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Today's Topics:
1. Re: SatPC32 upgrade (Tim Goodrich)
2. Re: AMSAT NextGen Program Progress (Rocky Jones)
3. Re: So is P3E essentially dead at this point? (John B. Stephensen)
4. GWSS Small Satellites Panel: Updated Flyer
(Samudra Haque N3RDX & S21X)
5. 2009 Field Day results (Luc Leblanc)
6. Re: So is P3E essentially dead at this point? (Robin Theunis)
7. Milliwatt 2-way contact (Tim - N3TL)
8. Milliwat 2-way contact (Peter)
9. Re: Milliwatt 2-way contact (David H. Jordan)
10. Hudson Valley Satcom group Net Will not be available tonight
on Echolionk (Cotejaune2@xxx.xxxx
11. EM03 (ted)
12. Re: GWSS Small Satellites Panel: Updated Flyer
(Samudra Haque N3RDX & S21X)
13. Satellites need to be open source (Robin Theunis)
14. Re: Satellites need to be open source (Bill Ress)
15. Re: Milliwatt 2-way contact (Tony Langdon)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:10:33 -0800
From: "Tim Goodrich" <tim@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: SatPC32 upgrade
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <002c01ca635e$d8a77810$89f66830$@xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Thanks so much Erich! I tried it, but unfortunately, I'm having the same
problem as the last version where it eats 99% of system resources and I have
to shut it down because it is unusable. This wasn't happening to me a while
back, so I'm inclined to think it's just me, but has anyone else experienced
this?
Between this and the bug in HRD with the 817, I have no reliable way to use
software to Doppler tune the radio and work the sats :(
Tim
KI6VBY
-----Original Message-----
From: Erich Eichmann [mailto:erich.eichmann@xxxxxxxx.xxx
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:59 PM
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32 upgrade
Hello,
I have uploaded an upgrade of SatPC32 (V. 12.8a) on my website
http://www.dk1tb.de
The changes can be seen here:
http://www.dk1tb.de/Changes128a.txt
I hope it works.
73s, Erich, DK1TB
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:38:14 -0600
From: Rocky Jones <orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT NextGen Program Progress
To: <amsat@xxxxxx.xxx>, Amsat BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <COL106-W52C572284FE8DF96FE3CC0D6A90@xxx.xxx>
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Alex and Joanne...thanks for the correction...sorry I misread
Robert WB5MZO
> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:22:02 -0500
> From: amsat@xxxxxx.xxx
> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT NextGen Program Progress
>
> > So Arisssat or suitsat 2 whatever it is called is now going to be
> ready at the end of 2010?
>
> >
> > Robert WB5MZO
>
> I said that we would be in a good position to have a NextGen 2U or 3U
> CubeSat satellite ready for a launch opportunity anytime after late 2010.
> It's up to the AMSAT BoD to
> (a) decide to launch any NextGen satellite
> (b) raise the money to launch a NextGen satellite
>
> I don't remember saying anything about ARISSat-1's launch opportunities,
> I'm not the ARISSat Program Manager.
>
> Alex, N3NP
>
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:46:28 -0000
From: "John B. Stephensen" <kd6ozh@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: So is P3E essentially dead at this point?
To: "Luc Leblanc" <lucleblanc6@xxxxxxxxx.xx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: eu-amsat@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx
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I had to deal with ITAR issues at a previous employer, with assistance from
a lawyer who was a specialist in this area, and everything that AMSAT-NA
officials have said sounds correct to me.
73,
John
KD6OZH
----- Original Message -----
From: "Luc Leblanc" <lucleblanc6@xxxxxxxxx.xx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: <eu-amsat@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 03:11 UTC
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: So is P3E essentially dead at this point?
On 10 Nov 2009 at 22:39, Peter Guelzow wrote:
Date sent: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:39:39 +0100
From: Peter Guelzow <peter.guelzow@xxxxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: So is P3E essentially dead at this point?
To: APBIDDLE@xxxxxxx.xxx
Copies to: 'Amsat BB' <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Excerpts:
> Substantial progress was recently made on the new IHU-3 and getting IPS
> working on it, the S/C operating system used on all previous P3
> satellites.
