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Today's Topics:
1. Re: broken links (Alan VE4YZ)
2. Re: ISS and STS-128 (Jim Jerzycke)
3. Re: more amsat.org broken links (Mark Spencer)
4. Re: broken links (laura halliday)
5. Re: Increasing range from LEO/SpaceX/APRS (John B. Stephensen)
6. Re: [eu-amsat] ITAR vs cooperation? or bull..dozer;) (Thomas Frey)
7. TNC's for satellite work (John)
8. World space week (Luc Leblanc)
9. ITAR vs cooperation? or bull..dozer;) (Luc Leblanc)
10. Rigblaster TNC? (John)
11. My first DSTAR satellite transmission. (Luc Leblanc)
12. Help sought - amateur satellite service vs D-star
(Geert Jan de Groot)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 21:10:15 -0500
From: "Alan VE4YZ" <ve4yz@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: broken links
To: "'Tim - N3TL'" <n3tl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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Thanks for your comments Tim. I'm accumulating some responses off-list in
addition to what y'all can read here. I don't want to go into solution mode
at this early stage. Your concern is valid and worst case is that the
secure web e-commerce that AMSAT is now comfortable with would be linked to
from any new platform.
_____
From: Tim - N3TL [mailto:n3tl@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx
Sent: September 8, 2009 7:01 PM
To: Alan VE4YZ; amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: broken links
Alan and all,
Here's my 2 cents' worth - coming from someone who admittedly knows very
little about the tools, skills and resources necessary to develop and
maintain a Web site.
Alan, you write: "It must include RSS, news feeds, and a forum in addition
to all the stuff ( current or otherwise ) on the existing AMSAT site."
How does the AMSAT store fit into this, and is it possible to "mix" a
wiki-style "access for all" site with one that will include areas for the
entry and transfer of secure, private information (e.g., credit card
information for purchases)?
I ask this because I don't know of another major nonprofit that uses a
wiki-style site because of the need to incorporate an ecommerce site as part
of the overall Web presence.
My initial reaction to a Wiki approach is - no - for those reasons.
I hope someone can provide more information here to me and everyone who
reads the BB that might help mitigate my concerns. I further hope someone
who is truly interested in mitigating the issues seemingly so many here have
with the AMSAT Web site will attend the Board meeting in October to continue
this kind of dialogue with the Board.
73 to all,
Tim - N3TL
Athens, Ga. - EM84ha
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From: Alan VE4YZ <ve4yz@xxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2009 7:38:30 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: broken links
IMHO fixing the existing site is not the answer.
If the executives will okay the use of a Wiki format, I am sure that 3 or 4
of us can communicate off list to set up a group to install and administer a
Wiki on another server.
We can call it The SIG ( Satellite Interest Group ) or whatever for now.
Any and All AMSAT members can then be registered to maintain the Wiki. If
the members and executive like the results it can be migrated to the AMSAT
server. It must include RSS, news feeds, and a forum in addition to all the
stuff ( current or otherwise ) on the existing AMSAT site.
The cost to this 3 or 4 person ( or more ) "steering committee" would be the
registration of a name and a year on a web hosting service such as GoDaddy
what runs a similar server a AMSAT's host. Or, use the AMSAT hosting
company. So this small group would have to come up with less than one
year's AMSAT membership to start this project.
We use an Open Source Wiki, no more customized PHP like the current site
that is high maintenance and really hard for anyone to get into the head of
any former code whacker to modify or update.
We need the AMSAT exec okay because there would be a lot of cut 'n paste of
old stuff from the existing site into the pilot project where is would be
available for updating a la Wiki.
I don't do this for a living, I do maintain a couple of club web sites, but
I bet we have a member reading this who is a professional web-whacker who
might oversee the team and keep us from making dumb decisions such as
choosing the wrong open source wiki to being with.
That's my 2 cents and just one warm body being offered for the effort.
73, Alan VE4YZ
EN19kv
AMSAT LM 2352
http://www.wincube.ca
--- On Tue, 9/8/09, Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
So who among you would like to volunteer to rewrite some of the articles and
bring them up to date?
