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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Can we get them to fix AO-40 first then? (Edward Cole)
2. Re: Let's Go! (Joseph Armbruster)
3. Re: Let's Go! (Samudra Haque)
4. Re: Let's Go! (Samudra Haque)
5. Re: AMSAT Symposium News Posted to the Web (Mark VandeWettering)
6. Re: Let's Go! (Andrew Glasbrenner)
7. Re: AMSAT Symposium News Posted to the Web (Michael Tondee)
8. Re: Let's Go! (Andrew Glasbrenner)
9. Re: Can we get them to fix AO-40 first then? (Rocky Jones)
10. LVB Tracker (WILLIAMS MICHAEL)
11. Re: AMSAT Symposium News Posted to the Web (John B. Stephensen)
12. Re: AMSAT Symposium News Posted to the Web (Bob McGwier)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:08:11 -0800
From: Edward Cole <kl7uw@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Can we get them to fix AO-40 first then?
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At 07:52 AM 10/12/2009, John P. Toscano wrote:
>Indeed, it would be wonderful if the patient "woke up" from her long
>sleep like AO-7 did. There's no harm in wishing, even when the odds of
>success are so slim...
>
>73 de W?JT
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John,
I have had discussion on this topic with Drew and
I believe that periodically commands are
transmitted in the off chance that they might be
received. I do not recall what band the command
is on but I will soon have a very large L-band
station (16-foot dish (34.5 dBi gain) and 300w at
the feed) that could make some attempts with
commanding. This is an eme station, of
course. I hope to be QRV by December. I also
wonder how good the Keps are for AO-40. My L-band beamwidth is only 2.5 deg.
73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:29:22 -0400
From: Joseph Armbruster <josepharmbruster@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Let's Go!
To: Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Andrew,
Is there any type of document around that provides a brief summary of all
current Amsat projects and the type of funding / support that is needed for
each?
This was my first time at the symposium and I haven't made it through all
the pamphlets and papers yet, so forgive me if this was part of the package.
Joe
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Andrew Glasbrenner <
glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> Thanks for the vote of confidence Jeff. I'll repeat what Bill said; this
> was a tough decision, but based on reality and part of a larger plan
> forward. We are also working multiple rideshare opportunities, most of
> which will likely involve transponders rather than repeaters.
>
> What we really need now is to raise the money we need to start design
> and construction, and get a launch contract in the works. The 1U cubesat
> is going to be a short fuse project if we can get the funding raised
> soon enough.
>
> Barry's presentation at the annual meeting lays out the level of funds
> we need, approximately 100k this year and again next year, to support
> the 1U, and one or more rideshares. Our membership dues only cover
> keeping AMSAT alive and running the office, journal, webstore, etc.
>
> Who'll be among the first to step up and pledge to support this project
> via the President's Club or other donations? Call Martha today at 1 888
> 322 6728 or donate via
> http://www.amsat-na.com/store/category.php?c=President%27s%20Club
>
> 73, Drew KO4MA
>
>
>
> Jeff Davis wrote:
> > I want to offer 'hearty congratulations' to the BOD for the courageous
> > decisions made at the recent Space Symposium. I can think of no
> > headline more appropriate and welcome for this organization than the
> > declaration, "We're going back to space".
> >
> > Perhaps this decision to move forward with what we can do will also be
> > what was needed to get the manufacturers to quit sitting on their
> > hands and INNOVATE!
> >
> > How many threads have been spawned on this BB by someone asking the
> > question "what handheld should I buy to use AO-51"..?
> >
> > The fact that the pat answer is that there aren't any - you need to
> > check eBay for a 20 year-old model speaks pitifully of the ham radio
> > marketplace in the 21st century.
> >
> > Given the nature of LEO, portable operations are very common and going
> > forward, will be even more so. Who among us wouldn't love a mobile
> > sized transceiver that sported true simultaneous dual-band (VHF/UHF)
> > operation and a continuously tunable VFO on FM in a 'satellite
> > operation mode'?
> >
> > What would it be worth if that radio also could record all pass data -
> > and had a USB port that supported a memory stick so that everything
> > received during a pass could stored on it for offline extraction and
> > study later when you're back in the shack. It wouldn't even require an
> > internal TNC to download telemetry data - the audio file could simply
> > be played back (offline) on a PC and the telemetry decoded there.
