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Today's Topics:
1. Let's get constructive! (Peter Scheller)
2. ao51 (Perry Yantis)
3. Re: ao51 (David - KG4ZLB)
4. Re: ao51 (Dave Webb KB1PVH)
5. AO-51 Software crash (Gould Smith)
6. Re: Let's get constructive! (Peter)
7. Shuttle landing (David H. Jordan)
8. Re: Shuttle landing (Rocky Jones)
9. Re: Shuttle landing (David - KG4ZLB)
10. Re: Volunteered (Randy)
11. AO-51 Software crash-a reply (Gkcarr)
12. Re: Volunteered (Gould Smith)
13. Re: Volunteered (Randy)
14. Re: Volunteered (Donald Jacob)
15. Re: Volunteering and things! (Rocky Jones)
16. Re: Volunteered (Randy)
17. North Carolina EM96 (KK4AK)
18. Re: Volunteered (Rocky Jones)
19. Re: ISS (Erich Eichmann)
20. Re: Volunteered (rwmcgwier@xxxxx.xxxx
21. Re: volunteered (Randy)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 12:47:21 -1000
From: "Peter Scheller" <nh6vb@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Let's get constructive!
To: "amsat-bb" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <BAY106-DS5D1060E9D191E95B281ECE1E80@xxx.xxx>
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Hey guys and gals, AMSAT members, supporters and kibitzers reading the mail.
By now everybody had his or her say, positive or negative, it does not matter.
What matters now, is get together and work on a solution, without pointing
fingers
and or flaming individuals.
I for myself dropped out of AMSAT in the AO-10 days, some of you old timers
might
remember me. My reason for that was NOT dissatisfaction with AMSAT, the other
way
around. AO-10 was wonderful, gave me hours of enjoyment, and friends all over
the globe,
some of which I had the pleasure of meeting eyeball to eyeball.
Economics forced me to scale down, drop everything not necessary to survive,
and fight for my
basic existence. I barely managed not to become homeless. Now I am slowly back
on my
feet. Oh yes, I will re join AMSAT again. Why? That is a very good question.
AO-10 is gone,
and all what is left are relative low flyers and the ISS. To understand my
position and yearning
for HEO's, realize that I live on a very small island, in the middle of the
Pacific Ocean. That
makes some satellite footprints not even large enough to reach the Continental
United States
from here. The ones who do, give us only a small sliver of the pie, and then
you can talk to
the same sat ops for a few minutes, not to say seconds. The latter one is one
of the reasons
why there are so few sat ops here in Hawaii!
Why did I rejoin? Number one is to help others to look at the satellite side
of the hobby.
It is fun, and Hawaii is a rare commodity for you mainlanders, and gives you
one more sat op
to chat with. Second, after getting my feet wet again (it has been many years
of my hiatus)
I will volunteer to become an AMSAT coordinator again.
So I paid my dues, to be back on board. As soon as I feel comfortable to "lead
the heard"
again, I will volunteer my services.
I hope the lot of you will do the same, support and build, do not destroy.
Let's get of the
soap box and do something constructive! Constructive criticism is appreciated
and will lead
to improvements. But there is no point in beating a dead horse!
Hope to see you on the sats!
Aloha, Peter, NH6VB AMSAT# 30992
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:02:02 -0400
From: Perry Yantis <py41@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] ao51
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <87CD705B-E90B-474C-97AA-D764EBE0EADF@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
just listened for AO51 but heard nothing.
2301 gmt 9/10/09
Perry WB8OTH
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:07:53 -0400
From: David - KG4ZLB <kg4zlb@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ao51
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4AA986C9.9090603@xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Nothing heard in EL96 (SW Florida either), I tried all mode combinations
just to make sure!
David
KG4ZLB
Perry Yantis wrote:
> just listened for AO51 but heard nothing.
>
> 2301 gmt 9/10/09
>
> Perry WB8OTH
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 23:09:39 +0000
From: "Dave Webb KB1PVH" <kb1pvh@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ao51
To: "Perry Yantis" <py41@xxx.xxx>, amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxx
BB" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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Same here, also on the earlier pass.
Dave-KB1PVH
------Original Message------
From: Perry Yantis
Sender: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx
To: AMSAT BB
Subject: [amsat-bb] ao51
Sent: Sep 10, 2009 7:02 PM
just listened for AO51 but heard nothing.
