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Today's Topics:
1. Re: AO-51 for November (Dave Webb KB1PVH)
2. Re: Why do hamsats? (Or anything else...) (Michael Tondee)
3. Re: K2BSA and ARISS from the National Scouting Museum during
JOTA - 17 Oct. (Nick Pugh K5QXJ)
4. AO-51 in JOTA mode (Andrew Glasbrenner)
5. FO-29 (Jerry Felts)
6. Ares 1-X in highbay 3 (Joseph Armbruster)
7. Re: FO-29 (David Wing)
8. Re: FO-29 (Bruce Robertson)
9. Re: Why do hamsats? (Jonathan Guthrie)
10. Re: Why do hamsats? (Alan VE4YZ)
11. List of Satellites to Track and Monitor... (Elan Portnoy)
12. Re: List of Satellites to Track and Monitor...
(Andrew Glasbrenner)
13. DMSP F18's launch vehicle far exceeds mission requirements
(Phil Karn Jr KA9Q)
14. The power of complaining (Randy)
15. Re: Can we get them to fix AO-40 first then?
(Auke de Jong, VE6PWN)
16. Re: DMSP F18's launch vehicle far exceeds mission
requirements (Rocky Jones)
17. Re: Why do hamsats? (Or anything else...) (Rocky Jones)
18. WD9EWK on the air tomorrow... (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:10:30 +0000
From: "Dave Webb KB1PVH" <kb1pvh@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 for November
To: "John Marranca, Jr" <KB2HSH@xxxxx.xxx>,
amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxx BB" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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I second that!
Dave KB1PVH
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: "John Marranca, Jr" <KB2HSH@xxxxx.xxx>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:52:50
To: amsat-bb<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-51 for November
Drew, et al:
Any possibility of having SSTV on the 2nd channel for November?
Thanks!
John KB2HSH
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:20:05 -0400
From: Michael Tondee <mat_62@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Why do hamsats? (Or anything else...)
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Mark,
You hit the nail on the head right there!
73,
Michael, W4HIJ
Mark VandeWettering wrote
>
> It's a pity we can't harness the power of complaining to boost things
> to orbit...
>
> 73 Mark K6HX
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:31:26 -0500
From: "Nick Pugh K5QXJ" <quadpugh@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: K2BSA and ARISS from the National Scouting
Museum during JOTA - 17 Oct.
To: "'Keith Pugh'" <w5iu@xxxxxx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: jota@xxxxx.xxx
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Hi All I will be on AMSAT echolink node 101377 at 10:30 CDT call N5S please
have your scouts join us
Nick k5qxj
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Keith Pugh
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 7:03 AM
To: 'Keith Pugh'; amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Cc: jota@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: K2BSA and ARISS from the National Scouting Museum
during JOTA - 17 Oct.
Correction - We will be using K2BSA/5 at the National Scouting Museum.
I'm sorry for the error.
73 - Keith, W5IU
-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Pugh [mailto:w5iu@xxxxxx.xxxx
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 5:23 PM
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Cc: jota@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: K2BSA and ARISS from the National Scouting Museum during JOTA - 17
Oct.
K2BSA will be operating on the Amateur Radio Satellites from the National
Scouting Museum in Irving, TX, from 14:00 to 22:00 UTC on Saturday, 17 Oct.
2009. We will be on as many of the passes listed below as possible. We
will be operating as a portable, hand-held station. Bring your Scouts and
join us on the "Birds."