> >
> > There are bound to be hundreds of similar ideas and dreams of new
> > gear, antennas, and interesting things to do at LEO - let's populate
> > the BB with these sorts of things and look forward, not back.
> >
> > I'm more than ready to turn to a new chapter and get back to shaping
> > the future of ham radio in space.
> >
> > Aren't you?
> >
> > 73 de Jeff, KE9V
> > AMSAT-NA 28350
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
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> >
> >
>
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:42:43 -0400
From: Samudra Haque <samudra.haque@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Let's Go!
To: Joseph Armbruster <josepharmbruster@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Joseph Armbruster
<josepharmbruster@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> Andrew,
> Is there any type of document around that provides a brief summary of all
> current Amsat projects and the type of funding / support that is needed for
> each?
>
> This was my first time at the symposium and I haven't made it through all
> the pamphlets and papers yet, so forgive me if this was part of the package.
>
> Joe
>
Hi,
if a gross estimate of $200,000 is needed for a stand-alone cubesat
form mission, and there are "... about half are life-members..." of
the 3,800 (re: Martha's estimate) of amsat-na members, that means that
the average per capita support required from these active amsat-na
members would be: $200,000 divided by (50% of 3800) = $200,000 / 1900
= $263 or so.
If $263 is a difficult amount to pay up front, then think of it in 24
monthly installments: $10 each month - not bad for a hobby compared to
the price of a decent lunch at Burger King, KFC, Subway etc. The one
thing I would need to know is this extra donation tax-exempt or not
and would we get a receipt for it in time for U.S. taxes ?
I am willing to pay a bit more than that as my own donation soon for
supporting AMSAT-NA sponsored R&D.
-samudra
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Andrew Glasbrenner <
> glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the vote of confidence Jeff. I'll repeat what Bill said; this
>> was a tough decision, but based on reality and part of a larger plan
>> forward. We are also working multiple rideshare opportunities, most of
>> which will likely involve transponders rather than repeaters.
>>
>> What we really need now is to raise the money we need to start design
>> and construction, and get a launch contract in the works. The 1U cubesat
>> is going to be a short fuse project if we can get the funding raised
>> soon enough.
>>
>> Barry's presentation at the annual meeting lays out the level of funds
>> we need, approximately 100k this year and again next year, to support
>> the 1U, and one or more rideshares. Our membership dues only cover
>> keeping AMSAT alive and running the office, journal, webstore, etc.
>>
>> Who'll be among the first to step up and pledge to support this project
>> via the President's Club or other donations? Call Martha today at 1 888
>> 322 6728 or donate via
>> http://www.amsat-na.com/store/category.php?c=President%27s%20Club
>>
>> 73, Drew KO4MA
>>
>>
>>
>> Jeff Davis wrote:
>> > I want to offer 'hearty congratulations' to the BOD for the courageous
>> > decisions made at the recent Space Symposium. I can think of no
>> > headline more appropriate and welcome for this organization than the
>> > declaration, "We're going back to space".
>> >
>> > Perhaps this decision to move forward with what we can do will also be
>> > what was needed to get the manufacturers to quit sitting on their
>> > hands and INNOVATE!
>> >
>> > How many threads have been spawned on this BB by someone asking the
>> > question "what handheld should I buy to use AO-51"..?
>> >
>> > The fact that the pat answer is that there aren't any - you need to
>> > check eBay for a 20 year-old model speaks pitifully of the ham radio
>> > marketplace in the 21st century.
>> >
>> > Given the nature of LEO, portable operations are very common and going
>> > forward, will be even more so. Who among us wouldn't love a mobile
>> > sized transceiver that sported true simultaneous dual-band (VHF/UHF)
>> > operation and a continuously tunable VFO on FM in a 'satellite
>> > operation mode'?
>> >
>> > What would it be worth if that radio also could record all pass data -
>> > and had a USB port that supported a memory stick so that everything
>> > received during a pass could stored on it for offline extraction and
>> > study later when you're back in the shack. It wouldn't even require an
>> > internal TNC to download telemetry data - the audio file could simply
>> > be played back (offline) on a PC and the telemetry decoded there.
>> >
>> > There are bound to be hundreds of similar ideas and dreams of new
>> > gear, antennas, and interesting things to do at LEO - let's populate
>> > the BB with these sorts of things and look forward, not back.