> The new IHU-3 is not only essential for P3-E, but also for the P5-A Mars
> mission..
> Due to some problems discussed here before, we had to find new people in
> our own team to do the work.
> We had some good articles in our past AMSAT-DL Journal, I hope
> translations will find their's way into other magazines...
>
> 73s
> Peter, DB2OS
>
This ITAR new strategic issue still does not added up correctly here... as
the translation from our German friends who are not present at
all on the AMSAT-NA web site when we can read a lot of english translated
articles on AMSAT-DL web site.
Bill wrote in a previous thread:
>As stated earlier, ITAR applies equally to universities, NASA, members
>of the military except when specific State Department
>exemptions/agreements are in place.
>
>Regards...Bill - N6GHz
Could be as he also wrote:
>It's just that most
>AMSAT-NA satellite builders were unaware of ITAR issues related to
>satellites, and just what can and cannot be done to be compliant.
The builders where not aware but what about NASA? Just read this 2001
special bulletin on the AO-40 GPS experiment. SPONSORED BY NASA!!!
Special Bulletin AO-40
* Subject: [amsat-bb] Special Bulletin AO-40
* From: VEFRH@xxxxxxx
* Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 09:26:37 EDT
ANS is pleased to report that the GPS experiment on AO-40 has undergone
successful testing. This experiment supplied and sponsored by NASA, is to
determine if it is possible to get positional data outside of the GPS ring
of
satellites.
There are two GPS receivers on AO-40, the A receiver for receiving signals
around apogee and the B receiver for signal reception around perigee. Both
receivers are operational, and Data is passed from the receivers through the
RUDAK to the S-band transmitter.
Jim White WD0E, has been the AMSAT coordinator and chief operator for this
activity, reports that "we received a signal on the apogee receiver from
about 52 Thousand Kilometres out with good signal levels, further data is
being gathered and those downloaded so far are being analysed.
Frank Bauer KA3HDO, AMSAT-VP Human Spaceflight Programs, and instrumental
in
setting up the GPS experiment, said "If this experiment goes the way I
expect, it will revolutionise the way we use GPS in Space. Many future HEO
spacecraft will be able to take advantage of GPS for autonomous navigation
and stationkeeping".
AMSAT President Robin Haighton, VE3FRH, was delighted with the news of the
GPS success, and commented that "It is great to be able to help our friends
at NASA. Testing this experiment has been a long time in coming, and we were
worried that radiation may have damaged the GPS receivers. Now at last we
have a very positive result from this important experiment."
Stay tuned to ANS for further details as they become available.
ANS Editor Dan James (N0DJ@xxxxx.xxxx
If i don't believe ITAR is not a convenient tool used to stay away from any
international cooperation keeping the funds for the last AMSAT-
NA cube project the "1U CubeSat" there is a huge PR problem within AMSAT-NA
who seems to rely on lawyers trying to explain an open P3E and
P5-A project and what security issues theses 2 projects can represent to the
national security?
Knock knock instead of trying to find a way to fit AMSAT-NA in ITAR with
exceptions, why not working the reverse way in explaining where
are the security issues in the AMSAT-NA mission and actions? or asking them?
I can believe wearing steel pants i will be quite protected from any
potential/invisible external hasard but in doing so i'm exposing
myself to a real visible and well documented internal steel pants issue...
I now know where " the snow will hit the fan" came! It was coming from a
hi-rise ventilation worker wearing steel pants.
P.S."This evening?s November 7, 2009 shipment of the first two Soyuz
vehicles from Russia to the Spaceport in French Guiana brings
Arianespace one step closer to the next major expansion of its growing
commercial launcher family." Is there will be some free ballast
available for an amateur HEO?
"-"
Luc Leblanc VE2DWE
Skype VE2DWE
www.qsl.net/ve2dwe
DSTAR urcall VE2DWE
WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:48:43 -0500
From: "Samudra Haque N3RDX & S21X" <n3rdx@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] GWSS Small Satellites Panel: Updated Flyer
To: Amsat-bb <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID:
<d8c724880911111048o43742624v378be80785670d85@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Attention all DC/MD/VA/DE Amsat members:
Our own, Frank Bauer, KA3HDO and Chief Engineer, Exploration Systems Mission
Directorate will be speaking at an event hosted by George Washington Space
Society at the Elliot School of International Affairs on Thursday, November
12 at 1930 ET. See attached flyer!