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 19:51:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jim Jerzycke <kq6ea@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ISS and STS-128
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx Greg Beat <gregory.beat@xxxxxxx.xxx>
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Just watched a 60* pass here in Southern California with 3 of my neighbors.
Very nice to see it, as I usually miss the pass. Had my HT with me, but didn't
hear anything.
Jim? KQ6EA
--- On Tue, 9/8/09, Greg Beat <gregory.beat@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
From: Greg Beat <gregory.beat@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] ISS and STS-128
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 6:37 PM
What a beautiful and bright (-3.5) pass of STS-128 and ISS trailing about 2
seconds behind over Chicago tonight!
The ISS solar panels were turned "edge on" earlier today before undocking of
STS-128 ..
and this provided a rare and bright (~ -7) ISS "flash" that was like the
Iridium flash observations!
Only 6 more shuttle flights, so these visible dual sighting opportunities will
soon be part of history!
w9gb
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 19:57:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mark Spencer <mspencer12345@xxxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: more amsat.org broken links
To: "vk4tec@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx <vk4tec@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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Just my $.02 worth, as a former amsat member from the early 90's who is
slowly getting back into the sattelite game I didn't have any issues
finding the needed info. Finding info on the net has been one of the eaiser
parts of the process.
Regards
Mark. VE7AFZ
Andrew Rich (Home) wrote:
> There is heaps
> Actually the satellite section of amatuer radi o is the worst
> For a system that requires up to date information i have seen the oldest
> data
> amsat pages from 2002 and 2004
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> Andrew Rich
> Airways Technical Officer Grade 4
> Surveillance - RADAR ADS-B
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "racer5039" <racer5039@x.xxx>
> To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>; "Joseph Armbruster" <josepharmbruster@xxxxx.xxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 5:50 AM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: more amsat.org broken links
>> http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/echo/9600tnc.php large number of links on
>> this page do not work
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/echo/EchoHT.php
>> http://xe1mex.gq.nu/antenas/yagi.html - page not found
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joseph Armbruster" <josepharmbruster@xxxxx.xxx>
>> To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 2:04 PM
>> Subject: [amsat-bb] amsat.org ao-51 broken links
>>
>>
>>>I was browsing the AO-51 page just now on amsat.org and noticed a few
>>>broken
>>> links. Here is the list. I listed the main URL and then the links that
>>> were broken on that page.
>>>
>>> http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/echo/
>>> http://bach.as.arizona.edu/gallery/v/chuck/echo - page not found
>>> http://home.centurytel.net/ke4aznsatellite/ - no content at this page
>>>
>>> http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/echo/integration.php
>>> http://web.infoave.net/~mkmk518/echo_integration.htm - page not found
>>>
>>> Joe
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 21:11:57 -0700
From: laura halliday <marsgal42@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: broken links
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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Joel W4JBB wrote:
> Another two sites I really like reading on a daily basis are
> www.slashdot.org and www.lifehacker.com. What do y'all think.
The software that runs Slashdot (slashcode) are available under GPL. Various
other "bulletin board" systems are available, like phpBB and vBulletin. There
are lots of content management systems out there, like Joomla and Django. I've
built web sites with Django. It's slick. And it's built with Python, which has
to be good. :-)
Reinventing the wheel is not needed. What's needed is the goal of getting
information to people who need it, and making sure it's accurate. If
information is not read, or cannot be found, it accomplishes nothing.
Laura Halliday VE7LDH "Que les nuages soient notre
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 00:23:07 -0000
From: "John B. Stephensen" <kd6ozh@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Increasing range from LEO/SpaceX/APRS
To: "Rocky Jones" <orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx>, <lucleblanc6@xxxxxxxxx.xx>,
"Amsat BB" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: eu-amsat@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx
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The sporadic thing about amateur satellites is free launch opportunuities.
If hams were paying customers launches would be repeatable. Cubesats provide
the standard form factor that fits many launchers and costs are less than 1%
of a HEO launch.
