| |
CX2SA > SATDIG 27.10.09 01:04l 880 Lines 33401 Bytes #999 (0) @ WW
BID : AMSATBB4571
Read: GUEST
Subj: AMSAT-BB-digest V4 571
Path: IZ3LSV<IK2XDE<HB9TVW<DB0ANF<CX2SA
Sent: 091026/2302Z @:CX2SA.LAV.URY.SA #:12419 [Minas] FBB7.00e $:AMSATBB4571
From: CX2SA@CX2SA.LAV.URY.SA
To : SATDIG@WW
Today's Topics:
1. Re: TS-790 and sat comunication (Mark L. Hammond)
2. Re: ITAR is interesting to me (Bob McGwier)
3. FS items (Arrow, PCR-1000, 1.2 GHz module for TS-790).
(Mark L. Hammond)
4. Re: ITAR is interesting to me (Samudra Haque)
5. KiwiSAT Videos + SwissCube (Trevor .)
6. Hopefully - Some ITAR Clarifications. (Bill Ress)
7. Re: Which rotor control to use? (Eric Knaps, ON4HF)
8. Re: Hopefully - Some ITAR Clarifications. (Samudra Haque)
9. Re: Hopefully - Some ITAR Clarifications. (Tony Langdon)
10. Re: TS-790 and sat comunication (i8cvs)
11. Re: Hopefully - Some ITAR Clarifications. (Samudra Haque)
12. Re: Hopefully - Some ITAR Clarifications. (Bill Ress)
13. Re: Hopefully - Some ITAR Clarifications. (Tony Langdon)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Message: 1
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:24:04 -0400
From: "Mark L. Hammond" <marklhammond@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: TS-790 and sat comunication
To: Mario Manissero <mario.manissero@xxxxx.xx>, amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID:
<5d8cecfe0910261224x7dd63f05p6978a62796013e24@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Hello Mario,
For the TS-790, the MAIN band transmits and receives. The SUB band is
receive ONLY.
So, for TS-790 satellite operations, you should use:
MAIN band for Transmitting
SUB band for Receiving
It's a very nice radio for satellite operations! I hope you enjoy it.
73,
Mark N8MH
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:32:07 +0000 (GMT)
From: Mario Manissero <mario.manissero@xxxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] TS-790 and sat comunication
To: AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <388724.67154.qm@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Hello folks,
Recently I have in my station a TS-790 for satellites. In the past the
radio used for this activity was a IC-821. On that radio, for sat
activity, is suggested to use the main band for downlink reception and
the sub band for the uplink. This because the reception in main band
is better instead of sub receiver.
And the radio, when sat mode is selected, allow that configuration.
Now on the TS-790, Have I to follow the same setup?
This because, I have done many attempts to use this radio how the Icom
without results.
Tnx for your time
73 Mario IK1ZQJ
--
Mark L. Hammond [N8MH]
------------------------------
Message: 2
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:37:53 -0400
From: Bob McGwier <rwmcgwier@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ITAR is interesting to me
To: "John P. Toscano" <tosca005@xx.xxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4AE5FA91.3030204@xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Because we asked that we be treated in exactly the manner you described
and were rebuffed.
Bob
John P. Toscano wrote:
> Bob McGwier wrote:
>> ANY aspect dealing with a satellite, software, hardware, ground
>> stations (hardware, software, protocols, etc.), ideas, random
>> ejaculations from a diseased mind or whatever that deals with
>> spacecraft or ground stations are DEEMED EXPORTS when they depart a
>> U.S. citizen and are delivered to a non-U.S. citizen. It is a nearly
>> impossible task to abide by and one that really makes me want to
>> throw my hands up in despair and walk away.
>>
>> There are exceptions for classrooms and courses taught in U.S.
>> university's. A person, even a non-U.S. citizen, who can pay for
>> taking a course, may go and involve themselves in course work, even
>> if it is dealing with the design, construction, and control of
>> spacecraft during the course work. Some of this applies to your
>> earlier questions but for US service academies, there are very few
>> non-U.S. citizens in them.
>
> Bob:
>
> I would not dream of second-guessing you for a moment, since you are
> fully engaged in this stuff and I am simply an interested observer.
