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Today's Topics:
1. Re: ITAR is interesting to me (k0vty@xxxx.xxxx
2. volunteering (Steve Daniels)
3. Re: Weekend on the Birds (Rodney Waln)
4. satpc32 and labjack help (Nick Pugh K5QXJ)
5. Re: THE DMSP launch (Rocky Jones)
6. Fox Delta ST2 (Randy)
7. Re: satpc32 and labjack help (Alan P. Biddle)
8. Re: satpc32 and labjack help (Nick Pugh K5QXJ)
9. HT supports full duplex satellite operation (Michael Chen)
10. W6FOG ??? (Alvaro de Leon Romo)
11. Re: volunteering (Steve Daniels)
12. Re: W6FOG ??? (w6zkh@xxxxxxx.xxxx
13. Re: HT supports full duplex satellite operation (JoAnne Maenpaa)
14. Re: HT supports full duplex satellite operation (Alan P. Biddle)
15. Re: W6FOG ??? (David Wing)
16. Re: HT supports full duplex satellite operation (Alan Kung)
17. Re: THE DMSP launch (Robert Bruninga)
18. Please don't feed the trolls (David Wing)
19. Re: volunteering (Mobile Satellite Predictor) (Robert Bruninga)
20. Re: HT supports full duplex satellite operation (Tim - N3TL)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 22:26:27 CDT
From: k0vty@xxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ITAR is interesting to me
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <20091019.222627.2832.22.k0vty@xxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Gretting to the list
I wish to thank everyone that took part in the discussion of ITAR as it
pertains to Amateur Satellites.
I have learned many things.
I am sure others may have also.
It is obvious that Amateur Radio before satellites had few if any ITAR
problems.
Now we have a very specific ITAR path to travel with any Amateur
satellite.
I submit that the AMSAT BOD is doing a good job for the membership on
this ITAR issue
There were a question or two dealing with security as it related to
indiduals that were
working on ITAR compontents or the AMSAT facility itself.
At least it seemed to be a stretch for anyone to discuss that issue.
There are those like AMSAT that have a almost impossible time dealing
with ITAR
There are many more that have to do business or engineering work where
talking to anyone
becomes a probems
I never had to concern myself with ITAR and that is the reason I needed
to learn more about ITAR.
I can assure all that there is another side to ITAR when the rules are
not followed and
that is the side I worked for on for 37 years.
Think of all the testing that must take place when information is lost
when the ITAR rules are not followed.
No offense to any of my Amateur friends that have hard feeling because of
ITAR, I understand.
But like always there is always two side to any story.
Thanks again Gentlemen
Joe Murray K0VTY
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 00:04:20 +0100
From: "Steve Daniels" <steve@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] volunteering
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <A3481078A94D4864B6AC1EAC9857B03E@xxxxxxx>
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Hi
After reading various posts I decided that having time one my hands at the
moment, I would like to volunteer to help out in whatever capacity I can. I
think being able to help build a satellite is probably out of my league. But
I could help out collating information and updating websites etc. I run my
own web server built by myself and a few websites.
Hopefully someone can contact me for a discussion on how I can help.
Steve
G6UIM
Email steve@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xx.xx
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 01:46:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rodney Waln <kc0zhf@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Weekend on the Birds
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <740466.58749.qm@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
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i have to say the same thing, that it was a good weekend lots of good grids
to be had
and some new people on at least that i heard, and those that went out of
there way to give them grids out,
?
also i would like to thank the AO-51 team for the short period of L-band
(L/U) last week,
i think i got the kinks out and?(john) k8yse?was my frist contact all be it
a?sort contact,
and for the jota set up,
best regards
Rodney
kc0zhf DN94??
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 05:33:37 -0500
From: "Nick Pugh K5QXJ" <quadpugh@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] satpc32 and labjack help
To: "'Amsat-BB'" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <05e601ca5170$c8ad0650$5a0712f0$@xxx>
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I have satpc32 and labjack is there a stall command option ?