>> >
>> > I'm more than ready to turn to a new chapter and get back to shaping
>> > the future of ham radio in space.
>> >
>> > Aren't you?
>> >
>> > 73 de Jeff, KE9V
>> > AMSAT-NA 28350
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
>> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>> program!
>> > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>> >
>> >
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:43:53 -0400
From: Samudra Haque <samudra.haque@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Let's Go!
To: Joseph Armbruster <josepharmbruster@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Sorry, that monthly figure should be $10.96 per month exactly.
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Samudra Haque <samudra.haque@xxxxx.xxx>
wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Joseph Armbruster
> <josepharmbruster@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>> Andrew,
>> Is there any type of document around that provides a brief summary of all
>> current Amsat projects and the type of funding / support that is needed for
>> each?
>>
>> This was my first time at the symposium and I haven't made it through all
>> the pamphlets and papers yet, so forgive me if this was part of the
package.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>
> Hi,
>
> if a gross estimate of $200,000 is needed for a stand-alone cubesat
> form mission, and there are "... about half are life-members..." of
> the 3,800 (re: Martha's estimate) of amsat-na members, that means that
> the average per capita support required from these active amsat-na
> members would be: $200,000 divided by (50% of 3800) ?= $200,000 / 1900
> = $263 or so.
>
> If $263 is a difficult amount to pay up front, then think of it in 24
> monthly installments: $10 each month - not bad for a hobby compared to
> the price of a decent lunch at Burger King, KFC, Subway etc. The one
> thing I would need to know is this extra donation tax-exempt or not
> and would we get a receipt for it in time for U.S. taxes ?
>
> I am willing to pay a bit more than that as my own donation soon for
> supporting AMSAT-NA sponsored R&D.
>
> -samudra
>
>
>> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Andrew Glasbrenner <
>> glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the vote of confidence Jeff. I'll repeat what Bill said; this
>>> was a tough decision, but based on reality and part of a larger plan
>>> forward. We are also working multiple rideshare opportunities, most of
>>> which will likely involve transponders rather than repeaters.
>>>
>>> What we really need now is to raise the money we need to start design
>>> and construction, and get a launch contract in the works. The 1U cubesat
>>> is going to be a short fuse project if we can get the funding raised
>>> soon enough.
>>>
>>> Barry's presentation at the annual meeting lays out the level of funds
>>> we need, approximately 100k this year and again next year, to support
>>> the 1U, and one or more rideshares. Our membership dues only cover
>>> keeping AMSAT alive and running the office, journal, webstore, etc.
>>>
>>> Who'll be among the first to step up and pledge to support this project
>>> via the President's Club or other donations? Call Martha today at 1 888
>>> 322 6728 or donate via
>>> http://www.amsat-na.com/store/category.php?c=President%27s%20Club
>>>
>>> 73, Drew KO4MA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jeff Davis wrote:
>>> > I want to offer 'hearty congratulations' to the BOD for the courageous
>>> > decisions made at the recent Space Symposium. I can think of no
>>> > headline more appropriate and welcome for this organization than the
>>> > declaration, "We're going back to space".
>>> >
>>> > Perhaps this decision to move forward with what we can do will also be
>>> > what was needed to get the manufacturers to quit sitting on their
>>> > hands and INNOVATE!
>>> >
>>> > How many threads have been spawned on this BB by someone asking the
>>> > question "what handheld should I buy to use AO-51"..?
>>> >
>>> > The fact that the pat answer is that there aren't any - you need to
>>> > check eBay for a 20 year-old model speaks pitifully of the ham radio
>>> > marketplace in the 21st century.
>>> >
>>> > Given the nature of LEO, portable operations are very common and going
>>> > forward, will be even more so. Who among us wouldn't love a mobile
>>> > sized transceiver that sported true simultaneous dual-band (VHF/UHF)
>>> > operation and a continuously tunable VFO on FM in a 'satellite
>>> > operation mode'?
>>> >
>>> > What would it be worth if that radio also could record all pass data -
>>> > and had a USB port that supported a memory stick so that everything
>>> > received during a pass could stored on it for offline extraction and
>>> > study later when you're back in the shack. It wouldn't even require an
>>> > internal TNC to download telemetry data - the audio file could simply
>>> > be played back (offline) on a PC and the telemetry decoded there.
