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Today's Topics:
1. Re: ITAR is interesting to me (Greg D.)
2. TS-790 and sat comunication (Mario Manissero)
3. I: TS-790 and sat comunication (Francesco Grappi)
4. Err ... right. (John Hackett)
5. Re: Err ... right. (Dan Smith)
6. Cute 1.7 Re-Entry (John Heath)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 22:35:39 -0700
From: "Greg D." <ko6th_greg@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ITAR is interesting to me
To: <bill@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Ah, so our universities can *teach* foreign nationals how to design and
build everything needed to make a satellite, we just can't engage them in
the "research of satellites"? I give up.
Greg KO6TH
> Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:38:12 -0700
> From: bill@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx
> To: ko6th_greg@xxxxxxx.xxx
> CC: tosca005@xx.xxx.xxxx amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: ITAR is interesting to me
>
> Greg, the same rules apply to Universities (even our military schools,
> ie. West Point el al.). This continues to be a real sore spot with
> University research programs on things related to satellites or any of
> the areas subject to ITAR. It's get especially tricky when students,
> which are foreign nationals, try to become involved.
>
> But, as I keep saying, if you're involved with "munitions" controlled by
> ITAR and many things related to satellites are, them become familiar
> with the rules and follow them. If your in doubt, them become familiar
> with the rules and follow them.
>
> Regards...Bill - N6GHz
>
>
>
> Greg D. wrote:
> > I wonder if we could hook up with a university somewhere? Become part
> > of their graduate program in Astro-something, even get some graduate
> > students to help with the design and manufacture... What sort of
> > restrictions do they have on the definition of a "student"?
> >
> > Just a thought,
> >
> > Greg KO6TH
> >
> >
> > > Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:14:38 -0700
> > > From: bill@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx
> > > To: tosca005@xx.xxx.xxx
> > > CC: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> > > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ITAR is interesting to me
> > >
> > > Hi John,
> > >
> > > The completed satellite is usually exempt. This is how AO-51, as a
> > > completed satellite, went to Russia and was launched on a Dnepr. AMSAT
> > > has in the past and will in the future, apply for an export license for
> > > a satellite. It's when you try to export satellite components or
> > > technology, like the IHU, the SDX for the P3E, or engage in dialog
> > > regarding a satellites thermal performance the the AMSAT-DL folks to
> > > assist them, that you run afoul of ITAR.
> > >
> > > There's a big different between sharing technology and components than
> > > it is to export a complete satellite for launch. Often the State Dept.
> > > will require that a representative(s) of the satellite builders (and
> > > sometimes the State Dept. itself) accompany the satellite at all times,
> > > insuring that no one can get a closer look than just the outside, right
> > > through the launch.
> > >
> > > Yes, a bit confusing and frustrating, but workable.
> > >
> > > Regards...Bill - N6GHz
> > >
> > > John P. Toscano wrote:
> > > > Bob McGwier wrote:
> > > >> ANY aspect dealing with a satellite, software, hardware, ground
> > stations
> > > >> (hardware, software, protocols, etc.), ideas, random ejaculations
> > from a
> > > >> diseased mind or whatever that deals with spacecraft or ground
> > stations
> > > >> are DEEMED EXPORTS when they depart a U.S. citizen and are
> > delivered to
> > > >> a non-U.S. citizen. It is a nearly impossible task to abide by and
> > one
> > > >> that really makes me want to throw my hands up in despair and walk
> > away.
> > > >>
> > > >> There are exceptions for classrooms and courses taught in U.S.
> > > >> university's. A person, even a non-U.S. citizen, who can pay for
> > taking
> > > >> a course, may go and involve themselves in course work, even if it
is
> > > >> dealing with the design, construction, and control of spacecraft
> > during
> > > >> the course work. Some of this applies to your earlier questions
> > but for
> > > >> US service academies, there are very few non-U.S. citizens in them.
> > > >
> > > > Bob:
> > > >
> > > > I would not dream of second-guessing you for a moment, since you are
> > > > fully engaged in this stuff and I am simply an interested observer.
> > > >
> > > > However, why doesn't the following quotation directly from the ITAR
> > > > regulations provide the exemption we need? The quotation comes from
> > the
> > > > section that defines what are the items that are covered by ITAR:
> > > >
> > > > ITAR Part 121 - The United States Munitions List
> > > >
> > > > -----------------------< begin quote >-------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Category XV - Spacecraft Systems and Associated Equipment
> > > >
> > > > *(a) Spacecraft, including communications satellites, remote sensing
> > > > satellites, scientific satellites, research satellites, navigation
> > > > satellites, experimental and multi-mission satellites.
> > > >
> > > > *NOTE TO PARAGRAPH (a): Commercial communications satellites,
> > scientific
> > > > satellites, research satellites, and experimental satellites are
> > > > designated as SME only when the equipment is intended for use by the
> > > > armed forces of any foreign country.
> > > >
> > > > -----------------------< end quote >---------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Note that SME refers to "Significant Military Equipment"
> > > >
> > > > Paragraph (a) seems to cover everything and anything having to do
with
> > > > satellites, but the asterisk and "NOTE" attached to it seems to say
> > that
> > > > an Amateur radio satellite for use by Amateurs instead of foreign
> > armed
> > > > forces should be exempted, doesn't it?