Thanks
nick
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 06:28:25 -0500
From: Rocky Jones <orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: THE DMSP launch
To: <n8fgv@xxx.xxx>, Amsat BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <COL106-W579F90AF516533556497BAD6C00@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Dan.
>
> But Amsat-BB is not read only by Amsat members. Anyone who Google's "Amsat"
> will find Amsat-BB very quickly. Negative and unprofessional comments on
> Amsat-BB hurt our image as professional satellite builders and could quite
> possibly kill our chance of finding our next ride to orbit. In the 1990's
the
> ESA management handed the president of Amsat-DL a pile of e-mail printouts
> from Amsat-BB following the repeated launch delays on Phase 3D, it almost
got
> the satellite thrown off the Ariane 5 vehicle. With launches even harder to
> find in today's world, we cannot allow such bickering to tarnish our image
as
> professionals who can be trusted not to screw up the mission.
>
> Dan Schultz N8FGV
so what? We should never on the BB have differences with the direction that
the satellite program is going? YOu have to be kidding.
The only comments I and others have raised or made have been completely
professional. The folks building suitsat 2 did miss a deployment campaign,
they just did. It is a fair statement to ask if the project is to
complicated. It is fair to ask why for instance we are not using
transponders that have flown on other satellites but are not built in Amsat
NA or are not gee whiz gizmo stuff...
And fair questions deserve fair answers. I am a life member of NA (as
doubtless, all the keyboard commandos have figured out) that should be
enough to get fair and straight answers.
what have I gotten back? "you are a troll" or "the folks building the
satellites are working 18 hours a day" or even more silly responses (You
might hurt their feelings) and then there is Frank B's statement which
caused a hoot I mean just a hoot at MOD. It has been on a level that my 10
year rise above on their face book page.
The folks on the board and their toady's act like they are Donald
Rumsfeld...and we should have all had far enough of that manner. AS for the
folks who are "building" and managing the build of the satellite crop. WOW
if they stopped would we be worse off? The launch campaigns have not been
exactly inspiring.
Look the board is going to go its way...we will see how Suitsat 2 works out.
If it doesnt then it wont matter NA will have just about used up all its
mojo with the folks on NASA Rd 1.
As for the ESA thing on the BB...I dont have a clue how that played out. My
only tag up with those folks has been over a decade ago. We mucked about
with them for a bit on their microgravity airplane.(flying the "Bus" was
fun)..and as a part of safety certification I got to go to FG to see how
"they" do it and saw several launch campaigns. I found them completely
professional and business like...and while I take the story as "gospel" the
folks I knew in ESA would hardly be troubled by the comments on a BB which
as you say can be joined up by "anyone".
Hope you are having a good morning.
Robert WB5MZO
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 08:11:00 -0400
From: "Randy" <RSwart1@xxxxx.xx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Fox Delta ST2
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <004b01ca517e$6334e320$0301a8c0@xxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
I bought this and programmed it to my rotor system
But I can seem to get SATPC32 to work with it.
I remember someone on the list saying they had one of these ..
I hope you are reading this.
When I go to the rotor setup and select SAEBRTrackBox
Click the appropriate settings, and click ok or store ( tried both )
And restart PCSAT as recommended, and then go back to the rotor
Setup, it has toggled back to NONE for the interface..
And his instructions also say that once I restart there is supposed
To be a new program running called Server Easy Comm1 running.
Don't see that either ..
Can anyone shed some light on this?
Thanks..
Randy - N2CUA
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 07:33:10 -0500
From: "Alan P. Biddle" <APBIDDLE@xxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: satpc32 and labjack help
To: "'Nick Pugh K5QXJ'" <quadpugh@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, "'Amsat-BB'"
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <3F867080D78842938A7F7E26B35175D6@xxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Nick,
By stall command, you mean that if the rotator does not move after a period
of time, the program stops commanding motion? If so, I have never seen it
anywhere. I use the same combination.
Alan
WA4SCA
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Nick Pugh K5QXJ
Sent: 20 October, 2009 05:34
To: 'Amsat-BB'
Subject: [amsat-bb] satpc32 and labjack help
I have satpc32 and labjack is there a stall command option ?
