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Today's Topics:
1. Re: [amsatindia] Congrats to ISRO (Sangat Singh)
2. Delfi-C3 received in Belgium (ON5QI Claude)
3. Delfi-C3 heard over TN (Alan P. Biddle)
4. Re: Delfi-C3 HEARD, strong signal over the Delfi-C3
groundstation 1148UTC 145.930MHz (Bruce Robertson)
5. SEEDS and Other CubeSat TLE (Matt Bennett)
6. AO-7 Log book? (Chris Bloy)
7. Re^2: CubeSats new TLE (Mineo Wakita)
8. DELFI C-3 F SECOND PASS (Luc Leblanc)
9. Re: DELFI C-3 F SECOND PASS (Luc Leblanc)
10. Need manual for Yaesu GS-232 (Ronald G. Parsons)
11. Delfi-C3 Heard Well in Northern CA (Bill Ress)
12. DELFI C3 data analysis (Luc Leblanc)
13. Re: [eu-amsat] Re: DELFI C-3 F SECOND PASS (Luc Leblanc)
14. C3 heard ok at KM17VX (Kostas Ioannidis)
15. C3 heard at KM17VX (Kostas Ioannidis)
16. Delfi-C3 1822 - 1835Z Pass - Not Heard (Bill Ress)
17. Which object .... (Dave Aitch)
18. Re: AO-7 Log book? (Chris Bloy)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:40:15 +0800
From: "Sangat Singh" <sangatsingh(AT)gmail.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: [amsatindia] Congrats to ISRO
To: amsatindia(AT)yahoogroups.com
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Prathap,
Congratulations for all those involved in this spectacular launch.
Will be soon joining thousands others throughout the world to copy and
marvel the new stars.
Sangat, 9M2SS
2008/4/28 Prathap Kumar <vu2pop(AT)gmail.com>:
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> We the members of Amsat India and the Indian Ham fraternity congratulate
> ISRO for the successful 10 pack satellite launch via the PSLV C9 this
> morning.
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> We would also congratulate the DELFI team, CUTE team and the SEEDS team for
> their amateur radio satellites which are now placed in orbit.
>
> Looking forward to hearing the first telemetry in a few minutes which
> ofcourse is a low westrly pass for us.
> VU3TYG and myself would try to monitor and record.
>
> Looking forward to a the new exciting sats.
> Best 73
> Pop
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:10:25 +0200
From: "ON5QI Claude" <ON5QI(AT)skynet.be>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Delfi-C3 received in Belgium
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Delfi-C3 received in Belgium during the third pass between 11:49 and 11:57 utc
on 145.930 MHz.
194 packets received, decoded with RASCAL and sent to the command station.
Signals were loud and decodable during 90 % of the pass.
Congratulations to the team. Long life to Delfi-C3.
73 Claude ON5QI
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:42:40 -0500
From: "Alan P. Biddle" <APBIDDLE(AT)UNITED.NET>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Delfi-C3 heard over TN
To: "AMSAT-BB" <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
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Morning,
Just had my one shot for the morning and got an excellent signal, with AOS
and LOS within seconds of predicted. The original keps are good enough for
automatic frequency tracking, but it seemed to work better riding the VFO
manually. There were a few deep fades which responded to reversing the
antenna polarity.
The RASCAL program is slick, and nicely accessed the servers to upload the
data. The indicated center frequency seems to bounce around a lot which
makes it less useful than it might be for centering. However, a couple of
minutes learning, and you can keep the sync indicator on.
Congratulations to the Delfi-C3 team!
73s,
Alan
WA4SCA
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:53:37 -0300
From: "Bruce Robertson" <ve9qrp(AT)gmail.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Delfi-C3 HEARD, strong signal over the
Delfi-C3 groundstation 1148UTC 145.930MHz
To: "Wouter Jan Ubbels" <wjubbels(AT)gmail.com>
Cc: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
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When Wouter says these signals are 'strong', this isn't just the
boasting of a proud papa. Drew reports reception with a mobile
antenna; I got perhaps the strongest signals I've ever received from a
satellite. If you're interested, you should try listening to this new
bird with anything you have on hand.
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 9:12 AM, Wouter Jan Ubbels <wjubbels(AT)gmail.com>
wrote:
> All,
>
> we have heard Delfi-C3 during the 1148UTC pass over the TU Delft
> groundstation, she was on the backup freq of 145.930MHz, with a really
> strong signal!!! The spacecraft is in science mode, everything has deployed
> nominally.
> We got quite some decoded frames which indicate that the spacecraft is in
> good health. We are currently investigating the telemetry in order to
> determine the status into more detail.