73,
John
KD6OZH
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From: "Rocky Jones" <orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: <lucleblanc6@xxxxxxxxx.xx>; "Amsat BB" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: <eu-amsat@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 01:41 UTC
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Increasing range from LEO/SpaceX/APRS
>
> Luc...I would add this.
>
> What is firmly missing in the amateur satellite effort is something
> "repeatable" that encourages solid commercial gear to be available to
> people who want to use the sats.
>
> Wayne Green (w2nsd who I think is still with us)...had some pretty "wild"
> stuff in the startup of the repeater movement...but he also had some
> pretty good musings about what it would take to take the repeater movement
> from the "techies" to "ordinary" hams... He came and spoke to us while I
> was in college and we had a chance to have some "one on one" and he more
> or less nailed what it was going to take to get the repeater movement
> "mainstream".
>
> It is going to take about the same thing for hamsats...and one of those is
> a continued supply of hamsats which encourage more communicating and less
> experimenting....
>
> Thats what is intriguing about the SpaceX "launch" campaign...and indeed
> about the entire changes that are occurring now with the Augustine
> commission there is a chance for things developing like geo synch "rafts"
> where very large satellite complexes etc are built. But ham radio will
> not in my view have a seat at that table unless and until there is some
> "normalcy" in the mode.
>
> I spent part of the afternoon talking with a condo owner on Clear Lake
> about the Club moving its APRS/voice machine to the top of his 14 story
> building (a virtual skyscraper in this part of Houston)...it was amazing
> how fast he came around, all he could think of was what went on in
> Hurricane Ike.
>
> Robert WB5MZO
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 13:55:08 +0200
From: Thomas Frey <th.frey@xxxxxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: [eu-amsat] ITAR vs cooperation? or
bull..dozer;)
To: eu-amsat@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Hello Luc
I can't answer all your questons, please read the following article
on the AMSAT-DL homepage:
http://www.amsat-
dl.org//index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=173&Itemid=97
You can translate it with Google to your language. I hope, you can find
a few answers. For specific answers there are also any OM's around here,
I think.
Luc Leblanc schrieb:
> >From AMSAT-NA web page who was updated: 23 Aug, 09
>
> excerpt:
>
> AMSAT Files CJ Requests with US State Department
>
> "AMSAT's involvement with P3-E halted in 2006 due to concerns over possible
ITAR violations."
>
>
> Did anyone can explain why is it possible to say "AMSAT's involvement with
P3-E halted in 2006 due to concerns over possible ITAR
> violations" when i wrote about the memorandum (see below) on February 22
2007 as this paper has been signed prior to February 2007 in 2006?
>
> Even if ITAR does not apply to information related to general scientific,
mathematical or engineering principles that is commonly taught
> in schools and colleges or information that is (legitimately) in the public
domain. Nor does it apply to general marketing information or
> basic system descriptions. (see below)
>
> How the cooperation between AMSAT-NA and AMSAT-DL and AMSAT-UK stopped in
2006 when theses 3 gentlemens
> Peter DB2OS for AMSAT-DL, Rick W2GPS for AMSAT-NA, Jim G3WGM for AMSAT-UK
signed a memorandum of understanding and cooperation the same
> very year??? They where surely not all out of their mind in 2006 or it is
something else?
>
> And why asking in January 2009 3 years later for a V'oluntary Disclosure'
(Not a VOLUNARY a typo on the AMSAT web page) when most of the
> amateur ham stuff is already in the public domain area? It is the same as if
you are speeding and you go back to your police station 3
> years later telling them you violate the law 3 years ago!!! or is it a way
to justify their inaction refusing to get any blame?
>
> What it is the most intriguing is the time frame and the fact they relate
the cooperation stopping to ITAR in 2006 when they signed a
> memorandum of understanding and cooperation at the same time? There is
something here who does not added up.
>
> Could be it is a way to try hiding their poor management past years record?
or something we should ask to Gomez Addams or to his lovely
> pale skin and a Gothic appearance wife Morticia Addams?
>
>
> It is a lot of good questions to be ask at the next AMSAT-NA symposium Board
of Directors general meeting in October?
