko' " <Zeljko.Ulip@xxxxxxxx.xx>, "'AMSAT-BB'"
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <515275.99951.qm@xxxxxxx.xxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2"
Congratulations Zeljko!
Good DX, 73 and God Bless,
Tim - N3TL
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Ulip ?eljko
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 9:43 AM
To: AMSAT-BB
Subject: [amsat-bb] SAT VUCC
Hello SAT friends,
A little self promotion:
Few days ago I founded in my post office box the VUCC Satellite Award # 197.
Very nice piece of paper.
The next award project is AMSAT Sexagesimal Award. For SAT DXCC I must wait
for the P3E.
Best regards & 73
Zeljko 9A2EY
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 19:31:18 -0500
From: "Allen F. Mattis" <afmattis@xxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-27: Deja vu all over again
To: Rsoifer@xxx.xxxx amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <201006240031.o5O0V1iM080415@xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
It was nice working you, Ray. I have used the MFJ-1717 with a W32A
HT for a hundred or so contacts.
I was working you from my home station using a cheap MFJ ground plane
with a pre-amp for receive on a Yaesu FT-817, and an MFJ Pulsar
dual-band antenna for uplink with a Yaesu FT-857. I firmly promote
the idea that you don't need to spend a thousand dollars or more to
work the birds.
Maybe we will work on FD - I will be using the KK5W call sign of the
Brazos Valley Amateur Radio Club.
73
Allen
At 06:53 PM 6/23/2010, Rsoifer@xxx.xxx wrote:
>Hi,
>
>More than 12 years after my January 1998 QST article, I recently acquired a
> new Yaesu VX-3R mini-HT. While getting ready for Field Day, I thought I
>would try it out on AO-27. With the same MFJ 1717 dual-band whip that I
>used back then, the 2-watt VX-3R quickly worked three stations today: K6YK,
>WC7V and N5AFV.
>
>Congratulations to them, and of course to the builders and command stations
> of AO-27, who've kept it going since 1993.
>
>See you all on FD from our club station, WE7GV.
>
>73,
>
>Ray W2RS
>_______________________________________________
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>Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 17:43:25 -0800
From: John W Lee <k6yk@xxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: What is the proper way to fill out a QSL
satellite card
To: tmm@xxxxxxx.xx
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <20100623.180252.2172.2.k6yk@xxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Actually it's more like this, on H.F. and other places:
You're 5-9, please repeat your call several times slowly!
73
John, K6YK
Sat VUCC #10
On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 00:19:12 +0200 Martin <tmm@xxxxxxx.xx> writes:
> Hi
> On 23-06-2010 20:39, Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF wrote:
> > You fill out whatever you told the guy on the other end of the QSO
> when you gave him a signal report as part of the QSO.
> > Something like "your 5 and 9 old man. Please repeat your call and
> location!"
> >
>
> If you need the guy on the other end to repeat his call and locator,
> he
> surely wasn't a 59. :)
>
> Regards
> OZ1TMM, Martin
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the
> author.
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>
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 17:50:14 -0800
From: John W Lee <k6yk@xxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: SAT VUCC
To: amsat-bb@xxxxxx.xxx
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <20100623.180252.2172.3.k6yk@xxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
I have the Cosmos (KOCMOC) Award,
It's real nice.
73,
John K6YK
On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 15:03:38 -0700 "Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)"
<amsat-bb@xxxxxx.xxx> writes:
> Hi Bob!
>
> > I am not sure if they are even available any more, but the USSR
> used to
> > have something called the COSMOS award, and the JARL had the FUJI
> > award.. also the South Africans had a nice award for 20 QSOs
> through the
> > LEOs.. no idea where to even begin looking for info on these now
> or even
> > if they are still awarded.
>
> Can't speak to the COSMOS award, but the other two you mentioned
> are still available. The South African award is now handled by
> AMSAT-NA:
>
> http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/awards/
>
> JARL issues the Fuji award, at:
>
> http://www.jarl.or.jp/English/4_Library/A-4-2_Awards/Award_Main.htm
>
> I was able to have a JARL card checker take my application and fee
> payment for the award at Dayton last year. JARL didn't have any of
> those certificates at Dayton, so JARL mailed the certificate to me
> a
> couple of weeks later. A nice certificate.