> It was incredible to finally hear the faint signals out of the noise,
rising
> to comfortable strength!
> Reports from accross the globe are welcome, and we have already got quite
> some hams receiving and uploading good telemetry!!!
> We were using our old TLE's from the mission ops page, which seemed to fit
> best, so it's probably best to keep using those for now.
>
> 73 on behalf of an even more excited Delfi-C3 team
>
> Wouter Jan Ubbels PE4WJ
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:07:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Matt Bennett <kaisermuche(AT)yahoo.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] SEEDS and Other CubeSat TLE
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
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Hi All,
I received a number of requests for SEEDS TLE this morning. The truth is that
there aren't any specific elements for SEEDS or any of the other
CubeSats...yet. I used the preliminary launch vehicle elements published by
UTIAS-SFL last night to track SEEDS (http://www.utias-sfl.net/NLS-4/). Since
the sats did not get to far from the launch vehicle in the first hour, those
elements were accurate. Now that it's been T+12 hours, those elements are
likely to be inaccurate. In this case, you should use the elements on
SpaceTrack under the "Search by Satellite Launch Date" (use April 28th for the
date). Objects A-G should correspond to the CubeSats launched. Now it's a game
to figure out which Object ID belongs to which satellite! The last I heard
from other stations was that *Object B* worked well for SEEDS, but you should
try switching objects and finding out which one is SEEDS for yourself. As time
goes by, you'll see suggestions on the BB as to which TLE
works for which spacecraft. Eventually you'll start seeing their common names
appearing on the SpaceTrack site as well. Hope that answers your questions.
BTW, can any AMSAT member tell what the rules are for reposting TLE? I thought
that it was prohibited unless you had special permission, so I have omitted
the latest elements from my post until I find out for sure...
Thanks all. I know the students and developers REALLY appreciate your help and
the telemetry you're capturing! It's certainly been fun and rewarding for me.
Good luck on your upcoming passes. 73,
Matt
KF6RTB
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:10:11 +0100
From: "Chris Bloy" <chris(AT)photofuture.co.uk>
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-7 Log book?
To: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
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Hi all,
Any idea why no one is updating the Planet Emily site?
Last entry is April 30th with ?Please: keep this field CLEAR. NO Comments
here (like "CQ" etc) - ONLY CALLSIGNS. Tks for cooperation ? 73? as the
comment?
Thanks,
Chris ? M0DQO
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 01:24:34 +0900
From: Mineo Wakita <ei7m-wkt(AT)asahi-net.or.jp>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re^2: CubeSats new TLE
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
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plus one more again!
OBJECT G
1 32789U 07021G 08119.60740078 -.00000054 00000-0 00000+0 0 13
2 32789 098.0082 179.6267 0015321 307.2977 051.0656 14.81417433 68
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:29:37 -0400
From: Luc Leblanc <lucleblanc6(AT)videotron.ca>
Subject: [amsat-bb] DELFI C-3 F SECOND PASS
To: amsat-bb(AT)AMSAT.Org
Cc: eu-amsat(AT)yahoogroups.com
Message-ID: <4815B521.20747.117C640(AT)lucleblanc6.videotron.ca>
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My first DELFI c3 TLM reception signal s6 TO s7 copy Q5 reception. The first
low pass elevation has not been heard (Bad Keps) now all is
working smootly. Here is a part of the 70KB file i got from this new bird
from: DLFIC3 to: TLM a8 98 9b 40 40 40 00 88 98 8c 92 86 66 01 03 f0 f6 00
d4 01 01 15 45 14 56 14 63 11 74 0e 7e 0a 85 05 8b 00 8e b4
23 b0 2f ab 39 99 4a 7d 59 59 66 2e 72 04 7b 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
00 b0 cf 00 00 6f 80 17 b0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
from: DLFIC3 to: TLM a8 98 9b 40 40 40 00 88 98 8c 92 86 66 01 03 f0 f6 00
e2 01 b6 83 cb ff 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
00 00 ff 3f f9 fa 48 2c 6c 12 01 09 00 00 00 00 3b 00 80 83 4b 00 58 02 40 0c
00 70 0d 00 66 00 68 06 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
00 00 00 00 79 7b 3b 6f 00 00 00 00
from: DLFIC3 to: TLM a8 98 9b 40 40 40 00 88 98 8c 92 86 66 01 03 f0 f6 00
e3 01 01 3d 32 3c 50 3a 62 34 74 2a 7f 1e 87 0f 8e 01 93 6e
22 6c 39 68 47 5d 58 4d 65 37 6f 1c 79 02 80 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
00 cb b9 00 00 79 7b 3d 6f 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
from: DLFIC3 to: TLM a8 98 9b 40 40 40 00 88 98 8c 92 86 66 01 03 f0 f6 00
e5 01 01 41 31 3f 4d 3d 5e 37 70 2d 7b 20 83 10 8b 01 8f 6f
23 6d 3c 69 4b 5e 5c 4d 69 37 73 1c 7c 02 83 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
00 cd b5 00 00 7a 7b 41 72 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Congratulations to the teams they make it!!!!
