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Today's Topics:
1. Re: broken links (Alan VE4YZ)
2. Re: broken links (Joel Black)
3. Re: broken links (Bill Ress)
4. Re: broken links (David Bate)
5. Re: broken links (Tim - N3TL)
6. Re: broken links (Scott Richardson)
7. Re: broken links (David Bate)
8. Re: broken links (Gould Smith)
9. Re: broken links (Glen Zook)
10. Re: broken links (Tim - N3TL)
11. Re: broken links (Glen Zook)
12. Re: broken links (Gould Smith)
13. ISS and STS-128 (Greg Beat)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 18:38:30 -0500
From: "Alan VE4YZ" <ve4yz@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: broken links
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <4EF830B368B042119282ECF4269CF972@xxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
IMHO fixing the existing site is not the answer.
If the executives will okay the use of a Wiki format, I am sure that 3 or 4
of us can communicate off list to set up a group to install and administer a
Wiki on another server.
We can call it The SIG ( Satellite Interest Group ) or whatever for now.
Any and All AMSAT members can then be registered to maintain the Wiki. If
the members and executive like the results it can be migrated to the AMSAT
server. It must include RSS, news feeds, and a forum in addition to all the
stuff ( current or otherwise ) on the existing AMSAT site.
The cost to this 3 or 4 person ( or more ) "steering committee" would be the
registration of a name and a year on a web hosting service such as GoDaddy
what runs a similar server a AMSAT's host. Or, use the AMSAT hosting
company. So this small group would have to come up with less than one
year's AMSAT membership to start this project.
We use an Open Source Wiki, no more customized PHP like the current site
that is high maintenance and really hard for anyone to get into the head of
any former code whacker to modify or update.
We need the AMSAT exec okay because there would be a lot of cut 'n paste of
old stuff from the existing site into the pilot project where is would be
available for updating a la Wiki.
I don't do this for a living, I do maintain a couple of club web sites, but
I bet we have a member reading this who is a professional web-whacker who
might oversee the team and keep us from making dumb decisions such as
choosing the wrong open source wiki to being with.
That's my 2 cents and just one warm body being offered for the effort.
73, Alan VE4YZ
EN19kv
AMSAT LM 2352
http://www.wincube.ca
--- On Tue, 9/8/09, Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
So who among you would like to volunteer to rewrite some of the articles and
bring them up to date?
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 18:53:34 -0500
From: Joel Black <jbblack68@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: broken links
To: Alan VE4YZ <ve4yz@xxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID:
<73583d7a0909081653x59fe20d7qf594cf02e76b842@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
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Alan,
Not sure what I can do, but I'll give a hand where I can.
73,
Joel/W4JBB
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 6:38 PM, Alan VE4YZ <ve4yz@xxx.xxx> wrote:
>
> IMHO fixing the existing site is not the answer.
>
> If the executives will okay the use of a Wiki format, I am sure that 3 or 4
> of us can communicate off list to set up a group to install and administer
> a
> Wiki on another server.
>
> We can call it The SIG ( Satellite Interest Group ) or whatever for now.
> Any and All AMSAT members can then be registered to maintain the Wiki. If
> the members and executive like the results it can be migrated to the AMSAT
> server. It must include RSS, news feeds, and a forum in addition to all
> the
> stuff ( current or otherwise ) on the existing AMSAT site.
>
> The cost to this 3 or 4 person ( or more ) "steering committee" would be
> the
> registration of a name and a year on a web hosting service such as GoDaddy
> what runs a similar server a AMSAT's host. Or, use the AMSAT hosting
> company. So this small group would have to come up with less than one
> year's AMSAT membership to start this project.
>
> We use an Open Source Wiki, no more customized PHP like the current site
> that is high maintenance and really hard for anyone to get into the head of
> any former code whacker to modify or update.
>
> We need the AMSAT exec okay because there would be a lot of cut 'n paste of
> old stuff from the existing site into the pilot project where is would be
> available for updating a la Wiki.
