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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Membership Benefits (Bruce)
2. Re: Membership Benefits (Bob- W7LRD)
3. Re: Membership Benefits (Roger Kolakowski)
4. Re: Membership Benefits (Clint Bradford)
5. Re: Membership Benefits (Edward Cole)
6. Re: Membership Benefits (Art McBride)
7. current handheld (Bob- W7LRD)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 10:37:57 -0500
From: "Bruce" <snyderb@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Membership Benefits
To: "Dee" <morsesat@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, "'Joel Black'"
<jbblack68@xxxxx.xxx>, "'AMSAT'" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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Amsat-bb
I just renewed my annual membership as I appreciate the continued great
tech advice everyone is willing to provide when a question is posted on the
bb and help fund currrent sats, launches in progress.
73, Bruce KG4YEV
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dee" <morsesat@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "'Joel Black'" <jbblack68@xxxxx.xxx>; "'AMSAT'" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 10:04 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Membership Benefits
> Joel,
> As put before, we are the only organization that directly supports Amateur
> Radio Satellites. Everything we do supports this effort. Those that use
> the satellites for their fun and DO NOT belong to AMSAT are defeating this
> effort. Satellites don't magically appear for everyone's benefit.
> Whenever I give a talk, my bottom line is "I work for donations!" We are
> striving for the best bang for the buck and putting a satellite in orbit
> that gives back the most in returns.
> Pass the hat and pass the solar panels!
> 73,
> Dee, NB2F
> NJ AMSAT Co-coordinator
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
> Behalf Of Joel Black
> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 9:41 AM
> To: AMSAT
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Membership Benefits
>
> AMSAT-BB,
>
> I realize what I'm going to get by asking this... If you were giving a
> presentation to amateur radio operators who know little or nothing of
> AMSAT,
> what would you list as some of the benefits of being a member of AMSAT?
> What would be the single most important reason?
>
>
> 73,
> Joel, W4JBB
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 17:02:26 +0000 (UTC)
From: Bob- W7LRD <w7lrd@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Membership Benefits
To: Joel Black <jbblack68@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: AMSAT <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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Hi Joel and all
-This is a timely question for me.? Yesterday I organized and ran (with the
help of Wayne-W9AE) a AMSAT table at a local hamfest.? I had the opportunity
to meet many local hams both satellite ops and the curious.? I extolled the
virtues of AMSAT and the satellite community in general.? A few points I
noticed as an undercurrent in some of the conversations.? We hams are
generally a frugal bunch and in some cases just plain cheap.? I had several
antennas on display as well as several pictures, one was of an astronaut on
a EVA installing?one of our ?antennas on the outside of the space station.?
Some of the questions went like this, one guy asked, "do you have to belong
to AMSAT to operate satellites?", can I get this software (Satpc32) free on
line?" "are these books available any where else?"? My response to these and
similar queries was, "see this picture?" what do you think the shipping cost
is?"? "What we do, is rocket science, and rocket science is not cheap".??
How many !
active satellite operators do? not belong to AMSAT?? How many use pirated
tracking programs.? How many do not contribute "something" to AMSAT.? Maybe
some aspect of of AMSAT ticks you off, so you cut the cord.? I'm sure some
part of the government ticks you off, you don't move to Canada.? In order
for AMSAT and our efforts to succeed it takes money, and yes probably lots
of it.? This event was a learning process for me and in the future I hope to
hone my abilities?and create more dues paying and contributing members.?
Finally- "this is rocket science and rocket science is not cheap.
73 Bob W7LRD
Washington State AMSAT area coordinator
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joel Black" <jbblack68@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "AMSAT" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Sunday, March 7, 2010 6:40:33 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: [amsat-bb] ?Membership Benefits
AMSAT-BB,
I realize what I'm going to get by asking this... ?If you were giving a
presentation to amateur radio operators who know little or nothing of
AMSAT, what would you list as some of the benefits of being a member of
AMSAT? ?What would be the single most important reason?
73,
Joel, W4JBB
_______________________________________________
Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 12:39:07 -0500
From: Roger Kolakowski <Rogerkola@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Membership Benefits
To: Bob- W7LRD <w7lrd@xxxxxxx.xxx>, amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4B93E4BB.3080808@xxx.xxx>
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Let's try it off the cuff...
AMSAT is the central collection point for current satellite status,
future technological development, international lobbying efforts,
informational resources, contact coordination, information
dissemination, etc.... (forgot "debate")
Without AMSAT and its BB reflector, a potential or existing Satellite
operator would spend, days, weeks, months or maybe years Googleing
resources to ease their introduction to the multiple aspects of the hobby.
