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Today's Topics:
1. Re: It's NOT Censorship (Clint Bradford)
2. No downlink only carrier !! hope-1 last pass over africa!
(Nader Omer)
3. Re: AMSAT adopts Acceptable Use Policy for mailing lists
(Rocky Jones)
4. Re: It's NOT Censorship (Rocky Jones)
5. Re: It's NOT Censorship (Clint Bradford)
6. Re: No downlink only carrier !! hope-1 last pass over africa!
( Fco. Jim?nez-Mart?n S?nchez )
7. problem with ho68? tx carrier only (paul robinson)
8. FT3000m on FM sats (John Geiger)
9. WG: No downlink only carrier !! hope-1 last pass over africa!
(Mike Rupprecht)
10. Re: FO-29 anyone (Vince Fiscus, KB7ADL)
11. Re: It's NOT Censorship (Peter Scheller)
12. Re: FO-29 anyone (Peter Scheller)
13. Re: It's NOT Censorship (Joel Black)
14. Re: It's NOT Censorship (Clint Bradford)
15. Re: HO-68 Schedule Jan 17-24 (Bruce Robertson)
16. Re: It's NOT Censorship (Jack K.)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:15:59 -0800
From: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: It's NOT Censorship
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <E53A6B41-2205-4369-AA38-2FF065731BB0@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>> ... Censorship in any form without external control is unacceptable ...
AMSAT is not "censoring" anyone. In America, only the government is not
allowed to "censor" folks. You know, that First Amendment thingie:
"Congress shall make no law respecting ... abridging the freedom of speech
... "
This messagegroup - and millions of others - is a private party. NOT
government-run nor sponsored. We're mere visitors entering and using it, and
we have to abide by its rules - else we go elsewhere. Like guests in your
home, there's an expected set of rules for behavior, and AMSAT just laid
them out in black and white.
Similar to a Web site's "user service agreement" - a concept and device I've
been using for my sites' visitors for over twenty years. A properly-drafted
user service agreement spells out what I promise to you as the Web site
owner, and what I expect from you as a visitor. Kinda like shaking hands
before you peruse my sites.
Clint Bradford, K6LCS
http://www.k6lcs.com
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:42:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Nader Omer <st2nh@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] No downlink only carrier !! hope-1 last pass over
africa!
To: amsat bb bb <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <729998.52263.qm@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Completely strong carrier on 435.675 mhz, No fm downlink or packet
througth?all the pass!!
?
orbit #417 time 2015 -2038 loc kk65gp
beacon cw was in 2 different tones?
x ponder is off
?
?
schedule info
?
15 Jan. 2010
HO-68 FM and Digital Transponder
20:15?Turn On
South Africa,Middle East Asia,Europe,NA,North Pole, North As
21:00?Turn Off
?
?
73 de nader
?
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:43:06 -0600
From: Rocky Jones <orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT adopts Acceptable Use Policy for mailing
lists
To: <rwmcgwier@xxxxx.xxx>, Amsat BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <COL106-W36F0F3BCBB046816E2BC51D6690@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
This is almost farcical. Unable to launch effective satellites and more or
less flailing as an organization the board has now turned to a acceptable
use policy which is so broad as to be useless...it boils down to "things we
like are good and things we dont like are bad".
entertaining
Robert WB5MZO (All posts should include the author's first name and call
sign, or full name if not currently licensed.) I will add "Life member"
> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:11:41 -0500
> From: rwmcgwier@xxxxx.xxx
> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT adopts Acceptable Use Policy for mailing lists
>
> This is welcome and it took entirely too long. Its effectiveness will
> entirely be determined by enforcement: swift and sure.
>
>
> 73's
> Bob
> N4HY
>
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:54:50 -0600
From: Rocky Jones <orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: It's NOT Censorship
To: <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, Amsat BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <COL106-W4F6175A2A72AE9B75FE9BD6690@xxx.xxx>
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Clint. I dont agree with much of that.
I agree that the 1st amendment only applies to government at all levels
(through the 14th)...but moderating the discussion to delete such things as
"death threats" or whatever is far different then moderating it to put a
particular group or sub group in a better light. I dont see any evidence of
that yet, but the "guidelines" are so broad as to be meaningless.