"-"
Luc Leblanc VE2DWE
Skype VE2DWE
www.qsl.net/ve2dwe
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:35:18 -0400
From: Luc Leblanc <lucleblanc6(AT)videotron.ca>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: DELFI C-3 F SECOND PASS
To: amsat-bb(AT)AMSAT.Org
Cc: eu-amsat(AT)yahoogroups.com
Message-ID: <4815B676.15658.11CF8C2(AT)lucleblanc6.videotron.ca>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Forgot to mention DELFI C 3 was on 145.93mhz in the morning pass here FN36KA
Luc Leblanc VE2DWE
Skype VE2DWE
www.qsl.net/ve2dwe
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:07:19 -0500
From: "Ronald G. Parsons" <w5rkn(AT)amsat.org>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Need manual for Yaesu GS-232
To: "amsat-bb" <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <3291D5A41C184D68AD77EFA90FE3A8E6(AT)HPm9080n>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
I need the manual for my Yaesu GS-232 Computer Controller for the Yaesu G-
5400B rotators. Note: this is NOT the 232A or 232B which are newer products.
This is a unit I purchased in 1993. Yaesu Parts has no info in the unit.
The circuit board has the part number CS-232. There is a DB-25, two 5-pin
headers and a power connector on the rear, and two pots (AZ and EL) near the
left-rear of the circuit board.
A pdf file of the manual would be ideal, but a copy would be fine.
Please respond directly to my email w5rkn(AT)amsat.org
Ron W5RKN
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:05:03 -0700
From: Bill Ress <bill(AT)hsmicrowave.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Delfi-C3 Heard Well in Northern CA
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org, missioncontrol(AT)delfic3.nl
Message-ID: <481603BF.7010409(AT)hsmicrowave.com>
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The Delfi-C3 signal was heard on 145.930 on the 1646 to 1654 UTC in
Northern CA using the initial keps provided by Delft which seemed very
close.
The antenna was just a M2 2 meter halo and signals were very readable.
Signal nulls were every 30 or so seconds. Won't bother recoding data
until I get the gain antenna on it after I become more comfortable with
its orbit and signal characteristic.
So congratulations to the U of Delft crew for a job well done. I'm
especially keen to see how the satellite performs without the use of
batteries.
Regards...Bill - N6GHz
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:58:57 -0400
From: Luc Leblanc <lucleblanc6(AT)videotron.ca>
Subject: [amsat-bb] DELFI C3 data analysis
To: amsat-bb(AT)AMSAT.Org
Cc: eu-amsat(AT)yahoogroups.com
Message-ID: <4815CA11.9449.1698DCC(AT)lucleblanc6.videotron.ca>
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Here is some data from the (1)60 deg and (2) 8 deg morning pass
1- 968 packet decoded
2- 950 packet decoded (a very low pass s5 to S6 signal)
Data has been received on 145.930 Mhz science frq (antenna SWR 1:1) all
solar panels and antennas deployed
"-"
Luc Leblanc VE2DWE
Skype VE2DWE
www.qsl.net/ve2dwe
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:30:56 -0400
From: Luc Leblanc <lucleblanc6(AT)videotron.ca>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: [eu-amsat] Re: DELFI C-3 F SECOND PASS
To: eu-amsat(AT)yahoogroups.com
Cc: amsat-bb(AT)AMSAT.Org
Message-ID: <4815D190.4687.186D623(AT)lucleblanc6.videotron.ca>
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On 28 Apr 2008 at 19:31, SV1BSX wrote:
> Hi Luc,
>
> also very nice job this excellent TLM-copy from your side!
>
> Congratulations.. well done !
>
> 73 de Mak, SV1BSX
>
> ps: can you post here the Keplerians that you have used? is it the OBJECT-A?
Here is the last summary
I track in the middle of the pack "Object C" but on the last noon pass i
heard 3 additional carrier on 145.93 without any modulation? i
don't know where they are coming from. It is near a full time job to be able
to listen for about 10 sats so closed in orbit...
