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Today's Topics:
1. Re: It's NOT Censorship (David - KG4ZLB)
2. Re: It's NOT Censorship (Rocky Jones)
3. Re: It's NOT Censorship (Eric Christensen)
4. Re: It's NOT Censorship (Steve Meuse)
5. Re: It's NOT Censorship (Andrew Glasbrenner)
6. Re: It's NOT Censorship (Bob Martinson)
7. Re: It's NOT Censorship (Rocky Jones)
8. Re: AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 5, Issue 25 (Clint Bradford)
9. Re: AMSAT Board (Clint Bradford)
10. Re: It's NOT Censorship (Edward Cole)
11. Re: AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 5, Issue 25 (Rocky Jones)
12. Re: AMSAT Board (Rocky Jones)
13. Re: It's NOT Censorship (Rocky Jones)
14. Re: It's NOT Censorship (Bob- W7LRD)
15. Re: It's NOT Censorship (Timothy Pickett)
16. SO67 no activity heard (Danny Casier)
17. Re^2: FO-29 schedule Jan, Feb. (Mineo Wakita)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:09:28 -0500
From: David - KG4ZLB <kg4zlb@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: It's NOT Censorship
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4B50F5A8.2020608@xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
It's not altogether surprising that this topic is being discussed but
really folks, lets look at the facts!
The whole issue revolves around just a few members/posters who
continually try and push the boundaries on what is a large list with
respected and influential members all over the World.
We all know who they are; the ones that immediately post a facetious
reply to a newbie question, the ones that post one line,or worse still,
one word answers that are ambiguous at best and downright rude at worst;
the ones that take childish delight in trying to elicit the maximum
controversy with seemingly innocuous postings. We know who they are and
they know who they are and the laws of defamation restrict me in naming
them!
There is a delete key on your keyboard; there are message filters built
in to your e-mail client and if you really get offended then there is
always the "un-subscribe" route.
But if anyone on the list ever gets to having to be warned by AMSAT
about their conduct on the BB or worse still, be faced with
suspension/expulsion from the list then shame on you!
For the most part we are all responsible adults involved in a fairly
expensive hobby (note "hobby") that is both highly technical and to most
people, quite complicated. If anyone feels that they can do a better job
than anyone on the current Board then by all means file a motion of no
confidence and see how many fully paid up members back you.
Put up or shut up.
That we have even had to come to an Acceptable Use Policy for this board
should make certain members/posters question whether they should even be
members.
Rant over
David
KG4ZLB
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:48:26 -0600
From: Rocky Jones <orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: It's NOT Censorship
To: <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: Amsat BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <COL106-W5F9DAFCF92D05189906DED6690@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
I find the entire thing rather silly. If the organization were flying
satellites and functioning well that might be something but as it is...it is
sort of like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAeqVGP-GPM&feature=related
"Gentleman you can't fight in here, This is the war room"
courtesy Dr. Strangelove
Robert WB5MZO life member
CC: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
From: clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: It's NOT Censorship
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:57:22 -0800
To: orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx
>> ... but the "guidelines" are so broad as to be meaningless ...
I see the guidelines as a verbose version of:
Be a responsible citizen of the planet.
Clint
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:00:29 -0500
From: Eric Christensen <eric@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: It's NOT Censorship
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4B51019D.2050204@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
I guess this is as good a time to say this as any...
Ummm... if AMSAT is going to only allow "yea" sayers then would your
message have made it through?
Have a nice day!
Eric W4OTN
On 01/15/2010 06:08 PM, Jack K. wrote:
> Sounds like a good definition for "elitist" rule to me, however you coat
> something, remember at the core is the seed you began with, if all you are
> looking for is "yea" Sayers then "moderating" a BB is an excellent
> beginning.
>
> De KD1PE
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:11:18 -0500
From: Steve Meuse <smeuse@xxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: It's NOT Censorship
To: Joel Black <jbblack68@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <20100116001118.GA15168@xxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Joel Black expunged (jbblack68@xxxxx.xxxxx
> What I disagree with is the statement, "AMSAT is not 'censoring' anyone."
>
> Now, I'm no lawyer by any stretch, but I can read. Censoring is
> limiting speech based on what one finds objectionable. What is
> objectionable is completely subjective.
When you are using the private resources of the AMSAT corporation, they can
do whatever they like.
That's not censorship, that's protecting their own resources.