Has anyone seen an up to date hard/softcover book that answers the
majority of the questions that we see go by the BB every day? Would 2.4
or 1.2 GHz have any activity if not for the AMSAT BB? How about
automatic frequency control and tracking?
What's the information worth to the individual?...that's a personal
decision. But without communication, interest declines resulting in a
who cares attitude...after all most of us have cellphones that can
probably accomplish many of the tasks we perform through satellites less
expensively.
Roger
WA1KAT
Bob- W7LRD wrote:
>
>
> Hi Joel and all
>
> -This is a timely question for me. Yesterday I organized and ran (with
the help of Wayne-W9AE) a AMSAT table at a local hamfest. I had the
opportunity to meet many local hams both satellite ops and the curious. I
extolled the virtues of AMSAT and the satellite community in general. A few
points I noticed as an undercurrent in some of the conversations. We hams
are generally a frugal bunch and in some cases just plain cheap. I had
several antennas on display as well as several pictures, one was of an
astronaut on a EVA installing one of our antennas on the outside of the
space station. Some of the questions went like this, one guy asked, "do you
have to belong to AMSAT to operate satellites?", can I get this software
(Satpc32) free on line?" "are these books available any where else?" My
response to these and similar queries was, "see this picture?" what do you
think the shipping cost is?" "What we do, is rocket science, and rocket
science is not cheap". How man
y active satellite operators do not belong to AMSAT? How many use pirated
tracking programs. How many do not contribute "something" to AMSAT. Maybe
some aspect of of AMSAT ticks you off, so you cut the cord. I'm sure some
part of the government ticks you off, you don't move to Canada. In order
for AMSAT and our efforts to succeed it takes money, and yes probably lots
of it. This event was a learning process for me and in the future I hope to
hone my abilities and create more dues paying and contributing members.
Finally- "this is rocket science and rocket science is not cheap.
>
>
>
>
>
> 73 Bob W7LRD
> Washington State AMSAT area coordinator
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joel Black" <jbblack68@xxxxx.xxx>
> To: "AMSAT" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> Sent: Sunday, March 7, 2010 6:40:33 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Membership Benefits
>
> AMSAT-BB,
>
> I realize what I'm going to get by asking this... If you were giving a
> presentation to amateur radio operators who know little or nothing of
> AMSAT, what would you list as some of the benefits of being a member of
> AMSAT? What would be the single most important reason?
>
>
> 73,
> Joel, W4JBB
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 09:50:38 -0800
From: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Membership Benefits
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <89537205-B77C-45CC-9B3A-CA3B167E6A1A@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
AMSAT members receive an every-other-month printed Journal ... discounts on
some satellite tracking software and publications ... members can proudly
boast that they are supporting amateur satellite programs ... and talk to
your CPA - AMSAT-NA is a 501(c)(3) organization that can be left a few bucks
in one's will,
Clint Bradford, K6LCS
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 09:27:00 -0900
From: Edward Cole <kl7uw@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Membership Benefits
To: Bob- W7LRD <w7lrd@xxxxxxx.xxx>, Joel Black <jbblack68@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: AMSAT <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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At 08:02 AM 3/7/2010, Bob- W7LRD wrote:
>Hi Joel and all -This is a timely question for
>me.? Yesterday I organized and ran (with the
>help of Wayne-W9AE) a AMSAT table at a local
>hamfest.? I had the opportunity to meet many
>local hams both satellite ops and the
>curious.? I extolled the virtues of AMSAT and
>the satellite community in general.? A few
>points I noticed as an undercurrent in some of
>the conversations.? We hams are generally a
>frugal bunch and in some cases just plain
>cheap.? I had several antennas on display as
>well as several pictures, one was of an
>astronaut on a EVA installing? one of our ?
>antennas on the outside of the space
>station.? Some of the questions went like this,
>one guy asked, "do you have to belong to AMSAT
>to operate satellites?", can I get this software
>(Satpc32) free on line?" "are these books
>available any where else?"? My response to
>these and similar queries was, "see this
>picture?" what do you think the shipping cost
>is?"? "What we do, is rocket science, and
>rocket science is not cheap".? ? How many
>active satellite operators do? not belong to
>AMSAT?? How many use pirated tracking
>programs.? How many do not contribute
>"something" to AMSAT.? Maybe some aspect of of
>AMSAT ticks you off, so you cut the cord.? I'm
>sure some part of the government ticks you off,
>you don't move to Canada.? In order for AMSAT
>and our efforts to succeed it takes money, and
>yes probably lots of it.? This event was a
>learning process for me and in the future I hope
>to hone my abilities? and create more dues
>paying and contributing members.? Finally-
>"this is rocket science and rocket science is
>not cheap. 73 Bob W7LRD Washington State AMSAT
>area coordinator ----- Original Message -----
>From: "Joel Black" <jbblack68@xxxxx.xxx> To:
>"AMSAT" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx> Sent: Sunday, March
>7, 2010 6:40:33 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
>Subject: [amsat-bb] ? Membership Benefits
>AMSAT-BB, I realize what I'm going to get by
>asking this... ? If you were giving a
>presentation to amateur radio operators who know
>little or nothing of AMSAT, what would you list
>as some of the benefits of being a member of
>AMSAT? ? What would be the single most important
>reason? 73, Joel, W4JBB
>_______________________________________________
>Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed
>are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member?
