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Today's Topics:
1. Re: [Bulk] Re: AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 4, Issue 464
(Nick Pugh K5QXJ)
2. ANS-256 AMSAT Weekly Bulletins (Lee McLamb)
3. Re: AO-51 update 12 Sept 2009 (Alan P. Biddle)
4. Re: AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 4, Issue 464 (Roger Kolakowski)
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 06:16:11 -0500
From: "Nick Pugh K5QXJ" <quadpugh@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: [Bulk] Re: AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 4, Issue 464
To: "'Louis McFadin'" <w5did@xxx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <200909131116.n8DBGEhB002319@xxxxx.xxx>
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Thanks Lou for your teams efforts suit sat 2 keep up the hard work
nick
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Louis McFadin
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 11:42 PM
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [Bulk] [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 4, Issue 464
It pains me to have to spend any energy answering all these comments
about the Suitsat-2 and AMSAT problems.
Here are the facts:
No flights were missed. The Russians and the ARISS team have been
working very hard to put together Suitsat-2 in a timely manner so that
we could catch a ride to ISS on a Progress mission. bb
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 07:45:27 -0400
From: Lee McLamb <ku4os@xxx.xx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] ANS-256 AMSAT Weekly Bulletins
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <20090913114528110.ZGTU14103@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxx>
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AMSAT NEWS SERVICE
ANS-256
ANS is a free, weekly, news and information service of AMSAT North America,
The
Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation. ANS reports on the activities of a
worldwide group of Amateur Radio operators who share an active interest in
designing, building, launching and communicating through analog and digital
Amateur Radio satellites.
Please send any amateur satellite news or reports to:
ans-editor@xxxxx.xxx
**********************************************************************
* 2009 AMSAT Space Symposium and Annual General Meeting October 9-11 *
* Four Points Sheraton Hotel at the Baltimore Washington Airport *
* Details - http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/symposium/2009/index.php *
**********************************************************************
In this edition:
* Sumbandilasat Launch on Track
* September 2009 AO-51 Schedule
* AMSAT Symposium Breaking News: Low Cost Airfare
* Special Event Coinciding with AMSAT Symposium
* Dutch Authorities Propose Rebanding D-STAR Into 70cm Satellite Band
* ARRL/TAPR DCC (Digital Communications Conference) Forum Schedule Announced
* Satellite Shorts From All Over
* ARISS Status - 7 September 2009
SB SAT @ AMSAT $ANS-256.01
Sumbandilasat Launch on Track
AMSAT News Service Bulletin 256.01
From AMSAT HQ SILVER SPRING, MD.
September 13, 2009
To All RADIO AMATEURS
BID: $ANS-256.01
The latest information on the SA AMSAT web page says that the launch
of SumbandilaSat is on track for 15 September 2009. Monitor the web
pages at http://www.amsatsa.org.za/index.htm for the latest infor-
mation.
In an interview with SA AMSAT, Johan Erasmus, SunSpace systems engineer
speaking from Baikonur, said that the satellite travelled well and that
all system performed to specification during the testing phase. Tests
were carried out in the clean room at the Baikonur launch facility in
Kazakhstan. "All payloads operated well and we were able to test the
amateur payload from a little distance away. The parrot, voice repeater
and the voice beacon responded well"
The voice beacon message was recorded by Anton Coetzee, at the time a
learner at the Technical High School Kimberley. His message was select-
ed from entries in a competition to find the best message with which
to launch SumbandilaSat. It reads: "This is ZSOSUM in space. I am the
voice of the South African youth. We are knocking on the door of
opportunity, marking our place in the orbit of space research and
communication. Hear us!" You can preview the audio message on-line:
http://www.amsatsa.org.za/Anton%20Cotezzee%20Sumbandila%20Sat%20Message.mp3
During the week the butane propulsion system tank was filled and the
batteries were charged. On Wednesday 2 September SumbandilaSat was inte-
grated with the launch platform. The main payload, a Russian weather
satellite, has also arrived at Baikonur and is currently being integrat-
ed into the launch structure. Next week the launch structure will be
transported to the launch site and integrated with the Soyuz rocket.
"With all now in place we can expect a launch on 15 September", Johan
Erasmus said.
A few members of the SunSpace team will remain behind to give the
batteries a final charge so that when SumbandilaSat is separated from
the final stage of the rocket the batteries are in a healthy state and
to remove the last of the protective covers. The focus is now shifting
to the ground station at the University of Stellenbosch where the
satellite will be commanded approximately 30 minutes after separation
and three hours into the flight.
An intensive period of payload qualification will follow during which
each system will be tested. This is expected to take up to 3 months
after which the command will shift to the CSIR's Satellite Application
Centre at Hartebeeshoek, north of Pretoria.
Once the main payload, a Multi-spectral imager which has a 6.25m
Ground Sampling Distance (GSD) with 6 spectral bands and is supported
by an on-board storage of 24 Giga byte of memory and a main downlink
of 72 Mb/s is fully put into service, will a schedule be set up
according to which the various experimental payloads on board will
be operated.
FREQUENCIES Mode VU FM voice Transponder and Parrot
Uplink 145.880 MHz
Downlink 435.350 MHz
Voice Beacon 435.300 MHz
AMATEUR OPERATION OF ZS0SUM PAYLOAD
+ The details of the CTCSS tones will be made available after the
payload has been commissioned.
+ On receipt of a "X" CTCSS tone the control unit will command the
satellite in the transponder mode.
+ On receipt of a "Y" CTCSS tone the control unit will command the
satellite in the parrot mode.
+ If for a period no tones are received, the system will activate a
voice beacon.
[ANS thanks SA AMSAT for the above information and sends our
congratulations and best wishes for a successful mission]
/EX
SB SAT @ AMSAT $ANS-256.02
September 2009 AO-51 Schedule
AMSAT News Service Bulletin 256.02
From AMSAT HQ SILVER SPRING, MD.