>
> However, why doesn't the following quotation directly from the ITAR
> regulations provide the exemption we need? The quotation comes from
> the section that defines what are the items that are covered by ITAR:
>
> ITAR Part 121 - The United States Munitions List
>
> -----------------------< begin quote >-------------------------------
>
> Category XV - Spacecraft Systems and Associated Equipment
>
> *(a) Spacecraft, including communications satellites, remote sensing
> satellites, scientific satellites, research satellites, navigation
> satellites, experimental and multi-mission satellites.
>
> *NOTE TO PARAGRAPH (a): Commercial communications satellites,
> scientific satellites, research satellites, and experimental
> satellites are designated as SME only when the equipment is intended
> for use by the armed forces of any foreign country.
>
> -----------------------< end quote >---------------------------------
>
> Note that SME refers to "Significant Military Equipment"
>
> Paragraph (a) seems to cover everything and anything having to do with
> satellites, but the asterisk and "NOTE" attached to it seems to say
> that an Amateur radio satellite for use by Amateurs instead of foreign
> armed forces should be exempted, doesn't it?
>
> Granted, I realize that we have already lost one argument with ITAR
> about our past cooperation with AMSAT-DL, but is there some compelling
> reason why the lawyers didn't point out this exception?
>
> Just wondering...
> If I had to guess the answer myself, after looking at the horribly
> convoluted language of the small piece of the ITAR regulations that I
> have looked at, there is probably another paragraph elsewhere that
> effectively says, "we were just kidding when we said that it had to be
> used by foreign armed forces, we really mean it to cover everything"
>
> John
> W0JT
>
>
>
--
(Co)Author: DttSP, Quiktrak, PowerSDR, GnuRadio
Member: ARRL, AMSAT, AMSAT-DL, TAPR, Packrats,
NJQRP, QRP ARCI, QCWA, FRC.
"You don't need to see the whole staircase, just
take the first step.", MLK.
Twitter:rwmcgwier
Active: Facebook,Myspace,LinkedIn
------------------------------
Message: 3
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:51:50 -0400
From: "Mark L. Hammond" <marklhammond@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] FS items (Arrow, PCR-1000, 1.2 GHz module for
TS-790).
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID:
<5d8cecfe0910261251p3aaef0cawf335b536d7994ce9@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Hello AMSAT-BB,
I need to pursue a tower/rotor/antenna project. Therefore, I am
selling some items in the shack to help fund the project. The prices
are "fair" and therefore "firm". I'm giving the BB a shot before I
take these to a local hamfest or eBay. Prices do not include
shipping/insurance.
1) Arrow II Antenna 146/437-10WBP Satellite version with built-in
diplexer and split boom. Condition: nearly new, only assembled about
5 times. Elements/boom neatly numbered via label-maker tape. $100 +
shipping/insurance.
2) Icom PCR-1000 receiver. Includes receiver, serial cable, and
power supply. Condition: few minor scuffs/scratches, perfect working
condition. (The variable bandwidth permits reception of 38k4 packet
signals!) $250 + shipping/insurance.
3) UT-10 1.2 GHz L-band module for Kenwood TS-790. This is a
plug-n-play module, about a 5-10 min. no-tuning install. Includes
screws. Condition: Perfect working order, low transmit time, full
10W output. Price: $475 + shipping/insurance.
Please contact me directly offlist at: marklhammond AT gmail DOT com
73,
--
Mark L. Hammond [N8MH]
------------------------------
Message: 4
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:26:04 -0400
From: Samudra Haque <samudra.haque@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ITAR is interesting to me
To: Bill Ress <bill@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID:
<d8c724880910261326h26524552s9ec6cb3b7750a607@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 8:38 PM, Bill Ress <bill@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
This continues to be a real sore spot with
> University research programs on things related to satellites or any of
> the areas subject to ITAR. It's get especially tricky when students,
> which are foreign nationals, try to become involved.
>
> Greg D. wrote:
>> I wonder if we could hook up with a university somewhere? Become part
>> of their graduate program in Astro-something, even get some graduate
>> students to help with the design and manufacture... What sort of
>> restrictions do they have on the definition of a "student"?