>>> >
>>> > There are bound to be hundreds of similar ideas and dreams of new
>>> > gear, antennas, and interesting things to do at LEO - let's populate
>>> > the BB with these sorts of things and look forward, not back.
>>> >
>>> > I'm more than ready to turn to a new chapter and get back to shaping
>>> > the future of ham radio in space.
>>> >
>>> > Aren't you?
>>> >
>>> > 73 de Jeff, KE9V
>>> > AMSAT-NA 28350
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
>>> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>>> program!
>>> > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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>> _______________________________________________
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:54:31 -0700
From: Mark VandeWettering <kf6kyi@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Symposium News Posted to the Web
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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> The funding solution will go by an international funding campaign and by a
fixed minimal contribution per amateur who want's to have an
> HEO. I am member of a local marina and each new member should pay a one
time Dredging Fee of 250$. The marina is open here from May 15 to
> October 4 about 5 months. I can used a satellite 12 months am i willing to
pay 250$ a year YES and could be more if a sound international
> structure with well defined planning and objectives can demonstrate a
serious will towards the next HEO.
Well, it's nice that you have an amount in mind for how much you would
pay. Frankly, I'd probably be willing to spend 4x as that much. It
probably would take that level of funding to get purchase a launch.
As far as I know, the terms of the bid that Arianspace quoted AMSAT-DL
were never released, but we get hints of the it in presentations like:
http://mstl.atl.calpoly.edu/~bklofas/Presentations/AMSATUK2009/3b_Gulzow-P3E.p
df
which suggests that 20,000 euros per kilogram isn't absurd, and they'd
be lucky to get a launch for half that price. This would yield a
price for P3E of only (!) 1.7 million euros, or 2.5 million dollars
U.S. AMSAT-DL didn't think such a launch was feasible, and claims
that the costs were (in ttheir words) "one order of magnitude too
expensive". As they say, "bitter" reality of their funding efforts
is that the attractiveness of amateur radio has dropped significantly,
and that funding a P3 satellite from amateur resources alone "seems
not to work now and probably never again?". In light of this,
AMSAT-DL has pursued tax money from their covernment to pursue a 20M
euro effort to fund launches for P5A and P3E. I wish them luck, but
in the current economic environment, as well as past experience, I
think there is some reason for skepticism, or at least, no expectation
for a quick resolution to this issue.
> There is already a lot of dedicated peoples around the amateurs radio
satellite business who are only making their own small things in
> their small backyard. Why not regrouping their energies and money towards
"ONLY ONE SINGLE" big project? In the amateur satellite world we
> called that a HEO satellite as AO-40 and as AO-07 AO-10 AO-13 generation
who where the first steps towards AO-40.
I think the reason against such a strategy is quite simple, and it is
absolutely personified in AO-40. Yes, AO-40 was a remarkable,
amazing, revolutionary amateur satellite. But radio amateurs put all
their eggs in one basket, and that basket had a hole in it, and all
the eggs tumbled out, and now we are left not only with no eggs, but
with an environment where people might (reasonably in fact) ask why
they should put all their eggs in one basket again, particularly
because these baskets have rocket motors filled with hydrazine and
nitrogen tetroxide inside. Even if we could fund an HEO launch, I
still think it is a matter of debate as to whether launching these
kinds of expensive, heavy satellites is a project which provides the
greatest utility toward the amateur service.
> Just to be clear my opinion is not against the collective effort and
people works but against some of the objectives they carry. Volunteers
> motivation should be the best interest of all not the few.
I find this statement a bit disingenous. The simple truth is that
satellites in HEO are usable by fewer, not more hams. If we really
were trying to provide a satellite which benefitted most hams, it
seems pursuing a strategy which minimizes their personal investment in
ground stations is entirely reasonable. Despite your assertion that
AO-51 is a mistake, I would counter that it's been enormously
successful: a long-lived versatile satellite that provides interesting
opportunities for people not just on VU but on L and S band.
Bruce (I think it was Bruce) suggested that the cost ratio between a
cubesat launch and an heo launch was around 125/1. To compare apples
to apples, we'd have to compare the benefits of having 125 cubesats
(perhaps carrying full V/U transponders like the ones designed by
PE1RAH) versus one satellite in HEO.