September 13, 2009
To All RADIO AMATEURS
BID: $ANS-256.02
All 435.150 repeater downlinks are subject to interruption for
telemetry, generally one AM pass/day over the eastern US
August 31 - September 7 (~1200Z)
FM Repeater, V/U
Uplink: 145.920 MHz FM
Downlink: 435.300 MHz FM
FM Repeater, L/U
Uplink: 1268.700 MHz FM
Downlink: 435.150 MHz FM
September 7 - September 13
FM Repeater, V/U
Uplink: 145.920 MHz FM
Downlink: 435.300 MHz FM
9k6 BBS, L/U
Uplink: 1268.700 MHz 9k6 FM
Downlink: 435.150 MHz 9k6 FM
September 14 - September 20
FM Repeater, V/U
Uplink: 145.920 MHz FM
Downlink: 435.300 MHz FM
QRP Only FM Repeater, V/U
(<10 watts and hand held or omni antennas only)
Uplink: 145.880 MHz FM
Downlink: 435.150 MHz FM
September 21 - September 27
FM Repeater, V/U
Uplink: 145.920 MHz FM
Downlink: 435.300 MHz FM
9k6 BBS, L/U
Uplink: 1268.700 MHz 9k6 FM
Downlink: 435.150 MHz 9k6 FM
September 28 - October 4
FM Repeater, V/U
Uplink: 145.920 MHz FM
Downlink: 435.300 MHz FM
QRP Only FM Repeater, V/U and College Radio Night (October 1-2)
(<10 watts and hand held or omni antennas only)
Uplink: 145.880 MHz FM
Downlink: 435.150 MHz FM
October 5 - October 11 AMSAT Symposium week
FM Repeater, V/U
Uplink: 145.920 MHz FM
Downlink: 435.300 MHz FM
9k6 BBS, L/U
Uplink: 1268.700 MHz 9k6 FM
Downlink: 435.150 MHz 9k6 FM
[ANS thanks Mark,N8MH, for the above information]
/EX
SB SAT @ AMSAT $ANS-256.03
AMSAT Symposium Breaking News: Low Cost Airfare
AMSAT News Service Bulletin 256.03
From AMSAT HQ SILVER SPRING, MD.
September 13, 2009
To All RADIO AMATEURS
BID: $ANS-256.03
The 2009 AMSAT Symposium is rapidly approaching! And we hope you can join
us..especially given that there are some low-cost airfares out there for
those of us in the US.
We have an outstanding venue this year at the Four Points Sheraton at the
BWI Airport. Your symposium committee recently did a walkthrough of this
facility. The accommodations and meeting rooms are superb. I do a lot of
traveling and I must say that the rooms are absolutely beautiful. You will
definitely get a substantial bang for your buck (or Euro, etc) at this
symposium. And planned 40th Anniversary celebratory events will be truly
memorable.
And to make things even better, Southwest Airlines has a phenomenal
Nationwide (US) fall sale. $59-109 one-way airfares are available to BWI
until Sept 3. And remember, with Southwest, there are no baggage fees.
Also, Airtran has a sale to and from BWI until September 17. $39-119 with a
10
day advance purchase. Sign up now to get the best fares before they are taken
by others.
Airtran does charge for checked luggage.
We will be posting the Symposium agenda this week. For planning purposes,
the BoD meeting starts Thursday morning and runs until noon Friday. The
symposium starts at 1 pm Friday and runs until noon Sunday. The AMSAT
annual meeting with be Saturday afternoon. And there will be an ARISS ops
meeting (all are invited) on Sunday. The 40th anniversary celebration is
Friday night and the Banquet is Saturday night.
So we'd love to see you in "Charm City"-Baltimore Maryland..for the
symposium presentations, 40th anniversary celebrations, poster sessions, and
BoD meeting.
And don't forget to submit a symposium paper to Dan Schultz, N8FGV, ASAP!!
Frank Bauer, KA3HDO, and Janet Bauer
2009 Symposium Co-Chairs
[ANS thanks Frank and Janet for the above information]
/EX
SB SAT @ AMSAT $ANS-256.04
Special Event Coinciding with AMSAT Symposium
AMSAT News Service Bulletin 256.04
From AMSAT HQ SILVER SPRING, MD.
September 13, 2009
To All RADIO AMATEURS
BID: $ANS-256.04
Those of you into Edgar Allan Poe.there is a special treat if you come to
this year's symposium. The famous poet is celebrating his 200th birthday
this year. He lived in Baltimore for several years and died and was buried
in the city. And there is a Poe Museum at the Baltimore house he lived in
before his death.
The year-long commemoration of Poe will culminate with a recreation of his
funeral that occurs around the Symposium dates. Poe died on October 7,
1849. There will be a recreation of a wake for Poe from noon to 11 pm at
the Poe House. This will be followed up with a mock-funeral for Poe on
Sunday October 11 (12:30 and 4:30). John Astin (Gomez Addams from the
Addams family fame) will officiate the funeral services.
If you want more information on this, go to the following web sites:
www.nevermore2009.com
www.poebicentennial.com
www.annabelleetavern.com This "all Poe" tavern was named after one of
Poe's last poems.a virtual shrine to Edgar Allan Poe with his poetry
covering the walls.
www.westminsterhall.org Where he is buried.and where a mystery man dresses
in black leaves a bottle of cognac and three red roses on Poe's birthday.
If you didn't know it before, now you know why the Baltimore Football team
is called the Ravens...
73, Frank Bauer, KA3HDO
2009 AMSAT Symposium Co-Chair
[ANS thanks Frank, KA3HDO, for the above information]
/EX
SB SAT @ AMSAT $ANS-256.05
Dutch Authorities Propose Rebanding D-STAR Into 70cm Satellite Band
AMSAT News Service Bulletin 256.05
From AMSAT HQ SILVER SPRING, MD.
September 13, 2009
To All RADIO AMATEURS
BID: $ANS-256.05
Information received from the Netherlands this week indicated a
growing threat to frequencies allocated and used by the Amateur
Satellite Service.
Worldwide, including the Netherlands, amateur use of frequencies
in many portions of the 70cm band are allocated as secondary users.
The threat arises from proposals to move the output frequency band
of terrestrial D-STAR repeaters from the 439-440 MHz range down to
437-438 MHz. Dutch regulators have halted amateur D-STAR repeater
licensing in that country because they plan to reallocate 439.500 MHz
and upward to the Differential GPS (DGPS) service.
Despite protest from Dutch amateur radio operators, amateur clubs in
the surrounding countries, and regulators in nearby countries it seems
as if the Dutch authorities are still planning on this frequency re-
allocation to favor DGPS operation in violation of ITU allocations.
If completed this reallocation of the terrestrial D-STAR repeater
outputs would place them right in the downlink band of the
Amateur Satellite Service. This would have immediate operational
impact on European amateur satellite stations. Longer term it
may open the door for future infringement on satellite operations
in other countries.
[ANS thanks Geert Jan, PE1HZG for the above information]
/EX
SB SAT @ AMSAT $ANS-256.06
ARRL/TAPR DCC (Digital Communications Conference) Forum Schedule Announced
AMSAT News Service Bulletin 256.06
From AMSAT HQ SILVER SPRING, MD.
