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Today's Topics:
1. Re: [Bod] Fwd: Volunteering and things! (David - KG4ZLB)
2. Re: Volunteering and things! (Glen Zook)
3. Re: Volunteering and things! (Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF)
4. Re: Volunteering and things! (Andrew Glasbrenner)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 12:04:28 -0400
From: David - KG4ZLB <kg4zlb@googlemail.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: [Bod] Fwd: Volunteering and things!
To: gouldsmi@bellsouth.net
Cc: bod@amsat.org, kg4zlb@googlemail.com, amsat-bb@amsat.org
Message-ID: <4AA9238C.1010206@gmail.com>
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Excellent, now we all know where we are with all this and further gripes
in the bb can cease!
(I still think there should be some notes made on the website so that
visitors and non-bb participants know what's going on!)
David
KG4ZLB
Gould Smith wrote:
> 1) Absolutely not
> Anyone can setup a Wiki and it can be used by whatever group wants
> to. AMSAT is not switching to a Wiki
>
> 2) There are a number of options on the table. AMSAT is working on
> deciding who will be responsible.
> Rick is looking into the amount of work necessary and his available
> time to implement including David Carr's site into the page. We expect
> to have a link to David's site in the interim.
>
> 3) The volunteer page - there is a mitigation plan in place, to change
> the email address of where the information goes. The change has been
> requested.
>
> 73,
> Gould
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:56:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Glen Zook <gzook@yahoo.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Volunteering and things!
To: kg4zlb@gmail.com, Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner@mindspring.com>
Cc: AMSAT-BB@amsat.org
Message-ID: <837779.13375.qm@web52909.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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Calling "blaming" the website problems a "cop out" is not a true statement, at
least in my opinion. Yes, there are "other" ways of exchanging information
with the various persons involved with AMSAT. However, those "other" ways are
not always apparent nor are those methods readily available to everyone. Then
there is the problem of knowing just which person in the organization is
responsible for the subject of the correspondence. Contacting the "wrong"
person will at least delay the exchange and sometimes result in no exchange at
all.
Like it or not, in today's "information age" when a presence on the "web" is
established the website becomes "the" focus point for the distribution of up-
to-date information and when various reply functions are established on the
website those functions become the principle media of information exchange.
AMSAT is not the only organization that has been lacking in the maintaining of
the website. There are many other groups that are just as guilty (even "more"
guilty in many cases) of not keeping their web presence current. Often, when
the website is not functioning properly, people will just ignore the website
and then "forget" the whole thing. That goes for many things, not just where
volunteering is involved. The result is that a lot of potentially beneficial
things end up in "Never Never Land" rather than actually helping the
situation.
One thing that this discussion has accomplished is to bring some of the
problems which have been affecting the organization into "the light of day"
and, as such, efforts are being made to correct the problems. Probably, there
have been some feelings "hurt" in the case of people who haven't been "doing
their jobs" for any variety of reasons. There are all sorts of reasons why
and I won't even try to list even a number of those reasons. But, it comes
down to finding people who have not only the skills needed to perform certain
tasks but who also have the time to accomplish those tasks as well as the
desire to accomplish them.
The "gist" of the situation is that one needs to "lead, follow, or get out of
the way".
Glen, K9STH
AMSAT 239 / LM 463
Website: http://k9sth.com
--- On Thu, 9/10/09, Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner@mindspring.com> wrote:
As I've been told, the submittal of the survey works now, but who the
information goes to may be under revision/addition. If you are reading this
and you want to help with something, just call the office, or email the
officer responsible for that area, and forget about that survey until we can
get it working 100%. Yes, it needs fixed, but a serious volunteer doesn't let
such a silly thing get in their way. Mike is 100% correct in my opinion,
blaming a faulty website is a cop-out.
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:00:08 +0000
From: Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF <nigel@ngunn.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Volunteering and things!
To: AMSAT-BB@amsat.org
Message-ID: <4AA93098.9070807@ngunn.net>
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Or perhaps you lack the ability to research before making the offer.
Glen Zook wrote:
> Calling "blaming" the website problems a "cop out" is not a true statement,
at least in my opinion. Yes, there are "other" ways of exchanging information
with the various persons involved with AMSAT. However, those "other" ways are
not always apparent nor are those methods readily available to everyone. Then
there is the problem of knowing just which person in the organization is
responsible for the subject of the correspondence. Contacting the "wrong"
person will at least delay the exchange and sometimes result in no exchange at
all.
>
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:46:21 -0400
From: Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner@mindspring.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Volunteering and things!
To: Glen Zook <gzook@yahoo.com>
Cc: AMSAT-BB@amsat.org, kg4zlb@gmail.com
Message-ID: <4AA93B6D.5050404@mindspring.com>
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Glen Zook wrote:
> Calling "blaming" the website problems a "cop out" is not a true statement,
at least in my opinion. Yes, there are "other" ways of exchanging information
with the various persons involved with AMSAT. However, those "other" ways are
not always apparent nor are those methods readily available to everyone. Then
there is the problem of knowing just which person in the organization is
responsible for the subject of the correspondence. Contacting the "wrong"
person will at least delay the exchange and sometimes result in no exchange at
all.
>
>
It's obvious we disagree. Presumably anyone with a computer to look at
the webpage will have a phone, and can see the big 1 888 322 6728 number
on the top right of EVERY page. They can, if they have a web browser,
and go to the leadership page and send an email. They can take note of
the callsign of an officer and send an email to callsign@amsat.org. They
can send an email to officers@amsat.org, or bod@amsat.org, just as
easily as they can to amsat-bb. They can even send a letter or a fax,
and believe it or not, we still get both. For some of us, you can even
ask us over the radio!
The type of volunteer we need is a self-motivated doer that doesn't need
handholding or spoonfeeding, and that has extremely thick skin if they
read the -bb unfortunately. They also need to finish what they start.
That type of volunteer isn't stymied by a broken web-link. They just get
it done. Mike is one of our best examples, he has earned the right to
voice his opinion on the topic at the end of a soldering iron building
tracker boxes by the dozen.
Thanks for writing the article for the Journal. It's obvious you can
walk the walk, so don't take my opinion on this topic too personally.
The topic is somewhat moot anyways, as that particular form has been
fixed. Considering we don't charge anyone anything for anything we do
other than the Journal, it's really surprising to see so much griping
over free stuff.
73, Drew KO4MA
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