>>
>> Just a thought,
>>
>> Greg KO6TH
Hi, I fall into that category (at present) - and did not have any
issue with my affiliation with AMU and recent contact with JPL on
education matters etc. I beg to differ with the doom and gloom
everywhere I see at AMSAT, Bill.
Point: If you are studying at US School, you are either a resident of
the USA or a visitor. All F-1, J-1 Visa holders are visitors. And they
should not be involved in any high technology subjects that are not
within the purview of a published syllabus by their academic
institution. Their academic advisors would need to arrange which
technologies they work with, and what restrictions they will fall
under.
* I don't think these students would be able to find time to join an
AMSAT hobby, but if so, why not, as long as they don't go near a
satellite tech project and stay limited to user mode.
Point: If you are a US Lawful Permanent Resident, ITAR applies and you are OK
Point: If you are a Citizen, ITAR applies and you are OK
Point: If you are a foreign citizen: please don't apply for any ITAR
job, and be *very* careful about what you get your hands on while in
the US borders.
Note: Universities may be able to obtain permission to incorporate
students into ITAR research areas, but that is probably because they
have a good reason to do so (academic campus, partnerships and so on).
This should have nothing to do with AMSAT ever.
What is left is that if we are (amsat-na) limited to sourcing talent
from USA citizens and USA residents, what is the problem here?
To be ITAR compliant, make a self-certification and have it reviewed
by the organisation wanting to work with you.
If it was the case that we could not find talent in the USA (hello...)
then I would be worried. Besides, I'm surprised that you are not
seeming to take any account of the numerous foreign students who come
to the US and obtain legal residency after they graduate, and then
they stay as an LPR for about 5 years, during which they are ITAR
compliant and can work with us.
So, why worry ?
http://mae.pennnet.com/display_article/366112/32/ARTCL/none/EXECW/1/ITAR-viola
tions-have-produced-high-profile-defense-export-penalties/
If any AMSAT-xx body wants to help AMSAT-NA that is of course allowed
and welcome under ITAR, through a TAA; what is wrong with that ? They
can choose to divulge their technology or not, or give cash or not, as
long as the payload flies. For AMSAT-xx wanting help from AMSAT-NA,
then I don't see why they need to be given access to our tech, keeping
in mind the current ITAR regime, unless it was a for a joint
development where they have something, we have something. Then again
the big question is "where is the integration" taking place ? In the
US or abroad ?
Still the big question (for me) is can AMSAT encourage more to join
and volunteer/donate so that US ITAR folks (citizens and LPR) can fly
more missions !
Or, better still, is there a job market for ITAR compliant folks who
want to design spacecraft ?
------------------------------
Message: 5
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:44:44 +0000 (GMT)
From: "Trevor ." <m5aka@xxxxx.xx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] KiwiSAT Videos + SwissCube
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <315303.38776.qm@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
There are 3 KiwiSAT videos on YouTube, see
http://www.southgatearc.org/news/october2009/kiwisat_youtube_video.htm
The downlink forwarder is an application for SwissCube that allows people in
range of the spacecraft to listen and forward the BSFK downlink to the
SwissCube team. Details at
http://swisscube-live.ch/RadioAmateurs/DownlinkForwarder
(note you need to register on the site)
73 Trevor M5AKA
Daily Amateur Radio Email/RSS News: http://www.southgatearc.org/
Email news items to: editor at southgatearc.org
----
------------------------------
Message: 6
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:24:29 -0700
From: Bill Ress <bill@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Hopefully - Some ITAR Clarifications.
To: Samudra Haque <samudra.haque@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4AE6138D.2020702@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Hi Samudra,
No, it's not a doom and gloom attitude anymore within AMSAT-NA. We
understand more today than we did two years ago. It's just that most
AMSAT-NA satellite builders were unaware of ITAR issues related to
satellites, and just what can and cannot be done to be compliant. Export
controlled munitions under ITAR is not something an Amateur Radio
satellite builder would normally ever consider applies to them. AMSAT-NA
is working to create a compliance training program for its satellite
builders (NOT general AMSAT-NA members).
So like any law, in any country, it needs to be first understood, its
applicability considered and if it applies, then complied with.