This is what I really disagree with.
>
> This messagegroup - and millions of others - is a private party. NOT
government-run nor sponsored. We're mere visitors entering and using it, and
we have to abide by its rules - else we go elsewhere. Like guests in your
home, there's an expected set of rules for behavior, and AMSAT just laid
them out in black and white.
>
> Clint Bradford, K6LCS
> http://www.k6lcs.com
not really. AMSAT is a private group, but a group of members. If you are a
member of AMSAT in my view short of threatening death or shouting fire when
there is no fire...you pretty much get to lay ones two cents on the line.
The AMSAT BOD is more or less acting, in my view, like our politicians in
Washington ie once they are elected they are to busy to listen to the people
who make up the group.
Robert WB5MZO Life member
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:57:22 -0800
From: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: It's NOT Censorship
To: Rocky Jones <orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: Amsat BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <30D5597E-5B77-4D50-8F37-FA391E87BEEA@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>> ... but the "guidelines" are so broad as to be meaningless ...
I see the guidelines as a verbose version of:
Be a responsible citizen of the planet.
Clint
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:01:25 +0100
From: " Fco. Jim?nez-Mart?n S?nchez " <ea1jm.fran@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: No downlink only carrier !! hope-1 last pass
over africa!
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <4b50d7a8.0508d00a.1e90.0a0b@xx.xxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
The same over IN70jv, snip,
Regards from Spain,
Fran EA1JM
-----Mensaje original-----
De: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx En nombre
de Nader Omer
Enviado el: viernes, 15 de enero de 2010 21:42
Para: amsat bb bb
Asunto: [amsat-bb] No downlink only carrier !! hope-1 last pass over africa!
Completely strong carrier on 435.675 mhz, No fm downlink or packet througth
all the pass!!
orbit #417 time 2015 -2038 loc kk65gp
beacon cw was in 2 different tones?
x ponder is off
schedule info
15 Jan. 2010
HO-68 FM and Digital Transponder
20:15?Turn On
South Africa,Middle East Asia,Europe,NA,North Pole, North As
21:00?Turn Off
73 de nader
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:06:14 +0000 (GMT)
From: paul robinson <pushbiker2004@xxxxx.xx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] problem with ho68? tx carrier only
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <654619.36368.qm@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
yes like wise over europe 20.20 no trafic just tx carrier of ho68 very
strong on its down link frq.all pass, de paul 2E1EUB
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:15:35 -0800 (PST)
From: John Geiger <aa5jg@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] FT3000m on FM sats
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <666954.32158.qm@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Has anyone on the list used a Yaesu FT3000M on the Mode J FM sats? Does it
have pretty good receive sensitivity for the birds? Can it do full duplex,
where you can hear your own downlink? What I have seen written about it
seems to indicate that it can. Any other comments-good or bad-about this
model?
73s John AA5JG
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:26:56 +0100
From: "Mike Rupprecht" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] WG: No downlink only carrier !! hope-1 last pass
over africa!
To: "'AMSAT BB'" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <001001ca9629$76d84170$6488c450$@xx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Hi Nader,
... confirm that.
At 20:34 UTC over Europe ? FM transponder should be active ? but we heard
only a strong carrier
The following telemetry was heard during the pass:
BJ1SA XW XW TTT TAT AU6 TTT ETT U4D TT4 BET EBT TTT TTT VE6 ETT XW XW
BJ1SA XW XW TTT TAT AU6 TTT ETT UET TT4 BET EBT TTT TTT VE6 ETT XW XW
BJ1SA XW XW TTT TAT AUB TTT ETT UET TT4 BET EBT TTT TTT VE6 ETT XW XW
BJ1SA XW XW TTT TAT AUB TTT ETT UET TT4 BET EBT TTT TTT VE6 ETT XW XW
BJ1SA XW XW TTT TAT AUB TTT ETT U4D TT4 BET EBT TTT TTT VE6 ETT XW XW
PA Output RF Switch Status : PA1 Works (Transponder and Beacon)
Transponder Working Status : Beacon and FM Transponder
Transponder Temperature : 26 C
Beacon RF Output Power : 0 mW
Beacon Power Supply Volts : 5 V
Receiver Power Supply Curr : 248 mA
Linear Transponder ACG Volts : 0.04 V
Transponder RF Output Power : 2250 mW
Transponder PA Curr : 570 mA
Linear Transponder Up Conv : 0 mA
Linear Transponder Volts : 0 V
FM Dig S/F Transponder Curr : 356 mA
FM Dig S/F Transponder Volts : 5 V
73, Mike
DK3WN
-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx Im
Auftrag von Nader Omer
Gesendet: Freitag, 15. Januar 2010 21:42
An: amsat bb bb
Betreff: [amsat-bb] No downlink only carrier !! hope-1 last pass over africa!