WinAos QTH: -97.0/32.9 T#: 11612 Sat.: 6 [Standard]
----------------------------------------------------------
Day Object AOS (U) LOS Period maxEl AZ
----------------------------------------------------------
17.10.2009 SO-50 14:41 14:50 09 10 356 - 098
17.10.2009 AO-07 14:47 15:06 19 37 005 - 225
17.10.2009 VO-52 15:35 15:48 13 35 023 - 176
17.10.2009 SO-50 16:20 16:33 13 76 330 - 155
17.10.2009 VO-52 17:12 17:23 11 16 348 - 228
17.10.2009 AO-27 19:10 19:23 13 20 129 - 003
17.10.2009 AO-27 20:48 21:03 15 39 185 - 340
There will also be an ARISS Contact with Scouts at the museum that will take
place starting at 21:53 UTC. This will be a Telebridge contact via WH6PN in
Hawaii. The contact will be on the EchoLink AMSAT Conference and on a wide
area, 442.400 MHz repeater in the Dallas/Fort Worth area.
73 - Keith, W5IU
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:30:22 -0400
From: Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-51 in JOTA mode
To: Amsat-BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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Jamboree on the Air repeater is now on, 145.88/435.15 @ 780 mw, JOTA
QSOs only please!
145.92/435.3 is on for general use @ 450mw
73, Drew KO4MA
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:50:31 -0600
From: Jerry Felts <nr5ajerry@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] FO-29
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Is FO-29 active?? I can't tell from AMSAT'S webpage.
--
Jerry - NR5A - South Dakota
http://nr5asstuff.blogspot.com/
http://nr5abeaconblog.blogspot.com/
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:06:15 -0400
From: Joseph Armbruster <josepharmbruster@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Ares 1-X in highbay 3
To: AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <8780A0C4-581C-4324-88C0-6CF5946FFE52@xxxxx.xxx>
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The subject of this email says it all. This is too incredible not to
share with you all and an interesting look inside!
http://nasatech.net/Ares1-Xmid091015/
Enjoy,
Joseph Armbruster
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:14:02 -0700
From: "David Wing" <david@xxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FO-29
To: "'Jerry Felts'" <nr5ajerry@xxxxx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <EAEB84C33DA24DB8AE42F02AF23EE610@xxxxx>
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The control station is now only activating FO-29 for one pass a week (over
Japan I expect)
FO-29 will not be more active until January or so.
David
K6CDW
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Jerry Felts
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 3:51 PM
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] FO-29
Is FO-29 active?? I can't tell from AMSAT'S webpage.
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:19:52 -0300
From: Bruce Robertson <ve9qrp@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FO-29
To: Jerry Felts <nr5ajerry@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:50 PM, Jerry Felts <nr5ajerry@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> Is FO-29 active?? ?I can't tell from AMSAT'S webpage.
>
>
To find out information like this, you're much better off consulting
the chart at http://oscar.dcarr.org/ You should also feel free to
upload information to that page, since we all benefit from its
timeliness.
73, Bruce
VE9QRP
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:55:33 -0500
From: Jonathan Guthrie <ka8kpn@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Why do hamsats?
To: Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF <nigel@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: Amsat BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 17:57 +0000, Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF wrote:
> According to my license, the primary reason for it's issuance is education.
> Below are the first three sentences of BR68.
> Conditions of use
> Purpose
> 1(1) The Licensee shall use the Station for the purpose of self-training
in communication by radio telecommunications,
> which use (without limiting the generality of the foregoing) includes
technical investigations.
That appears to be about you training yourself to use your radios, not
about the more general capacity for which amateur radio can be used to
further the education of third parties. Which leads one to a question:
How does a satellite that you cannot hear provide you an opportunity to
self-train in communication by radio telecommunications?
There is a similar section in part 97 of the FCC rules that form the
"basis and purpose" of amateur radio. However, I point out that those
are words used by the government to justify allocating precious spectrum
to ham radio, but they are not what radio amateurs use to justify their
commitment of time and treasure to their hobby.
The fact is that while radio amateurs tend to self-educate to gain those
skills necessary to actually, you know, communicate, and those skills
are beneficial in a wide variety of circumstances, it is also true that
that education is beside the point. We talk on our radios because we
gain enjoyment from the process of communicating with each other, and we
challenge ourselves to gain more and more skills to accomplish things
that are more and more difficult.