>
> I don't do this for a living, I do maintain a couple of club web sites, but
> I bet we have a member reading this who is a professional web-whacker who
> might oversee the team and keep us from making dumb decisions such as
> choosing the wrong open source wiki to being with.
>
> That's my 2 cents and just one warm body being offered for the effort.
>
> 73, Alan VE4YZ
> EN19kv
> AMSAT LM 2352
> http://www.wincube.ca
>
>
>
>
> --- On Tue, 9/8/09, Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
> So who among you would like to volunteer to rewrite some of the articles
> and
> bring them up to date?
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 16:55:50 -0700
From: Bill Ress <bill@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: broken links
To: Alan VE4YZ <ve4yz@xxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4AA6EF06.8090302@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Dang Alan...Sounds like a good suggestion. Finally....positive inputs.
Starting from the ground up with a "team" around the world able to
contribute and maintain and by golly we might have something.
Alan, I'd like you to be the focal/contact point for all you folks out
there that can contribute to getting traction on your idea. Give it a
little time to see how the idea works out and I'd be very happen to run
the resulting proposal to the Board. Remember - the annual Board meeting
is just a month away.
Regards...Bill - N6GHz
Alan VE4YZ wrote:
>
> IMHO fixing the existing site is not the answer.
>
> If the executives will okay the use of a Wiki format, I am sure that 3 or 4
> of us can communicate off list to set up a group to install and administer a
> Wiki on another server.
>
> We can call it The SIG ( Satellite Interest Group ) or whatever for now.
> Any and All AMSAT members can then be registered to maintain the Wiki. If
> the members and executive like the results it can be migrated to the AMSAT
> server. It must include RSS, news feeds, and a forum in addition to all the
> stuff ( current or otherwise ) on the existing AMSAT site.
>
> The cost to this 3 or 4 person ( or more ) "steering committee" would be the
> registration of a name and a year on a web hosting service such as GoDaddy
> what runs a similar server a AMSAT's host. Or, use the AMSAT hosting
> company. So this small group would have to come up with less than one
> year's AMSAT membership to start this project.
>
> We use an Open Source Wiki, no more customized PHP like the current site
> that is high maintenance and really hard for anyone to get into the head of
> any former code whacker to modify or update.
>
> We need the AMSAT exec okay because there would be a lot of cut 'n paste of
> old stuff from the existing site into the pilot project where is would be
> available for updating a la Wiki.
>
> I don't do this for a living, I do maintain a couple of club web sites, but
> I bet we have a member reading this who is a professional web-whacker who
> might oversee the team and keep us from making dumb decisions such as
> choosing the wrong open source wiki to being with.
>
> That's my 2 cents and just one warm body being offered for the effort.
>
> 73, Alan VE4YZ
> EN19kv
> AMSAT LM 2352
> http://www.wincube.ca
>
>
>
>
> --- On Tue, 9/8/09, Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
> So who among you would like to volunteer to rewrite some of the articles and
> bring them up to date?
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 19:58:02 -0400
From: "David Bate" <cfpm_cfsis@xxxxxxxx.xxxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: broken links
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <op.uzyp60scmwmutg@xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed;
delsp=yes
I have setup about 13 or 14 internal wiki's for IT companies and private
company's here in Ontario, Canada, the past 4 years and I can tell you
that it does work. Compared to html/php sites, it is a low effort
solution, after the initial setup. Everyone gets involved, everyone helps
keep it up-to-date and makes sure that the info posted is proper.
It shouldn't take long for the current sat and other amateur radio info to
be migrated in, with everyones help. After that, it's all down hill.
Like I said, the hardest part is the initial setup, and coming up with the
universal format, which doesn't take long with the meeting of the minds.
On Tue, 08 Sep 2009 19:38:30 -0400, Alan VE4YZ <ve4yz@xxx.xxx> wrote:
> IMHO fixing the existing site is not the answer.