AMSAT's strategy is I think an entirely reasonable strategy.
Cubesats are a reality: they will continue to be launched. As yet,
they have not been of enormous utility to radio amateurs because they
carry only the kind of radio payloads that they need to support their
scientific objectives. But miniaturization has resulted in the
possibility for a solar cell carrying cubesat to carry a full V/U
transponder. The trick is getting these university and scientific
projects to carry them for us into space, so we can make use of them
when their scientific missions are over. We can do that by providing
them with a tested radio module that integrates the functions they use
as a standardized item. This allows them to concentrate on their
mission and not have to design custom radio modules for their cubesat.
This allows them to get to orbit cheaper and quicker. And, it puts
hardware we can use in orbit. And here's the best part: we don't pay
for it, they do (modulo our one time costs for developing the hardware
in the first place, which is very minimal compared to the launch
costs).
We'd all like an HEO launch. But until you can figure out how to
raise several million euros to accomplish the goal, it doesn't seem to
be a worthwhile endeavor to complain about spending a few tens of
thousands on this project.
73 Mark K6HX
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:55:09 -0400
From: Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Let's Go!
To: Joseph Armbruster <josepharmbruster@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Joseph Armbruster wrote:
> Andrew,
>
> Is there any type of document around that provides a brief summary of
> all current Amsat projects and the type of funding / support that is
> needed for each?
>
> This was my first time at the symposium and I haven't made it through
> all the pamphlets and papers yet, so forgive me if this was part of
> the package.
>
> Joe
>
Not that I'm aware of, although it sounds like a good project for
someone. Our fundraising goals for the 1U and our current rideshare
opportunity is 200k over two years. We have few expenses from ARISSat-1,
and considerably more from the ITAR and "other" attorneys we've needed
this year.
73, Drew KO4MA
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:59:35 -0400
From: Michael Tondee <mat_62@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Symposium News Posted to the Web
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4AD62DA7.3070104@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
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Ahhh geez, here we go again. I left this list awhile back because of a
certain group who chose to constantly attack the FM LEO's and the folks
who operated on them. I don't remember your post being that way Luc,
they didn't attack the op's who used the FM LEO's and I'm not saying
you're doing that now but I'm sure someone will come along shortly to do it.
We all want an HEO Luc! I never got to operate AO-40. You think I don't
see some of the old articles about it and hear the talk about it and
dream? Of course I do.
The problem is how to pay for the likely multi million dollar launch
cost of it. No one is interested in giving hams a free ride anymore or
even a discounted ride for that matter.
Where is P3E? Was it finished and now languishing in storage waiting
for a launch that may never come? Or is it still being built?
I really don't know because I never hear or see anything about it. I've
seen your suggestions about how to fund it's launch before and while I
think they are well intentioned, I don't believe them to be practical.
You may have the kind of money you propose to contribute to spare but I
don't. I'm sure there are a lot of other hams that don't either and of
course there will always be those that do have it but won't contribute
even though they will fully expect to be able to use the sat.
In my own case, I've had to sell my linear bird capable sat rig awhile
back. Then, just the other day I was forced to sell my HF rig because of
unexpected family expenses. The absolute best I can mange right now is
an FM LEO capable station. It's either do that or do nothing at all. I
can't even afford AMSAT dues right now much less contribute but I'm not
going to give up and whine about it. I'm going to do what I can and
enjoy it.
We all have a decision to make, we can sit around and wish for the good
old days and lament the fact we don't have an HEO plus blast anyone who
dares suggest we put money in another LEO or we can focus on what is
within our financial capability to do right now. I applaud the board for
their decision and their bold statement.
73,
Michael, W4HIJ
Luc Leblanc wrote:
>
> "The new AMSAT CubeSat's initial capability is planned to add to the
popular low-earth orbit FM transponder fleet
> allowing hams to continue to use their existing handheld and portable
antenna systems. This also continues the accessible
> entry path for new satellite operators to get started. The existing FM
satellites are starting to show their age."
>
> It was widely admitted that AO-51 was a mistake years ago as a transponder
type satellite should have been chosen instead of a single
> channel satellite.
