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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Satellites need to be open source (Luc Leblanc)
2. How configure a TS2000 for SO67 (ON5UE)
3. Re: Satellites need to be open source (Andrew Glasbrenner)
4. Re: Re: [amsat-bb] AO-7? (ps8rf Piraja)
5. Selling up. (Dave Aitch)
6. Re: AO-7 (ps8rf Piraja)
7. SO-67 14Nov2009 1350Z (John Papay)
8. Re: How configure a TS2000 for SO67 (Erich Eichmann)
9. SO-67 14Nov2009 1521z Audio (John Papay)
10. Re: SO-67 14Nov2009 1521z Audio (Alan P. Biddle)
11. Re: Satellites need to be open source (John B. Stephensen)
12. Re: Satellites need to be open source (Samudra Haque)
13. Re: Satellites need to be open source (Samudra Haque N3RDX & S21X)
14. Re: SO-67 14Nov2009 1521z Audio (Glenn AA5PK)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 23:43:12 -0500
From: Luc Leblanc <lucleblanc6@xxxxxxxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Satellites need to be open source
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Cc: eu-amsat@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4AFDEF10.11350.303680A@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xx>
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On 13 Nov 2009 at 18:04, John B. Stephensen wrote:
Date sent: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:04:52 +0000
From: "John B. Stephensen" <kd6ozh@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: Satellites need to be open source
To: Luc Leblanc <lucleblanc6@xxxxxxxxx.xx>, amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Copies to: eu-amsat@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx
> Since you are in Canada you don't have to worry about U.S. laws.
>
> 73,
>
> John
> KD6OZH
Good question John
I can govern myself as i put my my head in the sand ignoring the rest of the
world but i have a hobby who make's me communicate through a
medium called "satellite" and those satellites ignore the frontier or the
boundaries. There is a wide concensus about extending those
geographical limitations using a satellite with a highly elliptical orbit
namely called HEO. There is one in the making in Germany just
near to be completed and a WORLDWIDE AMATEUR RADIO SPIRIT is needed to help
them to complete and launch this new HEO.
I'm worried so much about amateur radio satellite that i suggested numerous
ideas in the past in a way to help finding a replacement for AO-
40. Could be i'm wrong but i'm only asking AMSAT-NA and namely his BOD to
disclose the papers/letters condemning AMSAT-NA and or his BOD or
staff for ITAR violations.
I'm guessing at the last general AMSAT-NA meeting the BOD put in the
members assembly notes the copy of those letters from the ITAR
afficionados? If not it will a great help for us and for all the US amateur
radio operators to see where they can be wrong in their actions
regarding ITAR.
You are right when you wrote "you don't have to worry about U.S. laws" it's
not of my concern but i'm asking only for a disclosure of the
condemning letter coming from ITAR about presuming rules violation by
AMSAT-NA.
All the AMSAT financial report are already available on AMSAT-NA web site
why not put copy of those letters on the web site? it will not
hurt anyone but it will be a great help for all of those who wants to
exchange stuff with US hams and probably numerous US hams who are
probably in a huge void actually about what they can do or not.
When i got a speeding ticket i have a piece of paper and AMSAT-NA probably
got one or two letters also?
What do you think about that John?
"-"
Luc Leblanc VE2DWE
Skype VE2DWE
www.qsl.net/ve2dwe
DSTAR urcall VE2DWE
WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 14:38:12 +0100
From: "ON5UE" <on5ue@xxxxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] How configure a TS2000 for SO67
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <D26EE7B988C34039B75EA0A0D7C85E24@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Hello sathams.
I've tested and found out that CTSS tone in a TS2000 in sat-mode can't by
set.
Neither via a satprogram.
But how to configure the TS2000 to work SO67
Set sat mode off
Set split off
Set the main VFO for uplink 145.875MHz
Set to FMN mode
Push the CTSS button and CT must appear in de main VFO display.
Push sequelly FUNC and CTSS/SEL button and select 233.6kHz by turning the
MULTI/CH knob
Push sequelly FUNC and CTSS/SEL button again to enter the CTSS tone.
