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Today's Topics:
1. Re: HT supports full duplex satellite operation
(Andrew Glasbrenner)
2. Re: HT supports full duplex satellite operation (Tim - N3TL)
3. Re: volunteering (Mobile Satellite PAPER Predictor)
(Steve Daniels)
4. Re: THE DMSP launch (Rocky Jones)
5. Re: Please don't feed the trolls (w6zkh@xxxxxxx.xxxx
6. QSL cards mailed today (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
7. Re: QSL cards mailed today (Tim - N3TL)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:45:46 -0400
From: Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: HT supports full duplex satellite operation
To: Tim - N3TL <n3tl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Tim - N3TL wrote:
>
> Please don't mistake my comments as any kind of criticism; they aren't
> intended that way at all. I'm looking forward to the challenge, and
> just hope others understand that one true rule and its impact on Mode
> B operations.
I didn't see it as a criticism, more a misunderstanding that I could
help correct. SO-35 operated in FM, Mode U/V and was a real joy to work.
I could work it horizon to horizon with a DR-605 dual band mobile and a
1/4 wave whip horizon to horizon, all in 5 khz steps. It was my only
entertainment for a very long winter spent babysitting a drill crew in
the upper midwest. Our cube probably won't have the downlink strength
SO-35 did, but that doesn't change how the uplink will work. I wouldn't
sweat it too much, the same gear you use for V/U will be fine for U/V FM
satellites.
73, Drew
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 10:48:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tim - N3TL <n3tl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: HT supports full duplex satellite operation
To: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <109754.4182.qm@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
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I trust, Clint, that you noted in the full post you excerpted these comments
from that I made a POINT of noting (1) that I use a 2-radio setup for full
duplex operation here, and (2) that I was referring to the TH-F6A as my
receive radio.
That being said, and for the record - NO HT currently in production from
Icom, Kenwood or Yaesu offers full-duplex operation.
73 to all,
Tim - N3TL
?
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From: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 1:29:20 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: HT supports full duplex satellite operation
>> ... looking only for current-production HTs, and I believe the?
Alinco is it when it comes to full-fuplex-capable HTs ...
And unless Alinco comes up with a miracle-of-a-firmware-release, that?
little rig is not suitable for working the FM birds.
>> ... In addition to the TH-F6A HT from Kenwood ....
Just so that there's no confusion, the TH-F6a is *not* a true full-
duplex radio. Dual-receive, yes. But key the mic, and nothing is heard?
on the sub-band.
Clint Bradford, K6LCS
http://www.work-sat.com
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:58:19 +0100
From: "Steve Daniels" <steve@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: volunteering (Mobile Satellite PAPER
Predictor)
To: <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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Hi Bob,
I think the following site does pretty much what you are asking
http://www.heavens-above.com/
If you register there and input your location one of the options is to
display a list of Amateur Satellites for a 24 hour period. It does list all
passes and not just the best. You can use the next button to select the
following days. The site developer Chris Peat is very helpful, I am sure he
could tweak the page to better suite our needs
Steve
G6UIM
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Bruninga [mailto:bruninga@xxxx.xxxx
Sent: 20 October 2009 18:06
To: bruninga@xxxx.xxxx 'Steve Daniels'; amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Re: volunteering (Mobile Satellite PAPER Predictor)
Actually, There is another similar WEB page project
That does the same thing for ALL mobile operators,
Not just those with APRS displays. It is simpler
And only has a single TEXT output:
Please see the idea on this web page:
http://www.aprs.org/MobileLEOtracking.html
PROJECT OBJECTIVE: Develop a web page that any amateur radio
operator can go to that will print out this very simple PAPER
tracking device. It is just a piece of paper with 5 columns for
each of 5 days, and on each of those five days, the TIME of the
best overhead pass for that users local area (morning and
evening). For ECHO (AO51) this simple piece of paper with 10
times on it can be used for SHOWING the pass times of ALL
morning and evening passes for the next 2 or 3 months!
You don't need no stinkin computer to always know when AO51 is
overhead while you are mobile! Just look at the TIME on the
paper for today's date. (ECHO's pass times repeat every 5
days)... Each other satellite has similar REPEATABILITY. Just
pring one of these slips of papwer for your favorite satellite,
and you will never need to do a prediciton again, yet, will
always hve what you need in the car to predict each day's pass
times.
Bob, WB4APR
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx
> [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On Behalf Of Robert
Bruninga
> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 12:56 PM
> To: 'Steve Daniels'; amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: volunteering (Mobile Satellite
Predictor)
>
> > I would like to volunteer to help out
> > in whatever capacity I can. I run my
> > own web server built by myself and a
> > few websites.
