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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Off subject, but interesting (Samudra Haque)
2. Ballon (Jack K.)
3. Re: Can we get them to fix AO-40 first then? (Peter Guelzow)
4. Re: Can we get them to fix AO-40 first then? (Bob- W7LRD)
5. K2BSA and ARISS from the National Scouting Museum during JOTA
- 17 Oct. (Keith Pugh)
6. Re: Can we get them to fix AO-40 first then? (Samudra Haque)
7. DN00_01 Reminder Saturday (Mark Spencer)
8. What Are Others Using (Joel Black)
9. AO40 (rwmcgwier@xxxxx.xxxx
10. Re: What Are Others Using (Elan Portnoy)
11. Re: Can we get them to fix AO-40 first then? (myles landstein)
12. Re: What Are Others Using (David - KG4ZLB)
13. Re: What Are Others Using (Joel Black)
14. The Beef Frank is in the east (Rocky Jones)
15. Re: Can we get them to fix AO-40 first then? (Rocky Jones)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:08:47 -0400
From: Samudra Haque <samudra.haque@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Off subject, but interesting
To: n4csitwo@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
Cc: AMSAT-BB <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
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Well not interesting but very very very dangerous:
LIVE VIDEO: http://www.thedenverchannel.com/video/18205848/index.html
I hope there are smart SAR folks with net to snare the balloon before
it gets to high for the boy to breathe and stay conscious. I pray he
is ok !
-samudra
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 2:49 PM, David H. Jordan <n4csitwo@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
wrote:
> Tune into Fox now for a runaway balloon situation. A child is reported
inside.
>
> Dave
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:39:09 -0600
From: "Jack K." <kd1pe.1@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Ballon
Cc: "'Amsat BB'" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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The ballon is down... no one knows where the boy is, he is not in the ballon
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:30:03 +0200
From: Peter Guelzow <peter.guelzow@xxxxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Can we get them to fix AO-40 first then?
To: Rocky Jones <orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: Amsat BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>, samudra.haque@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4AD7945B.5060805@xxxxxx.xx>
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Hi Robert,
that's indeed the big question... We do not know in which attitude the
spacecraft is.. is it still spinning very slowly or tumbling? What is
the Solar-?-Angel?
If the S/C has a good orientation to the sun and the battery opens, than
there should be enough power to operate the IHU and Beacon etc... do
some magnetorquing to improve attitude.
Something like this was done when AO-10 was hit by the last rocket
stage, spinning the wrong direction with sun directly on top and almost
no power...
Unfolding the solar panels would give very high power only when they are
oriented towards the sun. With folded solar arrays, all panels around
the satellite can still see the sun around it's spin axis.
Only when it shines on top or bottom, we will have problems...
73s Peter
Rocky Jones wrote:
> Peter.
>
> In the current configuration (or the last known config) of the vehicle
> does the vehicle have sufficient solar illumination to "spin" and
> maintain the DC busses without a battery?
>
> Robert WB5MZO
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now.
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:22:35 +0000 (UTC)
From: Bob- W7LRD <w7lrd@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Can we get them to fix AO-40 first then?
To: Peter Guelzow <peter.guelzow@xxxxxx.xx>
Cc: Amsat BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>, samudra haque
<samudra.haque@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID:
<1864974397.4130201255645355931.JavaMail.root@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xx.xxxx.xxxxx
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I am pleasantly amused by the interest? in all probability of a dead bird.?
Can you imagine the explosion in interest and excitement on this bb if it
ever came back.? It would be nice but we? can only ?play with L/S modes on
the occasional AO-51.
73 Bob W7LRD
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Guelzow" <peter.guelzow@xxxxxx.xx>
To: "Rocky Jones" <orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: "Amsat BB" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>, "samudra haque" <samudra.haque@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:30:03 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Can we get them to fix AO-40 first then?
Hi Robert,
that's indeed the big question... ? We do not know in which attitude the
spacecraft is.. ?is it still spinning very slowly or tumbling? ?What is
the Solar-?-Angel?
If the S/C has a good orientation to the sun and the battery opens, than
there should be enough power to operate the IHU and Beacon etc... do
some magnetorquing to improve attitude.
Something like this was done when AO-10 was hit by the last rocket
stage, spinning the wrong direction with sun directly on top and almost
no power...
Unfolding the solar panels would give very high power only when they are
oriented towards the sun. ?With folded solar arrays, all panels around
the satellite can still see the sun around it's spin axis.
Only when it shines on top or bottom, we will have problems...