If you are going, hope to see you there..
73 Samudra, N3RDX
RSVP or inquiries:
>
> Kirk Woellert, Research Assistant
> Space Policy Institute
> The George Washington University
> 1957 E St., NW Suite 403
> Washington, D.C 20052
>
> email: kdwoell@xxxxxxx.xxx
>
> (703) 732-5339 (cel)
>
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:29:38 -0500
From: Luc Leblanc <lucleblanc6@xxxxxxxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] 2009 Field Day results
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4AFAD862.16024.14E0D07@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
With the 1 satellite QSO bonus our local amateur radio club VE2CBS got the
fist Canadian position in the 1A QRP battery and 1A commercial
class in the 2009 Field Day. My satellite QSO count for 100 points and was
the incentive for one operator to buy a Yaesu FT-847 with an
arrow just hope he will get some time to try his first satellite QSO soon!
Here is the 1A battery and 1A commercial scores
1A Battery
HDW QRP Club W5YA 968 5 6 10,425 NM
Chew?s Ridge Gang K6MI 751 5 6 8,420 SCV
Manti CC NC7X 619 5 4 7,040 UT
Bear Mountain QRP Group WA5Y 525 5 10 5,575 NM
Southwest OH DX & QRP Assn AE8M 552 5 4 4,990 OH
QCWA Fresno Chapter 213 W6GV 387 5 3 4,220 SJV
The Hapless Dinks K1SWL 290 5 3 3,400 NH
Hawaii QRP Club KH6AA 223 5 16 2,980PAC
Minnesota QRP Society WQ?RP 233 5 19 2,955 MN
Hiawatha / Falls City ARC K?JKS 261 5 22 2,465 KS
Albany ARC KK4PQ 161 5 4 1,505 GA
ARC Sorel / Tracy **** VE2CBS 116 5 10 1,340 QC
Green Mountain Boys WA1QGC 99 5 3 1,185 VT
Solder Monkeys W7FC 59 5 8 840 OR
KE2UK 129 5 3 820 NLI
Club Radio Amateur St Hyacinthe VE2CAM 34 5 5 535 QC
1A Commercial
Callaway ARL KS?B 350 2 8 1,750 MO
K5PN 452 2 30 1,514 MS
Treaty City ARA W8UMD 859 1 22 1,447 OH
CRALL VE2CRL 345 2 18 1,016 QC
Pathfinders ARC VA4PAR 204 2 15 598 MB
Macon ARC W4BKM 55 2 15 160 GA
Operators of Portable K7RLL 52 2 3 104 VA
Radio Equipment N?DLM 26 2 3 102 AZ
Congratulations to all the Sorel-Tracy VE2CBS ARC 2009 Field Day operators.
"-"
Luc Leblanc VE2DWE
President of Sorel-Tracy VE2CBS ARC.
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 11:15:00 +0100
From: Robin Theunis <robint91@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: So is P3E essentially dead at this point?
To: "John B. Stephensen" <kd6ozh@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID:
<c7a9c4130911120215y294c5d07xe42b284a50da5c80@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
The ITAR-rules is one of the biggest carp ever.
The solution is to MAKE EVERYTHING OPEN SOURCE:
Make a website where every amateur can download the schematics, pcbs
layouts, software,... This will be a great help.
Make your designs more open. Every amateur will benefit from this action.
For example:
An ham radio organisation wants to build a satellite. Is cost alot in
research and devolpemt in the receivers and transmitters. We can
overcome this problem by reusing design for other satellite.
They want a 2M FM reciever. AO-51 has a 2M reciever. Why we can't use
that design? They want also a S band FM transmitter. idem ditto of
AO-51. But they want an other house keeping unit. Which they build
themselves.
Then they put it in a 1U cube sat, wait for a launch opportunity. And
we have a nice bird.
I thought over this problem.