Thanks
nick
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 07:52:39 -0500
From: "Nick Pugh K5QXJ" <quadpugh@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: satpc32 and labjack help
To: <APBIDDLE@xxxxxxx.xxx>, "'Amsat-BB'" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <060601ca5184$352a54a0$9f7efde0$@xxx>
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Thanks Alan for the quick reply. Yes that what is needed. I have burn out a
motor in the past. May the author could be persuaded to add this feature
nick
-----Original Message-----
From: Alan P. Biddle [mailto:APBIDDLE@xxxxxx.xxxx
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 7:33 AM
To: 'Nick Pugh K5QXJ'; 'Amsat-BB'
Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] satpc32 and labjack help
Nick,
By stall command, you mean that if the rotator does not move after a period
of time, the program stops commanding motion? If so, I have never seen it
anywhere. I use the same combination.
Alan
WA4SCA
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Nick Pugh K5QXJ
Sent: 20 October, 2009 05:34
To: 'Amsat-BB'
Subject: [amsat-bb] satpc32 and labjack help
I have satpc32 and labjack is there a stall command option ?
Thanks
nick
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 22:12:20 +0800
From: Michael Chen <michael.bd5rv@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] HT supports full duplex satellite operation
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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All,
Could anyone list the HT models (available today in the market) that
support full duplex satellite operation?
I know I can get connected with two HTs and portable cross Yagi. Just
need a simpler solution. IC-W23AT and TH-D7 are discontinued.
Michael Chen, BD5RV/4
Email: michael.bd5rv@xxxxx.xxx
MSN: bd5rv@xxxxx.xxx
Skype: michael-bd5rv
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 10:31:05 -0500
From: Alvaro de Leon Romo <xe2at@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] W6FOG ???
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <BAY108-W343381169277BEAC81889EF5C00@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hi guys is W6FOG on schedule ?
He will use all FM satellites ? or just AO51 ...
TNX
Al XE2AT
Pd someone has heard him ??
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:39:37 +0100
From: "Steve Daniels" <steve@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: volunteering
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <95F465FC813B47508070744B8F5F932B@xxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Thanks for the replies. Since I am in the UK I have contacted Jim off list
Steve
G6UIM
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Heck [mailto:jimlist@xxxxxx.xx.xxxx
Sent: 20 October 2009 08:58
To: Steve Daniels
Cc: Graham Shirville
Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] volunteering
Steve,
I wonder if you have heard of FUNcube? (see www.funcube.org.uk) I wonder
if you
know Word Press? (!)
I also wonder where you are located (I live in Blandford, Dorset), and if
you have
any experience in PR/outreach.
My records show that you aren't a member of AMSAT-UK. Maybe you would
consider
joining? See http://www.uk.amsat.org/content/view/35/34/
73 Jim Heck
G3WGM
Hon Sec AMSAT-UK
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxxxx
> Behalf Of Steve Daniels
> Sent: 20 October 2009 00:04
> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Subject: [amsat-bb] volunteering
>
>
> Hi
>
> After reading various posts I decided that having time one my hands at the
> moment, I would like to volunteer to help out in whatever capacity I can.
I
> think being able to help build a satellite is probably out of my league.
But
> I could help out collating information and updating websites etc. I run my
> own web server built by myself and a few websites.
>
> Hopefully someone can contact me for a discussion on how I can help.
>
>
>
> Steve
>
> G6UIM
>
> Email steve@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xx.xx
>
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 15:41:07 +0000 (UTC)
From: w6zkh@xxxxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: W6FOG ???
To: Alvaro de Leon Romo <xe2at@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Word this morning on AO-51 pass as he's been delayed by weather......I
havent heard that offically from sources, as he's usually on with us at that
time. That is about all I know, Al...
John W6ZKH
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alvaro de Leon Romo" <xe2at@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 8:31:05 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: [amsat-bb] W6FOG ???
Hi guys is W6FOG on schedule ?
He will use all FM satellites ? or just AO51 ...