September 13, 2009
To All RADIO AMATEURS
BID: $ANS-256.06
TAPR is the premiere national digital organization covering all digital voice
&
data technologies and digital techniques such as SDR. More information about
TAPR can be found at: www.tapr.org
TAPR is active throughout the year. At the Dayton Hamvention TAPR sponsors a
digital forum and a joint banquet with AMSAT. TAPR publishes a quarterly
journal, the PSR and develops digital techniques such as SDR. TAPR holds in
conjuntion with the ARRL an annual national Digital Communication Conference.
You can follow TAPR's activities, events & updates regularly
on Twitter at: www.twitter.org/taprdigital
The ARRL/TAPR DCC (Digital Communications Conference) will be held on
September
25 - 27, 2009 again in the northwest suburbs of
Chicago at the Elk Grove Village
Holiday Inn near O'Hare airport with a free hotel shuttle bus.
The DCC has something for everyone from those new to digital modes to those
experienced with digital communications. The DCC has 2 full days of Technical
forums on Friday & Saturday. On Saturday there is
an additional concurrent track
of Introductory forums. On Sunday morning there is a 1/2 day technical session
which is a deep dive into one or more digital topics, such as SDR.
The DCC is well known for introducing new technologies & concepts. This year
presentations include:
* Two Ham DTV, Digital Television presentations by Art, WA8RMC & Ken,
W6HHC.
* "Use of Digital Communications at the Marine Corps Marathon in
Washington D.C." by Tom, N4ZPT.
* "Universal Ham Radio Text Messaging"
by Bob Bruninga, WB4APR, creator
of APRS.
After the Friday night social we plan to have another D-STAR get together.
The Saturday night banquet speaker will be Bill
Brown, WB8ELK. Bill is a pioneer
in flying BalloonSats, balloons with payloads including amateur radio digital
communication technologies.
You can learn more about the DCC & register on-line at: www.tapr.org/dcc
Registration is preferred prior to September 17th for planning purposes, but
walk-in registrations will be accepted.
If you can't attend the DCC the Proceedings can be purchased at the TAPR web
site at: www.tapr.org/pub_dcc.html
Starting last year, 2008 and continuing this year DCC presentations are being
recorded by Amateur Radio Video News. DVDs of the prresentations are available
at: http://www.arvideonews.com
If you have any questions you can reach the TAPR Office at:
taproffice@xxxx.xxx
Look foward to seeing many of you at the DCC.
73, Mark, WB9QZB
DCC Local Co-Host
Chicago, IL
The 2009 DCC forum & speaker schedule is attached & is available online at the
TAPR web site at:
http://www.tapr.org/pdf/DCC_2009_Schedule_Preliminary2009-09-08.pdf
[ANS thanks Mark, WB9QZB, for the above information]
/EX
SB SAT @ AMSAT $ANS-256.07
Satellite Shorts From All Over
AMSAT News Service Bulletin 256.07
From AMSAT HQ SILVER SPRING, MD.
September 13, 2009
To All RADIO AMATEURS
BID: $ANS-256.07
+ FO-29 Control Team operator Yutaka Murata, JA1COU says that data
analysis and recovery efforts continued this week. The control team
confirms their suspicion that FO-29's outage is caused by the long
eclipse periods currently encountered. FO-29 is only commanded on
when it is over Japan although with luck it may remain on depending
on illumination of its solar panels and be heard elsewhere. If you
capture any telemetry from FO-29 over your location please forward
your data via e-mail to lab (at) jarl.or.jp and include your QTH,
date and time.
+ Allen, KK4AK plans to active on the FM satellites from the mountains
of North Carolina (Grid EM96) this coming week.
+ Operating from the Hawaiian Island of Kauai W6ZQ made contact with
stations in Hawaii, Alaska, and the US mainland via AO-51.
+ Luc, VE2DWE has made available a recording of his experimentation
using D-STAR through the AO-27 satellite. He reports using an uplink
frequency of 436.797 MHz and monitored downlink audio on 145.850 MHz.
The entire recording can be heard at Luc's website:
http://www.qsl.net/ve2dwe/
+ http://spacesat.blogspot.com/2009/08/uma-noite-memoravel-no-ao-7.html
is the link to a video of AO-7 DX operations posted by Piraja, PS8RF.
[ANS thanks everyone for the above information]
/EX
SB SAT @ AMSAT $ANS-256.08
ARISS Statuts - 7 September 2009
AMSAT News Service Bulletin 256.08
From AMSAT HQ SILVER SPRING, MD.
September 13, 2009
To All RADIO AMATEURS
BID: $ANS-256.08
1. ARISS Contact with Craigmore High School
On Wednesday, September 2, an Amateur Radio on the International Space Station
(ARISS) contact was held between Craigmore High School in Blakeview, South
Australia and Expedition 20 Astronaut Frank De Winne, ON1DWN, on the ISS. An
audience of 40 people gathered for the event and one newspaper provided media
coverage.
2. ESA Astronaut De Winne Speaks with Vrije Basisschool, Belgium
On Thursday, September 3, Frank De Winne, ON1DWN, participated in an Amateur
Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) contact with Vrije
Basisschool
in De Haan, Belgium via telebridge station VK4HZ
in Australia. De Winne answered
twenty-two questions posed to him by the students. Approximately 240
students,
teachers and parents as well as radio, television and newspaper reporters
attended the event. The audio was fed into the EchoLink AMSAT and JK1ZRW
servers.
This was a European Space Agency (ESA) event. Students who participated in the
ARISS contact were chosen through an ESA competition.
3. ARISS Contact with ESA/ESOC Successful
An Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) contact was held
at
the European Space Agency (ESA)/European Space Operation Centre (ESOC) in
Darmstadt, Germany on Friday, September 4 via telebridge station LU8YY in
Argentina. The contact was held during an open
day event, ?The Long Night of the
Stars.? Students from a local school, ?Schuldorf Bergstrasse,? in Seeheim
participated in the contact. Astronauts Robert Thirsk, Frank de Winne and
Christer Fuglesang took turns answering eleven questions posed to them. An
audience of 200 gathered at the stage for the contact and several audio and
video links were provided for all the visitor rooms of the Open Day event at
ESOC, so that an additional 750 visitors could connect to the contact. The
event was covered by the television station Hessischer Rundfunk HR3, the radio
station HR-Info Radio Hessischer Rundfunk Frankfurt and two newspapers,
Frankfurter Rundschau and Darmstaedter Echo. There was also a live coverage
via
the Internet (Kosmologs) and five freelance journalists were present. The
audio
was also fed into the EchoLink AMSAT and JK1ZRW servers.