>
>
>
>
> Memorandum of Understanding between
> AMSAT-DL, AMSAT-UK and AMSAT-NA
>
>
> AMSAT-DL for the last five years has been building the P3-E spacecraft to be
> launched into a HEO and intended as a replacement for previous P3
satellites.
> It's purpose is to facilitate communication between radio-amateurs worldwide
> and at the same time to test and verify technologies and procedures needed
for
> the P5-A mission to Mars. AMSAT-DL to this day has invested about 500,000
Euro
> into this project.
>
>
> AMSAT-NA and AMSAT-UK wish to contribute to the P3-E project, primarily with
> the goal to have the launch of P3-E as early as possible in order to give to
> their respective members the use of the communication services provided by
P3-
> E.
>
>
> It is recognized that the capability of AMSAT-DL to raise funds limits the
> speed of the development of P3-E. In order to make a launch possible in
2008,
> AMSAT-DL has an immediate need of 40,000 Euro and an estimated need of
~200,000
>
> Euro prior to the actual launch-date. AMSAT-NA and AMSAT-UK wish to help
with
> the raising of these requirements by providing 30,000 Euro (AMSAT-NA) and
> 10,000 Euro (AMSAT-UK) in the near future. Furthermore, they wish to
contribute
>
> by raising additional funding as the actual launch arrangements materialize.
>
>
> In order to achieve an effective cooperation in the funding effort and the
> construction and launching of P3-E, the following details to implement the
> cooperation are agreed:
>
>
> 1. The three AMSAT organizations will closely coordinate their activities
> and monitor progress of the project by frequent mutual consultations on the
> telephone. To this end the three parties will hold nominally a monthly
> telephone conference to review the status of the project and to identify
> problem areas. At this time the three organizations will be represented by
> Rick, Jim and Peter at these telephone-conferences.
>
> 2. According to need, the three organizations agree to hold sufficiently
> frequent meetings in person to review the project status. These meetings are
> assumed to be desirable with a frequency of 6-12 month between them.
>
> 3. It is understood by all three organizations that procuring a timely
> launch for P3-E is one of the bigger challenges of the project. AMSAT-DL is
> concentrating major efforts of procuring a launch with Arianespace, while
AMSAT-
> NA is trying to develop a launch opportunity within the USA. All parties
> recognize that major progress in funding is contingent on a firm launch
> agreement. All parties further recognize that a timely construction and
> integration of P3-E is critically dependent on all parties giving highest
> priority to fulfilling their respective commitments.
>
> 4. All three organizations understand that funding progress is dependent
on
> effective information dissemination worldwide. To this end the three
> organizations reiterate their mutual agreement that each organization can
> publish all P3-E related publications of the other two organizations in
their
> respective public organs without special permission. Furthermore, each
> organization is free to prepare 'official' statements about the project, but
> these publications must be agreed with the project management of P3-E
(AMSAT-
> DL) prior to publication. Requests for agreement to publish will be sent to
> Peter (or another person chosen by him), who will use best efforts to
respond
> within 7 days with an answer. With other publications by individual authors
no
> such agreement is necessary provided that the context makes it is clear that
> the publication is not an official declaration by the project management or
> AMSAT-DL.
>
> 5. AMSAT-DL reiterates that the operational use of P3-E will be primarily
to
> provide amateur radio communication services. But all parties also
understand
> that the spacecraft is a dual service satellite, and that AMSAT-DL retains
the
> right to occasionally reduce the provision of amateur radio services if work
> towards P5-A requires this. A-DL will use due diligence to minimize the
impact
> of the P5-A requirements on the provision of amateur services.
>
>
> For AMSAT-DL For AMSAT-NA For AMSAT-UK
>
> Peter DB2OS Rick W2GPS J Jim G3WGM
>
______________________________________________________________________________
___
>
> Just check here for the proof
> http://www.amsat.org/amsat/archive/amsat-bb/200702/msg00394.html
>
>
______________________________________________________________________________
___
>
> The ITAR public domain exclusions
>
> ? 120.11 Public domain.