I, for one, welcome our new mailing list overlords :)
-Steve
N1JFU - http://n1jfu.blogspot.com - smeuse@xxxxxxx
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:29:40 -0500
From: Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: It's NOT Censorship
To: Steve Meuse <smeuse@xxxx.xxx>
Cc: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4B510874.5000002@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Steve Meuse wrote:
> When you are using the private resources of the AMSAT corporation, they
can do whatever they like.
>
> That's not censorship, that's protecting their own resources.
>
> I, for one, welcome our new mailing list overlords :)
>
>
> -Steve
>
>
Spot on Steve, along with David's earlier post.
Hell, we even allow non-members to complain about the free services we
provide. Just keep it civil and productive. Look at this thread and
you'll find at least one already who's never been a paying member.
73, Drew KO4MA
PS I voted yes for the AUP, and probably pushed hardest for it to be
implemented. Feel free to vote me out or run against me next election if
you object. And if you are a member. Personal communications has been
about 20 to 1 in favor of the taming of -bb.
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:46:43 -0500
From: "Bob Martinson" <REMartinson@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: It's NOT Censorship
To: "Steve Meuse" <smeuse@xxxx.xxx>, "Joel Black"
<jbblack68@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <CKEPIJLEFJLCJMEKKCNEGEKGDNAA.REMartinson@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Right on Steve!!!!
73,
Bob, K1REM
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxxxx
Behalf Of Steve Meuse
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:11 PM
To: Joel Black
Cc: Clint Bradford; amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: It's NOT Censorship
Joel Black expunged (jbblack68@xxxxx.xxxxx
> What I disagree with is the statement, "AMSAT is not 'censoring' anyone."
>
> Now, I'm no lawyer by any stretch, but I can read. Censoring is
> limiting speech based on what one finds objectionable. What is
> objectionable is completely subjective.
When you are using the private resources of the AMSAT corporation, they can
do whatever they like.
That's not censorship, that's protecting their own resources.
I, for one, welcome our new mailing list overlords :)
-Steve
N1JFU - http://n1jfu.blogspot.com - smeuse@xxxxxxx
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:50:15 -0600
From: Rocky Jones <orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: It's NOT Censorship
To: <smeuse@xxxx.xxx>, <jbblack68@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx Amsat BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <COL106-W43B29ACB94E7EDF3423AFD6680@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> When you are using the private resources of the AMSAT corporation, they
can do whatever they like.
>
>
>
>
> -Steve
>
> N1JFU - http://n1jfu.blogspot.com - smeuse@xxxxxxx
that probably holds true (I am not a lawyer nor do I play one on TV but I
have been associated in a governing capacity with "Amsat like"
organizations, much larger ones in fact) as long as one is "not a member".
If you are a member however, not so much.
Robert WB5MZO life member
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:06:01 -0800
From: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 5, Issue 25
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <0CFC605E-3A02-40F1-B35F-E2BC77521F3C@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>> ... If you are a member of AMSAT in my view short of threatening death or
shouting fire when there is no fire...you pretty much get to lay ones two
cents on the line ...
Yo, Robert - I'm coming over to your house this weekend. No, you didn't
invite me, but I'll show up anyway. I am bringing my sick St. Bernard - he
might mess up the carpet a little until he gets well. I might stay a week or
so, I dunno. I kinda like that artwork on your mantle - I think I'll take it
home with me when I leave. Sorry about the spilled Pina Colada stain on the
rug - I get excited while watching San Diego Chargers football. And I
knocked a hole in the wall of that back bedroom - to feed some cabling
through for the portable tower I brought with me. The smoke damage from that
little fire I accidentally started in the kitchen won't cost you too much in
repairs - and the awful smell will go away in a year or so, no biggie. Hey -
the fridge is now empty - great Omaha steaks, by the way ... and I used up
all your charcoal ...
No, Robert, you would not welcome my presence in your house. You would ban
me for life. You'd change the locks and have a restraining order issued.
A private club's (i.e., one not sponsored by the government) membership
message board can be set up in any way its officials decide. Those that are
not allowed in have no legal recourse. Heck, there was a post today right
here that - if *I* were moderating the system - would never have been seen
by anyone else.
And so it goes ....
Clint Bradford, K6LCS
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:16:18 -0800
From: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Board
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <176A348A-AF34-4022-8D9C-DE8328393E76@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>> ... The AMSAT BOD is more or less acting, in my view, like our
politicians in Washington ie once they are elected they are to busy to
listen to the people who make up the group ...