Push the SUB button.
Push the CTRL button so the CTRL-indicator appear on the VFO B display.
Select the 70cm-band by using the + and - buttons.
Set to FMN mode
Press the 1MHz button en use the MULTI/CH knob to adjust.
Finaly use the tunerknob to finetune the frequentie 435.345MHz.
Make sure the step is 5kHz.
Turn down the MAIN AF.
Turn up the SUB AF.
Listen with a headset so there is no sing arround when you transmit.
Use less power as possible. ( EU?)
Cu on sats.
73
Dan
ON5UE
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 08:46:23 -0500
From: Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Satellites need to be open source
To: Luc Leblanc <lucleblanc6@xxxxxxxxx.xx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4AFEB4AF.2050500@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> .
>
> I'm guessing at the last general AMSAT-NA meeting the BOD put in the
members assembly notes the copy of those letters from the ITAR
> afficionados? If not it will a great help for us and for all the US
amateur radio operators to see where they can be wrong in their actions
> regarding ITAR.
>
> You are right when you wrote "you don't have to worry about U.S. laws"
it's not of my concern but i'm asking only for a disclosure of the
> condemning letter coming from ITAR about presuming rules violation by
AMSAT-NA.
>
> All the AMSAT financial report are already available on AMSAT-NA web site
why not put copy of those letters on the web site? it will not
> hurt anyone but it will be a great help for all of those who wants to
exchange stuff with US hams and probably numerous US hams who are
> probably in a huge void actually about what they can do or not.
>
Unfortunately, ITAR and the federal government doesn't work that way in
this case. When AMSAT filed a voluntary disclosure describing our
activities, including P3E, the Directorate of Defense Trade Controls
replied that we had indeed violated ITAR. The frustrating part is that
they did not identify what activities were violations and which were
not. It does not help the situation that AMSAT is not the normal
scenario that they deal with, and as is common with government, it is
easier for them to say no than to say yes. So, despite being given a
pass on our past activities we are still without firm guidance on how to
move forward without risking repeat violations, and the very real threat
of jail or fines. Personally, there is no AMSAT project conceivable to
me that would be worth even the slightest chance of being deprived of my
liberty.
All of the interaction with the government regarding ITAR costs very
real money that we don't have much of now. At some point there is a
decision to be made whether to continue to expend resources on ITAR
issues, or to avoid them as much as possible and concentrate on domestic
projects only.
Luc, if you want me to participate in further conversations about this
or other topics, keep this conversation sane. The minute it devolves to
the normal BOD-bashing I will QRT.
73, Drew KO4MA
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 16:53:08 +0300
From: ps8rf Piraja <ps8rf@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: Re: [amsat-bb] AO-7?
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <SNT121-W342F1B2D8B2274F1DDB0CBE0A70@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Hello Tim,
Greetings. It is an excellent idea, tomorrow we will be active on AO-7 to
share this historic day for the satellite communications for amateur radio.
73,
Piraj?, PS8RF
_________________________________________________________________
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 14:00:52 -0000
From: "Dave Aitch" <dave@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Selling up.
To: "'amsat-bb'" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <006401ca6532$e0cd6dd0$a2684970$@xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Complete satellite station for sale.
ICOM 910HX
ICOM SM-10 Desk mic.
DSP2232
G5600B Az/El Rotator
All (4) antennas from VHF to 2.4GHz.
U.K. only please.
Make me an offer for the whole lot.
Dave. G1OCN.
AMSAT UK 5766
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 17:02:49 +0300
From: ps8rf Piraja <ps8rf@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-7
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <SNT121-W52E4795DF6E5309AE1CD04E0A70@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hello Tim,
Greetings. It is an excellent idea, tomorrow we will be active on AO-7 to
share this historic day for the satellite communications for amateur radio.
73,
Piraj?, PS8RF
_________________________________________________________________
Novo site do Windows Live: Novidades, dicas dos produtos e muito mais.
Conhe?a!