> (a) Public domain means information
> which is published and which is generally
> accessible or available to the
> public:
> (1) Through sales at newsstands and
> bookstores;
> (2) Through subscriptions which are
> available without restriction to any individual
> who desires to obtain or purchase
> the published information;
> (3) Through second class mailing
> privileges granted by the U.S. Government;
> (4) At libraries open to the public or
> from which the public can obtain documents;
> (5) Through patents available at any
> patent office;
> (6) Through unlimited distribution at
> a conference, meeting, seminar, trade
> show or exhibition, generally accessible
> to the public, in the United
> States;
> (7) Through public release (i.e., unlimited
> distribution) in any form (e.g.,
> not necessarily in published form) after
> approval by the cognizant U.S. government
> department or agency (see also
> ? 125.4(b)(13) of this subchapter);
> (8) Through fundamental research in
> science and engineering at accredited
> institutions of higher learning in the
> U.S. where the resulting information is
> ordinarily published and shared broadly
> in the scientific community. Fundamental
> research is defined to mean
> basic and applied research in science
> and engineering where the resulting information
> is ordinarily published and
> shared broadly within the scientific
> community, as distinguished from research
> the results of which are restricted
> for proprietary reasons or specific
> U.S. Government access and dissemination
> controls. University research
> will not be considered fundamental
> research if:
> (i) The University or its researchers
> accept other restrictions on publication
> of scientific and technical information
> resulting from the project or
> activity, or
> (ii) The research is funded by the
> U.S. Government and specific access
> and dissemination controls protecting
> information resulting from the research
> are applicable.
> (b) [Reserved]
>
>
> PS. Did any one ever heard of any report about the memorandum and the way it
works since 2006?
>
> "-"
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 12:25:44 -0400
From: "John" <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] TNC's for satellite work
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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All,
I'm in the process of setting up a simple 'earth station' for satellite work.
One facet I am interested in is digital mode. Thus my question: will a
Rigblaster Plus work as a TNC, or must I buy a dedicated TNC? My shack is
rather small, and I'd rather have one box that would do two things vs. two
that do one thing.
Rig is an Icom 706MKIIG, which has the data port for packet.
Assuming that the answer to the question I pose in the first paragraph is "no,
a rigblaster won't serve as a TNC", are there recommendations for TNC's? From
reviewing the literature they all seem to have about the same functionality,
so I wonder if the $200 Kantronics unit will give as good service as would the
$540 Timewave PK232.
Thanks!
John
KC9IKB
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 02:07:04 -0400
From: Luc Leblanc <lucleblanc6@xxxxxxxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] World space week
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Just to inform our AMSAT'S about this event! It will be a great media platform
even more if ISS can be activated (Cross band repeater or
direct crew contact) during this period October 4 to 10.
What is World Space Week?
It is an international celebration of science and technology, and their
contribution to the betterment of the human condition. The United
Nations General Assembly declared in 1999 that World Space Week will be held
each year from October 4-10. These dates commemorate two
events:
* October 4, 1957 -- Launch of the first human-made Earth satellite,
Sputnik 1, thus opening the way for space exploration
* October 10, 1967 - The signing of the Treaty on Principles Governing the
Activites of States in the Exploration and Peaceful Uses of
Outer Space, including the Moon and Other Celestial Bodies.
Where and how is World Space Week celebrated?
It is open to all. Government agencies, industry, non-profit organizations,
teachers, or even individuals can organize events to celebrate
space. This week is coordinated by the United Nations with the support of
World Space Week Association and local coordinators in many
countries. Information on the many locations and countries that celebrate
World Space Week can be found here.
What are the benefits of World Space Week?
* Educates people around the world about the benefits they receive from
space
* Encourages greater use of space for sustainable economic development
* Demonstrates public support for space programs
* Excites children about learning and their future
* Promote institutions around the world that are involved in space
* Fosters international cooperation in space outreach and education
How can schools participate?
This event is ideal for teachers to promote student interest in science and
math. A free Teacher's Activity Guide is available here. To
encourage participation, World Space Week Association gives various
educational awards each year.
What can I do for World Space Week?