Your membership experience in AMSAT - and in our democracy - is way
different than mine.
I send an email on an issue to an AMSAT board member, and I receive a
written reply in a reasonable amount of time. EVERY time.
I pick up the telephone and get right through to the legislative aide I know
at my US Senator's office - 45 hours a week, any time.
For local issues, I can speak with either of two assistants to my county
supervisor during the week. I have the home phone number of one of them.
These entities are not "too busy to listen" to me.
Developing effective communication skills may be a key in how effective
one's message is. And if that message contains what the AMSAT BOD has
identified as objectionable (" ... Illegal ... Insulting, abusive,
harassing, or threatening ... Knowingly false or misrepresentative ... " )
then that messenger needs to clean up his/her act.
Clint Bradfiord, K6LCS
AMSAT area coordinator, AMSAT benefactor
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:55:09 -0900
From: Edward Cole <kl7uw@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: It's NOT Censorship
To: David M0ZLB <kg4zlb@xxxxx.xxx>, amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <201001160155.o0G1t91a066908@xxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
At 02:09 PM 1/15/2010, David - KG4ZLB wrote:
>It's not altogether surprising that this topic is being discussed but
>really folks, lets look at the facts!
>
>The whole issue revolves around just a few members/posters who
>continually try and push the boundaries on what is a large list with
>respected and influential members all over the World.
>
>We all know who they are; the ones that immediately post a facetious
>reply to a newbie question, the ones that post one line,or worse still,
>one word answers that are ambiguous at best and downright rude at worst;
>the ones that take childish delight in trying to elicit the maximum
>controversy with seemingly innocuous postings. We know who they are and
>they know who they are and the laws of defamation restrict me in naming
>them!
>
>There is a delete key on your keyboard; there are message filters built
>in to your e-mail client and if you really get offended then there is
>always the "un-subscribe" route.
>
>But if anyone on the list ever gets to having to be warned by AMSAT
>about their conduct on the BB or worse still, be faced with
>suspension/expulsion from the list then shame on you!
>
>For the most part we are all responsible adults involved in a fairly
>expensive hobby (note "hobby") that is both highly technical and to most
>people, quite complicated. If anyone feels that they can do a better job
>than anyone on the current Board then by all means file a motion of no
>confidence and see how many fully paid up members back you.
>
>Put up or shut up.
>
>That we have even had to come to an Acceptable Use Policy for this board
>should make certain members/posters question whether they should even be
>members.
>
>Rant over
>
>David
>KG4ZLB
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
>Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
My Delete key is overheating...tell you anything? Those that do not
cause rules have nothing to worry about. Those that the rules were
made for ...well....I have a delete key ;-)
I am way too busy in my "hobby" to bother with lurkers or
naysayers. For a clue look at my website. Genuine , respectful
debate will not be censored.
73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:01:08 -0600
From: Rocky Jones <orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 5, Issue 25
To: <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, Amsat BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <COL106-W34FDAA7F8D6F967CF4AE6D6680@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Yo Clint
bad comparison. Your house, my house(s) (grin), (insert names) house is
private property with an expectation both in common law, law, and ethics of
privacy.
It is no where near the same as a public board which would not exist without
the funds of members who pay dues. If the AMSAT board members were doing
all the financial lifting for the board with no dues used then there might
be some better comparison...but ...
sorry the comparison is not even close. In fact it is frankly very
poor...about the worst one can have.
nice try. I would have to give you a D minus
Robert WB5MZO life member
> From: clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:06:01 -0800
> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 5, Issue 25
>
> >> ... If you are a member of AMSAT in my view short of threatening death
or shouting fire when there is no fire...you pretty much get to lay ones two
cents on the line ...
>
> Yo, Robert - I'm coming over to your house this weekend. No, you didn't
invite me, but I'll show up anyway. I am bringing my sick St. Bernard - he
might mess up the carpet a little until he gets well. I might stay a week or
so, I dunno. I kinda like that artwork on your mantle - I think I'll take it
home with me when I leave. Sorry about the spilled Pina Colada stain on the
rug - I get excited while watching San Diego Chargers football. And I
knocked a hole in the wall of that back bedroom - to feed some cabling
through for the portable tower I brought with me. The smoke damage from that
little fire I accidentally started in the kitchen won't cost you too much in
repairs - and the awful smell will go away in a year or so, no biggie. Hey -
the fridge is now empty - great Omaha steaks, by the way ... and I used up
all your charcoal ...