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:21:36 -0500
From: John Papay <john@xxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] SO-67 14Nov2009 1350Z
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <235214.41682.qm@xxxxxxx.xxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
An audio recording of the SO-67 Eastern USA pass
on 14Nov2009 1350z is on my webserver. The audio
is a little loud because I had the TS2000 in the
narrow mode and did not adjust the recorder input
level to compensate for it. My tx and rx audio
was in the FM Narrow mode on the TS2000. The
repeater still seems to turn off most of the time
after a few seconds of transmission. Lots of
carriers mixing and most likely affecting the
PL decoder.
Some of the stations heard were: WB8OTH, AB2EZ, VA2SS,
W2JTS, VE3NPC, N5UXT, KB1RVT, N8MS, N3TL, WA4NVM, KO4MA
K8ZFN? and more.
The received signal level was very strong during the entire
pass.
http://www.papays.com/SO-67_14Nov2009_134744z.mp3
73,
John K8YSE
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 15:59:22 +0100
From: "Erich Eichmann" <erich.eichmann@xxxxxxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: How configure a TS2000 for SO67
To: "ON5UE" <on5ue@xxxxxx.xx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <A25B1C0A63C24025858AA4B8EDB2D57D@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
Hallo Danny,
the TS-2000 sub tone function works also in satellite mode (I have a
TS-2000). You need a firmware update. If I remember correctly it was the
latest.
To steer the sub tone function via SatPC32 you need the following entry in
the file SubTone.SQF (the file can be opened and edited from the menu "?",
"Auxiliary Files"):
SO-67,233.6,$01,36
The decimal value 233.6 is used by the Icom radios and the Yaesu half duplex
radios FT-817/857/897.
The 2nd value (hex. 01) is the Code of the FT-847 for a 233.6 Hz sub tone.
With the FT-736R it would be $20.
The 3rd value dec. 36 is the code of the TS-2000 for a 233.6 Hz sub tone.
In Doppler.SQF I have the following data line for SO-67:
SO-67,435345,145875,FM,FMN,NOR,0,0
The frequencies are the latest I read on AMSAT-BB.
The new program version 12.8a supports also FMN mode with the TS-2000.
73s, Erich DK1TB
----- Original Message -----
From: "ON5UE" <on5ue@xxxxxx.xx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 2:38 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] How configure a TS2000 for SO67
> Hello sathams.
>
>
>
> I've tested and found out that CTSS tone in a TS2000 in sat-mode can't by
> set.
>
> Neither via a satprogram.
>
>
>
> But how to configure the TS2000 to work SO67
>
> Set sat mode off
>
> Set split off
>
> Set the main VFO for uplink 145.875MHz
>
> Set to FMN mode
>
> Push the CTSS button and CT must appear in de main VFO display.
>
> Push sequelly FUNC and CTSS/SEL button and select 233.6kHz by turning the
> MULTI/CH knob
>
> Push sequelly FUNC and CTSS/SEL button again to enter the CTSS tone.
>
> Push the SUB button.
>
> Push the CTRL button so the CTRL-indicator appear on the VFO B display.
>
> Select the 70cm-band by using the + and - buttons.
>
> Set to FMN mode
>
> Press the 1MHz button en use the MULTI/CH knob to adjust.
>
> Finaly use the tunerknob to finetune the frequentie 435.345MHz.
>
> Make sure the step is 5kHz.
>
> Turn down the MAIN AF.
>
> Turn up the SUB AF.
>
> Listen with a headset so there is no sing arround when you transmit.
>
> Use less power as possible. ( EU?)
>
>
>
> Cu on sats.
>
> 73
>
> Dan
>
> ON5UE
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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>
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 10:45:04 -0500
From: John Papay <john@xxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] SO-67 14Nov2009 1521z Audio
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <301469.66680.qm@xxxxxxx.xxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
The central USA pass was much like the eastern pass.
Signals from the satellite were very strong. Audio
was very loud, even on the wideband rx setting on the
TS2000. Audio cut off after a few seconds of transmission
was prevalent. It seems that it took several seconds for
the audio to come back when this happened. Lots of stations
on the bird including KC8ZFN, KD8CAO, WB8OTH, WC7V, WA4NVM,
KB1RVT, WA4SCA, KB0RZD, N5AFV, WD9EWK, N5UXT, WB2IOL, KF9L,
AA5PK and others. The bird went over the horizon before it
turned off.
http://www.papays.com/SO-67_14Nov2009_152116z.mp3
The next Western USA pass is not visible in Cleveland.