There are many ways to get involved:
* Volunteer for World Space Week Association
* Organize an event directly
* Help expand and coordinate World Space Week
* Encourage teachers and students to do space-related activities
More on:
http://www.worldspaceweek.org/
"-"
Luc Leblanc VE2DWE
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 03:44:10 -0400
From: Luc Leblanc <lucleblanc6@xxxxxxxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] ITAR vs cooperation? or bull..dozer;)
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>From AMSAT-NA web page who was updated: 23 Aug, 09
excerpt:
AMSAT Files CJ Requests with US State Department
"AMSAT's involvement with P3-E halted in 2006 due to concerns over possible
ITAR violations."
Did anyone can explain why is it possible to say "AMSAT's involvement with P3-
E halted in 2006 due to concerns over possible ITAR
violations" when i wrote about the memorandum (see below) on February 22 2007
as this paper has been signed prior to February 2007 in 2006?
Even if ITAR does not apply to information related to general scientific,
mathematical or engineering principles that is commonly taught
in schools and colleges or information that is (legitimately) in the public
domain. Nor does it apply to general marketing information or
basic system descriptions. (see below)
How the cooperation between AMSAT-NA and AMSAT-DL and AMSAT-UK stopped in
2006 when theses 3 gentlemens
Peter DB2OS for AMSAT-DL, Rick W2GPS for AMSAT-NA, Jim G3WGM for AMSAT-UK
signed a memorandum of understanding and cooperation the same
very year??? They where surely not all out of their mind in 2006 or it is
something else?
And why asking in January 2009 3 years later for a V'oluntary Disclosure' (Not
a VOLUNARY a typo on the AMSAT web page) when most of the
amateur ham stuff is already in the public domain area? It is the same as if
you are speeding and you go back to your police station 3
years later telling them you violate the law 3 years ago!!! or is it a way to
justify their inaction refusing to get any blame?
What it is the most intriguing is the time frame and the fact they relate the
cooperation stopping to ITAR in 2006 when they signed a
memorandum of understanding and cooperation at the same time? There is
something here who does not added up.
Could be it is a way to try hiding their poor management past years record? or
something we should ask to Gomez Addams or to his lovely
pale skin and a Gothic appearance wife Morticia Addams?
It is a lot of good questions to be ask at the next AMSAT-NA symposium Board
of Directors general meeting in October?
Memorandum of Understanding between
AMSAT-DL, AMSAT-UK and AMSAT-NA
AMSAT-DL for the last five years has been building the P3-E spacecraft to be
launched into a HEO and intended as a replacement for previous P3 satellites.
It's purpose is to facilitate communication between radio-amateurs worldwide
and at the same time to test and verify technologies and procedures needed for
the P5-A mission to Mars. AMSAT-DL to this day has invested about 500,000 Euro
into this project.
AMSAT-NA and AMSAT-UK wish to contribute to the P3-E project, primarily with
the goal to have the launch of P3-E as early as possible in order to give to
their respective members the use of the communication services provided by P3-
E.
It is recognized that the capability of AMSAT-DL to raise funds limits the
speed of the development of P3-E. In order to make a launch possible in 2008,
AMSAT-DL has an immediate need of 40,000 Euro and an estimated need of
~200,000
Euro prior to the actual launch-date. AMSAT-NA and AMSAT-UK wish to help with
the raising of these requirements by providing 30,000 Euro (AMSAT-NA) and
10,000 Euro (AMSAT-UK) in the near future. Furthermore, they wish to
contribute
by raising additional funding as the actual launch arrangements materialize.
In order to achieve an effective cooperation in the funding effort and the
construction and launching of P3-E, the following details to implement the
cooperation are agreed:
1. The three AMSAT organizations will closely coordinate their activities
and monitor progress of the project by frequent mutual consultations on the
telephone. To this end the three parties will hold nominally a monthly
telephone conference to review the status of the project and to identify
problem areas. At this time the three organizations will be represented by
Rick, Jim and Peter at these telephone-conferences.
2. According to need, the three organizations agree to hold sufficiently
frequent meetings in person to review the project status. These meetings are
assumed to be desirable with a frequency of 6-12 month between them.