>
> If the executives will okay the use of a Wiki format, I am sure that 3
> or 4
> of us can communicate off list to set up a group to install and
> administer a
> Wiki on another server.
>
> We can call it The SIG ( Satellite Interest Group ) or whatever for now.
> Any and All AMSAT members can then be registered to maintain the Wiki.
> If
> the members and executive like the results it can be migrated to the
> AMSAT
> server. It must include RSS, news feeds, and a forum in addition to all
> the
> stuff ( current or otherwise ) on the existing AMSAT site.
>
> The cost to this 3 or 4 person ( or more ) "steering committee" would be
> the
> registration of a name and a year on a web hosting service such as
> GoDaddy
> what runs a similar server a AMSAT's host. Or, use the AMSAT hosting
> company. So this small group would have to come up with less than one
> year's AMSAT membership to start this project.
>
> We use an Open Source Wiki, no more customized PHP like the current site
> that is high maintenance and really hard for anyone to get into the head
> of
> any former code whacker to modify or update.
>
> We need the AMSAT exec okay because there would be a lot of cut 'n paste
> of
> old stuff from the existing site into the pilot project where is would be
> available for updating a la Wiki.
>
> I don't do this for a living, I do maintain a couple of club web sites,
> but
> I bet we have a member reading this who is a professional web-whacker who
> might oversee the team and keep us from making dumb decisions such as
> choosing the wrong open source wiki to being with.
>
> That's my 2 cents and just one warm body being offered for the effort.
>
> 73, Alan VE4YZ
> EN19kv
> AMSAT LM 2352
> http://www.wincube.ca
--
Dave - VA3DBJ
Heritage & North Shore Amateur Radio Club Member
http://www.scandesk.info
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 17:00:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tim - N3TL <n3tl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: broken links
To: Alan VE4YZ <ve4yz@xxx.xxx>, amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <537367.47232.qm@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Alan and all,
Here's my 2 cents' worth - coming from someone who admittedly knows very
little about the tools, skills and resources necessary to develop and maintain
a Web site.
Alan, you write: "It must include RSS, news feeds, and a forum in addition to
all the stuff ( current or otherwise ) on the existing AMSAT site."
How does the AMSAT store fit into this, and is it possible to "mix" a wiki-
style "access for all" site with one that will include areas for the entry and
transfer of secure, private information (e.g., credit card information for
purchases)?
I ask this because I don't know of another major nonprofit that uses a wiki-
style site because of the need to incorporate an ecommerce site as part of the
overall Web presence.
My initial reaction to a Wiki approach is - no - for those reasons.
I hope someone can provide more information here to me and everyone who reads
the BB that might help mitigate my concerns. I further hope someone who is
truly interested in mitigating the issues seemingly so many here have with the
AMSAT Web site will attend the Board meeting in October to continue this kind
of dialogue with the Board.
73 to all,
Tim - N3TL
Athens, Ga. - EM84ha
________________________________
From: Alan VE4YZ <ve4yz@xxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2009 7:38:30 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: broken links
IMHO fixing the existing site is not the answer.?
If the executives will okay the use of a Wiki format, I am sure that 3 or 4
of us can communicate off list to set up a group to install and administer a
Wiki on another server.
We can call it The SIG ( Satellite Interest Group ) or whatever for now.
Any and All AMSAT members can then be registered to maintain the Wiki.? If
the members and executive like the results it can be migrated to the AMSAT
server.? It must include RSS, news feeds, and a forum in addition to all the
stuff ( current or otherwise ) on the existing AMSAT site.
The cost to this 3 or 4 person ( or more ) "steering committee" would be the
registration of a name and a year on a web hosting service such as GoDaddy
what runs a similar server a AMSAT's host.? Or, use the AMSAT hosting
company.? So this small group would have to come up with less than one
year's AMSAT membership to start this project.
We use an Open Source Wiki, no more customized PHP like the current site
that is high maintenance and really hard for anyone to get into the head of
any former code whacker to modify or update.