TNX
Al XE2AT
Pd someone has heard him ??
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 10:45:01 -0500
From: "JoAnne Maenpaa" <k9jkm@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: HT supports full duplex satellite operation
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <001401ca519c$4a425690$dec703b0$@xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Hello Michael,
http://www.thathamkid.com/website/ham-radio/full-duplex-radios is one place
to find a list.
--
73 de JoAnne K9JKM
k9jkm@xxxxx.xxx
Editor, AMSAT News Service
Copy Editor, AMSAT Journal
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 11:02:14 -0500
From: "Alan P. Biddle" <APBIDDLE@xxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: HT supports full duplex satellite operation
To: "'Michael Chen'" <michael.bd5rv@xxxxx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <BDE4107F37684C6ABB75354D53D3A0EF@xxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Michael,
That is a good reference from JoAnne. Most on the list will work well,
particularly the TH-D7 and the IC-W32A. However, before you purchase one,
be certain to research how well it actually works for satellite ops. For
instance, I have an Alinco DJ-G7 which has great specifications, but works
very poorly for satellite ops, though it is a nice general purpose unit.
Alan
WA4SCA
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Michael Chen
Sent: 20 October, 2009 09:12
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] HT supports full duplex satellite operation
All,
Could anyone list the HT models (available today in the market) that
support full duplex satellite operation?
I know I can get connected with two HTs and portable cross Yagi. Just
need a simpler solution. IC-W23AT and TH-D7 are discontinued.
Michael Chen, BD5RV/4
Email: michael.bd5rv@xxxxx.xxx
MSN: bd5rv@xxxxx.xxx
Skype: michael-bd5rv
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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 09:04:22 -0700
From: "David Wing" <david@xxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: W6FOG ???
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <C0286D328BAB43AC90C8ADAF5BD9F1FE@xxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
I have not spoken to Neil (W6FOG) but I have heard that he has postponed his
departure due to the hurricane activity coming into Mexico from the Pacific.
What I've heard is that he is now planning to depart on 11/4 but I have not
spoken directly with Neil.
73
David
K6CDW
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Alvaro de Leon Romo
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 8:31 AM
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] W6FOG ???
Hi guys is W6FOG on schedule ?
He will use all FM satellites ? or just AO51 ...
TNX
Al XE2AT
Pd someone has heard him ??
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:12:09 +0800
From: "Alan Kung" <alankung@xxxxxxx.xxx.xxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: HT supports full duplex satellite operation
To: "Michael Chen" <michael.bd5rv@xxxxx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <000f01ca51a0$25d0ab50$6c01a8c0@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Michael,
Many hams put the list on amsat-bb a few months ago, you can search for
them. In fact I have included all of info in the article which I sent you
several days ago, what you need is just read it.
73
Alan, BA1DU
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Chen" <michael.bd5rv@xxxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 10:12 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] HT supports full duplex satellite operation
> All,
>
> Could anyone list the HT models (available today in the market) that
> support full duplex satellite operation?
> I know I can get connected with two HTs and portable cross Yagi. Just
> need a simpler solution. IC-W23AT and TH-D7 are discontinued.
>
> Michael Chen, BD5RV/4
> Email: michael.bd5rv@xxxxx.xxx
> MSN: bd5rv@xxxxx.xxx
> Skype: michael-bd5rv
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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:22:40 -0400
From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: THE DMSP launch
To: "'Rocky Jones'" <orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx>, <n8fgv@xxx.xxx>, "'Amsat
BB'" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <9F0D408FE57C4F9B9C98D02A0FFA25B3@xxxxx.xxxx.xxx>
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> so what? We should never on the BB have
> differences with the direction that the
> satellite program is going? YOu have to
> be kidding.
No we are not..
You clearly do not understand volunteerism in a highly techincal
endeavor where "Those that can... DO" and "Those that can't"
should contribute or GET OUT OF THE WAY.
> The only comments I and others have raised
> or made have been completely professional.
No, just incessant whining and no productive contribution.