73s Peter
Rocky Jones wrote:
> Peter.
>
> In the current configuration (or the last known config) of the vehicle
> does the vehicle have sufficient solar illumination to "spin" and
> maintain the DC busses without a battery?
>
> Robert WB5MZO
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now.
> <http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/>
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:23:21 -0500
From: "Keith Pugh" <w5iu@xxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] K2BSA and ARISS from the National Scouting Museum
during JOTA - 17 Oct.
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: jota@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <516EDD5ECB6540DFBF8979AB7303070D@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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K2BSA will be operating on the Amateur Radio Satellites from the National
Scouting Museum in Irving, TX, from 14:00 to 22:00 UTC on Saturday, 17 Oct.
2009. We will be on as many of the passes listed below as possible. We
will be operating as a portable, hand-held station. Bring your Scouts and
join us on the "Birds."
WinAos QTH: -97.0/32.9 T#: 11612 Sat.: 6 [Standard]
----------------------------------------------------------
Day Object AOS (U) LOS Period maxEl AZ
----------------------------------------------------------
17.10.2009 SO-50 14:41 14:50 09 10 356 - 098
17.10.2009 AO-07 14:47 15:06 19 37 005 - 225
17.10.2009 VO-52 15:35 15:48 13 35 023 - 176
17.10.2009 SO-50 16:20 16:33 13 76 330 - 155
17.10.2009 VO-52 17:12 17:23 11 16 348 - 228
17.10.2009 AO-27 19:10 19:23 13 20 129 - 003
17.10.2009 AO-27 20:48 21:03 15 39 185 - 340
There will also be an ARISS Contact with Scouts at the museum that will take
place starting at 21:53 UTC. This will be a Telebridge contact via WH6PN in
Hawaii. The contact will be on the EchoLink AMSAT Conference and on a wide
area, 442.400 MHz repeater in the Dallas/Fort Worth area.
73 - Keith, W5IU
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:53:54 -0400
From: Samudra Haque <samudra.haque@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Can we get them to fix AO-40 first then?
To: Peter Guelzow <peter.guelzow@xxxxxx.xx>
Cc: Amsat BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID:
<d8c724880910151553j2e5dfb04lc3387173d688cf61@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
I reached out today and talked to a professional astronomer, and here
is the response. Before we start a project to actually take a detailed
photo of the AO-40 in Space, could someone work with me directly to
determine the coordinates that we could provide as requested:
>>
Hi Samudra,
We would have to know the exact coordinates ahead of time, point the
telescope there, then start imaging as it flies through the field of
view.
Since we've never done it, I don't know how doable it actually is. I'm
pretty certain we don't have the cameras...
It's possible, but we would need more info and possible differetn equipment.
>>
The group I approached is a reputable one associated with their own
observatory, locally to the Washington DC area. If anyone is
interested to help out with the mathematics required, please contact
me directly at n3rdx@xxxxx.xxx. I know of two other groups who can be
approached locally, but we must given them all the details of
size/configuration etc. Could be an interesting intellectual challenge
while people are waiting for new sats to be designed.
-samudra
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Peter Guelzow <peter.guelzow@xxxxxx.xx>
wrote:
> Hi Robert,
>
> that's indeed the big question... ? We do not know in which attitude the
> spacecraft is.. ?is it still spinning very slowly or tumbling? ?What is
> the Solar-?-Angel?
> If the S/C has a good orientation to the sun and the battery opens, than
> there should be enough power to operate the IHU and Beacon etc... do
> some magnetorquing to improve attitude.
> Something like this was done when AO-10 was hit by the last rocket
> stage, spinning the wrong direction with sun directly on top and almost
> no power...
> Unfolding the solar panels would give very high power only when they are
> oriented towards the sun. ?With folded solar arrays, all panels around
> the satellite can still see the sun around it's spin axis.
> Only when it shines on top or bottom, we will have problems...
>
> 73s Peter
>
>
>
> Rocky Jones wrote:
>> Peter.
>>
>> In the current configuration (or the last known config) of the vehicle
>> does the vehicle have sufficient solar illumination to "spin" and
>> maintain the DC busses without a battery?
>>
>> Robert WB5MZO
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now.
>> <http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/>
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:56:31 -0700
From: "Mark Spencer" <mspencer@xxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] DN00_01 Reminder Saturday
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID:
<20091015225640.CCA7E518EB93@xxxxxxxxxxx.x.xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
My adventure to DN00/01 is on track for October 17 (Saturday) and I will be
on the AO27 2054Z pass. If you hear me, give me a call. No QSL or SASE
necessary, just an e-mail reminder to check my logs to get your QSL.