4. Stockholm Students Question Fuglesang via ARISS Contact
On Sunday, September 6, students from S?traskolan in Sk?rholmen, Stockholm,
Sweden participated in an Amateur Radio on the International Space Station
(ARISS) contact via telebridge station LU8YY in Argentina. STS-128 Mission
Specialist Christer Fuglesang, KE5CGR, answered 14 questions as an audience of
400 gathered for the contact. Media covered the event and the audio was fed
into the EchoLink AMSAT and JK1ZRW servers.
5. Astronaut Training Status
Astronaut Tracy Caldwell is scheduled for an Amateur Radio on the
International
Space Station (ARISS) licensing session on Wednesday, September 9. Caldwell
is
scheduled to fly with Expedition 23 in April 2010.
[ANS thanks Carol, KB3LKI, for the above information]
/EX
In addition to regular membership, AMSAT offers membership in the President's
Club. Members of the President's Club, as sustaining donors to AMSAT Project
Funds, will be eligible to receive additional benefits. Application forms are
available from the AMSAT Office.
73,
This week's ANS Editor,
Lee McLamb, KU4OS
ku4os at amsat dot org
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 07:29:03 -0500
From: "Alan P. Biddle" <APBIDDLE@xxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 update 12 Sept 2009
To: "'Andrew Rich'" <vk4tec@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <00B03F20D3E04A01B82FBAD4AB40801C@xxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>Vista probs huh
Nah, one of the beads in the CPA, Central Processing Abacus, is sticking.
;)
Alan
WA4SCA
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 09:17:03 -0400
From: "Roger Kolakowski" <rogerkola@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 4, Issue 464
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <002401ca3474$7c4c3420$0300a8c0@xxxxxxxx>
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I didn't send this directly to Lou but I had to note the following
comments...(emphasis is mine)
"...because most of us don't take the time to toot our horn. "WE SHOULD" but
that's the facts..."
"...So I suggest you use this BB for it's intended purpose as being a way to
exchange information about satellite operations..."
The problem that is taking up so much space on this list IS COMMUNICATIONS.
If someone "on the inside" spent a few minutes a week/month letting others
know what was REALLY happening, all the "rumors" that are being thrown about
would not have any basis.
In the time it would take to pass the info on to another "volunteer" to
post, it could be posted to the List and done with. If Lou's statement of
"status" was posted a month ago, the entire "controversy" would be moot.
Roger
WA1KAT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Louis McFadin" <w5did@xxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 12:42 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 4, Issue 464
> It pains me to have to spend any energy answering all these comments
> about the Suitsat-2 and AMSAT problems.
> Here are the facts:
> No flights were missed. The Russians and the ARISS team have been
> working very hard to put together Suitsat-2 in a timely manner so that
> we could catch a ride to ISS on a Progress mission. The Russians
> declared the suit excess quite a while ago. The ISS is getting more
> and more crowded since it is now crewed by six people.
> There is a real problem with clearance around all the equipment on
> ISS. It's to the point of becoming a safety hazard. Each side has a
> finite amount of volume allocated.
> The suits were seen as a safety hazard because of this crowdedness.
> There wasn't a case of no one being notified. We all knew there was a
> space problem.
> It simply came down to a priority situation. Do you throw away
> something that you need to keep and have spent an enormous amount of
> money getting to ISS, or something that is very low on the priority?
> It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out where Suitsat fell on
> that list.
> In actuality this may have been a very good thing. We were having a
> very difficult time trying to figure out how to properly attach the
> solar panels to the suit so that they could properly power the
> electronics. Now we will take the solar panels and form a satellite
> enclosure around the electronics planned for Suitsat 2 and call it
> ARISSat-1.
>
> We have been working very hard on designing this new configuration and
> are making excellent progress due to some very hard working volunteers
> both here in the U.S. and in Russia. I am sure the amount of work that
> is going on will never be realized by most on this BB but it is
> tremendous. What you hear about is only the tip of the iceberg. Not
> because its a secret but because most of us don't take the time to
> toot our horn. We should but thats the facts.
>
> The team has not had time to listen to this series of comments on the
> BB because we are all dedicated to getting the project done in as fast
> and reliable a way as we can.
> I can tell you this is a very dedicated team and all are working hard
> and doing their best to finish their tasks while keeping their jobs
> and sanity. If you want names and more information come to the AMSAT
> symposium and meet some of them.
>
> The Russians send up Progress resupply missions to ISS regularly so
> there will be other chances to send up the new ARISSat-1 satellite.
> There are at least four Russian EVAs planned for next year so there
> will be other chances to deploy ARISSat-1 so not to fret. The most
> important thing is to take the proper time to make sure it is done
> right so it will work properly and safely.
>
> So those of you who have actual questions about the facts can send me
> or Gould Smith a private e-mail and I will try to answer you with
> facts. If you want to complain and not help, please don't send them to
> me or the team. We are too busy trying our best to make it happen just
> like we have been doing for many years on AMSAT, SAREX and ARISS
> projects.
> If you really do want to help, send me or any of the BOD a resume and
> tell us how you can help.
>
> So I suggest you use this BB for it's intended purpose as being a way
> to exchange information about satellite operations. Don't use it as a
> way to pump your ego or to trash others.
>
> Let's don't loose sight of the true objectives here. Let's have fun
> and leave a legacy for those coming after us that we will all be proud
> of. My grandson just got his Ham license that makes me very proud!
>
>
>
> Lou McFadin
> W5DID
> AMSAT BOD
> ARISS US Hardware manager
>
>
> On Sep 12, 2009, at 11:10 PM, amsat-bb-request@xxxxx.xxx wrote:
>
> > Send AMSAT-BB mailing list submissions to
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> > 1. Re: Volunteered (Mark Lunday)
> > 2. FN51 operations (Dave Webb KB1PVH)
> > 3. AO-51 update 12 Sept 2009 (Mark L. Hammond)
> > 4. Re: (Reporting web pages needing updates) (John P. Toscano)
> > 5. Re: AO-51 update 12 Sept 2009 (Andrew Rich)
> > 6. Re: Volunteered (Bill Ress)
> > 7. Re: Volunteered (Rocky Jones)
> > 8. Re: Volunteered (rwmcgwier@xxxxx.xxxx
> > 9. Re: Volunteered (Dale Hershberger)
> > 10. Re: Volunteered (Rocky Jones)
> > 11. Re: Volunteered (Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF)
> > 12. Re: Volunteered (Kevin Smith)
> > 13. Re: Volunteered (Rocky Jones)
> > 14. Re: Volunteered (Andrew Rich)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 16:50:30 -0400
> > From: "Mark Lunday" <mlunday@xx.xx.xxx>
> > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Volunteered
> > To: "'Rocky Jones'" <orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx>, <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>,
> > <bill@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
> > Cc: rswart1@xxxxx.xx.xxxx 'Amsat BB' <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> > Message-ID: <002f01ca33ea$aa7245e0$ff56d1a0$@xx.xxx>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > Chiming in, after watching this go back and forth and feeling
> > frustrated
> > here.