Completely strong carrier on 435.675 mhz, No fm downlink or packet througth
all the pass!!
orbit #417 time 2015 -2038 loc kk65gp
beacon cw was in 2 different tones?
x ponder is off
schedule info
15 Jan. 2010
HO-68 FM and Digital Transponder
20:15?Turn On
South Africa,Middle East Asia,Europe,NA,North Pole, North As
21:00?Turn Off
73 de nader
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:40:09 -0700
From: "Vince Fiscus, KB7ADL" <vlfiscus@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 anyone
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100115143455.00c35930@xxx.xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
At 11:56 AM 1/16/2010 -0800, Dave Guimont <dguimon1@xxx.xx.xxx> wrote:
>Any body within fo-29 shot of San Diego, CA??
>
>I have a pass here beginning ~ 0235Z 17jan10....
>
>It is about 3 orbits after Mineo's predicted turn on time, but I'm
>going to give it a shot....
>
>Leo, Art, Allen,????
>
>I really deplore using this media to make a ham contact, as has been
>done to death here, but guess that's the way it is until ESA comes up
>with something...
>
>Hope everyone is sending them a few bucks now and then...
>
>
>
>
>
> 73, Dave, WB6LLO
Hi Dave,
If I get home from work in time, I'll work you. :) I always listen for you
on the linear transponders, but we must be on at odd times. I think the
last time we worked was in a round table on AO-40. Be neat to hear you again.
73, KB7ADL
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:52:11 -1000
From: Peter Scheller <nh6vb@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: It's NOT Censorship
To: <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, amsat-bb <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <BAY141-W1580E9D159816E1B70EDC8E1690@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Right on Clint. Bad behavior used to get you a spanking as a kid. Since
things have changed now,
some (now) grown ups have missed out on etiquette.
Peter NH6VB
> From: clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:15:59 -0800
> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: It's NOT Censorship
>
> >> ... Censorship in any form without external control is unacceptable ...
>
> AMSAT is not "censoring" anyone. In America, only the government is not
allowed to "censor" folks. You know, that First Amendment thingie:
>
> "Congress shall make no law respecting ... abridging the freedom of speech
... "
>
> This messagegroup - and millions of others - is a private party. NOT
government-run nor sponsored. We're mere visitors entering and using it, and
we have to abide by its rules - else we go elsewhere. Like guests in your
home, there's an expected set of rules for behavior, and AMSAT just laid
them out in black and white.
>
> Similar to a Web site's "user service agreement" - a concept and device
I've been using for my sites' visitors for over twenty years. A
properly-drafted user service agreement spells out what I promise to you as
the Web site owner, and what I expect from you as a visitor. Kinda like
shaking hands before you peruse my sites.
>
> Clint Bradford, K6LCS
> http://www.k6lcs.com
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:14:16 -1000
From: Peter Scheller <nh6vb@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 anyone
To: <vlfiscus@xxx.xxx>, amsat-bb <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <BAY141-W21785A23468331C84702C1E1690@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
I double checked the predicted pass of FO-29 and found that F0-29 is above
Northern Central Russia at 02:35Z. Footprint touching San Diego about 02:52Z
and CONUS fully illuminated at 09:52Z.
Is there something wrong with my SatPC32 prediction? I used current Keps.
Please advise and thanks in advance!