Mark
Mark Spencer, WA8SME
ARRL, the national association for Amateur RadioT
Education and Technology Program Coordinator
mspencer@xxxx.xxx
http://www.arrl.org/FandES/tbp/
530-495-9150
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:15:03 -0500
From: Joel Black <jbblack@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] What Are Others Using
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4AD7ACF7.6020806@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Years ago, when I first started operating the satellites, I used an
IC-821. I "graduated" up to an FT-847. I don't ever remember using
software to tune the rig (the IC-821 or FT-847) only software to steer
the antennas.
For the life of me, I cannot seem to find my downlink using the FT-847
and *any* tuning software with the linear birds (AO-7 and VO-52). It
works fine with the "fixed" freq FM birds which, understandably, is
easier for it to track. I am just wondering, does *anyone* use tuning
software with the linear birds or do you just tune it manually?
73,
Joel, W4JBB
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:17:58 +0000
From: rwmcgwier@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO40
To: "amsat bb" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID:
<195163747-1255648529-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1139754403-@xxx
xxx.xxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain
For the panels to be deployed, useful, etc. the spacecraft needs to be
despun. For the despun spacecraft to work, the thermal control system must
work. For the thermal control system to be trusted we would need to know
that after the incidents the heat pipes were intact enough to function.
No one could make these determinations too a certainty and there would be an
argument that would likely end with a decisio this is unacceptable risk.
Why is it so difficult for people to realize these are complex systems with
huge numbers of interactions and dependencies and further, almost surely all
such questions have been fully examined?
Bob
N4hy
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:18:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Elan Portnoy <elanportnoy@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: What Are Others Using
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <758100.56922.qm@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
SatPC32 works great on the linear birds. Takes a little tuning to get on the
right freq, but works nicely after setup.
--- On Thu, 10/15/09, Joel Black <jbblack@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> From: Joel Black <jbblack@xxxxxxx.xxx>
> Subject: [amsat-bb] What Are Others Using
> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 6:15 PM
> Years ago, when I first started
> operating the satellites, I used an
> IC-821.? I "graduated" up to an FT-847.? I don't
> ever remember using
> software to tune the rig (the IC-821 or FT-847) only
> software to steer
> the antennas.
>
> For the life of me, I cannot seem to find my downlink using
> the FT-847
> and *any* tuning software with the linear birds (AO-7 and
> VO-52).? It
> works fine with the "fixed" freq FM birds which,
> understandably, is
> easier for it to track.? I am just wondering, does
> *anyone* use tuning
> software with the linear birds or do you just tune it
> manually?
>
> 73,
> Joel, W4JBB
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:01:22 -0400
From: myles landstein <myles.landstein@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Can we get them to fix AO-40 first then?
To: Samudra Haque <samudra.haque@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: Amsat BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <035AAEF9-A884-4BD1-9465-2D7B46025106@xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes
if a 'special' camera is required, often, cameras (even really
good ones, or special purpose )
can be rented for a short time for a very very reasonable rate
On Oct 15, 2009, at 6:53 PM, Samudra Haque wrote:
> I reached out today and talked to a professional astronomer, and here
> is the response. Before we start a project to actually take a detailed
> photo of the AO-40 in Space, could someone work with me directly to
> determine the coordinates that we could provide as requested:
>
>>>
> Hi Samudra,
>
> We would have to know the exact coordinates ahead of time, point the
> telescope there, then start imaging as it flies through the field of
> view.
>
> Since we've never done it, I don't know how doable it actually is. I'm
> pretty certain we don't have the cameras...
>
> It's possible, but we would need more info and possible differetn
> equipment.
>
>>>
>
> The group I approached is a reputable one associated with their own
> observatory, locally to the Washington DC area. If anyone is
> interested to help out with the mathematics required, please contact
> me directly at n3rdx@xxxxx.xxx. I know of two other groups who can be
> approached locally, but we must given them all the details of
> size/configuration etc. Could be an interesting intellectual challenge
> while people are waiting for new sats to be designed.
>
> -samudra
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Peter Guelzow <peter.guelzow@xxxxxx.xx
> > wrote:
>> Hi Robert,
>>
>> that's indeed the big question... We do not know in which
>> attitude the
>> spacecraft is.. is it still spinning very slowly or tumbling?
>> What is
>> the Solar-?-Angel?