> >
> > The issue here is about holding volunteers accountable as if they
> > were paid
> > staff. It's about expectations as well.
> >
> > Noone is questioning whether the volunteers worked their butts off.
> > What
> > we're talking about is that the AMSAT community (at least some,
> > anyway) have
> > an expectation of performance equivalent to what would be provided by
> > full-time paid staff. Well, as long as it's volunteers only, that
> > expectation is not reasonable (IMHO). None of the volunteers can
> > provide
> > that kind of support day-in and day-out. Holding volunteers to that
> > standard is, in my opinion, a mistake.
> >
> > Having said that, what AMSAT volunteers have accomplished is SO FAR
> > ABOVE
> > what a normal volunteer organization achieves, that it BOGGLES THE
> > MIND. I
> > have been an AMSAT member for 18 months and active on satellites for
> > about
> > as long. To see what has been achieved by volunteers, spanning across
> > geography, is AMAZING. The ability to ask ANY question about
> > satellites in
> > general and AMSAT in particular on this BB, and get an accurate
> > response in
> > a timely fashion is impressive. The collective intellectual capital
> > and
> > horsepower is deep and very valuable.
> >
> > And THAT'S the issue! We're so accustomed to outstanding
> > performance on so
> > many things with AMSAT that we start *expecting* above and beyond in
> > all
> > cases. That's not always realistic.
> >
> > I had a few 1:1 threads with some folks about this over the past few
> > days,
> > and I think we could address some of the problems if we had a paid
> > position
> > or two. I understand that this is being presented to the ARRL in the
> > near
> > future (additional funding support)
> >
> > Another side note: it sounds like more communication/interaction
> > would help
> > clarify some of these questions and concerns. Regular status
> > reporting on
> > progress for specific projects would help the community understand:
> > (1) the progress
> > (2) the risks
> > (3) the level of effort provided by the volunteers
> > (4) opportunities for additional input for addressing problems
> > (leveraging
> > some of that powerful intellectual capital and horsepower in our
> > community).
> >
> >
> > Meanwhile, as a project manager w/ PMP cert, Electrical Engineer,
> > and a 35
> > year ham with military background, I am raising my hand as a
> > volunteer for
> > helping with the planning of future AMSAT projects
> >
> > Mark Lunday
> > WD4ELG
> > Hillsborough, NC - FM06kb
> > wd4elg@xxxx.xxx
> > http://wd4elg.net
> > http://wd4elg.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 21:18:07 +0000
> > From: "Dave Webb KB1PVH" <kb1pvh@xxxxx.xxx>
> > Subject: [amsat-bb] FN51 operations
> > To: "AMSAT BB" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> > Message-ID:
> > <1853931992-1252790287-
> > cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-401973086-
> > @xxxxxx.xxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxxxxxxx>
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I have arrived at FN51 on Cape Cod. Unfortunately, it is raining,
> > thundering, and a bit of lightning. I think it is best to hold off
> > for a bit from waving my lightning rod at the sky.
> > If things clear up a bit, I will give it a shot. The weather is
> > supposed to be better tomorrow.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Dave KB1PVH
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 17:27:15 -0400
> > From: "Mark L. Hammond" <marklhammond@xxxxx.xxx>
> > Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-51 update 12 Sept 2009
> > To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> > Message-ID: <4aac1231.47c1f10a.6666.fffff60e@xx.xxxxxx.xxx>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > Reloading of the satellite continues.
> >
> > From the front page of the AMSAT web page:
> >
> > AO-51 is off the air while the software reload is in progress. We
> > hope to have it operational by the first of the week.
> >
> > AO-51 Command team
> >
> >
> > 73,
> >
> >
> >
> > Mark L. Hammond [N8MH]
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 16:46:06 -0500
> > From: "John P. Toscano" <tosca005@xx.xxx.xxx>
> > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: (Reporting web pages needing updates)
> > Cc: "'Amsat BB'" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> > Message-ID: <4AAC169E.7020908@xx.xxx.xxx>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >
> > Andrew Rich (Home) wrote:
> >> No I meant
> >>
> >> amsatwebchanges@xxxxx.xxx
> >>
> >> " I found this page is old and needs to be deleted"
> >>
> >> Many hands make light work
> >
> > Andrew: I think that the following solution will help you accomplish
> > your goal...
> >
> > At the bottom of many pages of the AMSAT web site is a link entitled:
> > "Report a bug on this page"
> >
> > Click on the link, and a form pops up. The form is pre-filled with the
> > URL of the "offending" web page, i.e. the web page you were on at the
> > time you clicked on the link. Fill in the rest of the form and click
> > on
> > the button labeled:
> > Submit Report
> >
> > One of the questions on the form is "Issue Type", and the drop-down
> > list
> > include numerous choices, such as:
> > -- malformed text
> > -- broken link
> > -- outdated information
> > -- misspelling
> > -- punctuation
> > and several others. You don't even have to start up your email client;
> > the form goes to the appropriate person when you click on the Submit
> > button.
> >
> > If the page with a problem does not have one of these links on it, you
> > could manually type in the following URL into your browser:
> > http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/bugform.php
> >
> > The only problem with this is you will have to manually fill in the
> > line
> > on the form that specifies what web page is problematic. Of course,
> > before you change to this URL, use your mouse to highlight the current
> > URL (where the problem is located), hit Ctrl+C to copy the URL to the
> > Windows Clipboard, then go to the bugform page, mouse or tab to that
> > field, and hit Ctrl+V to paste in the URL. [My apologies in advance
> > for
> > giving you Windows-centric instructions if you are using a different
> > OS
> > family.]
> >
> > This seems even easier to me than an email alias to which you send
> > problem reports, but maybe that's just me...
> >
> > But I clearly agree, a thousand pairs of eyes can find more errors and
> > omissions than a single pair of eyes. www.nlrs.org (which I maintain)
> > is comprised of over 4000 files, so I assume that www.amsat.org is
> > much
> > bigger!