Either BUILD something, or contribute to those that are, or shut
up and get out of the way.. (my personal opinion since I have NO
position within AMSAT other than as a contributor where I can).
> And fair questions deserve fair answers.
Yes, do some work instead of driviling... go develop some
answers, and stop acting like a troll just wasting everyone's
time.
> what have I gotten back?
> "you are a troll"
Yes, all of your posts seem to meet that definition perfectly...
> Hope you are having a good morning.
I will when I can stop having to read your drivel every
morning...
Bob
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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 09:40:33 -0700
From: "David Wing" <david@xxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Please don't feed the trolls
To: "'Amsat BB'" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <9CAC43A2A7C7463DBC9B3BA0BC327570@xxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
...it just teaches them to hang around and be trolls
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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:56:08 -0400
From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: volunteering (Mobile Satellite Predictor)
To: "'Steve Daniels'" <steve@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xx.xx>,
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <5BABDCDE284C47D8B422A05F025C2E63@xxxxx.xxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> I would like to volunteer to help out
> in whatever capacity I can. I run my
> own web server built by myself and a
> few websites.
Seeing your message, caused me to stop and think, what is the
next thing I think might be valuable to help the general amateur
radio operators to better operate the satellites? Again, this
might not be at all what you are interested in, but let me have
a go at defining a nice project for someone in case this fits
anyone's talents.
PROBLEM: To play satellites, you need to have a tracking
program and to WATCH it all the time or do PLANNING to know when
to go play satellites. Actually, this is so... Past decade.
OBJECTIVE: What we need is a "service" that continuously feeds
SAT-IN-VIEW information to everyone in the field right there on
their radio front panel, whenever any AMSAT is in view. This
way, you can be mobile, or hiking, or anywhere on the planet,
and right their even without ASKING, the information will be
PUSHED to you.
SOLUTION: Actually, this capability has existed since about
1997 on the APRS channel, but it only works where a LOCAL
individual runs either APRSdata or DIGI_NED in the local region,
and maintains it. In this case, mobiles, or anyone monitoring
the national APRS channel will receive this INSTANT information
not only showing any SAT in view, but also its AZIMUTH,
ELEVATION and FREQUENCY of both the uplink and downlink AND
DOPPLER!
You can see examples of this system on
http://www.aprs.org/localinfo.html . Move your slider about 90%
down the page and look for the paragraph LOCAL SATELLITE ALERTS.
This way you don't need any PC, or anything. But if you are
mobile and if a satellite comes above the horizon in your area,
and you monitor APRS on your APRS mobile radio, then you will be
able to work the satellite (also mobile, since we only output
the satellites that are easy to work from a mobile)... The info
on the satellite is updated once each minute when it is above
the horizon.
Also, once each TEN minutes a SCHEDULE of any satellites coming
up in the next 80 minutes is transmitted to the DX LIST inside
your radio, so you can also check for any future passes.
PROJECT: Rather than having to have 1000 volunteers all over
the world, one in the footprint of every APRS local area have to
operate and maintain one of these programs (which is why most
people never see these alerts), it would be nice if there was
just ONE central server that fed this data everywhere. Then
only one person would have to update the server when new
satellites were launched and once every week or so to download
new TLE element sets.
ISSUES: In one sense this would be a great step forward, in
centralizing the generation of this data. But the problem is,
that it still will not go from the APRS-internet stream back to
local RF in each local area, unless a local Igate operator adds
the "server" to his gate-to-RF list. But at least that is much
simpler than having to maintain a program.
Local AMSAT mobiles who want this feed, just ask their local
Igate operator to add the server, and from then on, whenever
mobile, they will see these alerts.
RESULT: Every mobile everywhere that is in view of a satellite,
even without any prior planning, will be alerted to a satellite
in view, its direction and elevation, its frequency and its
Doppler, right there on the front panel of his APRS radio.