>> If the S/C has a good orientation to the sun and the battery opens,
>> than
>> there should be enough power to operate the IHU and Beacon etc... do
>> some magnetorquing to improve attitude.
>> Something like this was done when AO-10 was hit by the last rocket
>> stage, spinning the wrong direction with sun directly on top and
>> almost
>> no power...
>> Unfolding the solar panels would give very high power only when
>> they are
>> oriented towards the sun. With folded solar arrays, all panels
>> around
>> the satellite can still see the sun around it's spin axis.
>> Only when it shines on top or bottom, we will have problems...
>>
>> 73s Peter
>>
>>
>>
>> Rocky Jones wrote:
>>> Peter.
>>>
>>> In the current configuration (or the last known config) of the
>>> vehicle
>>> does the vehicle have sufficient solar illumination to "spin" and
>>> maintain the DC busses without a battery?
>>>
>>> Robert WB5MZO
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now.
>>> <http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/>
>>
>>
>
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Myles Landstein
myles.landstein@xxxxx.xxx
please note my new email address
dti will soon be eliminated , gmail is my new home update your dir
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:39:21 -0400
From: David - KG4ZLB <kg4zlb@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: What Are Others Using
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4AD7C0B9.1080004@xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Seconded!
Buy the licence, donate to AMSAT - easy!
--
David
KG4ZLB
www.kg4zlb.com
Elan Portnoy wrote:
> SatPC32 works great on the linear birds. Takes a little tuning to get on
the right freq, but works nicely after setup.
>
>
>
> --- On Thu, 10/15/09, Joel Black <jbblack@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:03:13 -0500
From: Joel Black <jbblack68@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: What Are Others Using
To: kg4zlb@xxxxx.xxx
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID:
<73583d7a0910151903o6263a9d6lcb2dbbab55111b92@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
My, my at the assumption. I've been a customer of SatPC32 for more than six
years. I've been on sabbatical. :) Trying to get the cobwebs cleaned out.
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 7:39 PM, David - KG4ZLB <kg4zlb@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>wrote:
> Seconded!
>
> Buy the licence, donate to AMSAT - easy!
>
> --
> David
> KG4ZLB
> www.kg4zlb.com
>
>
>
> Elan Portnoy wrote:
> > SatPC32 works great on the linear birds. Takes a little tuning to get on
> the right freq, but works nicely after setup.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Thu, 10/15/09, Joel Black <jbblack@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
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> >
> >
>
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:14:49 -0500
From: Rocky Jones <orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] The Beef Frank is in the east
To: <ka3hdo@xxxxxxx.xxx>, Amsat BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <COL106-W11007711AFDC95B5A85367D6C40@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Pasture...along with the milking cows, a few goats, and yes the chickens and
ducks. The Longhorn is there more or less for show (no tribute to George
Abbey BTW)
Sorry for the late reply Frank. My wife and I are pregnant so we spent the
afternoon looking around The CLEAR LAKE Texas and Santa Fe area for
hospitals that are on either of our health insurance plans. Then we took
the in laws to dinner at The Aquarium in KEMAH (the boardwalk at Kemah) (it
is the mother in laws birthday), after which we had some pleasant
conversation.
I stress our itinerary because it tells the group what you must already know
(since you are in the keyboard commando mode) that I live in the area of
Houston that the JSC calls home. Running the call sign would have told you
that. The House is about 1.2 nm from the North gate of JSC just south on
Space Center. In normal times I jog the course there and back four times
in the morning. I've lived in Clear Lake for quite a bit. Still own the
house there although after my latest DXpedition the housesitter wont be
clear of it until Jan next year. Fortunately we have the farm in Santa Fe.
Since I live in the area I have quite a few
friends/chums/associates/neighbors/etc who are current employees at NASA or
the contractors. They know I am interested in space policy, amateur radio
(you should see the setup at the house in Clear Lake), and share things.
That is one source of information and it is pretty good. It is good enough
for the statement I made. (I am amused that you ran me through the data
base, but caution you that NASA watch pointed out how flawed that data base
is...)
So after conversation with the family and before responding to the post you
put out I fed it through the USC "internet flame war" program that is
standard US government affair and found out that both you and Jeff Hanley
managed a email that touched all the "internet flame war" points. Two peas
in a pod I guess
Frank, I dont respond kindly to emails where the person sending puts up a
claim that I didnt make (""know all" that is going on within NASA") and then
starts his own rant with a question based on that premise (" And how
> are you all knowing???). And does it all in public not in a private
email. People on the board have asked me what I do privately and I've been
pleased to give them chapter line and verse. This time I'll be kind and
just chalk it up to you having gone zero impedance to ground over how things
are going.