But you being a legal permanent resident can be involved with AMSAT-NA
satellite projects. Foreign nationals cannot unless permitted by a State
Department approved agreement such as a TAA (Technical Assistance
Agreement).
But ALL US citizens and foreign permanent residents must be very careful
about the more sinister part of ITAR called DEEMED EXPORTS. That's where
you discuss certain ITAR controlled satellite hardware or technology
issues with a foreign national, with which you do not not have a State
Department technical exchange agreement, whether this foreign national
is in this country or you contact them by phone, internet or other forms
of communication. So while you can work on an AMSAT-NA satellite project
that has aspects controlled by ITAR, because you are a legal permanent
resident, you can't email your parents, if they are foreign nationals,
to discuss those ITAR restricted subjects, whether they are in the US or
a foreign country. If you do, it is "deemed to be exported" without ITAR
approval and serious penalties can result.
As stated earlier, ITAR applies equally to universities, NASA, members
of the military except when specific State Department
exemptions/agreements are in place.
Regards...Bill - N6GHz
Samudra Haque wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 8:38 PM, Bill Ress <bill@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> This continues to be a real sore spot with
>> University research programs on things related to satellites or any of
>> the areas subject to ITAR. It's get especially tricky when students,
>> which are foreign nationals, try to become involved.
>>
>
>> Greg D. wrote:
>>> I wonder if we could hook up with a university somewhere? Become part
>>> of their graduate program in Astro-something, even get some graduate
>>> students to help with the design and manufacture... What sort of
>>> restrictions do they have on the definition of a "student"?
>>>
>>> Just a thought,
>>>
>>> Greg KO6TH
>
>
> Hi, I fall into that category (at present) - and did not have any
> issue with my affiliation with AMU and recent contact with JPL on
> education matters etc. I beg to differ with the doom and gloom
> everywhere I see at AMSAT, Bill.
>
> Point: If you are studying at US School, you are either a resident of
> the USA or a visitor. All F-1, J-1 Visa holders are visitors. And they
> should not be involved in any high technology subjects that are not
> within the purview of a published syllabus by their academic
> institution. Their academic advisors would need to arrange which
> technologies they work with, and what restrictions they will fall
> under.
>
> * I don't think these students would be able to find time to join an
> AMSAT hobby, but if so, why not, as long as they don't go near a
> satellite tech project and stay limited to user mode.
>
> Point: If you are a US Lawful Permanent Resident, ITAR applies and you are
OK
> Point: If you are a Citizen, ITAR applies and you are OK
> Point: If you are a foreign citizen: please don't apply for any ITAR
> job, and be *very* careful about what you get your hands on while in
> the US borders.
>
> Note: Universities may be able to obtain permission to incorporate
> students into ITAR research areas, but that is probably because they
> have a good reason to do so (academic campus, partnerships and so on).
> This should have nothing to do with AMSAT ever.
>
> What is left is that if we are (amsat-na) limited to sourcing talent
> from USA citizens and USA residents, what is the problem here?
> To be ITAR compliant, make a self-certification and have it reviewed
> by the organisation wanting to work with you.
>
> If it was the case that we could not find talent in the USA (hello...)
> then I would be worried. Besides, I'm surprised that you are not
> seeming to take any account of the numerous foreign students who come
> to the US and obtain legal residency after they graduate, and then
> they stay as an LPR for about 5 years, during which they are ITAR
> compliant and can work with us.
>
> So, why worry ?
>
http://mae.pennnet.com/display_article/366112/32/ARTCL/none/EXECW/1/ITAR-viola
tions-have-produced-high-profile-defense-export-penalties/
>
> If any AMSAT-xx body wants to help AMSAT-NA that is of course allowed
> and welcome under ITAR, through a TAA; what is wrong with that ? They
> can choose to divulge their technology or not, or give cash or not, as
> long as the payload flies. For AMSAT-xx wanting help from AMSAT-NA,
> then I don't see why they need to be given access to our tech, keeping
> in mind the current ITAR regime, unless it was a for a joint
> development where they have something, we have something. Then again
> the big question is "where is the integration" taking place ? In the
> US or abroad ?