73
Robin
ON8RTH
2009/11/11 John B. Stephensen <kd6ozh@xxxxxxx.xxx>:
> I had to deal with ITAR issues at a previous employer, with assistance from
> a lawyer who was a specialist in this area, and everything that AMSAT-NA
> officials have said sounds correct to me.
>
> 73,
>
> John
> KD6OZH
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Luc Leblanc" <lucleblanc6@xxxxxxxxx.xx>
> To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> Cc: <eu-amsat@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 03:11 UTC
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: So is P3E essentially dead at this point?
>
>
> On 10 Nov 2009 at 22:39, Peter Guelzow wrote:
>
> Date sent: ? ? ?Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:39:39 +0100
> From: ? ? ? ? ? Peter Guelzow <peter.guelzow@xxxxxx.xx>
> Subject: ? ? ? ?[amsat-bb] Re: So is P3E essentially dead at this point?
> To: ? ? ? ? ? ? APBIDDLE@xxxxxxx.xxx
> Copies to: ? ? ?'Amsat BB' <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
>
> Excerpts:
>
>> Substantial progress was recently made on the new IHU-3 and getting IPS
>> working on it, the S/C operating system used on all previous P3
>> satellites.
>> The new IHU-3 is not only essential for P3-E, but also for the P5-A Mars
>> mission..
>> Due to some problems discussed here before, we had to find new people in
>> our own team to do the work.
>> We had some good articles in our past AMSAT-DL Journal, I hope
>> translations will find their's way into other magazines...
>>
>> 73s
>> Peter, DB2OS
>>
> This ITAR new strategic issue still does not added up correctly here... as
> the translation from our German friends who are not present at
> all on the AMSAT-NA web site when we can read a lot of english translated
> articles on AMSAT-DL web site.
>
> Bill wrote in a previous thread:
>
>>As stated earlier, ITAR applies equally to universities, NASA, members
>>of the military except when specific State Department
>>exemptions/agreements are in place.
>>
>>Regards...Bill - N6GHz
>
> Could be as he also wrote:
>
>>It's just that most
>>AMSAT-NA satellite builders were unaware of ITAR issues related to
>>satellites, and just what can and cannot be done to be compliant.
>
> The builders where not aware but what about NASA? ?Just read this 2001
> special bulletin on the AO-40 GPS experiment. SPONSORED BY NASA!!!
>
> ?Special Bulletin AO-40
>
> ? ?* Subject: [amsat-bb] Special Bulletin AO-40
> ? ?* From: VEFRH@xxxxxxx
> ? ?* Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 09:26:37 EDT
>
> ANS is pleased to report that the GPS experiment on AO-40 has undergone
> successful testing. This experiment supplied and sponsored by NASA, is to
> determine if it is possible to get positional data outside of the GPS ring
> of
> satellites.
>
> There are two GPS receivers on AO-40, the A receiver ?for receiving signals
> around apogee and the B receiver for signal reception around perigee. Both
> receivers are operational, and Data is passed from the receivers through the
> RUDAK to the S-band transmitter.
>
> Jim White WD0E, has been the AMSAT coordinator and chief operator for this
> activity, reports that "we received a signal on the apogee receiver from
> about 52 Thousand Kilometres out with good signal levels, further data is
> being gathered and those downloaded so far are being analysed.
>
> Frank Bauer KA3HDO, AMSAT-VP Human Spaceflight Programs, and ?instrumental
> in
> setting up the GPS experiment, said "If this experiment goes the way I
> expect, it will revolutionise the way we use GPS in Space. Many future HEO
> spacecraft will be able to take advantage of GPS for autonomous navigation
> and stationkeeping".
>
> AMSAT President Robin Haighton, VE3FRH, was delighted with the news of the
> GPS success, and commented that "It is great to be able to help our friends
> at NASA. Testing this experiment has been a long time in coming, and we were
> worried that radiation may have damaged the GPS receivers. Now at last we
> have a very positive result from this important experiment."
>
> Stay tuned to ANS for further details as they become available.
>
> ANS Editor Dan James (N0DJ@xxxxx.xxxx
>
>
> If i don't believe ITAR is not a convenient tool used to stay away from any
> international cooperation keeping the funds for the last AMSAT-
> NA cube project the "1U CubeSat" there is a huge PR problem within AMSAT-NA
> who seems to rely on lawyers trying to explain an open P3E and
> P5-A project and what security issues theses 2 projects can represent to the
> national security?