See the web page for what these displays look like on an APRS
radio:
Bob, WB4APR
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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 09:57:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tim - N3TL <n3tl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: HT supports full duplex satellite operation
To: APBIDDLE@xxxxxxx.xxxx Michael Chen <michael.bd5rv@xxxxx.xxx>,
amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <206820.67905.qm@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
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I intended to reply both to Michael and the BB, but I see that I simply
responded to him and not to "all" in my earlier note.
My sense from his original post is that he is looking only for
current-production HTs, and I believe the Alinco is it when it comes to
full-fuplex-capable HTs.
That being said, I have been doing some related research over the past
several months. Some BB readers may recall a post I made a few months ago
about "the fully rechargeable satellite station." I have done some other
things that I hope to include in an article for an upcoming issue of? "The
AMSAT Journal,"?and I have discovered something that, I believe, could
benefit all of us who enjoy using handheld stations.
In addition to the TH-F6A HT from Kenwood, I have had an opportunity to use
a Yaesu VR-500 handheld all-mode receiver. The general coverage receiver in
the Kenwood is all-mode, as is the VR-500. Either also can serve as a
receive radio for a station on the linear satellites, albeit with manual
Doppler tuning.
Most notable for those of us who enjoy using handheld stations for the FM
satellites is the fact that the Kenwood's general coverage receiver and the
Yaesu VR-500 each offer tuning steps down to 1 kHz and below, even in FM. As
I recall, the Kenwood HT can tune as finely as 33 Hz. The VR-500 will tune
as finely as 100 Hz. I routinely tune it in 1 kHz steps on the FM
satellites. Doing so enables me to track Doppler on the UHF downlinks of our
FM satellites much more accurately, and that has made a big difference in my
ability to make handheld contacts. Those who choose to ignore the inarguable
fact that high power isn't necessary for effective FM LEO satellite contacts
still make things difficult for me and others who enjoy using handheld
stations. I've accepted the fact that the situation won't ever change, which
is disappointing.
Nonetheless - from here, I believe that using a 2-radio full-duplex setup
for the FM satellites that incorporates a receive radio capable of tuning in
1 kHz (or finer) steps actually represents the most effective option because
of the improved receive capability the smaller tuning steps provide.
Many of us would like to see more HT manufacturers adopt full-duplex as a
feature on at least one current-production model. I also would like to cast
my vote for (1) general coverage receivers that, like the TH-F6A, are
all-mode, and (2) tuning steps finer than 5 kHz for FM that will work on
both transmit AND receive.
I am thrilled with the news that AMSAT is moving forward with plans to build
and launch a 1U cub sat with a U/V (Mode B) transponder. However,
consistently hitting the uplink with HTs that tune no finer than 5 kHz will
be a challenge. I learned that last winter when the ISS repeater was active
in Mode B. When I used my FT-817 as a transmit radio and could use the main
tuning dial to infinitely fine-tune the uplink, I had much better - and more
consistent - success hitting the uplink than with my HT, which will only
tune in 5 kHz steps.
73 to all,
Tim - N3TL
73 to all,
Tim - N3TL
Athens, Ga. - EM84ha
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From: Alan P. Biddle <APBIDDLE@xxxxxx.xxx>
To: Michael Chen <michael.bd5rv@xxxxx.xxx>; amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 12:02:14 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: HT supports full duplex satellite operation
Michael,
That is a good reference from JoAnne.? Most on the list will work well,
particularly the TH-D7 and the IC-W32A.? However, before you purchase one,
be certain to research how well it actually works for satellite ops.? For
instance, I have an Alinco DJ-G7 which has great specifications, but works
very poorly for satellite ops, though it is a nice general purpose unit.
Alan
WA4SCA
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Michael Chen
Sent: 20 October, 2009 09:12
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] HT supports full duplex satellite operation
All,
Could anyone list the HT models (available today in the market) that
support full duplex satellite operation?
I know I can get connected with two HTs and portable cross Yagi. Just
need a simpler solution. IC-W23AT and TH-D7 are discontinued.
Michael Chen, BD5RV/4
Email: michael.bd5rv@xxxxx.xxx
MSN: bd5rv@xxxxx.xxx
Skype: michael-bd5rv
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