>
>
> Still the big question (for me) is can AMSAT encourage more to join
> and volunteer/donate so that US ITAR folks (citizens and LPR) can fly
> more missions !
>
> Or, better still, is there a job market for ITAR compliant folks who
> want to design spacecraft ?
>
------------------------------
Message: 7
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:25:40 +0100
From: "Eric Knaps, ON4HF" <eric.knaps@xxxxxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Which rotor control to use?
Cc: amsat-bb <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <4AE613D4.6000202@xxxxxxx.xx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Hello George,
Thanks for the reply.
Maybe I can go for FOD-track. I even have the pcb that was given to me
years ago and it's more fun if I build it myself.
But can I just connect it and let it communicate with HamRadio Deluxe or
do I need to run another program?
73,
ON4HF.
Eric Knaps
Waterstraat 30
B-3980 Tessenderlo
Belgium
Tel. +32472985876 (mobile)
http://www.on4hf.be
George Henry schreef:
> If you have a parallel port, the FOD-Track system uses that, instead of a
> COM port....
>
>
> George, KA3HSW
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric Knaps, ON4HF" <eric.knaps@xxxxxxx.xx>
> To: "amsat-bb" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 3:01 PM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Which rotor control to use?
>
>
>
>> Hello guys,
>>
>> I was wondering what kind of hardware to use to control my satellite
>> rotors.
>> I have the G-500A elevation rotor and the G-650C azimuth rotor.
>> My only com port is connected with my FT-847 for doppler correction via
>> HamRadioDeluxe so it must be something via the USB port.
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Eric - ON4HF
>>
>> --
>> Eric Knaps
>> Waterstraat 30
>> B-3980 Tessenderlo
>> Belgium
>>
>> Tel. +32472985876 (mobile)
>>
>> http://www.on4hf.be
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
>
>
------------------------------
Message: 8
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:37:45 -0400
From: Samudra Haque <samudra.haque@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Hopefully - Some ITAR Clarifications.
To: Bill Ress <bill@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID:
<d8c724880910261437l47751690yac79cbc656c95a19@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Bill Ress <bill@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> But ALL US citizens and foreign permanent residents must be very careful
> about the more sinister part of ITAR called DEEMED EXPORTS. That's where you
> discuss certain ITAR controlled satellite hardware or technology issues with
> a foreign national, with which you do not not have a State Department
> technical exchange agreement, whether this foreign national is in this
> country or you contact them by phone, internet or other forms of
> communication. So while you can work on an AMSAT-NA satellite project that
> has aspects controlled by ITAR, because you are a legal permanent resident,
> you can't email your parents, if they are foreign nationals, to discuss
> those ITAR restricted subjects, whether they are in the US or a foreign
> country. If you do, it is "deemed to be exported" without ITAR approval and
> serious penalties can result.
>
Yes, I usually take care to divide my correspondence amongst the
particular groups I am working with, and this is also the basis in
which I recently proposed moving to (a) moderated forum (such as
phpBB) or (b) sub-dividing the amsat-bb list into amsat-engineering
(ITAR restricted) and amsat-user (open to all) lists. If moderation is
not possible, practical or simply open to all is the order of the day,
at least we can move the ITAR stuff (development centric stuff) to a
closed list format and ensure what is said and done is always in
compliance (i.e., track of who say what and documents are marked
restricted for circulation) etc.
The AMSAT-BB is the real funny way of becoming ITAR compliant (while
we are under ITAR, lets not forget we have responsibilities) so, until
the day that ITAR is not applicable to us, AMSAT-BB should be
restricted to open questions, user questions etc. no blanket mail
concerning tech details from the US side. However, for the specific
engineering stuff I suggest that whoever administers the list should
consider a security protocol and a secure file area for this
compliance issue, hopefully not on the same machine as amsat-bb to
avoid any chance of overlap.
Sorry if I ruffle a few feathers here, this an important issue for me too !
Samudra, N3RDX
------------------------------
Message: 9
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:06:29 +1100
From: Tony Langdon <vk3jed@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Hopefully - Some ITAR Clarifications.