>
> Knock knock instead of trying to find a way to fit AMSAT-NA in ITAR with
> exceptions, why not working the reverse way in explaining where
> are the security issues in the AMSAT-NA mission and actions? or asking them?
>
> I can believe wearing steel pants i will be quite protected from any
> potential/invisible external hasard but in doing so i'm exposing
> myself to a real visible and well documented internal steel pants issue...
>
> I now know where " the snow will hit the fan" came! It was coming from a
> hi-rise ventilation worker wearing steel pants.
>
> P.S."This evening?s November 7, 2009 shipment of the first two Soyuz
> vehicles from Russia to the Spaceport in French Guiana brings
> Arianespace one step closer to the next major expansion of its growing
> commercial launcher family." Is there will be some free ballast
> available for an amateur HEO?
>
> "-"
>
>
> Luc Leblanc VE2DWE
> Skype VE2DWE
> www.qsl.net/ve2dwe
> DSTAR urcall VE2DWE
> WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE
>
>
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 05:14:43 -0800 (PST)
From: Tim - N3TL <n3tl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Milliwatt 2-way contact
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <689738.53827.qm@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Hey everyone,
During the 2045-2046 UTC portion of the AO-27 pass over the western U.S.
yesterday (11 November), Sawson (KG6NUB) and I completed a two-way contact
with handheld stations. Each of us?transmitted 50mW (.05-watt) out. Sawson
used?a Kenwood TH-D7 with an Arrow, and I used a Yaesu VX-7R with an Elk.
Including the published, nominal transmitter power of AO-27 (500mW), our
"power budget" for the contact was 600mW, or .6-watt.
We didn't?use?a specially scheduled QRP pair of frequencies to complete the
contact. We were in the middle of all the other stations working the pass,
and were able to complete a 2-way contact using milliwatt power. I am
grateful to know and work so many truly good operators on the satellites..
They try to give others some space, and it's because of their collective
approach that many passes still are good for milliwatt power.
I especially hope our friends with AMSAT-South Africa will note and pass
along this information in advance of their Activity Weekend, which is coming
up in a couple of days. Their goal is to stimulate interest in and activity
on all of the amateur satellites among South African amateurs. Our FM
satellites are definitely reachable with handheld stations - even those
running 1/10 the power of the satellite itself.
73 to all,
Tim - N3TL
Athens, Ga. - EM84ha
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:11:03 -0500
From: Peter <roi@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Milliwat 2-way contact
To: AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <001601ca63a1$fc5fc620$6901a8c0@xxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252
Tim, Sawson,
Congratulations on your "flee power" contact! Once again experience,
knowledge, patience and the cooperation of good satellite operators triumphs
over power. We should tip our microphones to Tim, N3TL and Sawson (KG6NUB)
for their efforts. I can hear the hiss of rigs being turned on by other
amateur's to experiment and enjoy the hobby, thank you guys, well done!!
73,
Pete, WB2OQQ
NY Area AMSAT Coordinator
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:14:11 +0000
From: "David H. Jordan" <n4csitwo@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Milliwatt 2-way contact
To: "Tim - N3TL" <n3tl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx
"AMSAT-BB" <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID:
<357859052-1258038854-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1001941886-@xxx
xxx.xxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
Very nice work, Tim and Sawson!
Dave, AA4KN
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim - N3TL <n3tl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 05:14:43
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Milliwatt 2-way contact
Hey everyone,
During the 2045-2046 UTC portion of the AO-27 pass over the western U.S.
yesterday (11 November), Sawson (KG6NUB) and I completed a two-way contact
with handheld stations. Each of us?transmitted 50mW (.05-watt) out. Sawson
used?a Kenwood TH-D7 with an Arrow, and I used a Yaesu VX-7R with an Elk.
Including the published, nominal transmitter power of AO-27 (500mW), our
"power budget" for the contact was 600mW, or .6-watt.