73,
John K8YSE EN91dh
John Papay
john@xxxxxx.xxx
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 10:13:41 -0600
From: "Alan P. Biddle" <APBIDDLE@xxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: SO-67 14Nov2009 1521z Audio
To: "AMSAT-BB" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <A66DFBF853C54593A76283F8F689B176@xxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Thanks John,
It would be very interesting to hear from other parts of the world where
only 1-2 stations are on whether the dropouts are similar. That would help
clarify the situation. SO-50 has similar dropouts, and AO-51 did as well
when the PL access was enabled.
Alan
WA4SCA
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of John Papay
Sent: 14 November, 2009 09:45
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] SO-67 14Nov2009 1521z Audio
The central USA pass was much like the eastern pass.
Signals from the satellite were very strong. Audio
was very loud, even on the wideband rx setting on the
TS2000. Audio cut off after a few seconds of transmission
was prevalent. It seems that it took several seconds for
the audio to come back when this happened. Lots of stations
on the bird including KC8ZFN, KD8CAO, WB8OTH, WC7V, WA4NVM,
KB1RVT, WA4SCA, KB0RZD, N5AFV, WD9EWK, N5UXT, WB2IOL, KF9L,
AA5PK and others. The bird went over the horizon before it
turned off.
http://www.papays.com/SO-67_14Nov2009_152116z.mp3
The next Western USA pass is not visible in Cleveland.
73,
John K8YSE EN91dh
John Papay
john@xxxxxx.xxx
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:42:34 -0000
From: "John B. Stephensen" <kd6ozh@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Satellites need to be open source
To: "Luc Leblanc" <lucleblanc6@xxxxxxxxx.xx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: eu-amsat@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <6C9E930F2FB446E79B36EAF951861AFF@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
AMSAT-NA has aleady disclosed everything that people need to know which is
that U.S. residents need government permission to contribute technically to
a foreign satellite project and the foreign nationals may be required to
sign agreements that they will obey U.S. rules. The text of ITAR is feely
available on the web by doing a Google search. There's no reason to disclose
any dunning letters from the government.
73,
John
KD6OZH
----- Original Message -----
From: "Luc Leblanc" <lucleblanc6@xxxxxxxxx.xx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: <eu-amsat@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 04:43 UTC
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Satellites need to be open source
> On 13 Nov 2009 at 18:04, John B. Stephensen wrote:
>
> Date sent: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:04:52 +0000
> From: "John B. Stephensen" <kd6ozh@xxxxxxx.xxx>
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: Satellites need to be open source
> To: Luc Leblanc <lucleblanc6@xxxxxxxxx.xx>, amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Copies to: eu-amsat@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx
>
>> Since you are in Canada you don't have to worry about U.S. laws.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> John
>> KD6OZH
>
>
> Good question John
>
> I can govern myself as i put my my head in the sand ignoring the rest of
> the world but i have a hobby who make's me communicate through a
> medium called "satellite" and those satellites ignore the frontier or the
> boundaries. There is a wide concensus about extending those
> geographical limitations using a satellite with a highly elliptical orbit
> namely called HEO. There is one in the making in Germany just
> near to be completed and a WORLDWIDE AMATEUR RADIO SPIRIT is needed to
> help them to complete and launch this new HEO.
>
> I'm worried so much about amateur radio satellite that i suggested
> numerous ideas in the past in a way to help finding a replacement for AO-
> 40. Could be i'm wrong but i'm only asking AMSAT-NA and namely his BOD to
> disclose the papers/letters condemning AMSAT-NA and or his BOD or
> staff for ITAR violations.
>
> I'm guessing at the last general AMSAT-NA meeting the BOD put in the
> members assembly notes the copy of those letters from the ITAR
> afficionados? If not it will a great help for us and for all the US
> amateur radio operators to see where they can be wrong in their actions
> regarding ITAR.