To: Samudra Haque <samudra.haque@xxxxx.xxx>, Bill Ress
<bill@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4ae61d71.09a1660a.12d5.ffffb9b5@xx.xxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
At 08:37 AM 10/27/2009, Samudra Haque wrote:
>Yes, I usually take care to divide my correspondence amongst the
>particular groups I am working with, and this is also the basis in
>which I recently proposed moving to (a) moderated forum (such as
>phpBB) or (b) sub-dividing the amsat-bb list into amsat-engineering
If AMSAT goes to a forum, I'm out of here, I can't cope with the
volume of messages on a forum, much easier in email. Email lists can
be moderated too, but the separation might be a good way to simplify
ITAR compliance.
73 de VK3JED / VK3IRL
http://vkradio.com
------------------------------
Message: 10
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:06:58 +0100
From: "i8cvs" <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: TS-790 and sat comunication
To: "Mario Manissero" <mario.manissero@xxxxx.xx>, "AMSAT-BB"
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <024701ca5688$a34c2d60$0201a8c0@xxx.xx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mario Manissero" <mario.manissero@xxxxx.xx>
To: <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 2:32 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] TS-790 and sat comunication
> Hello folks,
> Recently I have in my station a TS-790 for satellites. In the past the
radio used for this activity was a IC-821. On that radio, for sat activity,
is suggested to use the main band for downlink reception and the sub band
for the uplink. This because the reception in main band is better instead of
sub receiver.
> And the radio, when sat mode is selected, allow that configuration.
> Now on the TS-790, Have I to follow the same setup?
> This because, I have done many attempts to use this radio how the Icom
without results.
>
> Tnx for your time
> 73 Mario IK1ZQJ
>
Hi Mario, IK1ZQJ
I have a TS-790 but I don't use it for satellite. By the way in this
transceiver the MAIN band can be used both for TX or RX but the
SUB band can be used only for RX
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
------------------------------
Message: 11
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:31:44 -0400
From: Samudra Haque <samudra.haque@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Hopefully - Some ITAR Clarifications.
To: Tony Langdon <vk3jed@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID:
<d8c724880910261531k47398d43o9650d50d76306ef3@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
With a forum, you can unclutter your mailbox, and also the forum
system can always tag messages according to a timeline/subject/thread
whatsoever, so if you are really busy (are we not all busy ... its a
hobby of course) then just wait to log on, and then when you do, the
system can show you (if desired) all of the unread messages in the
various topics you are subscribed to (Think: USENET Newsgroup style
focus) unless you wish to say "catchup" and then all is marked as
read.
In your current system of receiving messages from the "amsat-bb"
mailing list, unless you have a very large mailbox and never delete
your message pool, you are (we are..) all keeping separate message
copies for each and every reply, instead of just the delta's for each
message kept on a server somewhere. This method is not only bandwidth
inefficient, it also means YOU the user are responsible for tracking
your threads and keeping up to date. Would you not wish to lessen your
burden just a little bit by having the system keep track of where you
are in your hobby ?
If you like, the forum can also mail all relevant postings to you as
regular SMTP mail, so if you don't like the forum, that's ok too.
-samudra N3RDX
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Tony Langdon <vk3jed@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> At 08:37 AM 10/27/2009, Samudra Haque wrote:
>
>> Yes, I usually take care to divide my correspondence amongst the
>> particular groups I am working with, and this is also the basis in
>> which I recently proposed moving to (a) moderated forum (such as
>> phpBB) or (b) sub-dividing the amsat-bb list into amsat-engineering
>
> If AMSAT goes to a forum, I'm out of here, I can't cope with the volume of
> messages on a forum, much easier in email. ?Email lists can be moderated
> too, but the separation might be a good way to simplify ITAR compliance.
>
> 73 de VK3JED / VK3IRL
> http://vkradio.com
>
>
------------------------------
Message: 12
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:47:16 -0700
From: Bill Ress <bill@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Hopefully - Some ITAR Clarifications.
To: Samudra Haque <samudra.haque@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4AE626F4.8010000@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Hi Samudra,
Hey - don't worry about ruffling feathers. The more we discuss it, the
better understood ITAR will be.