2301 gmt 9/10/09
Perry WB8OTH
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:13:20 -0400
From: "Gould Smith" <gouldsmi@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-51 Software crash
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <6F85323517A448788FEC13003B41E69B@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
AO-51 experienced a software crash sometime this afternoon/evening. I got the
boot code loaded into ram and running and working on setting the power level.
Drew and I don't have a good pass until tomorrow morning, when we will start
the software reload.
73,
Gould, WA4SXM
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:57:49 -0400
From: Peter <roi@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Let's get constructive!
To: AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <007301ca3272$82945460$6901a8c0@xxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252
Peter,
Well said and Aloha from the Mainland, in NY, I look forward to your
rejoining the "Satellitiers" even if we are scraping our knuckles due to
our current low orbits. You sound like someone who has and will add value
to our group, I've been involved just over a year and I'm not sure what I
enjoy more the friendships made our the Satellite contacts. In any case,
maybe the "Grand Old Lady" A0-7 will have a big footprint from you to me!
Look forward to Patrick WD9EWK giving us reports on how good you sound!!
73,
Pete, WB2OQQ
>
> Hey guys and gals, AMSAT members, supporters and kibitzers reading the
mail.
>
> By now everybody had his or her say, positive or negative, it does not
matter.
>
> What matters now, is get together and work on a solution, without pointing
fingers
> and or flaming individuals.
>
> I for myself dropped out of AMSAT in the AO-10 days, some of you old
timers might
> remember me. My reason for that was NOT dissatisfaction with AMSAT, the
other way
> around. AO-10 was wonderful, gave me hours of enjoyment, and friends all
over the globe,
> some of which I had the pleasure of meeting eyeball to eyeball.
>
> Economics forced me to scale down, drop everything not necessary to
survive, and fight for my
> basic existence. I barely managed not to become homeless. Now I am slowly
back on my
> feet. Oh yes, I will re join AMSAT again. Why? That is a very good
question. AO-10 is gone,
> and all what is left are relative low flyers and the ISS. To understand my
position and yearning
> for HEO's, realize that I live on a very small island, in the middle of
the Pacific Ocean. That
> makes some satellite footprints not even large enough to reach the
Continental United States
> from here. The ones who do, give us only a small sliver of the pie, and
then you can talk to
> the same sat ops for a few minutes, not to say seconds. The latter one is
one of the reasons
> why there are so few sat ops here in Hawaii!
>
> Why did I rejoin? Number one is to help others to look at the satellite
side of the hobby.
> It is fun, and Hawaii is a rare commodity for you mainlanders, and gives
you one more sat op
> to chat with. Second, after getting my feet wet again (it has been many
years of my hiatus)
> I will volunteer to become an AMSAT coordinator again.
>
> So I paid my dues, to be back on board. As soon as I feel comfortable to
"lead the heard"
> again, I will volunteer my services.
>
> I hope the lot of you will do the same, support and build, do not destroy.
Let's get of the
> soap box and do something constructive! Constructive criticism is
appreciated and will lead
> to improvements. But there is no point in beating a dead horse!
>
> Hope to see you on the sats!
>
> Aloha, Peter, NH6VB AMSAT# 30992
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 00:10:08 +0000
From: "David H. Jordan" <n4csitwo@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Shuttle landing
To: "AMSAT-BB" <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID:
<16883841-1252627904-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-
2084272928-@xxxxxx.xxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain
I'm away from media tonight. Is the shuttle still landing at 8:41 ET?
Dave
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:16:20 -0500
From: Rocky Jones <orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Shuttle landing
To: <n4csitwo@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, Amsat BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <COL106-W4902254311D904BA3F280DD6E70@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
Dave
Friday
http://www.spaceflightnow.com/
Robert WB5MZO
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:19:59 -0400
From: David - KG4ZLB <kg4zlb@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Shuttle landing
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4AA997AF.2020308@xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
*The landing of the shuttle Discovery at the Kennedy Space Center has
been delayed for at least a day due to bad weather in Florida.*
Thunderstorms and strong winds meant that the US space agency NASA
skipped both Thursday landing possibilities.
The shuttle, which is returning from a mission to the International
Space Station (ISS), will have to orbit the earth for a 14th day.
The new landing slot is at 1754 (2154 GMT) on Friday.
However the weather forecast for Friday is worse, and Saturday is only a
little better.
NASA says if necessary it will consider the possibility of using a
runway at Edwards Air Force Base in California.
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 21:26:46 -0400
From: "Randy" <RSwart1@xxxxx.xx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Volunteered
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <002b01ca327e$edaa75c0$0301a8c0@xxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Although I agree that a phone call is good as well ..