Peter NH6VB
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:40:09 -0700
> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> From: vlfiscus@xxx.xxx
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 anyone
>
> At 11:56 AM 1/16/2010 -0800, Dave Guimont <dguimon1@xxx.xx.xxx> wrote:
> >Any body within fo-29 shot of San Diego, CA??
> >
> >I have a pass here beginning ~ 0235Z 17jan10....
> >
> >It is about 3 orbits after Mineo's predicted turn on time, but I'm
> >going to give it a shot....
> >
> >Leo, Art, Allen,????
> >
> >I really deplore using this media to make a ham contact, as has been
> >done to death here, but guess that's the way it is until ESA comes up
> >with something...
> >
> >Hope everyone is sending them a few bucks now and then...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 73, Dave, WB6LLO
>
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> If I get home from work in time, I'll work you. :) I always listen for you
> on the linear transponders, but we must be on at odd times. I think the
> last time we worked was in a round table on AO-40. Be neat to hear you
again.
>
> 73, KB7ADL
>
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:29:03 -0600
From: Joel Black <jbblack68@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: It's NOT Censorship
To: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4B50EC2F.5040604@xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
I agree that if you don't like how things are being run:
1. leave,
2. vote out the BoD and vote in new, or
3. form your own organization.
What I disagree with is the statement, "AMSAT is not 'censoring' anyone."
Now, I'm no lawyer by any stretch, but I can read. Censoring is
limiting speech based on what one finds objectionable. What is
objectionable is completely subjective.
"Abridging the freedom of speech" is how it is worded in the First
Amendment. Abridging also means limiting. So, whether you call it
censorship or abridging, what the AMSAT BoD has done is censorship.
In the end, it's your $44.
73,
Joel, W4JBB
Clint Bradford wrote:
>>> ... Censorship in any form without external control is unacceptable ...
>>>
>
> AMSAT is not "censoring" anyone. In America, only the government is not
allowed to "censor" folks. You know, that First Amendment thingie:
>
> "Congress shall make no law respecting ... abridging the freedom of speech
... "
>
> This messagegroup - and millions of others - is a private party. NOT
government-run nor sponsored. We're mere visitors entering and using it, and
we have to abide by its rules - else we go elsewhere. Like guests in your
home, there's an expected set of rules for behavior, and AMSAT just laid
them out in black and white.
>
> Similar to a Web site's "user service agreement" - a concept and device
I've been using for my sites' visitors for over twenty years. A
properly-drafted user service agreement spells out what I promise to you as
the Web site owner, and what I expect from you as a visitor. Kinda like
shaking hands before you peruse my sites.
>
> Clint Bradford, K6LCS
> http://www.k6lcs.com
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
>
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:37:59 -0800
From: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: It's NOT Censorship
To: Joel Black <jbblack68@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <C813CB57-A715-429D-853F-853F547DEAAF@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>> So, whether you call it censorship or abridging, what the AMSAT BoD has
done is censorship ...
Last time I looked, AMSAT was not an arm of the United States government.
They are not censoring anyone. They are moderating and controlling their
messagegroups. This is a private party - NOT a government-run entity.
People love screaming, "Censorship!!!' any time they perceive they've been
wronged. But read the rules of membership in this newsgroup. And you have
the choice to "open the door," enter, and be welcomed, or not be a member.
I dare say there's no one here who has been involved in online legal issues
and telecommunications law than I have (1990). And what AMSAT is doing
doesn't infringe upon my rights in any manner.
Background and history of your online rights and responsibilities is
available at ... http://www.eff.org
Clint, K6LCS
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:56:24 -0400
From: Bruce Robertson <ve9qrp@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: HO-68 Schedule Jan 17-24
To: i8cvs <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx>
Cc: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID:
<49657a761001151456w3c6d9531q24baa6eceed18d90@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
I've often thought that it would make sense for us as a community to
work toward the following:
1. Predictable mode changes based on simple parameters that extend
forward in time. These would include 'every other week' (as below), or
'all even days', or 'when above 40 deg. N'.
2. Scripting 'hooks' for our tracking programs, whereby the mode of a
satellite could be programmed by a scripting language such as Lua,
Ruby, etc.