>
> One of these days, I'll get around to writing out my application for
> a
> satellite VUCC. I've got at least 350 grids confirmed at home, and
> have
> not used my free time to deal with that application. More time for
> radio
> and writing out QSL cards.
>
> 73!
>
>
>
>
>
> Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
> http://www.wd9ewk.net/
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the
> author.
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> program!
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>
>
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 09:06:58 +0000 (GMT)
From: "Trevor ." <m5aka@xxxxx.xx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] IARU International Amateur Radio Satellite Forum
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <276126.26460.qm@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
IARU International Amateur Radio Satellite Forum
The IARU International Amateur Radio Satellite Forum will this year be
held in conjunction with the AMSAT-UK Colloquium which takes place in
Guildford, England on the weekend of July 31 - Aug 1.
The forum, chaired by IARU Amateur Satellite Advisor Hans van de Groenendaal
ZS6AKV, takes place on the Sunday morning.
On the Agenda is a report back on the activities of the IARU Satellite
Adviser and his Advisory Panel.
There will be a brief presentation covering the ITU notification
requirements for satellites operating in the amateur service and the
requirement to be able disable transmissions should the signals interfere
with other users of the radio spectrum.
The forum is open to all delegates at the colloquium.
Colloquium Info: http://www.uk.amsat.org/colloquium/
----
73 Trevor M5AKA
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 07:02:31 -0500
From: "Gary \"Joe\" Mayfield" <gary_mayfield@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: What is the proper way to fill out a QSL
satellite card
To: "'Stan, W1LE'" <stanw1le@xxxxxxx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <COL114-DS92923864E9C0C4A0F83228AC60@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Stan,
What would you do with cards that only have the grid of the respondent?
Living in South Dakota I get lots of QSLs, and my grid is well displayed on
the card, but I have never bothered to look the other guy's grid up and put
it on the card.
I figured he put his grid on his card and I put my grid on my card.....
73,
Joe kk0sd
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Stan, W1LE
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 2:56 PM
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: What is the proper way to fill out a QSL satellite
card
Hello Yanko,
For VUCC satellite credit I want to see on the QSL card:
1. the word "sat", or "satellite", or the actual satellite like AO-40
2. The 4 digit grid of each of the QSO partners. 6 digit grid squares
are OK too
3. Uplink and downlink frequencies or bands, eg 2M up, 70 cm down, U/S,
V/U, etc.
4. the normal QSL info like call signs, date, time in UTC,
5. signal report: RST for CW (eg.599), RS for SSB/FM (eg.59)
EME recognized signal reports would be OK for EME QSLs.
6. Multiple QSO's on a single card or sheet of paper are OK with all
required info.
If typed/printed I want to see the senders initials to authenticate
Multiple QSO's on a label, on a QSL card are OK.
Stan, W1LE Cape Cod
On 6/23/2010 2:20 PM, Yanko Yankov wrote:
> Greetings All
>
> I want to ask about the proper way to fill out a QSL satellite card . I
> did some research online and I was unable to find anything in regards to
> the rst reports . How do you do that ? Do you report 'O' like when you do
> EME moon bounce or you report 59 like when you making a regular contacts ?
>
> Thank you,
> Yanko de KC9RDT
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
>
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 09:01:47 -0500
From: whiteld@xxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Lithium polymer batteries
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <287oFXoav5664S03.1277388107@xxxxx.xxx.xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Following up on the Lithium polymer battery mention I Googled them and was
disturbed to find:
-high fire risk. One seller offers flame retardant bags to put the cells in
while charging them... for $25
-(as warned) high prices especially considering the more-unique balanced
charger / discharger devices at ~$100 and up being required in addition to the
cells themselves
-a hazardous materials uplift for FedEx shipment ranging from $25-$45
depending on destination, on top of normal shipping rates
All of that tells me they're "not ready for prime time" though the current
capacity vs weight looks very promising.
I will wait and watch, hoping the technology matures into something safer and
less costly as time goes on. Likely it will, particularly the cheaper part,
though it appears some safety issues have to be addressed meaningfully.
Thanks for the mention. It is interesting.