I pay dues to AMSAT and don't think a maintained website is a lot to ask in
return..
Randy - N2CUA
"""So if someone wants to volunteer and they use the volunteer function of
the AMSAT website and it doesn't work and someone doesn't get in touch
with you... IT IS AMSAT's FAULT? Is that it?
So if you order something from the AMSAT website or any website and the item
never arrives... YOU JUST FORGET IT?
This is a mindset of failure! A HORRENDOUS COP OUT FOLKS!!!
The AMSAT office has a phone. The number is on the website, please use it!
Do you really want to volunteer? PROVE IT! AND FOLLOW THRU! PROMISES
DON'T GET THINGS DONE!
Mike, WB8CXO"""
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:41:13 -0500
From: Gkcarr <gkcarr@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-51 Software crash-a reply
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <ed87fb0c1204ba1ec8cbf3083976cc39@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Here I once again blamed my sopping wet pine trees after .6 inch of heavy
rain. I was ready to cut them all down!
73
George
WA5KBH
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 21:50:47 -0400
From: "Gould Smith" <gouldsmi@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Volunteered
To: <RSwart1@xxxxx.xx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <DF60919067AE4DB592880C5E9C14BD86@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
I'm missing the connection here. Dues - volunteer maintained web site
Gould - WA4SXM
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy" <RSwart1@xxxxx.xx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 9:26 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Volunteered
> Although I agree that a phone call is good as well ..
> I pay dues to AMSAT and don't think a maintained website is a lot to ask
> in
> return..
>
> Randy - N2CUA
>
>
> """So if someone wants to volunteer and they use the volunteer function of
> the AMSAT website and it doesn't work and someone doesn't get in touch
> with you... IT IS AMSAT's FAULT? Is that it?
>
> So if you order something from the AMSAT website or any website and the
> item
> never arrives... YOU JUST FORGET IT?
>
> This is a mindset of failure! A HORRENDOUS COP OUT FOLKS!!!
>
> The AMSAT office has a phone. The number is on the website, please use
> it!
>
> Do you really want to volunteer? PROVE IT! AND FOLLOW THRU! PROMISES
> DON'T GET THINGS DONE!
>
> Mike, WB8CXO"""
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 22:20:36 -0400
From: "Randy" <RSwart1@xxxxx.xx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Volunteered
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <003301ca3286$7306c370$0301a8c0@xxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Ok .. Maybe the word dues was not correct..
But I did pay to join AMSAT ... Where does that money
Go? And the money that all members paid to join?
I'll go back to my corner now ..
Randy
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:20:14 -0700
From: Donald Jacob <wb5eku@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Volunteered
To: RSwart1@xxxxx.xx.xxx
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID:
<1a659d360909101920h19c70c6eu412553117dda84e0@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Then YOU volunteer to maintain the website.That is a volunteer position
also.
Don WB5EKU
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Randy <RSwart1@xxxxx.xx.xxx> wrote:
> Although I agree that a phone call is good as well ..
> I pay dues to AMSAT and don't think a maintained website is a lot to ask in
> return..
>
> Randy - N2CUA
>
>
> """So if someone wants to volunteer and they use the volunteer function of
> the AMSAT website and it doesn't work and someone doesn't get in touch
> with you... IT IS AMSAT's FAULT? Is that it?
>
> So if you order something from the AMSAT website or any website and the
> item
> never arrives... YOU JUST FORGET IT?
>
> This is a mindset of failure! A HORRENDOUS COP OUT FOLKS!!!
>
> The AMSAT office has a phone. The number is on the website, please use
> it!
>
> Do you really want to volunteer? PROVE IT! AND FOLLOW THRU! PROMISES
> DON'T GET THINGS DONE!
>
> Mike, WB8CXO"""
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 21:46:05 -0500
From: Rocky Jones <orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Volunteering and things!
To: <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>, <gzook@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: Amsat BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>, kg4zlb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <COL106-W650FA2A5559B4400368701D6E70@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
They just get
> it done. Mike is one of our best examples, he has earned the right to
> voice his opinion on the topic at the end of a soldering iron building
> tracker boxes by the dozen.
>
> 73, Drew KO4MA
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Drew. Hubris is not a problem with you folks is it?
now you are judging who can and who cannot voice an opinion.