I did find the "
> Or are you using another alias besides Robert Oler or Rocky Jones?" amusing.
It is the weakest of the internet flame tactics you use and the most amusing
. It is also even more nonsensical then the rest of the post from you. I
have signed everything on this BB and as best I can tell on the "internets"
(to quote our last President) with my full name or my name that has some
identifier with it so it is not just a "Robert". That is where the call
sign comes in handy. With me posting my call sign if you are confused,
well that is your fault, not mine. The line you use is a little above "when
did you stop beating you're wife" in logical validity.
Finally..
As for 80 percent of "suitsat 2 failing"...actually that is the consensus
among a lot of folks at the center. I give "Suitsat 2" less then 10 percent
chance of working. That didnt take oh several decades of dealing with
complex programs or a bunch of US government schools or a lot of engineering
degrees to figure out. It is really not "rocket science"...Suitsat 1 was a
bomb and it was much simpler. Now they are trying something more
complicated... I am not even sure it deploys. If it flops well it is hard
to see a lot of ham radio traction on the space station after that.
But Just think, if it works you can tell me I was wrong! Wont that be fun?
Are you upset because you have heard the same thing? LOL
Find some manners, stop the internet flame postings and try and be a "facts
and data" kind of guy in deeds no just words you will get farther. If you
cant then I can get more aggressive!. Have a great Thursday night.
Robert G. Oler WB5MZO
> From: ka3hdo@xxxxxxx.xxx
> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:21:10 -0400
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Where's the Beef?
>
> Robert,
>
> You commented:
>
> "As for AMSAT's ARISSsat transponder. Well we will see if it works. They
> are not exactly burning up the track record with success. We have had this
> argument and I am willing to sit back and see if it goes, but it is far to
> much project for the program. Most of the folks I know at JSC give it less
> then 20 percent chance of working...In fact it was a source of mirth at a
> recent BDAY party."
>
> All your e-mails give the impression that you are well positioned within JSC
> and "know all" that is going on within NASA. But when I did a Search for
> your name within the NASA employee and contractor database, the database
> comes up empty handed.
>
> Given that I am a "facts and data" kind of guy, what up with this? And how
> are you all knowing??? What do you really do for a living?? Who are these
> people you are talking to that are so opinionated?
>
> Or are you using another alias besides Robert Oler or Rocky Jones? Or is
> all you are posting on this listserv just your own kind of fluff??
>
> Inquiring minds want to know.
>
> Frank, KA3HDO
>
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:20:17 -0500
From: Rocky Jones <orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Can we get them to fix AO-40 first then?
To: <peter.guelzow@xxxxxx.xx>
Cc: Amsat BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>, samudra.haque@xxxxx.xxx
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Hello Peter and thanks for the reply...sorry mine was so late, busy afternoon.
you answered my question. I had "heard" that with the arrays folded or
based on some failures...that AO-40 did not have 360 degree coverage in
solar cells around its spin access.
If that was the case then the battery was going to be essential for any type
of recovery...but since it is not accurate then I agree if the battery will
open (do a "seven") then the only question would be the Solar angle.
Thank you for a very good and straight forward answer 73
Robert WB5MZO
> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:30:03 +0200
> From: peter.guelzow@xxxxxx.xx
> To: orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx
> CC: samudra.haque@xxxxx.xxxx amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: Can we get them to fix AO-40 first then?
>
> Hi Robert,
>
> that's indeed the big question... We do not know in which attitude the
> spacecraft is.. is it still spinning very slowly or tumbling? What is
> the Solar-?-Angel?
> If the S/C has a good orientation to the sun and the battery opens, than
> there should be enough power to operate the IHU and Beacon etc... do
> some magnetorquing to improve attitude.
> Something like this was done when AO-10 was hit by the last rocket
> stage, spinning the wrong direction with sun directly on top and almost
> no power...
> Unfolding the solar panels would give very high power only when they are
> oriented towards the sun. With folded solar arrays, all panels around
> the satellite can still see the sun around it's spin axis.
> Only when it shines on top or bottom, we will have problems...
>
> 73s Peter
>
>
>
> Rocky Jones wrote:
> > Peter.
> >
> > In the current configuration (or the last known config) of the vehicle
> > does the vehicle have sufficient solar illumination to "spin" and
> > maintain the DC busses without a battery?
> >
> > Robert WB5MZO
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