We didn't?use?a specially scheduled QRP pair of frequencies to complete the
contact. We were in the middle of all the other stations working the pass,
and were able to complete a 2-way contact using milliwatt power. I am
grateful to know and work so many truly good operators on the satellites..
They try to give others some space, and it's because of their collective
approach that many passes still are good for milliwatt power.
I especially hope our friends with AMSAT-South Africa will note and pass
along this information in advance of their Activity Weekend, which is coming
up in a couple of days. Their goal is to stimulate interest in and activity
on all of the amateur satellites among South African amateurs. Our FM
satellites are definitely reachable with handheld stations - even those
running 1/10 the power of the satellite itself.
73 to all,
Tim - N3TL
Athens, Ga. - EM84ha
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:50:08 EST
From: Cotejaune2@xxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Hudson Valley Satcom group Net Will not be
available tonight on Echolionk
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx nb2f@xxxxx.xxxx roi@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx
wb2llp@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <c57.644c140f.382d88b0@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Hello everyone. The net will not be available tonight on Echolink I was
told by our club
director of engineering. The net scheduled for November 26 will be canceled
due to Thanksgiving. The next net will be on December 10. If you are able
to get into the Mt.Beacon repeater on 146.970 pl 100 join us tonight.
Everyone have a Happy Thanksgiving. Hope to work you on the birds.
73
Gary WA2AQH
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:24:13 -0600
From: ted <aa5ck@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] EM03
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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I will be in EM03 this afternoon and evening and will QSL all contacts,
no return cards needed.
73....ted....aa5ck
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 11:23:17 -0500
From: "Samudra Haque N3RDX & S21X" <n3rdx@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: GWSS Small Satellites Panel: Updated Flyer
To: Amsat-bb <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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Reminder: Event is at 7:30 p.m. today, Thursday!
73, N3RDX
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Samudra Haque N3RDX & S21X <n3rdx@xxxxx.xxx
> wrote:
> Attention all DC/MD/VA/DE Amsat members:
>
> Our own, Frank Bauer, KA3HDO and Chief Engineer, Exploration Systems
> Mission Directorate will be speaking at an event hosted by George Washington
> Space Society at the Elliot School of International Affairs on Thursday,
> November 12 at 1930 ET. See attached flyer!
>
>
> If you are going, hope to see you there..
>
> 73 Samudra, N3RDX
>
> RSVP or inquiries:
>>
>> Kirk Woellert, Research Assistant
>> Space Policy Institute
>> The George Washington University
>> 1957 E St., NW Suite 403
>> Washington, D.C 20052
>>
>> email: kdwoell@xxxxxxx.xxx
>>
>> (703) 732-5339 (cel)
>>
>
>
>
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:17:57 +0100
From: Robin Theunis <robint91@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellites need to be open source
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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I am telling maybe something controversial to you guys but I think
it's this idea is needed for amsat.
The post is made because I had a question to amsat and the satellite
users, builders, controllers,... Why aren't the schematics of AO-7,
AO-51, SO-50,... not posted on the internet?
In these satellites is are huge amount of magnificent design
electronics. Why can't ham-radio amateurs not reuse those design in
other satellites, things.
You will think: "That is simple to say that everything needs to be
opensource but I have worked so long I don't this that other people
just copy it!".
If I design something for Radio amateur, I will shared it. I find it
more important that someone else can use it also. He can make
improvement to my design and so gaining better design/ software.
Do you know many stops the mail has. Any how many of those stop are
thing that run open-source software. I will start. This email is wrote
in Firefox, mailed to Google (which use open source software), the
mail packet is routed at my home. Which is an linksys with standard
open source linux OS. Then is goes to different routers, smtp relay
server which is 9 on 10 a open-source linux server. Then it goes to a
POP3 server of amsat which is al so an open-source linux server.
Opensource in not a bad thing. There are a lot great projects. Ubuntu,
OpenOffice, gpredict, fldigi,...
Why can satellite builders, controllers share the designs, software of
satellite? And if you publish it with the correct license aka GPL,
BSD,... Other amateurs can help, improve, make other satellites with
the same tested designs.
I have a lot of respect of the satellite build at amsat. They have the
know-how. But I in my world I find that everyone can access that
knowledge. In other words no one can own knowledge in my opinion.