> >
> > 73 de W0JT
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 07:51:59 +1000
> > From: "Andrew Rich" <vk4tec@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
> > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 update 12 Sept 2009
> > To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>, "Mark L. Hammond" <marklhammond@xxxxx.xxx>
> > Message-ID: <1E3E3D647EFE4E4E899F5249C789AC3B@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> > reply-type=original
> >
> > Vista probs huh
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > Andrew Rich
> > Airways Technical Officer Grade 4
> > Surveillance - RADAR ADS-B
> > Amateur Radio Callsign VK4TEC
> > email: vk4tec@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx
> > web: www.tech-software.net
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mark L. Hammond" <marklhammond@xxxxx.xxx>
> > To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> > Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 7:27 AM
> > Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-51 update 12 Sept 2009
> >
> >
> >> Reloading of the satellite continues.
> >>
> >> From the front page of the AMSAT web page:
> >>
> >> AO-51 is off the air while the software reload is in progress. We
> >> hope to
> >> have it operational by the first of the week.
> >>
> >> AO-51 Command team
> >>
> >>
> >> 73,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Mark L. Hammond [N8MH]
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the
> >> author.
> >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> >> program!
> >> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >
> >
>
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> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 15:06:49 -0700
> > From: Bill Ress <bill@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
> > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Volunteered
> > To: Mark Lunday <mlunday@xx.xx.xxx>
> > Cc: rswart1@xxxxx.xx.xxxx 'Amsat BB' <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> > Message-ID: <4AAC1B79.4070806@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >
> > Hi Mark,
> >
> > Thanks for your comments and your offer to volunteer.
> >
> > Why don't you contact me off line and we can talk about your specific
> > interests.
> >
> > Regards...Bill - N6GHz
> >
> > Mark Lunday wrote:
> >> Chiming in, after watching this go back and forth and feeling
> >> frustrated
> >> here.
> >>
> >> The issue here is about holding volunteers accountable as if they
> >> were paid
> >> staff. It's about expectations as well.
> >>
> >> Noone is questioning whether the volunteers worked their butts
> >> off. What
> >> we're talking about is that the AMSAT community (at least some,
> >> anyway) have
> >> an expectation of performance equivalent to what would be provided by
> >> full-time paid staff. Well, as long as it's volunteers only, that
> >> expectation is not reasonable (IMHO). None of the volunteers can
> >> provide
> >> that kind of support day-in and day-out. Holding volunteers to that
> >> standard is, in my opinion, a mistake.
> >>
> >> Having said that, what AMSAT volunteers have accomplished is SO FAR
> >> ABOVE
> >> what a normal volunteer organization achieves, that it BOGGLES THE
> >> MIND. I
> >> have been an AMSAT member for 18 months and active on satellites
> >> for about
> >> as long. To see what has been achieved by volunteers, spanning
> >> across
> >> geography, is AMAZING. The ability to ask ANY question about
> >> satellites in
> >> general and AMSAT in particular on this BB, and get an accurate
> >> response in
> >> a timely fashion is impressive. The collective intellectual
> >> capital and
> >> horsepower is deep and very valuable.
> >>
> >> And THAT'S the issue! We're so accustomed to outstanding
> >> performance on so
> >> many things with AMSAT that we start *expecting* above and beyond
> >> in all
> >> cases. That's not always realistic.
> >>
> >> I had a few 1:1 threads with some folks about this over the past
> >> few days,
> >> and I think we could address some of the problems if we had a paid
> >> position
> >> or two. I understand that this is being presented to the ARRL in
> >> the near
> >> future (additional funding support)
> >>
> >> Another side note: it sounds like more communication/interaction
> >> would help
> >> clarify some of these questions and concerns. Regular status
> >> reporting on
> >> progress for specific projects would help the community understand:
> >> (1) the progress
> >> (2) the risks
> >> (3) the level of effort provided by the volunteers
> >> (4) opportunities for additional input for addressing problems
> >> (leveraging
> >> some of that powerful intellectual capital and horsepower in our
> >> community).
> >>
> >>
> >> Meanwhile, as a project manager w/ PMP cert, Electrical Engineer,
> >> and a 35
> >> year ham with military background, I am raising my hand as a
> >> volunteer for
> >> helping with the planning of future AMSAT projects
> >>
> >> Mark Lunday
> >> WD4ELG
> >> Hillsborough, NC - FM06kb
> >> wd4elg@xxxx.xxx
> >> http://wd4elg.net
> >> http://wd4elg.blogspot.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 17:09:47 -0500
> > From: Rocky Jones <orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx>
> > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Volunteered
> > To: <mlunday@xx.xx.xxx>, <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>, <bill@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
> > Cc: rswart1@xxxxx.xx.xxxx Amsat BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> > Message-ID: <COL106-W241B6E30399C6831599B8AD6E60@xxx.xxx>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Noone is questioning whether the volunteers worked their butts
> >> off. What
> >> we're talking about is that the AMSAT community (at least some,
> >> anyway) have
> >> an expectation of performance equivalent to what would be provided by
> >> full-time paid staff. Well, as long as it's volunteers only, that
> >> expectation is not reasonable (IMHO).
> >
> > Mark.
> >
> > "level of performance".
> >
> > No one at least in their right mind would expect a "volunteer" to
> > equal the work through put of a paid employee...
> >
> > For example..in The Church of Christ (where I worship) any fool can
> > get into the pulpit and preach...and the other hand the preacher is
> > expected to have three sermons a week ready to go...
> >
> > But the volunteers need to have similar levels of competency in the
> > tools being used as the Preacher or they should not be allowed into
> > the pulpit in the first place.
> >
> > It is like tower climbing...I dont do it as fastl as the folks who
> > professionally climb the 1000 footer that our clubs machine is
> > on...but for the team that does it to get on the tower...we had to
> > meet a minimium level of competency and demonstrate that.
> >
> > No matter how it is spun suitsat 1 was a failure.
> >
> > Good engineering standards would dictate figuring out the weak links
> > and then correcting them trying something that perhaps was a bit
> > more "sophisticated" but not all that much more...if for no other
> > reason to make sure that the methods that defeat the failure are
> > well understood.
> >
> > Instead what happened is that the "team" put together a project so
> > complicated that they missed their free launch.
> >
> > I dont care how good the engineering is to miss a free launch is bad
> > management.
> >
> > That reality seems to bite some folks
> >
> > Robert WB5MZO
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free.
> > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 23:05:07 +0000
> > From: rwmcgwier@xxxxx.xxx
> > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Volunteered
> > To: "Rocky Jones" <orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx>, amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx
> > mlunday@xx.xx.xxxx bruninga@xxxx.xxxx "Bill Ress"
> > <bill@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
> > Cc: rswart1@xxxxx.xx.xxxx amsat bb <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> > Message-ID:
> > <1167601682-1252796952-
> > cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1812505125-
> > @xxxxxx.xxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxxxxxxx>
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain
> >
> > This is unadulterated bull shit made from whole cloth.