>Join now to support the amateur satellite
>program! Subscription settings:
>http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>_______________________________________________
>Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed
>are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member?
>Join now to support the amateur satellite
>program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
Re: being a member of Amsat:
That is the "minimum" we can support amateur
satellites with. I am proud of my low Amsat
membership# as that shows I have been a
long-standing member. If I could afford more I
would become a life-member, but in my retirement
we will manage to come up with our annual
dues. "Cheap"? I know, considering the cost of "rocket science"!
I have been a field-op since about 1998. I have
handed the torch off (sponsored) to four others
in Alaska to become field-ops (they do a superb
job). I now try to support with technical advice, if I can.
I have fond memories of the early years in ham
satellites (AO-6). Looking forward to more with
Amsat in the future. My hat is off the
volunteers that make it all possible (and to the members that support them).
73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45
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500-KHz/CW, 144-MHz EME, 1296-MHz EME
DUBUS Magazine USA Rep dubususa@xxxxxxx.xxx
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 10:46:47 -0800
From: "Art McBride" <kc6uqh@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Membership Benefits
To: "'Bob- W7LRD'" <w7lrd@xxxxxxx.xxx>, "'Joel Black'"
<jbblack68@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: 'AMSAT' <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <6F8F2317E4E1433F9F95420551D2D3DD@xxxxxx>
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Bob,
There are always a few that refuse to pay for anything and spend most of
their time trying to get something for free.
If you spend a little on AMSAT then you can use the time that would be spent
on finding something for free, learning how to operate Satellites or build
some of the antennas published in the Journal and save real $
Most important is not to give any encouragement to the constant complainers
that never contribute anything to anything.
Art,
KC6QUH
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Bob- W7LRD
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 9:02 AM
To: Joel Black
Cc: AMSAT
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Membership Benefits
Hi Joel and all
-This is a timely question for me.? Yesterday I organized and ran (with the
help of Wayne-W9AE) a AMSAT table at a local hamfest.? I had the opportunity
to meet many local hams both satellite ops and the curious.? I extolled the
virtues of AMSAT and the satellite community in general.? A few points I
noticed as an undercurrent in some of the conversations.? We hams are
generally a frugal bunch and in some cases just plain cheap.? I had several
antennas on display as well as several pictures, one was of an astronaut on
a EVA installing?one of our ?antennas on the outside of the space station.?
Some of the questions went like this, one guy asked, "do you have to belong
to AMSAT to operate satellites?", can I get this software (Satpc32) free on
line?" "are these books available any where else?"? My response to these and
similar queries was, "see this picture?" what do you think the shipping cost
is?"? "What we do, is rocket science, and rocket science is not cheap".??
How many active satellite operators do? not belong to AMSAT?? How many use
pirated tracking programs.? How many do not contribute "something" to
AMSAT.? Maybe some aspect of of AMSAT ticks you off, so you cut the cord.?
I'm sure some part of the government ticks you off, you don't move to
Canada.? In order for AMSAT and our efforts to succeed it takes money, and
yes probably lots of it.? This event was a learning process for me and in
the future I hope to hone my abilities?and create more dues paying and
contributing members.? Finally- "this is rocket science and rocket science
is not cheap.
73 Bob W7LRD
Washington State AMSAT area coordinator
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joel Black" <jbblack68@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "AMSAT" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Sunday, March 7, 2010 6:40:33 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: [amsat-bb] ?Membership Benefits
AMSAT-BB,
I realize what I'm going to get by asking this... ?If you were giving a
presentation to amateur radio operators who know little or nothing of
AMSAT, what would you list as some of the benefits of being a member of
AMSAT? ?What would be the single most important reason?
73,
Joel, W4JBB
_______________________________________________
Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
_______________________________________________
Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 19:09:37 +0000 (UTC)
From: Bob- W7LRD <w7lrd@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] current handheld
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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I have been asked- "what is the best current handheld for FM sats"?? What
are we using?? I have an old IC-w32a, no longer in production.
73 Bob W7LRD
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Sent via amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
Not an AMSAT member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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