>
> No, Robert, you would not welcome my presence in your house. You would ban
me for life. You'd change the locks and have a restraining order issued.
>
> A private club's (i.e., one not sponsored by the government) membership
message board can be set up in any way its officials decide. Those that are
not allowed in have no legal recourse. Heck, there was a post today right
here that - if *I* were moderating the system - would never have been seen
by anyone else.
>
> And so it goes ....
>
> Clint Bradford, K6LCS
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:03:09 -0600
From: Rocky Jones <orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Board
To: <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, Amsat BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <COL106-W58C19FE3D9D471025366FAD6680@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Clint...being on a listening tour and doing the will of the people are two
different items.
I have no doubt that any elected representative you have takes your calls,
emails...etc...that is different from responding to them by actually voting
that way.
Amsat is an organization that has produced very little of value in terms of
working satellites in a long time
Robert WB5MZO life member
> From: clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:16:18 -0800
> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Board
>
> >> ... The AMSAT BOD is more or less acting, in my view, like our
politicians in Washington ie once they are elected they are to busy to
listen to the people who make up the group ...
>
> Your membership experience in AMSAT - and in our democracy - is way
different than mine.
>
> I send an email on an issue to an AMSAT board member, and I receive a
written reply in a reasonable amount of time. EVERY time.
>
> I pick up the telephone and get right through to the legislative aide I
know at my US Senator's office - 45 hours a week, any time.
>
> For local issues, I can speak with either of two assistants to my county
supervisor during the week. I have the home phone number of one of them.
>
> These entities are not "too busy to listen" to me.
>
> Developing effective communication skills may be a key in how effective
one's message is. And if that message contains what the AMSAT BOD has
identified as objectionable (" ... Illegal ... Insulting, abusive,
harassing, or threatening ... Knowingly false or misrepresentative ... " )
then that messenger needs to clean up his/her act.
>
>
>
> Clint Bradfiord, K6LCS
> AMSAT area coordinator, AMSAT benefactor
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:03:49 -0600
From: Rocky Jones <orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: It's NOT Censorship
To: <kl7uw@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, <kg4zlb@xxxxx.xxx>, Amsat BB
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <COL106-W43953422A3573D93482C41D6680@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
lol
Robert WB5MZO life member
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:55:09 -0900
> To: kg4zlb@xxxxx.xxxx amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> From: kl7uw@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: It's NOT Censorship
>
> At 02:09 PM 1/15/2010, David - KG4ZLB wrote:
> >It's not altogether surprising that this topic is being discussed but
> >really folks, lets look at the facts!
> >
> >The whole issue revolves around just a few members/posters who
> >continually try and push the boundaries on what is a large list with
> >respected and influential members all over the World.
> >
> >We all know who they are; the ones that immediately post a facetious
> >reply to a newbie question, the ones that post one line,or worse still,
> >one word answers that are ambiguous at best and downright rude at worst;
> >the ones that take childish delight in trying to elicit the maximum
> >controversy with seemingly innocuous postings. We know who they are and
> >they know who they are and the laws of defamation restrict me in naming
> >them!
> >
> >There is a delete key on your keyboard; there are message filters built
> >in to your e-mail client and if you really get offended then there is
> >always the "un-subscribe" route.
> >
> >But if anyone on the list ever gets to having to be warned by AMSAT
> >about their conduct on the BB or worse still, be faced with
> >suspension/expulsion from the list then shame on you!
> >
> >For the most part we are all responsible adults involved in a fairly
> >expensive hobby (note "hobby") that is both highly technical and to most
> >people, quite complicated. If anyone feels that they can do a better job
> >than anyone on the current Board then by all means file a motion of no
> >confidence and see how many fully paid up members back you.
> >
> >Put up or shut up.
> >
> >That we have even had to come to an Acceptable Use Policy for this board
> >should make certain members/posters question whether they should even be
> >members.
> >
> >Rant over
> >
> >David
> >KG4ZLB
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> >Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> >Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
> My Delete key is overheating...tell you anything? Those that do not
> cause rules have nothing to worry about. Those that the rules were
> made for ...well....I have a delete key ;-)
> I am way too busy in my "hobby" to bother with lurkers or
> naysayers. For a clue look at my website. Genuine , respectful
> debate will not be censored.