> >
> > We have a free launch just as we have always have. The russians, as
> > is their right when they have command, decided with all the
> > equipment modeled people coming up to toss all orlan suits without
> > notice to us (and they owed us nothing).
> >
> > I would be the very last person to say AMSAT is above all criticism
> > but you are clearly nor the spokesperson needed for the critics.
> > Your notes are those of a person who wants to fiddle while he burns
> > Rome. What is needed in my not so humble opinion is a spokesperson
> > for the critics who is not perceived as full of animus.
> >
> > Bob
> > N4HY LM
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Jones <orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx>
> >
> > Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 17:09:47
> > To: <mlunday@xx.xx.xxx>; <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>; <bill@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
> > Cc: <rswart1@xxxxx.xx.xxx>; Amsat BB<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Volunteered
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Noone is questioning whether the volunteers worked their butts
> >> off. What
> >> we're talking about is that the AMSAT community (at least some,
> >> anyway) have
> >> an expectation of performance equivalent to what would be provided by
> >> full-time paid staff. Well, as long as it's volunteers only, that
> >> expectation is not reasonable (IMHO).
> >
> > Mark.
> >
> > "level of performance".
> >
> > No one at least in their right mind would expect a "volunteer" to
> > equal the work through put of a paid employee...
> >
> > For example..in The Church of Christ (where I worship) any fool can
> > get into the pulpit and preach...and the other hand the preacher is
> > expected to have three sermons a week ready to go...
> >
> > But the volunteers need to have similar levels of competency in the
> > tools being used as the Preacher or they should not be allowed into
> > the pulpit in the first place.
> >
> > It is like tower climbing...I dont do it as fastl as the folks who
> > professionally climb the 1000 footer that our clubs machine is
> > on...but for the team that does it to get on the tower...we had to
> > meet a minimium level of competency and demonstrate that.
> >
> > No matter how it is spun suitsat 1 was a failure.
> >
> > Good engineering standards would dictate figuring out the weak links
> > and then correcting them trying something that perhaps was a bit
> > more "sophisticated" but not all that much more...if for no other
> > reason to make sure that the methods that defeat the failure are
> > well understood.
> >
> > Instead what happened is that the "team" put together a project so
> > complicated that they missed their free launch.
> >
> > I dont care how good the engineering is to miss a free launch is bad
> > management.
> >
> > That reality seems to bite some folks
> >
> > Robert WB5MZO
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free.
> > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the
> > author.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> > program!
> > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 9
> > Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 15:21:43 -0700
> > From: Dale Hershberger <daleh@xxxxxx.xxx>
> > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Volunteered
> > To: Rocky Jones <orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx>, amsat bbs <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> > Cc: amsat bbs <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> > Message-ID: <4AAC1EF7.7070307@xxxxxx.xxx>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >
> > Rocky Jones wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Noone is questioning whether the volunteers worked their butts
> >>> off. What
> >>> we're talking about is that the AMSAT community (at least some,
> >>> anyway) have
> >>> an expectation of performance equivalent to what would be provided
> >>> by
> >>> full-time paid staff. Well, as long as it's volunteers only, that
> >>> expectation is not reasonable (IMHO).
> >>>
> >>
> >> Mark.
> >>
> >> "level of performance".
> >>
> >> No one at least in their right mind would expect a "volunteer" to
> >> equal the work through put of a paid employee...
> >>
> >> For example..in The Church of Christ (where I worship) any fool can
> >> get into the pulpit and preach...and the other hand the preacher is
> >> expected to have three sermons a week ready to go...
> >>
> >> But the volunteers need to have similar levels of competency in the
> >> tools being used as the Preacher or they should not be allowed into
> >> the pulpit in the first place.
> >>
> >> It is like tower climbing...I dont do it as fastl as the folks who
> >> professionally climb the 1000 footer that our clubs machine is
> >> on...but for the team that does it to get on the tower...we had to
> >> meet a minimium level of competency and demonstrate that.
> >>
> >> No matter how it is spun suitsat 1 was a failure.
> >>
> >> Good engineering standards would dictate figuring out the weak
> >> links and then correcting them trying something that perhaps was a
> >> bit more "sophisticated" but not all that much more...if for no
> >> other reason to make sure that the methods that defeat the failure
> >> are well understood.
> >>
> >> Instead what happened is that the "team" put together a project so
> >> complicated that they missed their free launch.
> >>
> >> I dont care how good the engineering is to miss a free launch is
> >> bad management.
> >>
> >> That reality seems to bite some folks
> >>
> >> Robert WB5MZO
> >>
> >> _________________________________________________________________
> >> Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free.
> >> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the
> >> author.
> >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> >> program!
> >> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >>
> >>
> > I really want to reply in good faith. It is very difficult in light
> > of
> > the nature the tone of the way this thread is going. I am a member of
> > AMSAT and
> > proud of it. The organization is made up of volunteers.....Read
> > Volunteers! Things will go wrong.. When we have problems we look
> > for
> > the weak points and focus
> > on the corrections that can be made.
> >
> > What I do not understand is the persistent bashing of the BOD or
> > managers of this non profit volunteer corporation. We are not the
> > Boeing, Lockheed or the USAF.
> >
> > If something is not going your way contact a board member and deal
> > directly with them.
> > The way this thread is going it is accomplishing nothing more then
> > degrading or demeaning the volunteer and contributing members of
> > AMSAT.
> > We have a lot of folks on this bb that have a lot of very good
> > information to contribute to all. I just am really disappointed
> > to see some very talented folks carry this thread to the point where
> > it
> > turns others off.
> >
> > I do not expect a reply to this. I just wanted to express my opinion
> >
> > Dale - KL7XJ
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 10
> > Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 20:17:45 -0500
> > From: Rocky Jones <orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx>
> > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Volunteered
> > To: <daleh@xxxxxx.xxx>, Amsat BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> > Message-ID: <COL106-W58B6A2252EABA4D1398E82D6E50@xxx.xxx>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > What I do not understand is the persistent bashing of the BOD or
> > managers of this non profit volunteer corporation. We are not the
> >
> > Boeing, Lockheed or the USAF.
> >
> >
> >
> > If something is not going your way contact a board member and deal
> > directly with them.
> >
> > The way this thread is going it is accomplishing nothing more then
> > degrading or demeaning the volunteer and contributing members of
> > AMSAT.
> >
> > We have a lot of folks on this bb that have a lot of very good
> > information to contribute to all. I just am really disappointed
> >
> > to see some very talented folks carry this thread to the point where
> > it
> > turns others off.