Then, as as community we could write the scripts that automate the
selection of modes based on #1 published by the satellite groups, and
we'd have a slightly more automatic process: SatPC32 would, for
instance, not automatically go to AO-27 when in auto mode unless it
were in an operational mode. I recognize that this isn't going to work
well with commissioning or with the testing mode that FO-29 is in
right now, but it's worth a thought.
73, Bruce VE9QRP
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 7:22 AM, i8cvs <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx> wrote:
> Hi Alan Kung, BA1DU
>
> Tank you very much for scheduling HO-68 only FM and Digital
> Transponder for the full week from jan 17 to jan 24
>
> Similarly for the next week from Jan 24 to Jan 31 we expect to
> have only the Linear Transponder scheduled for the full week !
>
> Tank you very much for your cooperation.
>
> 73" de
>
> i8CVS Domenico
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alan Kung" <alankung@xxxxxxx.xxx.xxx.xx>
> To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:56 AM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] HO-68 Schedule Jan 17-24
>
>
>> 17 Jan. 2010
>> HO-68 FM and Digital Transponder
>> 16:15...Turn On
>> India,Middle East Asia, Europe, NA
>> 17:00...Turn Off
>>
>> 17 Jan. 2010
>> HO-68 FM and Digital Transponder
>> 23:25...Turn On
>> South Africa,South America,Europe,
>> NA,North Pole,North Asia
>> 00:10...Turn Off
>>
>> 18 Jan. 2010
>> HO-68 FM and Digital Transponder
>> 10:10...Turn On
>> Australia,South Pole, New Zealand, East Asia,
>> North Asia,Europe,North Pole,NA
>> 10:55...Turn Off
>>
>> 18 Jan. 2010
>> HO-68 FM and Digital Transponder
>> 12:20...Turn On
>> Australia,South Asia,East Asia,North Asia
>> 12:35...Turn Off
>>
>> 18 Jan. 2010
>> HO-68 FM and Digital Transponder
>> 19:25...Turn On
>> South Africa,Europe,NA,North Pole,North Asia
>> 20:10...Turn Off
>>
>> 18 Jan. 2010
>> HO-68 FM and Digital Transponder
>> 23:15...Turn On
>> South America,NA,Europe,North Asia
>> 24:00...Turn Off
>>
>> 19 Jan. 2010
>> HO-68 FM and Digital Transponder
>> 11:40...Turn On
>> South Pole, Australia,New Zealand,South Asia
>> 11:56...Turn Off
>>
>> 19 Jan. 2010
>> HO-68 FM and Digital Transponder
>> 13:51...Turn On
>> Australia,South Asia,East Asia, North Asia
>> 14:07...Turn Off
>>
>> 19 Jan. 2010
>> HO-68 FM and Digital Transponder
>> 19:10...Turn On
>> Africa,NA,North Asia
>> 19:55...Turn Off
>>
>> 19 Jan. 2010
>> HO-68 FM and Digital Transponder
>> 22:55...Turn On
>> South America,North Africa,NA,North
>> Pole,North Asia
>> 23:40...Turn Off
>>
>> 20 Jan. 2010
>> HO-68 FM and Digital Transponder
>> 11:25...Turn On
>> South Pole,Australia, New Zealand,East Asia
>> 11:48...Turn Off
>>
>> 20 Jan. 2010
>> HO-68 FM and Digital Transponder
>> 13:34...Turn On
>> Australia,South Asia,Est Asia,
>> 13:50...Turn Off
>>
>> 20 Jan. 2010
>> HO-68 FM and Digital Transponder
>> 15:55...Turn On
>> East Africa,Middle East Asia,Europe,NA
>> 16:20...Turn Off
>>
>> 20 Jan. 2010
>> HO-68 FM and Digital Transponder
>> 17:10...Turn On
>> Europe,NA,North Pole,North Asia,East Asia
>> 17:55...Turn Off
>>
>> 21 Jan. 2010
>> HO-68 FM and Digital Transponder
>> 11:05...Turn On
>> South Pole,Australia, New Zealand
>> 11:27...Turn Off
>>
>> 21 Jan. 2010
>> HO-68 FM and Digital Transponder
>> 13:14...Turn On
>> South Asia,East Asia,North Asia
>> 13:29...Turn Off
>>
>> 21 Jan. 2010
>> HO-68 FM and Digital Transponder
>> 18:45...Turn On
>> South Africa,Europe,NA,North Pole,North Asia
>> 19:30...Turn Off