Now, I hope that amateur radio can be used to educate the greater
population to the fullest extent that it can, but without the radio
payload "suitsat1" was just an old space suit that someone chucked out
an airlock. The whole point of the exercise was that communications
facility, and saying that the suitsat1 wasn't a success because that
part of the satellite did not work as well as hoped is not in any way an
unreasonable thing to do no matter what other benefits might have been
gained.
!DSPAM:117,4ad8c1b242761971714535!
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:52:36 -0500
From: "Alan VE4YZ" <ve4yz@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Why do hamsats?
To: "'Amsat BB'" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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Because the member countries of the ITU attempt some semblance of uniformity
the Canadian preamble to the "Amateur Radio Service" is similar to the U.S.
and I suspect many other countries are similar...
Quoting from
http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/smt-gst.nsf/eng/sf01188.html#purpose
RIC-3 - Information on the Amateur Radio Service
Foreword
The Radiocommunication Regulations describe the amateur radio service as a
"radiocommunication service in which radio apparatus are used for the
purpose of self-training, intercommunication or technical investigation by
individuals who are interested in radio technique solely with a personal aim
and without pecuniary interest."
The Department of Industry believes that amateur radio should be readily
accessible to Canadians, so that those who are interested in the science and
art of radiocommunication may avail themselves of every reasonable
opportunity to learn, enjoy, contribute or participate in this service. The
necessity for operators to have some technical and operating knowledge
before being allowed access to amateur radio bands is a well established and
internationally recognized principle.
... However, to refurbish our dwindling ranks in a world of IM, Facebook,
MySpace, Twitter, smartphones, and The Google and the Internets, you ( at
least I ) cannot recruit anyone into the amateur ranks by showing them how
neat grid square collecting, DX, "talking to the world", amateur satellites
are. We have, however, found that education in the form of Space Camps,
ARISS, collaborating at the university and high school level with cubesats
and near space balloons with student designed science payloads will turn
high school students on, get them interested in STEM and engineering studies
( and boy is that a whole topic in itself ) and, oh, by the way, you need an
amateur licence to work at the ground station and test payload components
and the telemetry from your science payload. Amateur radio as the hidden
agenda and the educational goal. The rest of the world of amateur radio
then awaits them.
... Alan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx
> [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On Behalf Of Nigel Gunn
> G8IFF/W8IFF
> Sent: October 16, 2009 12:57 PM
> To: Rocky Jones
> Cc: Amsat BB
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Why do hamsats?
>
> According to my license, the primary reason for it's issuance
> is education.
> Below are the first three sentences of BR68.
>
> Conditions of use
>
> Purpose
>
> 1(1) The Licensee shall use the Station for the purpose of
> self-training in communication by radio telecommunications,
> which use (without limiting the generality of the foregoing)
> includes technical investigations.
>
> 1(2) The Licensee may use or permit the use of the Station,
> as part of his self-training in communication by radio
> telecommunications, during any operation conducted by a User
> Service [defined in sub-clause 12(1) (o)] or during any
> exercise relating to such an operation for the purpose of
> sending Messages on behalf of the User Service to other
> licensed amateur stations. It is recommended that the
> Licensee follows a formal emergency communications training
> scheme, details of which are available from the
> Radiocommunications Agency.
>
> 1(2A) The Licensee may use or permit the use of the Station,
> as part of his self-training in communication by radio,
> during any community event where the Licensee has been
> requested in writing by a User Service [defined in sub-clause
> 12(1) (o)] to provide communication without pecuniary gain
> for the purpose of sending Messages relating to the event to
> other licensed amateur stations.
>
>
>
>
>
> Rocky Jones wrote:
>
> > Ham radio is about communicating. If we want to turn its
> primary task into "education" then it will look very very different.
> >
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:36:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: Elan Portnoy <elanportnoy@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] List of Satellites to Track and Monitor...
To: Amsat BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <417967.31991.qm@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
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Can someone point/provide a list of active birds to track? I enjoy just
tracking and listening sometimes, but I'm probably unaware of all the
possibilities.