> >
> >
> >
> > I do not expect a reply to this. I just wanted to express my opinion
> >
> >
> >
> > Dale - KL7XJ
> >
> > Dale. Pointing out errors in performance that are consistent is not
> > bashing...and it doesnt matter if they are volunteers or paid staff.
> >
> > If they cannot deal with responsible criticism, and oddly enough no
> > one has refuted the statement I made that 1) they missed a launch
> > date and 2) in large measure because they bit off to large a
> > project...
> >
> > instead all one gets is "wow I am upset because you are pointing out
> > flaws in my performance, I am a volunteer I work 16-18 hours a day
> > and wow this is space".
> >
> > No one is calling them stupid, indeed the only people who have blown
> > their corks are those who dont have answers to reasonable questions.
> >
> > Robert WB5MZO
> >
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 11
> > Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 02:12:41 +0000
> > From: Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF <nigel@xxxxx.xxx>
> > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Volunteered
> > To: Amsat BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> > Message-ID: <4AAC5519.0@xxxxx.xxx>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
> >
> > It amazes me that this group does not have an owner/moderator/
> > administrator to stop/delete/kill all this worthless
> > bitching.
> >
> > Rocky Jones wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> What I do not understand is the persistent bashing of the BOD or
> >> managers of this non profit volunteer corporation. We are not the
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 12
> > Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 22:15:17 -0400
> > From: Kevin Smith <kevin.j.smith@xxxxxxx.xxx>
> > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Volunteered
> > To: Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF <nigel@xxxxx.xxx>
> > Cc: Amsat BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> > Message-ID: <69F07AEC-DA3D-43E9-B5C9-49DE5AFB8C6D@xxxxxxx.xxx>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes
> >
> > Failing that can we at least stop feeding this troll.
> >
> > Kevin Smith
> > N3HKQ
> >
> > On Sep 12, 2009, at 10:12 PM, Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF <nigel@xxxxx.xxx>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> It amazes me that this group does not have an owner/moderator/
> >> administrator to stop/delete/kill all this worthless
> >> bitching.
> >>
> >> Rocky Jones wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> What I do not understand is the persistent bashing of the BOD or
> >>> managers of this non profit volunteer corporation. We are not the
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> author.
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 13
> > Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 21:41:32 -0500
> > From: Rocky Jones <orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx>
> > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Volunteered
> > To: <rwmcgwier@xxxxx.xxx>, <amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx>,
> > <mlunday@xx.xx.xxx>, <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>, <bill@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
> > Cc: rswart1@xxxxx.xx.xxxx Amsat BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> > Message-ID: <COL106-W355AA9617CBDC9609F8036D6E50@xxx.xxx>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> We have a free launch just as we have always have. The russians,
> >> as is their right when they have command, decided with all the
> >> equipment modeled people coming up to toss all orlan suits without
> >> notice to us (and they owed us nothing).
> >>
> >
> > Bob. I am told by people at JSC that this is not an accurate
> > statement.
> >
> > Robert WB5MZO
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
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> > Message: 14
> > Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 11:19:04 +1000
> > From: "Andrew Rich" <vk4tec@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
> > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Volunteered
> > To: "Dale Hershberger" <daleh@xxxxxx.xxx>, "Rocky Jones"
> > <orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx>, "amsat bbs" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> > Cc: amsat bbs <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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> >
> >
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> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dale Hershberger" <daleh@xxxxxx.xxx>
> > To: "Rocky Jones" <orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx>; "amsat bbs"
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> > >
> > Cc: "amsat bbs" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> > Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 8:21 AM
> > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Volunteered
> >
> >
> >> Rocky Jones wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Noone is questioning whether the volunteers worked their butts off.
> >>>> What
> >>>> we're talking about is that the AMSAT community (at least some,
> >>>> anyway)
> >>>> have
> >>>> an expectation of performance equivalent to what would be
> >>>> provided by
> >>>> full-time paid staff. Well, as long as it's volunteers only, that
> >>>> expectation is not reasonable (IMHO).
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Mark.
> >>>
> >>> "level of performance".
> >>>
> >>> No one at least in their right mind would expect a "volunteer" to
> >>> equal
> >>> the work through put of a paid employee...
> >>>
> >>> For example..in The Church of Christ (where I worship) any fool
> >>> can get
> >>> into the pulpit and preach...and the other hand the preacher is
> >>> expected
> >>> to have three sermons a week ready to go...
> >>>
> >>> But the volunteers need to have similar levels of competency in
> >>> the tools
> >>> being used as the Preacher or they should not be allowed into the
> >>> pulpit
> >>> in the first place.
> >>>
> >>> It is like tower climbing...I dont do it as fastl as the folks who
> >>> professionally climb the 1000 footer that our clubs machine is
> >>> on...but
> >>> for the team that does it to get on the tower...we had to meet a
> >>> minimium
> >>> level of competency and demonstrate that.
> >>>
> >>> No matter how it is spun suitsat 1 was a failure.
> >>>
> >>> Good engineering standards would dictate figuring out the weak
> >>> links and
> >>> then correcting them trying something that perhaps was a bit more
> >>> "sophisticated" but not all that much more...if for no other
> >>> reason to
> >>> make sure that the methods that defeat the failure are well
> >>> understood.
> >>>
> >>> Instead what happened is that the "team" put together a project so
> >>> complicated that they missed their free launch.
> >>>
> >>> I dont care how good the engineering is to miss a free launch is bad
> >>> management.
> >>>
> >>> That reality seems to bite some folks
> >>>
> >>> Robert WB5MZO
> >>>
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> >>> author.
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> >>>
> >> I really want to reply in good faith. It is very difficult in
> >> light of
> >> the nature the tone of the way this thread is going. I am a member
> >> of
> >> AMSAT and
> >> proud of it. The organization is made up of volunteers.....Read
> >> Volunteers! Things will go wrong.. When we have problems we look
> >> for
> >> the weak points and focus
> >> on the corrections that can be made.
> >>
> >> What I do not understand is the persistent bashing of the BOD or
> >> managers of this non profit volunteer corporation. We are not the
> >> Boeing, Lockheed or the USAF.
> >>
> >> If something is not going your way contact a board member and deal
> >> directly with them.
> >> The way this thread is going it is accomplishing nothing more then
> >> degrading or demeaning the volunteer and contributing members of
> >> AMSAT.
> >> We have a lot of folks on this bb that have a lot of very good
> >> information to contribute to all. I just am really disappointed
> >> to see some very talented folks carry this thread to the point
> >> where it
> >> turns others off.
> >>
> >> I do not expect a reply to this. I just wanted to express my opinion
> >>
> >> Dale - KL7XJ
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the
> >> author.
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> >> program!
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