3. It is understood by all three organizations that procuring a timely
launch for P3-E is one of the bigger challenges of the project. AMSAT-DL is
concentrating major efforts of procuring a launch with Arianespace, while
AMSAT-
NA is trying to develop a launch opportunity within the USA. All parties
recognize that major progress in funding is contingent on a firm launch
agreement. All parties further recognize that a timely construction and
integration of P3-E is critically dependent on all parties giving highest
priority to fulfilling their respective commitments.
4. All three organizations understand that funding progress is dependent on
effective information dissemination worldwide. To this end the three
organizations reiterate their mutual agreement that each organization can
publish all P3-E related publications of the other two organizations in their
respective public organs without special permission. Furthermore, each
organization is free to prepare 'official' statements about the project, but
these publications must be agreed with the project management of P3-E (AMSAT-
DL) prior to publication. Requests for agreement to publish will be sent to
Peter (or another person chosen by him), who will use best efforts to respond
within 7 days with an answer. With other publications by individual authors no
such agreement is necessary provided that the context makes it is clear that
the publication is not an official declaration by the project management or
AMSAT-DL.
5. AMSAT-DL reiterates that the operational use of P3-E will be primarily
to
provide amateur radio communication services. But all parties also understand
that the spacecraft is a dual service satellite, and that AMSAT-DL retains the
right to occasionally reduce the provision of amateur radio services if work
towards P5-A requires this. A-DL will use due diligence to minimize the impact
of the P5-A requirements on the provision of amateur services.
For AMSAT-DL For AMSAT-NA For AMSAT-UK
Peter DB2OS Rick W2GPS J Jim G3WGM
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Just check here for the proof
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/archive/amsat-bb/200702/msg00394.html
______________________________________________________________________________
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The ITAR public domain exclusions
? 120.11 Public domain.
(a) Public domain means information
which is published and which is generally
accessible or available to the
public:
(1) Through sales at newsstands and
bookstores;
(2) Through subscriptions which are
available without restriction to any individual
who desires to obtain or purchase
the published information;
(3) Through second class mailing
privileges granted by the U.S. Government;
(4) At libraries open to the public or
from which the public can obtain documents;
(5) Through patents available at any
patent office;
(6) Through unlimited distribution at
a conference, meeting, seminar, trade
show or exhibition, generally accessible
to the public, in the United
States;
(7) Through public release (i.e., unlimited
distribution) in any form (e.g.,
not necessarily in published form) after
approval by the cognizant U.S. government
department or agency (see also
? 125.4(b)(13) of this subchapter);
(8) Through fundamental research in
science and engineering at accredited
institutions of higher learning in the
U.S. where the resulting information is
ordinarily published and shared broadly
in the scientific community. Fundamental
research is defined to mean
basic and applied research in science
and engineering where the resulting information
is ordinarily published and
shared broadly within the scientific
community, as distinguished from research
the results of which are restricted
for proprietary reasons or specific
U.S. Government access and dissemination
controls. University research
will not be considered fundamental
research if:
(i) The University or its researchers
accept other restrictions on publication
of scientific and technical information
resulting from the project or
activity, or
(ii) The research is funded by the
U.S. Government and specific access
and dissemination controls protecting
information resulting from the research
are applicable.
(b) [Reserved]
PS. Did any one ever heard of any report about the memorandum and the way it
works since 2006?
"-"
Luc Leblanc VE2DWE
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 09:29:31 -0400
From: "John" <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Rigblaster TNC?
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All,
I'm in the process of setting up a simple 'earth station' for satellite work.
One facet I am interested in is digital mode. Thus my
question: will a Rigblaster Plus work as a TNC, or must I buy a dedicated TNC?
My shack is rather small, and I'd rather have one box
that would do two things vs. two that do one thing.
Rig is an Icom 706MKIIG, which has the data port for packet.
Assuming that the answer to the question I pose in the first paragraph is "no,
a rigblaster won't serve as a TNC", are there
recommendations for TNC's? From reviewing the literature they all seem to have
about the same functionality, so I wonder if the $200
Kantronics unit will give as good service as would the $540 Timewave PK232.