>
> Seeing your message, caused me to stop and think, what is the
> next thing I think might be valuable to help the general
amateur
> radio operators to better operate the satellites? Again, this
> might not be at all what you are interested in, but let me
have
> a go at defining a nice project for someone in case this fits
> anyone's talents.
>
> PROBLEM: To play satellites, you need to have a tracking
> program and to WATCH it all the time or do PLANNING to know
when
> to go play satellites. Actually, this is so... Past decade.
>
> OBJECTIVE: What we need is a "service" that continuously
feeds
> SAT-IN-VIEW information to everyone in the field right there
on
> their radio front panel, whenever any AMSAT is in view. This
> way, you can be mobile, or hiking, or anywhere on the planet,
> and right their even without ASKING, the information will be
> PUSHED to you.
>
> SOLUTION: Actually, this capability has existed since about
> 1997 on the APRS channel, but it only works where a LOCAL
> individual runs either APRSdata or DIGI_NED in the local
region,
> and maintains it. In this case, mobiles, or anyone monitoring
> the national APRS channel will receive this INSTANT
information
> not only showing any SAT in view, but also its AZIMUTH,
> ELEVATION and FREQUENCY of both the uplink and downlink AND
> DOPPLER!
>
> You can see examples of this system on
> http://www.aprs.org/localinfo.html . Move your slider about
90%
> down the page and look for the paragraph LOCAL SATELLITE
ALERTS.
>
> This way you don't need any PC, or anything. But if you are
> mobile and if a satellite comes above the horizon in your
area,
> and you monitor APRS on your APRS mobile radio, then you will
be
> able to work the satellite (also mobile, since we only output
> the satellites that are easy to work from a mobile)... The
info
> on the satellite is updated once each minute when it is above
> the horizon.
>
> Also, once each TEN minutes a SCHEDULE of any satellites
coming
> up in the next 80 minutes is transmitted to the DX LIST inside
> your radio, so you can also check for any future passes.
>
> PROJECT: Rather than having to have 1000 volunteers all over
> the world, one in the footprint of every APRS local area have
to
> operate and maintain one of these programs (which is why most
> people never see these alerts), it would be nice if there was
> just ONE central server that fed this data everywhere. Then
> only one person would have to update the server when new
> satellites were launched and once every week or so to download
> new TLE element sets.
>
> ISSUES: In one sense this would be a great step forward, in
> centralizing the generation of this data. But the problem is,
> that it still will not go from the APRS-internet stream back
to
> local RF in each local area, unless a local Igate operator
adds
> the "server" to his gate-to-RF list. But at least that is
much
> simpler than having to maintain a program.
> Local AMSAT mobiles who want this feed, just ask their local
> Igate operator to add the server, and from then on, whenever
> mobile, they will see these alerts.
>
> RESULT: Every mobile everywhere that is in view of a
satellite,
> even without any prior planning, will be alerted to a
satellite
> in view, its direction and elevation, its frequency and its
> Doppler, right there on the front panel of his APRS radio.
>
> See the web page for what these displays look like on an APRS
> radio:
>
> Bob, WB4APR
>
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:11:06 -0500
From: Rocky Jones <orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: THE DMSP launch
To: <n2wwd@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>, <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>, <n8fgv@xxx.xxx>,
Amsat BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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Ken. I concur the conversation is pointless. how pointless can be seen in
the childish level that folks like Frank B have dropped to. It is typical
internet flame...
Look the BOD is simply non responsive. they are going to do it how they are
going to do it...and they theory is to shut down any differing viewpoints.
See how suitsat 2 goes. If it is a success then wow their theory is
validated and I will be the first to congratulate them. If not. Pick up
the conversation then
Robert WB5MZO
> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:26:41 -0400
> From: n2wwd@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx
> To: bruninga@xxxx.xxxx orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxxx n8fgv@xxx.xxxx
amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: THE DMSP launch
>
> Bob and Dan -
>
> I sympathize with what you're saying and know you both have AMSAT's best
interests at heart. But unfortunately I don't see this exchange going in a
positive direction.
>
> We all know this is not the first time somebody has come on this mailing
list lacking a constructive motive. It appears that, with such a person, it
is a counter-productive to continue the exchange. No matter what meaningful
and accurate comments you might make, it will get twisted or otherwise
re-interpreted in a negative fashion or in the light most favorable to an
ulterior agenda. This is *my opinion* as an AMSAT member and thus *not*
something I will debate online, or in private for that matter. Thus
understand in advance ["Rocky"] why I will ignore any non-constructive
responses to this message.