>>
>> 22 Jan. 2010
>> HO-68 FM and Digital Transponder
>> 00:10...Turn On
>> South America,NA,North Pole,
>> North Asia,East Asia
>> 00:55...Turn Off
>>
>> 22 Jan. 2010
>> HO-68 FM and Digital Transponder
>> 10:50...Turn On
>> Oceania,South Asia,East Asia,
>> North Asia,Europe,NA
>> 11:35...Turn Off
>>
>> 22 Jan. 2010
>> HO-68 FM and Digital Transponder
>> 13:30...Turn On
>> Oceania,South Asia,Middle Asia,
>> Europe,North Pole
>> 14:15...Turn Off
>>
>> 22 Jan. 2010
>> HO-68 FM and Digital Transponder
>> 16:40...Turn On
>> Africa,Middle East Asia,Europe,
>> NA,North Pole,North Asia
>> 17:25...Turn Off
>>
>> 23 Jan. 2010
>> HO-68 FM and Digital Transponder
>> 01:30...Turn On
>> North Africa,Europe,North Pole,NA,North Asia,
>> East Asia
>> 02:15...Turn Off
>>
>> 23 Jan. 2010
>> HO-68 FM and Digital Transponder
>> 02:23...Turn On
>> North Asia, East Asia,South Asia,Oceania
>> 02:39...Turn Off
>>
>> 23 Jan. 2010
>> HO-68 FM and Digital Transponder
>> 03:20...Turn On
>> South America,NA,North Asia,North Pole
>> 03:09...Turn Off
>>
>> 23 Jan. 2010
>> HO-68 FM and Digital Transponder
>> 23:35...Turn On
>> South America,NA,Europe,North Pole,
>> North Asia,East Asia
>> 00:20...Turn Off
>>
>> 24 Jan. 2010
>> HO-68 FM and Digital Transponder
>> 00:30...Turn On
>> South Asia,Australia,New Zealand
>> 00:50...Turn Off
>>
>> 24 Jan. 2010
>> HO-68 FM and Digital Transponder
>> 01:10...Turn On
>> South America,NA,North Asia,North Pole
>> 01:55...Turn Off
>>
>> 24 Jan. 2010
>> HO-68 FM and Digital Transponder
>> 03:51...Turn On
>> North Asia,East Asia,South Asia
>> 04:06...Turn Off
>>
>> 73
>> Alan Kung, BA1DU
>> HO-68(XW-1) Project Manager
>> www.camsat.cn
>>
>>
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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:08:50 -0700
From: "Jack K." <kd1pe.1@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: It's NOT Censorship
To: "Clint Bradford" <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, "Joel Black"
<jbblack68@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <1B8E8848753342F59B691E00BE9353B2@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sounds like a good definition for "elitist" rule to me, however you coat
something, remember at the core is the seed you began with, if all you are
looking for is "yea" Sayers then "moderating" a BB is an excellent
beginning.
De KD1PE
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From: "Clint Bradford" <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 3:37 PM
To: "Joel Black" <jbblack68@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: It's NOT Censorship
>>> So, whether you call it censorship or abridging, what the AMSAT BoD has
>>> done is censorship ...
>
> Last time I looked, AMSAT was not an arm of the United States government.
>
> They are not censoring anyone. They are moderating and controlling their
> messagegroups. This is a private party - NOT a government-run entity.
>
> People love screaming, "Censorship!!!' any time they perceive they've been
> wronged. But read the rules of membership in this newsgroup. And you have
> the choice to "open the door," enter, and be welcomed, or not be a member.
>
> I dare say there's no one here who has been involved in online legal
> issues and telecommunications law than I have (1990). And what AMSAT is
> doing doesn't infringe upon my rights in any manner.
>
> Background and history of your online rights and responsibilities is
> available at ... http://www.eff.org
>
> Clint, K6LCS
>
>
>
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