Thanks!
John
KC9IKB
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 15:48:40 -0400
From: Luc Leblanc <lucleblanc6@xxxxxxxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] My first DSTAR satellite transmission.
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I put the recording of my first DSTAR experience on satellite over the week
end. Dave KB1PVH was there too trying this mode but we will
have to set another session to have a QSO. With the proper doppler correction
it is possible to have an AOS to LOS QSO but the 500khz step
of the Icom radio does not give a full doppler correction making the downlink
harder to decode at time. At TCA performance are quite good.
Radio used are in the first picture. ID-800H and IC-2200H
See it on www.qsl.net/ve2dwe
"-"
Luc Leblanc VE2DWE
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 23:24:53 +0200
From: Geert Jan de Groot <pe1hzg@xxxxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Help sought - amateur satellite service vs D-star
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Hello,
I apologise for the intrusion of my first message on this list -
consider me an incidental lurker, incidental AMSAT-UK colloquium
visitor, and incidental easysat user.
I just don't have the cycles to do more, sorry.
I ask your assistance in the following matter.
Background
In the Netherlands, 436-440 MHz is secondary to the amateur
and amateur sat service. The folk experimenting with D-star
on 70cms use a fairly large shift of 9.4 Mhz, resulting in
a typical setup of 430.400-430.600 in and 439.800-440.000 out.
Unattended stations (like D-star repeaters) do require a special
license here.
Recently, issuing of unattended licenses has come to an extreme halt
because the Dutch regulator has started to allocate frequencies
around 439.500 and upwards for Differential GPS (DGPS).
The Dutch amateur community contests
the use of this frequency for DGPS, claiming it is in violation
with ITU allocations. Amateur clubs in neighbour countries,
*as well as telcom regulators in those countries*, agree on
this matter and believe AT-EZ is mistaken.
But AT-EZ are also stubbern, and supposedly fear damage claims from
systems already deployed.
The net result is that currently, no D-star repeater license is issued
because the output frequency proposed cannot be licensed for unattended use,
according to the regulator.
Recently..
The D-star community, having fear of not being able to use their equipment,
is now proposing to use a shift of 7.4 MHz shift: input ~430.400-430.600,
output 437.800-438.000.
The output obviously collides with the amateur radio satellite service,
but the proposal does not mention this at all, nor does it mention
any remedy for this interference, which the amateur radio service
would inflict on itself, on a worldwide (at least European) scale.
I don't need to explain what a 'local hole in allocation'
does for the worldwide sat service, no?
Not to mention, if the Amateur Radio Service doesn't take it's own
protection seriously, why would regulators need to take these
interference concerns seriously?
I believe this plan is very poorly thought-out and should be
rejected and complained upon on an International scale.
I believe that the amsat community should respond on this matter.
I also believe that our IARU-contacts should be used to fix this proposal.
Data
So far, the only information I found on this, is in Dutch, so you may
need to babelfish things:
http://www.d-star.nl/
http://zendamateur.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=3913&p=29449
There are 2 amateur radio clubs in the Netherlands.
One is VERON (IARU representative), the other one is VRZA.
While VRZA is not an IARU representative, both VERON and VRZA
have bi-annual meetings with the Dutch regulator
(which, I must admit, have been in better spirit in the past
than they are now, because of the DGPS issue, but I digress)
The plan, as described on the URL above, claims that the VRZA
"thinks this proposal is a good idea".
I kindly ask AMSAT folk, and especially those with IARU contacts,
to express their concerns about this proposal.
The person championing the proposal is PA0HWB, pa0hwb@xxxxx.xxx
(I realize the irony of Hans using the AMSAT alias to damage
the amateur sat service..)
For VRZA, I believe the best contact is the chair PG9W, pg9w (at vrza.nl).
For VERON, I think PB0AOK (at veron.nl) is probably a good place
to send mail to.
You probably have better contacts than I have - please use them.
I apologise for this lengthy message but hope this crazy proposal
can be dealt with appropiately.
Thanks in advance, 73
Geert Jan PE1HZG
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