>
> You are right when you wrote "you don't have to worry about U.S. laws"
> it's not of my concern but i'm asking only for a disclosure of the
> condemning letter coming from ITAR about presuming rules violation by
> AMSAT-NA.
>
> All the AMSAT financial report are already available on AMSAT-NA web site
> why not put copy of those letters on the web site? it will not
> hurt anyone but it will be a great help for all of those who wants to
> exchange stuff with US hams and probably numerous US hams who are
> probably in a huge void actually about what they can do or not.
>
> When i got a speeding ticket i have a piece of paper and AMSAT-NA probably
> got one or two letters also?
>
> What do you think about that John?
>
>
>
> "-"
>
>
> Luc Leblanc VE2DWE
> Skype VE2DWE
> www.qsl.net/ve2dwe
> DSTAR urcall VE2DWE
> WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
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> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 10:42:19 -0500
From: Samudra Haque <samudra.haque@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Satellites need to be open source
To: "John B. Stephensen" <kd6ozh@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx eu-amsat@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Actually, in the eyes of ITAR administrators, I am sure the act of a
"foreign national" asking publicly for ""sensitive"" technology matters such
as the details of construction for satellites could raise more than a few
eyebrows.
If an individual wishes to come to the US and obtain publicly available
journals/research papers that is sold by an institution such as AIAA, IEEE
which contains basic discoveries and CANNOT results that can be utilized
directly in building satellites, ITAR actually allows that. For information,
read the ITAR links I have posted earlier. However, for questions that
specifically target "How do you"... the individual may want to be careful as
not to get to become an interesting target of inquiry by a variety of
agencies looking for moles.
An example from another industry: If you go to visit UK as a US national,
all is fine, no visa required. However if you are a foreign national living
in the US, you have to go through a biometric investigation and a complete
biography review (dad/mom/children/job) before a visa is issued and the data
is kept for *10 years* and shared with other governments, regardless of the
type of visit or duration (1 day to many days). I shudder to think if an
international person were to be identified in a public way of being
inquisitive and interested to obtain ITAR classified documents, and boasting
about it publicly on an open website - what would happen if they were the
target of U.S. Gov't action ?
http://mae.pennnet.com/display_article/366108/32/ARTCL/none/EXCON/1/ITAR-compl
iance:-ignorance-of-defense-export-regulations-is-no-excuse/
Luc, specifically, your questions may be answered by Page 17 onwards of the
following presentation:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=8&ved=0CCAQFjAH&url=http%3
A%2F%2Fwww.rensselaer.org%2Fdept%2Ffinance%2Fdocs%2Fresearch%2FExportControls.
ppt&ei=As7-Sru0M4nVlQe7leXeDA&usg=AFQjCNFBnvL3w7kFLP9yEdVeYU72Qxh7Vg&sig2=xd-u
2jP9cmuJy_1a4j-8WQ
However, if you insist that you want to know something now that is still in
the laboratory R&D process and not yet published that is not going to help
in the setup of an ITAR compliance system at AMSAT and I would like to ask
you not to pursue that track. You can always subscribe to academic journals
(AIAA, IEEE) to obtain the results of published, and ITAR cleared,
research). AMSAT journals are only collated, and are not referred rigorously
! Hopefully they will change to a more peer reviewed model in the future.
Samudra N3RDX
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 1:04 PM, John B. Stephensen <kd6ozh@xxxxxxx.xxx>wrote:
> Since you are in Canada you don't have to worry about U.S. laws.
>
> 73,
>
> John
> KD6OZH
> over
>
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 10:44:20 -0500
From: "Samudra Haque N3RDX & S21X" <n3rdx@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Satellites need to be open source
To: "John B. Stephensen" <kd6ozh@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx eu-amsat@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx
Message-ID:
<d8c724880911140744w60b542e4mbc301b690601d187@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
resend due to origin address snafu
On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Samudra Haque
<samudra.haque@xxxxx.xxx>wrote:
> Actually, in the eyes of ITAR administrators, I am sure the act of a
> "foreign national" asking publicly for ""sensitive"" technology matters such
> as the details of construction for satellites could raise more than a few
> eyebrows.