> > > >
> > > > Granted, I realize that we have already lost one argument with ITAR
> > > > about our past cooperation with AMSAT-DL, but is there some
compelling
> > > > reason why the lawyers didn't point out this exception?
> > > >
> > > > Just wondering...
> > > > If I had to guess the answer myself, after looking at the horribly
> > > > convoluted language of the small piece of the ITAR regulations that I
> > > > have looked at, there is probably another paragraph elsewhere that
> > > > effectively says, "we were just kidding when we said that it had to
be
> > > > used by foreign armed forces, we really mean it to cover everything"
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > > W0JT
> > > >
> > > >
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:32:07 +0000 (GMT)
From: Mario Manissero <mario.manissero@xxxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] TS-790 and sat comunication
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Hello folks,
Recently I have in my station a TS-790 for satellites. In the past the radio
used for this activity was a IC-821. On that radio, for sat activity, is
suggested to use the main band for downlink reception and the sub band for
the uplink. This because the reception in main band is better instead of sub
receiver.
And the radio, when sat mode is selected, allow that configuration.
Now on the TS-790, Have I to follow the same setup?
This because, I have done many attempts to use this radio how the Icom
without results.
Tnx for your time
73 Mario IK1ZQJ
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:26:51 +0100
From: "Francesco Grappi" <f.grappi@xxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] I: TS-790 and sat comunication
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <FE157643B60842CBB043EA49B804542E@xxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hi Mario,
I'm using this radio for satellites since 1998.
It's work great without problem at all.
73"
Francesco IW4DVZ
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di
Mario Manissero
Inviato: luned? 26 ottobre 2009 14.32
A: AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
Oggetto: [amsat-bb] TS-790 and sat comunication
Hello folks,
Recently I have in my station a TS-790 for satellites. In the past the radio
used for this activity was a IC-821. On that radio, for sat activity, is
suggested to use the main band for downlink reception and the sub band for the
uplink. This because the reception in main band is better instead of sub
receiver.
And the radio, when sat mode is selected, allow that configuration.
Now on the TS-790, Have I to follow the same setup?
This because, I have done many attempts to use this radio how the Icom without
results.
Tnx for your time
73 Mario IK1ZQJ
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:00:50 +0100
From: John Hackett <archie.hackett@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Err ... right.
To: Dan <dsmith@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx kn0n@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx
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Yes, Dan,
I did get that bit.
The other half of the "twisted pair" is GM1SXX, IT engineer by trade and
software guru.
If my proposal does bear fruit, would you be interested in giving D-Rats a
haircut?.
(read: produce a dedicdated cut-down 'space' version).
As per today, we're still in the concept thrashing department.
The first dedicated D-Star satellite launch is slated for October 2010.
Another 'notable' is Alexander Zaitzev, director of IZMIRAN Russia. -
(Ionospheric
sounding studies for the University of Moscow) - by small satellites.
Information about IZMIRAN can also be found on the Observation website.
73 John.
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> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 07:42:11 -0700
> From: dsmith@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
> To: la2qaa@xxxxx.xxx
> CC: kn0n@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx
> Subject: Re: Desert Rat Query.
>
> > As I have previously mentioned, I run EU-Amsat (Amateur satellites) and
> > I noticed that our store-and-forward fleet is on it's last legs. I have
> > PE1RAH who designed and built the current VO-52 back-up transponder -
> > and whom has just built a Picoponder ... details at my website
> > <http://www.Observations.biz) designing a dedicated transponder for
> > future emergency communications.
> >
> > I mentioned to Brian that D-Rats would be the software of choice.
>
> That's very interesting, although I'm quite sure that someone (perhaps
> myself) would need to work on a separate piece of software that would be
> suitable for embedding in such a device. D-RATS itself is rather large
> and depends on a wide range of additional components that you wouldn't
> want to put on a resource-constrained satellite. However, the protocol
> and all the data formats are open, so crafting a "satellite edition" of
> the message parts of D-RATS shouldn't be too hard.
>
> Good luck!
>
> --
> Dan Smith
> dsmith#danplanet.com, s/#/@x
> www.danplanet.com
> KK7DS
>
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 08:05:09 -0700
From: Dan Smith <dsmith@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Err ... right.
To: la2qaa@xxxxx.xxx
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx kn0n@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4AE5BAA5.703@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
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> If my proposal does bear fruit, would you be interested in giving
> D-Rats a haircut?. (read: produce a dedicdated cut-down 'space'
> version).
Sure. I'd want to hear more about the proposed project and define some
requirements and expectations. As far as doing the work, however, I'd
be glad to help.
--
Dan Smith
dsmith#danplanet.com, s/#/@x
www.danplanet.com
KK7DS
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:02:22 +0000 (GMT)
From: John Heath <g7hia@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Cute 1.7 Re-Entry
To: Amsat <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <189888.66981.qm@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
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Its Official? Cute 1.7 has re-entered.
?
With no new elements from?Space Track? since 16:26 UTC on October 24th it
was no surprise to see this afternoons posting at 15:03 stating that Cute
1.7 has decayed.
?
There has been sudden rise in sunspot numbers and in solar flux over the
past few days which?no doubt speeded up its?demise, which probably took
place just a?few orbits after the 16:26 UTC elements.
?
I will announce the re-entry competition winner after I have attempted to
get an estimate of the re-entry time.
?
If anyone cares to post an opinion based on the last element sets on Space
Track I would be pleased to compare results.
?
73 John G7HIA
?
?
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