>
>
> 73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45
> ======================================
> BP40IQ 500 KHz - 10-GHz www.kl7uw.com
> 500-KHz/CW, 144-MHz EME, 1296-MHz EME
> DUBUS Magazine USA Rep dubususa@xxxxxxx.xxx
> ======================================
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 07:02:44 +0000 (UTC)
From: Bob- W7LRD <w7lrd@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: It's NOT Censorship
To: David M0ZLB <kg4zlb@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Well said David, now a new subject matter gets the delete key.
DX-ing on AO-7
Bob W7LRD
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From: "David - KG4ZLB" <kg4zlb@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 3:09:28 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: It's NOT Censorship
It's not altogether surprising that this topic is being discussed but
really folks, lets look at the facts!
The whole issue revolves around just a few members/posters who
continually try and push the boundaries on what is a large list with
respected and influential members all over the World.
We all know who they are; the ones that immediately post a facetious
reply to a newbie question, the ones that post one line,or worse still,
one word answers that are ambiguous at best and downright rude at worst;
the ones that take childish delight in trying to elicit the maximum
controversy with seemingly innocuous postings. We know who they are and
they know who they are and the laws of defamation restrict me in naming
them!
There is a delete key on your keyboard; there are message filters built
in to your e-mail client and if you really get offended then there is
always the "un-subscribe" route.
But if anyone on the list ever gets to having to be warned by AMSAT
about their conduct on the BB or worse still, be faced with
suspension/expulsion from the list then shame on you!
For the most part we are all responsible adults involved in a fairly
expensive hobby (note "hobby") that is both highly technical and to most
people, quite complicated. If anyone feels that they can do a better job
than anyone on the current Board then by all means file a motion of no
confidence and see how many fully paid up members back you.
Put up or shut up.
That we have even had to come to an Acceptable Use Policy for this board
should make certain members/posters question whether they should even be
members.
Rant over
David
KG4ZLB
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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 03:28:56 -0500
From: Timothy Pickett <timp@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: It's NOT Censorship
To: Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
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Hi All,
I mostly just read the messages on the -bb, I don't post one very often. But
I just wanted to offer my support for the AUP also. It has been needed for a
long time. The problem people on here need to quit making problems, and just
take action if they think they can do better. Run for BoD or whatever to
shape the group into what they would like to see instead of crying about how
things are ran now.
73 de Tim KG8OC Life Member
On Jan 15, 2010, at 7:29 PM, Andrew Glasbrenner wrote:
> Steve Meuse wrote:
>> When you are using the private resources of the AMSAT corporation, they
can do whatever they like.
>>
>> That's not censorship, that's protecting their own resources.
>>
>> I, for one, welcome our new mailing list overlords :)
>>
>>
>> -Steve
>>
>>
> Spot on Steve, along with David's earlier post.
>
> Hell, we even allow non-members to complain about the free services we
> provide. Just keep it civil and productive. Look at this thread and
> you'll find at least one already who's never been a paying member.
>
> 73, Drew KO4MA
>
> PS I voted yes for the AUP, and probably pushed hardest for it to be
> implemented. Feel free to vote me out or run against me next election if
> you object. And if you are a member. Personal communications has been
> about 20 to 1 in favor of the taming of -bb.
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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 10:32:41 +0100
From: "Danny Casier" <Danny.casier@xxxxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] SO67 no activity heard
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The pass over europ at 9:18 16-jan-10:
Repeater not heard
Beacon not heard.
73
Dan ON5UE
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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:41:22 +0900
From: "Mineo Wakita" <ei7m-wkt@xxxxxxxxx.xx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re^2: FO-29 schedule Jan, Feb.
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The TX will be ON till the Voltage Controller (UVC) decided to
switch OFF. Now FO-29 is still in eclipses.
For example, if the TX will be switched on at 2100 UTC on Jan 16,
then it will be switched off by UVC at 21:24 UTC due entering
the eclipse. I understand it from the chart below.
Black boxes are the eclipses. Yellow means sunlight (percent of
illumination). You can see that FO-29 is not free of eclipses but
they are getting more and more shorter.
FO-29 is will be switched on after a eclipse and UVC will switch
off if the satellite enters the eclipse (a black box). And you
can see the last eclipse will be on Feb 08 at 00:15 UTC -> after
then we have no eclipses anymore.
You can also use a satellite software like Orbitron to simulate
the orbit and the satellite illumination.
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/hamradio/je9pel/00116f29.jpg
Tnx. DK3WN, Mike
JE9PEL, Mineo Wakita
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