Have the AMSAT list on the website, but figured there are more than I'm
aware of.
Thanks,
Elan WB2IOL
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:53:14 -0400
From: Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: List of Satellites to Track and Monitor...
To: Elan Portnoy <elanportnoy@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: Amsat BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <4AD9238A.7010002@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
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Elan Portnoy wrote:
> Can someone point/provide a list of active birds to track? I enjoy just
tracking and listening sometimes, but I'm probably unaware of all the
possibilities.
>
> Have the AMSAT list on the website, but figured there are more than I'm
aware of.
>
> Thanks,
> Elan WB2IOL
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One of my favorites: http://www.ne.jp/asahi/hamradio/je9pel/satslist.htm
73, Drew KO4MA
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:54:47 -0700
From: Phil Karn Jr KA9Q <karn@xxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] DMSP F18's launch vehicle far exceeds mission
requirements
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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Seems like a missed opportunity for a secondary payload. Sigh.
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:26:35 -0400
From: "Randy" <RSwart1@xxxxx.xx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] The power of complaining
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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QUOTE " It's a pity we can't harness the power of complaining to boost
things
to orbit...
73 Mark K6HX "
Mark ... I think that the orbit would be more like a VHEO .. *smile *
Randy - N2CUA
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:40:42 -0600
From: "Auke de Jong, VE6PWN" <sparkycivic@xxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Can we get them to fix AO-40 first then?
To: <kg4zlb@xxxxx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <064b01ca4edb$9a96f830$6400a8c0@xxxxxxx>
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Could the robots manage a closeup or high quality photo of the physical
condition of Oscar 40, just to stir the pot? I must guess that a great many
interested minds would be highly motivated and inspired by such a report!
Imagine how amazing it would be to know such things as the spin and
orientation, the presence of extra holes, missing/dammaged parts or panels,
etc!
I would doubt that there's anything a robot could to to effect any sort of
repair to this, but at least we could decide if it's worth leaving for
possible later recovery efforts , or trashing to improve the safety of
future craft. Either way, adventure awaits!
There is obviously a common interest in these observations, not only from
our ranks, but also for commercial and government interests, whose own
orbital gear(might nearly) crosse-paths with ours, and is therfore justified
for investigaion.
Auke
----- Original Message -----
From: "David - KG4ZLB" <kg4zlb@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 10:30 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Can we get them to fix AO-40 first then?
>
> Rogue satellites to be cleared from Earth's orbit by German robots
>
> German-built robots are to be sent into Earth's orbit to repair 'dead
> satellites' or push them into outer space, according to a report in
> Sunday's Guardian newspaper.
>
> Robots that rescue failing satellites and push 'dead' ones into outer
> space should be ready in four years, it has emerged. Experts described
> the development by German scientists as a crucial step in preventing a
> disaster in the Earth's crowded orbit.
>
> Last year it was reported that critical levels of debris circling the
> Earth were threatening astronauts' lives and the future of the
> multibillion-pound satellite communications industry. But senior figures
> at the German Aerospace Centre (DLR) told the /Observer/ they have been
> given the go-ahead to tackle a crisis that will come to a head in the
> next five to 10 years as more orbiting objects run out of fuel.
>
> Their robots will dock with failing satellites to carry out repairs or
> push them into "graveyard orbits", freeing vital space in geostationary
> orbit. This is the narrow band 22,000 miles above the Earth in which
> orbiting objects appear fixed at the same point. More than 200 dead
> satellites litter this orbit. Within 10 years that number could increase
> fivefold, the International Association for the Advancement of Space
> Safety has warned.