Regards...Bill - N6GHz
Samudra Haque wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Bill Ress <bill@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>> But ALL US citizens and foreign permanent residents must be very careful
>> about the more sinister part of ITAR called DEEMED EXPORTS. That's where
you
>> discuss certain ITAR controlled satellite hardware or technology issues
with
>> a foreign national, with which you do not not have a State Department
>> technical exchange agreement, whether this foreign national is in this
>> country or you contact them by phone, internet or other forms of
>> communication. So while you can work on an AMSAT-NA satellite project that
>> has aspects controlled by ITAR, because you are a legal permanent resident,
>> you can't email your parents, if they are foreign nationals, to discuss
>> those ITAR restricted subjects, whether they are in the US or a foreign
>> country. If you do, it is "deemed to be exported" without ITAR approval and
>> serious penalties can result.
>>
>
> Yes, I usually take care to divide my correspondence amongst the
> particular groups I am working with, and this is also the basis in
> which I recently proposed moving to (a) moderated forum (such as
> phpBB) or (b) sub-dividing the amsat-bb list into amsat-engineering
> (ITAR restricted) and amsat-user (open to all) lists. If moderation is
> not possible, practical or simply open to all is the order of the day,
> at least we can move the ITAR stuff (development centric stuff) to a
> closed list format and ensure what is said and done is always in
> compliance (i.e., track of who say what and documents are marked
> restricted for circulation) etc.
>
> The AMSAT-BB is the real funny way of becoming ITAR compliant (while
> we are under ITAR, lets not forget we have responsibilities) so, until
> the day that ITAR is not applicable to us, AMSAT-BB should be
> restricted to open questions, user questions etc. no blanket mail
> concerning tech details from the US side. However, for the specific
> engineering stuff I suggest that whoever administers the list should
> consider a security protocol and a secure file area for this
> compliance issue, hopefully not on the same machine as amsat-bb to
> avoid any chance of overlap.
>
> Sorry if I ruffle a few feathers here, this an important issue for me too !
>
> Samudra, N3RDX
>
------------------------------
Message: 13
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:58:37 +1100
From: Tony Langdon <vk3jed@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Hopefully - Some ITAR Clarifications.
To: Samudra Haque <samudra.haque@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4ae629a9.1ade660a.4540.6410@xx.xxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
At 09:31 AM 10/27/2009, Samudra Haque wrote:
>With a forum, you can unclutter your mailbox, and also the forum
>system can always tag messages according to a timeline/subject/thread
>whatsoever, so if you are really busy (are we not all busy ... its a
>hobby of course) then just wait to log on, and then when you do, the
>system can show you (if desired) all of the unread messages in the
>various topics you are subscribed to (Think: USENET Newsgroup style
>focus) unless you wish to say "catchup" and then all is marked as
>read.
Doesn't work for me, the fastest and most reliable processor I have
for sorting messages (once they've been filtered into their own
folder by my mail software) is the one between my ears. The
additional delays caused by interacting with the network in real time
means I can get through about 1/10 of the number of posts in forums
as I can in email. I don't trust threading, due to thread drift
(happens here in email, happens on forums too, it's a human thing ;)
). I've battled these monstrosities for _years_.
>In your current system of receiving messages from the "amsat-bb"
>mailing list, unless you have a very large mailbox and never delete
>your message pool, you are (we are..) all keeping separate message
>copies for each and every reply, instead of just the delta's for each
>message kept on a server somewhere. This method is not only bandwidth
>inefficient, it also means YOU the user are responsible for tracking
>your threads and keeping up to date. Would you not wish to lessen your
>burden just a little bit by having the system keep track of where you
>are in your hobby ?
Nope, because my means of keeping track are vastly more accurate and
reliable than any forum system. That is due to quirks in how my
brain works, but I'm able to exploit those quirks. And yes, I do
keep large archives. :)
>If you like, the forum can also mail all relevant postings to you as
>regular SMTP mail, so if you don't like the forum, that's ok too.
The problem is then a context shift back to the forum is required to
reply. _very_ few forums (FUDforum is one that does though)
implement a decent attached mailing list.
73 de VK3JED / VK3IRL
http://vkradio.com
------------------------------
_______________________________________________
Sent via amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
Not an AMSAT member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
End of AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 4, Issue 571
****************************************
Read previous mail | Read next mail
| |