Lowell
K9LDW
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 10:34:43 EDT
From: Cotejaune2@xxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Hudson Valley Satcom Group Net Tonight On Echolink
N2EYH-L AT 8PM(EDT)OR(2400UTC
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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It isime again for the HVSGN tonight June 24 at 8 PM or 2400 utc on N2EYH-L
on Echolink or on the Mt.Beacon Repeater 146.970 pl 100. Please join us
and share your knowledge about satellite operations. Hope to hear you there.
73
Gary/WA2AQH
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 09:51:15 -0500
From: Gregg Wonderly <w5ggw@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Lithium polymer batteries
To: whiteld@xxx.xxx
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The most predominate problem is people using the wrong chargers for them.
They
think to themselves, "This is a rechargable battery, I can just use my
expensive
NiMh/NiCd charger I already bought". The problem is, of course, that the LiPo
cells have a completely different charging profile that is short-high and then
long-low, instead of the previous long-high, short-low of the other common
cell
types. Thus, people end up charging them for too long at High-C and boom,
they
overheat and catch fire.
The Radio Controlled Model industry has already gone through large failure
occurrences with the charging problem, burning up multi-hundred dollar/hour
investments, catching houses on fire etc.
Most people now charge LiPo batteries outside the models, and use a fired-clay
pot or other heat tolerant container just to be safe.
Using the correct charger goes a long ways towards nearly eliminating all
problems. You have to have a temperature monitor to really do it right, but
any
production battery charging facility needs that.
Gregg Wonderly
whiteld@xxx.xxx wrote:
> Following up on the Lithium polymer battery mention I Googled them and was
> disturbed to find:
>
> -high fire risk. One seller offers flame retardant bags to put the cells in
> while charging them... for $25
>
> -(as warned) high prices especially considering the more-unique balanced
> charger / discharger devices at ~$100 and up being required in addition to
the
> cells themselves
>
> -a hazardous materials uplift for FedEx shipment ranging from $25-$45
> depending on destination, on top of normal shipping rates
>
> All of that tells me they're "not ready for prime time" though the current
> capacity vs weight looks very promising.
>
> I will wait and watch, hoping the technology matures into something safer
and
> less costly as time goes on. Likely it will, particularly the cheaper part,
> though it appears some safety issues have to be addressed meaningfully.
>
> Thanks for the mention. It is interesting.
>
> Lowell
> K9LDW
>
>
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 13:20:10 -0400
From: Michael Tondee <mat_62@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Lithium polymer batteries
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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Lithium polymer batteries
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 12:34:14 -0400
From: Michael Tondee <mat_62@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Li poly batteries are perfectly safe as long as one uses common sense
and follows basic safety procedures. The fire retardant bags and clay
pots are a nice extra bit of insurance but I haven't found them really
necessary as long as I pay attention.
I charge my batteries outside mostly or if I do charge them inside I
don't leave them unattended. As someone already stated, using the proper
charger is the key. With the proper state of the art charger it is near
to impossible to overcharge a li poly battery. I emphasize "state of the
art". A very good one called the Cellpro is made by a company named FMA
and is under $100 in price.
I fly electric RC airplanes and helicopters with Li poly batteries. I
order them online and I have never been charged any type of hazmat fee.
FWIW I've had numerous hard crashes with my heli and have never ever
had a li poly battery explode or catch fire.
These batteries have revolutionized RC flying. Along with brushless
motors, it's a whole new world. It's now possible to fly planes of the
size that used to take nitromethane or "glow fuel" powered engines with
clean quiet electric power.
73,
Michael, W4HIJ
On 6/24/2010 10:01 AM, whiteld@xxx.xxx wrote:
> Following up on the Lithium polymer battery mention I Googled them and was
> disturbed to find:
>
> -high fire risk. One seller offers flame retardant bags to put the cells in
> while charging them... for $25
>
> -(as warned) high prices especially considering the more-unique balanced
> charger / discharger devices at ~$100 and up being required in addition
to the
> cells themselves
>
> -a hazardous materials uplift for FedEx shipment ranging from $25-$45
> depending on destination, on top of normal shipping rates
>
> All of that tells me they're "not ready for prime time" though the current
> capacity vs weight looks very promising.
>
> I will wait and watch, hoping the technology matures into something safer
and
> less costly as time goes on. Likely it will, particularly the cheaper part,
> though it appears some safety issues have to be addressed meaningfully.
>
> Thanks for the mention. It is interesting.
>
> Lowell
> K9LDW
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> S
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