>
> If an individual wishes to come to the US and obtain publicly available
> journals/research papers that is sold by an institution such as AIAA, IEEE
> which contains basic discoveries and CANNOT results that can be utilized
> directly in building satellites, ITAR actually allows that. For information,
> read the ITAR links I have posted earlier. However, for questions that
> specifically target "How do you"... the individual may want to be careful as
> not to get to become an interesting target of inquiry by a variety of
> agencies looking for moles.
>
> An example from another industry: If you go to visit UK as a US national,
> all is fine, no visa required. However if you are a foreign national living
> in the US, you have to go through a biometric investigation and a complete
> biography review (dad/mom/children/job) before a visa is issued and the data
> is kept for *10 years* and shared with other governments, regardless of the
> type of visit or duration (1 day to many days). I shudder to think if an
> international person were to be identified in a public way of being
> inquisitive and interested to obtain ITAR classified documents, and boasting
> about it publicly on an open website - what would happen if they were the
> target of U.S. Gov't action ?
>
>
>
http://mae.pennnet.com/display_article/366108/32/ARTCL/none/EXCON/1/ITAR-compl
iance:-ignorance-of-defense-export-regulations-is-no-excuse/
>
> Luc, specifically, your questions may be answered by Page 17 onwards of the
> following presentation:
>
>
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=8&ved=0CCAQFjAH&url=http%3
A%2F%2Fwww.rensselaer.org%2Fdept%2Ffinance%2Fdocs%2Fresearch%2FExportControls.
ppt&ei=As7-Sru0M4nVlQe7leXeDA&usg=AFQjCNFBnvL3w7kFLP9yEdVeYU72Qxh7Vg&sig2=xd-u
2jP9cmuJy_1a4j-8WQ
>
> However, if you insist that you want to know something now that is still in
> the laboratory R&D process and not yet published that is not going to help
> in the setup of an ITAR compliance system at AMSAT and I would like to ask
> you not to pursue that track. You can always subscribe to academic journals
> (AIAA, IEEE) to obtain the results of published, and ITAR cleared,
> research). AMSAT journals are only collated, and are not referred rigorously
> ! Hopefully they will change to a more peer reviewed model in the future.
>
>
> Samudra N3RDX
>
> On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 1:04 PM, John B. Stephensen
<kd6ozh@xxxxxxx.xxx>wrote:
>
>> Since you are in Canada you don't have to worry about U.S. laws.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> John
>> KD6OZH
>> over
>>
>
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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 13:02:28 -0600
From: "Glenn AA5PK" <aa5pk@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: SO-67 14Nov2009 1521z Audio
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: John Papay <john@xxxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <310789F901DA40D5A16FB925E43165A2@xxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
Here's my recording of the Western USA pass recorded at DM91 and beginning
at 1700 Max elevation was 10 degrees.
<http://pages.suddenlink.net/aa5pk/SO-67_1700Z_14_Nov_09.MP3>
I wasn't ignoring those calling me, I just wasn't able to get in...
73 de Glenn AA5PK
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Papay" <john@xxxxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 9:45 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] SO-67 14Nov2009 1521z Audio
> The central USA pass was much like the eastern pass.
> Signals from the satellite were very strong. Audio
> was very loud, even on the wideband rx setting on the
> TS2000. Audio cut off after a few seconds of transmission
> was prevalent. It seems that it took several seconds for
> the audio to come back when this happened. Lots of stations
> on the bird including KC8ZFN, KD8CAO, WB8OTH, WC7V, WA4NVM,
> KB1RVT, WA4SCA, KB0RZD, N5AFV, WD9EWK, N5UXT, WB2IOL, KF9L,
> AA5PK and others. The bird went over the horizon before it
> turned off.
>
> http://www.papays.com/SO-67_14Nov2009_152116z.mp3
>
> The next Western USA pass is not visible in Cleveland.
>
> 73,
> John K8YSE EN91dh
>
>
> John Papay
> john@xxxxxx.xxx
>
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