OBJECT A
1 32783U 08021A 08119.33805163 .00165610 00000-0 23146-1 0 23
2 32783 097.9217 179.2401 0029749 230.8058 129.0516 14.76344380 27
OBJECT B
1 32784U 08021B 08119.40514136 -.00000054 00000-0 00000+0 0 11
2 32784 098.0072 179.4195 0015546 332.7115 027.3251 14.80994958 31
OBJECT C
1 32785U 08021B 08119.40517004 -.00000054 00000-0 00000+0 0 19
2 32785 098.0039 179.4530 0012580 286.0559 073.9245 14.80543386 31
OBJECT D
1 32786U 08021D 08119.40511310 -.00000054 00000-0 00000+0 0 14
2 32786 098.0112 179.4423 0012438 298.8152 061.1764 14.80937264 34
OBJECT E
1 32787U 08021E 08119.47361555 -.00000052 00000-0 00000+0 0 14
2 32787 097.9345 179.3954 0032911 220.1231 139.8515 14.76313341 40
OBJECT A
1 32794U 08022A 08119.44406574 .00000040 88710-6 00000+0 0 28
2 32794 048.8128 300.5404 7477587 359.9142 134.7509 02.07074130 16
OBJECT F
0 1 32788U 08021F 08119.53974580 .00174098 00000-0 21624-1 0 18
2 32788 097.9787 179.6173 0015896 285.5399 072.4839 14.81494237 52
OBJECT G
1 32789U 07021G 08119.60740078 -.00000054 00000-0 00000+0 0 13
2 32789 098.0082 179.6267 0015321 307.2977 051.0656 14.81417433 68
P.S. I don't know why they named 2 Object A?
"-"
"It is not the class of license the amateur holds, but the class of the
amateur that holds the license."
Luc Leblanc VE2DWE
Skype VE2DWE
www.qsl.net/ve2dwe
WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:11:48 +0300
From: "Kostas Ioannidis" <kostas.ioannidis(AT)gmail.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] C3 heard ok at KM17VX
To: AMSAT-BB(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID:
<6cd5903a0804281111h1b0db5a0uf760e913aa1c37dd(AT)mail.gmail.com>
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I heard c3 at 18:00 utc at a low east pass (10deg elevation max.) .
Signal was low so packets could not be decoded.
73 de sw1ixp
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:21:18 +0300
From: "Kostas Ioannidis" <kostas.ioannidis(AT)gmail.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] C3 heard at KM17VX
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID:
<6cd5903a0804281121s73b5a8adrbf6b713cc715cf25(AT)mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
I heard c3 at 18:00 utc at a low east pass (10deg elevation max.) .
Signal was low so packets could not be decoded.
73 de sw1ixp
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:35:50 -0700
From: Bill Ress <bill(AT)hsmicrowave.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Delfi-C3 1822 - 1835Z Pass - Not Heard
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org, missioncontrol(AT)delfic3.nl
Message-ID: <48161906.4020401(AT)hsmicrowave.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Signals not heard in Northern CA on this pass (on .930 or .870) which
should have been much better than the least pass (less trees that way at
my QTH).
The next pass should be right over Delft and then to my West. Will try then.
Maybe they're giving it a rest??
Regards...Bill - N6GHz
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:36:45 +0100
From: "Dave Aitch" <dave(AT)g1ocn.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Which object ....
To: "Mineo Wakita" <ei7m-wkt(AT)asahi-net.or.jp>, <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <004601c8a95e$cfa24f80$cd00a8c0(AT)pc5>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
is for downloading TLM/KSS. Perhaps F ?
73, Dave.
IO80SM
Portland U.K.
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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:36:54 +0100
From: "Chris Bloy" <chris(AT)photofuture.co.uk>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-7 Log book?
To: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <00a201c8a95e$d5446b30$7fcd4190$(AT)co.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250"
Oh God, that is so stupid of me to not see that!
Puts head in the sand.,.,
-----Original Message-----
From: John Meeks [mailto:jmeek(AT)harbor.gaslightmedia.com]
Sent: 28 April 2008 19:25
To: Chris Bloy
Cc: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO-7 Log book?
On Mon, 28 Apr 2008, Chris Bloy wrote:
> Hi all,>
> Any idea why no one is updating the Planet Emily site?
>
> Last entry is April 30th with Please: keep this field CLEAR. NO Comments
> here (like "CQ" etc) - ONLY CALLSIGNS. Tks for cooperation 73 as the
> comment?
>
Hmmm April 30th. Someone in the future is sending us a warning ! !
I see the logbook is quickly catching up though ;-)
KC8ZFN
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