No wonder AMSAT NA is flailing
Robert WB5MZO Amsat Life Member
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 22:46:48 -0400
From: "Randy" <RSwart1@xxxxx.xx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Volunteered
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <003d01ca328a$1c1abb30$0301a8c0@xxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Bruce filled me in on where a lot of the "donations" go..
Couple others beat me up .. LOL
So is there a win-win on this topic ?
Randy
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 23:06:54 -0400
From: "KK4AK" <kk4ak@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] North Carolina EM96
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <DD23B8F4438D46699E3E2540613FEAC5@xxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
I'll be in mountains of North Carolina next week in Grid EM96. So look for me
on the FM birds when I am able to break away from my other obligations.
73,
Allen
KK4AK
(previous call KK4EMK)
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 22:31:19 -0500
From: Rocky Jones <orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Volunteered
To: <rswart1@xxxxx.xx.xxx>, Amsat BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <COL106-W47312DE943324370A14A5CD6E70@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> From: RSwart1@xxxxx.xx.xxx
> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 22:46:48 -0400
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Volunteered
>
> Bruce filled me in on where a lot of the "donations" go..
>
> Couple others beat me up .. LOL
>
> So is there a win-win on this topic ?
>
> Randy
>
>
Yeap. The non "volunteers" recognize that the folks who volunteer for Amsat
are the hardest working people in the world (18 hour days) and if they dont
have their way then its the highway and all amateur satellite work will come
to an end...
As Frank Burns said to Col. Flagg in MASH "If we do not blindly follow our
leaders how will our democracy work?"
Robert WB5MZO
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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 11:51:14 +0200
From: "Erich Eichmann" <erich.eichmann@xxxxxxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ISS
To: "WCP" <wcp2@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <1C6EE5BE5DB5499F97B9CCEC49EDD5D0@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
Hello,
my mail to you was twice returned by the Mail Delivery
System, I don't know why.
Here my text again:
Make sure that you are using actual Keps, that the PC clock is exact and
that you entered your locaction correctly.
You may compare the ISS position in the SatPC32 world map with the position
shown on the AMSAT site:
http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/tools/predict/satloc.php
If the positions in both maps are equal probably your location entry will be
the reason for the wrong AOS.
73s, Erich, DK1TB
----- Original Message -----
From: "WCP" <wcp2@xxxxx.xxx>
To: <dk1tb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:39 AM
Subject: ISS
> Trouble tracking ISS with SatPC32 . My SatPC32 running under WIN98SE
> always
> has ISS AOS about 20min. late. I have Ver 12.7 #GI102116121
> Any idea what I might be doing wrong? KA9ERV
> WCP
>
>
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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 12:50:21 +0000
From: rwmcgwier@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Volunteered
To: RSwart1@xxxxx.xx.xxxx "amsat bb" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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Only if people end this nearly useless thread. This ground is so beaten down
it is not funny. Member dues and most of their donations do not buy a single
component. But to live to fight another day and to keep "those who can"
thinking about things to do for those "those who use" and even "those who
mostly whine and do nothing at all except whine" these member donations are
vital to the organization's health.
The amsat organization is undergoing some reorg. Lots of different faces on
the board and different faces in engineering even with our inability to get a
significant launch speaks well for the potential of the organization.
I think personally that those who complain should go stand in front of the
mirror and ask themselves
1) what have I personally done for the organization lately?
2) follow that with "Am I part of the problem or the solution?"
Bob
LM N4HY
------Original Message------
From: Randy
Sender: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx
To: amsat bb
ReplyTo: RSwart1@xxxxx.xx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Volunteered
Sent: Sep 10, 2009 10:46 PM
Bruce filled me in on where a lot of the "donations" go..
Couple others beat me up .. LOL
So is there a win-win on this topic ?
Randy
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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 08:56:22 -0400
From: "Randy" <RSwart1@xxxxx.xx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: volunteered
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <006d01ca32df$43f69610$0301a8c0@xxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
I do have to say I can relate even though being a new member, I havent done
anything to help
Other than my piddly donation.
I maintain our gun club website for over 4 years .. For nothing ..
Volunteered
It was hosted on my sons commercial web server as a favor for free ..
I don't think I ever recall ONE thank you .. From anyone ..
Seemed like a thankless job that I got continually nagged at about
Keeping the site up ...
Dunno .. Perhaps that's part of the issue ??? The people that volunteer
Get crap from the people that don't .. And that's the only thing they hear??
Instead of hearing THANKS @xxx ..
Just thoughts ..
Sorry about my other "dues" comment ..
We all have our moments..
Randy - N2CUA
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