Smaller clubs with not so much knowledge can design his own satellite.
I vote for
http://www.opensatellite.com/
I gave you some stuff to thing/discuss over. What is your opinion?
73
ON8RTH
Robin Theunis
http://robin.tussen.be
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:07:53 -0800
From: Bill Ress <bill@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Satellites need to be open source
To: Robin Theunis <robint91@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4AFC4EF9.4090609@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
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Hi Robin,
You apparently don't realize that almost all recent AMSAT-NA designs are
already open sourced and are available on the internet (such as
SuitSat/ARISSAT) or through the AMSAT-NA Journal, the Proceedings and
other publications. You just need to do a little searching.
Legacy satellites, like AO-7, are a little tougher since the concept of
open sourcing and the internet wasn't around then.
Many, though for sure not all, of the University cubesat design details
are also available through their own web sites or through the
cubesat/small satellite workshops.
The information is there. You just need to spend some time searching or
asking for what information you need.
Regards...Bill - N6GHz
Robin Theunis wrote:
> I am telling maybe something controversial to you guys but I think
> it's this idea is needed for amsat.
>
> The post is made because I had a question to amsat and the satellite
> users, builders, controllers,... Why aren't the schematics of AO-7,
> AO-51, SO-50,... not posted on the internet?
> In these satellites is are huge amount of magnificent design
> electronics. Why can't ham-radio amateurs not reuse those design in
> other satellites, things.
> You will think: "That is simple to say that everything needs to be
> opensource but I have worked so long I don't this that other people
> just copy it!".
> If I design something for Radio amateur, I will shared it. I find it
> more important that someone else can use it also. He can make
> improvement to my design and so gaining better design/ software.
>
> Do you know many stops the mail has. Any how many of those stop are
> thing that run open-source software. I will start. This email is wrote
> in Firefox, mailed to Google (which use open source software), the
> mail packet is routed at my home. Which is an linksys with standard
> open source linux OS. Then is goes to different routers, smtp relay
> server which is 9 on 10 a open-source linux server. Then it goes to a
> POP3 server of amsat which is al so an open-source linux server.
>
> Opensource in not a bad thing. There are a lot great projects. Ubuntu,
> OpenOffice, gpredict, fldigi,...
>
> Why can satellite builders, controllers share the designs, software of
> satellite? And if you publish it with the correct license aka GPL,
> BSD,... Other amateurs can help, improve, make other satellites with
> the same tested designs.
> I have a lot of respect of the satellite build at amsat. They have the
> know-how. But I in my world I find that everyone can access that
> knowledge. In other words no one can own knowledge in my opinion.
>
> Smaller clubs with not so much knowledge can design his own satellite.
>
> I vote for
>
> http://www.opensatellite.com/
>
> I gave you some stuff to thing/discuss over. What is your opinion?
>
>
> 73
>
> ON8RTH
> Robin Theunis
>
> http://robin.tussen.be
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 06:39:50 +1100
From: Tony Langdon <vk3jed@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Milliwatt 2-way contact
To: Tim - N3TL <n3tl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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At 12:14 AM 11/13/2009, Tim - N3TL wrote:
>Hey everyone,
>
>During the 2045-2046 UTC portion of the AO-27 pass over the western
>U.S. yesterday (11 November), Sawson (KG6NUB) and I completed a
>two-way contact with handheld stations. Each of us transmitted 50mW
>(.05-watt) out. Sawson used a Kenwood TH-D7 with an Arrow, and I
>used a Yaesu VX-7R with an Elk. Including the published, nominal
>transmitter power of AO-27 (500mW), our "power budget" for the
>contact was 600mW, or .6-watt.
Nice work! I used to use around 200-250mW on UO-14 from time to
time, when that bird was operational, and had no issues getting in at
that power level into a 2 element Yagi. Haven't tried anything
lower, because that's as low as my radios would go. Today, the
lowest power I could manage is around 500 mW. Besides, the antenna's
not back on the air, I have to replace a couple of dodgy SMA-BNC
adapters that don't fit the radios. :(
73 de VK3JED / VK3IRL
http://vkradio.com
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