>
> You can read the full article / 'Rogue satellites to be cleared from
> Earth's orbit by German robots'/ at:
>
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2009/oct/11/space-robots-clear-rogue-satelli
tes
>
> --
> David
> KG4ZLB
> www.kg4zlb.com
>
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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:16:26 -0500
From: Rocky Jones <orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: DMSP F18's launch vehicle far exceeds mission
requirements
To: <karn@xxxx.xxx>, Amsat BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <COL106-W25731E8054E2DEFA9797F7D6C30@xxx.xxx>
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> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:54:47 -0700
> From: karn@xxxxxxxx.xxx
> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Subject: [amsat-bb] DMSP F18's launch vehicle far exceeds
mission requirements
>
> Seems like a missed opportunity for a secondary payload. Sigh.
Yeap there were two oppurtunities. 45 pounds of ballast on the secondary
slot of the Centaur...and the Centaur itself.
Robert WB5MZO
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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:29:16 -0500
From: Rocky Jones <orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Why do hamsats? (Or anything else...)
To: <k6hx@xxxx.xxx>, Amsat BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <COL106-W23256CD608E40EBDFA1B1ED6C30@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Mark
the two points you raise are interesting
Education...you wrote in part "
.
>
> It does list "intercommunication", but it also lists "self-training"
> and "technical investigations", which certainly have a clear
> educational mandate.
you can interpret that anyway you want to...but I dont see a mandate there
to do "general education"...but even if there was one...
it is bogus to say "this project failed in its main goal but was a success
because it did education". Put another way...the recent "crash on the Moon
and find water".
Would you really buy that the 80 million dollars spent was well spent if the
effort did not answer the basic scientific questions it was designed to do
(and we dont know if it did or did not but it probably didnt)...if it "did
good education" (my words).
I dont.
If the 80 million was going to do education, it should have been spent on
that...and there are ways to do it. If something has a primary goal and
that primary goal improves education then thats great...but when the primary
goal fails...it is a stretch of massive proportions to say "well it was a
success because it educated people".
I dont know how the "education" thing got into ham radio, but I imagine it
is one of the virus that we got when we started interfacing with NASA for
ham radio. There is no justification for human spaceflight (and I am not
the only one that thinks that...the Augustine Commission agrees there is
not) so NASA and its groupies try everything to justify it including
"education".
Yes, we could kick a very
> basic linear transponder out of the ISS, and it would float around in
> LEO and allow you to make some contacts, but so what? What purpose
> would be served?
A great deal. It would allow communications and experimentation and self
teaching in ham radio which is the essence of the hobby.
I'll turn it around. What purpose is going to be served by another flop
like Suitsat 1?
I hope I am wrong about the failure rate but probably not. We will
see...Suitsat2 is definatly going the way it is.
Robert WB5MZO
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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:38:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Patrick STODDARD \(WD9EWK/VA7EWK\)" <amsat-bb@xxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] WD9EWK on the air tomorrow...
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Hello from Tucson!
>From the hamfest tomorrow morning, I plan on working the
145.920/435.300 AO-51 repeater. On VO-52, I will be on the
high end of the passband. I typically try to park around
145.910 MHz USB on the downlink, and keeping in mind that
N2SPI will be up around 145.915 MHz USB on the 1535 UTC
pass I will try to work around him. If you are on VO-52
during that pass, look for both of us.
Later in the day, I will probably have lunch with some local
hams after the hamfest. I am not sure I will work the 2054
UTC AO-27 pass. Good luck to all of those working from rare
grids during that pass. I will try to be on from somewhere
in southeastern Arizona for the western AO-27 pass at 2235
UTC.
As for AO-51 in the evening - passes around 2318 and 0054
UTC - I will be somewhere in southeastern Arizona and/or
southwestern New Mexico. I may park on the Arizona/New
Mexico state line, or look to be on the DM51/DM52 boundary
from the New Mexico side of the border. I've worked from
these grids on past trips, but only from the Arizona side
of the border. I don't think I will try to drive up toward
DM53, or toward the DM6x grids in New Mexico, as I will be
driving back home in the evening.
Again, good luck to the others who are going out to rare or
unusual grids during various passes tomorrow. 73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
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