>
> IMHO There ia already enough capabilities with the existing fleet SO-50
AO-51 AO-27 ISS cross band repeater for an entry class satellite
> plus many cubes in the making as arisat-1. What we lack is a HEO or some
AO-07 like satellite with transponder who will make
> transcontinental QSO'S possible. Theses one channel satellite are a waste
of money compare to a transponder type as many simultaneous QSO'S
> can be achieved at the same time.
>
> But theses issues where widely discussed in the past and i'm guessing the
AMSAT symposium attendance widely clapped at this announcement!!!
>
> What AMSAT-NA will be in the next years " HANDHELD CLUB" as written " to
continue to use their existing handheld and portable antenna
> systems."
>
> Wrong direction again 180 degrees of the logical course again!
>
> P.S. It is obvious this variation on the same subject proposal will have
plenty of time to evolved or to be put in real service only to be
> replaced by other new proposals. it is the dog running after his tails
syndrome who prevail again. Bottom line is another deceptive
> unrealistic proposal IMHO.
>
> Feel free to agree or disagree but the shrinking AMSAT-NA membership is
probably what's is triggering theses proposals a king of safety
> buoy for the BOD to avoid drowning the whole crew and her ship.
> "-"
>
>
> Luc Leblanc VE2DWE
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>
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:59:51 -0400
From: Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Let's Go!
To: Samudra Haque <samudra.haque@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Samudra Haque wrote:
> The one
> thing I would need to know is this extra donation tax-exempt or not
> and would we get a receipt for it in time for U.S. taxes ?
>
The answer is YES! In the past Martha and her crack office team have
promptly sent me individual letters for every donation.
73, Drew
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:00:37 -0500
From: Rocky Jones <orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Can we get them to fix AO-40 first then?
To: <kl7uw@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, Amsat BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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I hope to be QRV by December. I also
> wonder how good the Keps are for AO-40. My L-band beamwidth is only 2.5
deg.
>
>
> 73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45
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Ed. Norad/spacetrak keep pretty close tabs on just about everything
including AO-40. I have classmates at large "tracking/radar" facilities and
on "fun time" they have "pinged" the satellite...the keps are right on
Robert WB5MZO
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:02:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: WILLIAMS MICHAEL <k9qho6762@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] LVB Tracker
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Howard,
?
Let me assure you. Your LVB tracker Version 1.2 is still doing?a fine?job.
The very stripped down version I built with only the PIC16F876, MAX232 and
2N3904s just sits inside a ordinary Radio Shack box (no buttons, no display)
and does its job day in a day out.
?
Thank you for a fun home brew project.
?
Mike (K9QHO)
AMSAT 33589
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:06:13 -0000
From: "John B. Stephensen" <kd6ozh@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Symposium News Posted to the Web
To: "Rocky Jones" <orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx>, <n3tl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>,
<lucleblanc6@xxxxxxxxx.xx>, "Amsat BB" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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AMSAT has a U/V linear transponder design in ARISSsat and according to the
last newsletter no foreign national has signed the agreement that ITAR
requires.
73,
John
KD6OZH
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Jones" <orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx>
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Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 15:58 UTC
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Symposium News Posted to the Web
http://www.qsl.net/pe1rah/HAMSAT.htm
I am just trying to figure out why AMSAT NA is not taking advantage of work
already done.
Robert WB5MZO
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:14:23 -0400
From: Bob McGwier <rwmcgwier@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Symposium News Posted to the Web
To: Rocky Jones <orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx>
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Why aren't you? I have not heard your signal on a single linear
satellite, including VU.
The technology BUILT and currently undergoing testing in ARISSat 1 will
provide real tangible benefit for linear transponders (and nonlinear) in
the VHF/UHF range for all sorts of missions. But you sling mud at
ARISSat without knowing what it actually IS don't you?
Bill Ress, N6GHZ, presented his linear transponder work at the forum.
It is really nice work. When we get done with high level HELAPS on it,
it will be a very very nice linear transponder indeed, built on late
model really nice, naturally hard devices. The efficiency and more are
better than achieved by RAH or the other transponder builders for VU.
But that is to be expected. We have had the advantage of time and the
demand for better RF parts for all sorts of markets producing them.
Bob
N4HY
Rocky Jones wrote:
> http://www.qsl.net/pe1rah/HAMSAT.htm
>
> I am just trying to figure out why AMSAT NA is not taking advantage of
work already done.
>
> Robert WB5MZO
>
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