>
> I think we agree this list is a great thing for those wanting information,
having bona fide questions, or wishing to offer a constructive opinion. I
will be happy to exchange messages with anybody who (in my opinion) is
engaging in something positive or constructive.
>
> I would, however, recommend that those of us who have AMSAT's best
interest at heart try something different to deal with negativism. My
suggestion is to attempt once (and only once) to steer things in a positive
or constructive direction. If that fails, simply state that you are not
obligated to exchange messages with anybody you believe is not pursing a
positive or constructive agenda. Make it incumbent on the person making the
objectionable comments to put things back in a positive direction if they
wish to get any replies.
>
> If everybody who has AMSAT's best interests at heart followed that, I
think we'd have much better exchanges on this list. Just a thought...
>
> 73, Ken N2WWD
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Robert Bruninga <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>
> >Sent: Oct 20, 2009 12:22 PM
> >To: 'Rocky Jones' <orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx>, n8fgv@xxx.xxxx 'Amsat BB'
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> >Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: THE DMSP launch
> >
> >> so what? We should never on the BB have
> >> differences with the direction that the
> >> satellite program is going? YOu have to
> >> be kidding.
> >
> >No we are not..
> >
> >You clearly do not understand volunteerism in a highly techincal
> >endeavor where "Those that can... DO" and "Those that can't"
> >should contribute or GET OUT OF THE WAY.
> >
> >> The only comments I and others have raised
> >> or made have been completely professional.
> >
> >No, just incessant whining and no productive contribution.
> >Either BUILD something, or contribute to those that are, or shut
> >up and get out of the way.. (my personal opinion since I have NO
> >position within AMSAT other than as a contributor where I can).
> >
> >> And fair questions deserve fair answers.
> >
> >Yes, do some work instead of driviling... go develop some
> >answers, and stop acting like a troll just wasting everyone's
> >time.
> >
> >> what have I gotten back?
> >> "you are a troll"
> >
> >Yes, all of your posts seem to meet that definition perfectly...
> >
> >> Hope you are having a good morning.
> >
> >I will when I can stop having to read your drivel every
> >morning...
> >
> >Bob
> >
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:11:07 +0000 (UTC)
From: w6zkh@xxxxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Please don't feed the trolls
To: David Wing <david@xxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: Amsat BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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From: "David Wing" <david@xxxxxx.xxx>
To: "Amsat BB" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 9:40:33 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: [amsat-bb] Please don't feed the trolls
...it just teaches them to hang around and be trolls
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 11:17:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Patrick STODDARD \(WD9EWK/VA7EWK\)" <amsat-bb@xxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] QSL cards mailed today
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Hi!
After printing more QSL cards on Sunday and writing out almost 200
cards along with envelopes last night, I dropped a large batch of
envelopes at the post office this morning. These cards cover my
activity from the east coast around the recently-concluded AMSAT
Symposium (Washington DC/FM18, BWI Airport MD/FM19, Bear DE/FM29),
as well as Saturday's activity - the Tucson AZ hamfest (DM42) in
the morning, and at or just east of the Arizona/New Mexico state
line (DM52) in the afternoon/early evening.
Thanks to all who worked WD9EWK from these locations over the past
couple of weeks. I enjoy getting on the air from almost anywhere
I go, and the QSLing after the trip is an important part of that.
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 11:36:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tim - N3TL <n3tl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: QSL cards mailed today
To: amsat-bb@xxxxxx.xxxx amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Patrick,
Thank you for your efforts to promote AMSAT and satellite operations.
I appreciate them very much, and I know many others do, too.
Tim - N3TL
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From: Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK) <amsat-bb@xxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 2:17:30 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] QSL cards mailed today
Hi!
After printing more QSL cards on Sunday and writing out almost 200
cards along with envelopes last night, I dropped a large batch of
envelopes at the post office this morning.? These cards cover my
activity from the east coast around the recently-concluded AMSAT
Symposium (Washington DC/FM18, BWI Airport MD/FM19, Bear DE/FM29),
as well as Saturday's activity - the Tucson AZ hamfest (DM42) in
the morning, and at or just east of the Arizona/New Mexico state
line (DM52) in the afternoon/early evening.?
Thanks to all who worked WD9EWK from these locations over the past
couple of weeks.? I enjoy getting on the air from almost anywhere
I go, and the QSLing after the trip is an important part of that.?
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
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