We need the AMSAT exec okay because there would be a lot of cut 'n paste of
old stuff from the existing site into the pilot project where is would be
available for updating a la Wiki.
I don't do this for a living, I do maintain a couple of club web sites, but
I bet we have a member reading this who is a professional web-whacker who
might oversee the team and keep us from making dumb decisions such as
choosing the wrong open source wiki to being with.
That's my 2 cents and just one warm body being offered for the effort.
73, Alan VE4YZ
EN19kv
AMSAT LM 2352
http://www.wincube.ca
--- On Tue, 9/8/09, Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
So who among you would like to volunteer to rewrite some of the articles and
bring them up to date?
? ? ?
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 20:08:13 -0400
From: "Scott Richardson" <scott@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: broken links
To: "Joel Black" <jbblack68@xxxxx.xxx>, "Alan VE4YZ" <ve4yz@xxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <F5E1B3A091BB4351A6DCA37FAAED5DB6@xxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
I can help with the website, too, and would be happy to be part of a team.
My offer to volunteer went to Gould just a few days ago and he may not have
had an opportunity to consider it yet.
I've kept my disappointment with the current site to myself, knowing that I
cannot volunteer to be a standalone AMSAT webmaster. But like several others
writing today, I am willing to take on part of the job. If the BOD needs a
single responsible point of contact, it would be up to that person (if he or
she exists) to decide if it's going to be a solo or shared effort.
The wiki approach sounds reasonable and wouldn't need to be hosted
elsewhere. I don't know why we couldn't simply set up a subdomain at the
current host(wiki.amsat.org?) and get the job started this week. It's also
possible the site can be improved as currently structured, simply through
intense attention to content.
73, Scott N1AIA
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 20:13:28 -0400
From: "David Bate" <cfpm_cfsis@xxxxxxxx.xxxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: broken links
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <op.uzyqwqr0mwmutg@xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed;
delsp=yes
The Wiki, should only be used for the info only, not for e-commerce. The
stores/e-commerce should be kept separate from the info/wiki for obvious
reasons (i.e. security, backup). Only a selected few should have access
and update the store/e-commerce section of the site. Links and modules can
be created to draw people to the store for items and so on, but they
should be kept separate database/server wise.
On Tue, 08 Sep 2009 20:00:31 -0400, Tim - N3TL <n3tl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> Alan and all,
>
> Here's my 2 cents' worth - coming from someone who admittedly knows very
> little about the tools, skills and resources necessary to develop and
> maintain a Web site.
>
> Alan, you write: "It must include RSS, news feeds, and a forum in
> addition to all the stuff ( current or otherwise ) on the existing AMSAT
> site."
>
> How does the AMSAT store fit into this, and is it possible to "mix" a
> wiki-style "access for all" site with one that will include areas for
> the entry and transfer of secure, private information (e.g., credit card
> information for purchases)?
>
> I ask this because I don't know of another major nonprofit that uses a
> wiki-style site because of the need to incorporate an ecommerce site as
> part of the overall Web presence.
>
> My initial reaction to a Wiki approach is - no - for those reasons.
>
> I hope someone can provide more information here to me and everyone who
> reads the BB that might help mitigate my concerns. I further hope
> someone who is truly interested in mitigating the issues seemingly so
> many here have with the AMSAT Web site will attend the Board meeting in
> October to continue this kind of dialogue with the Board.
>
> 73 to all,
>
> Tim - N3TL
> Athens, Ga. - EM84ha
--
Dave - VA3DBJ
Heritage & North Shore Amateur Radio Club Member
http://www.scandesk.info
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 21:00:11 -0400
From: "Gould Smith" <gouldsmi@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: broken links
To: "Scott Richardson" <scott@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <1483A3FEDD2F4804B31535FDA43C06B5@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
Hello Scott,
I have not received any email from you from this address. The only posts I
have were sent to the BB.
73,
Gould
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Richardson" <scott@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "Joel Black" <jbblack68@xxxxx.xxx>; "Alan VE4YZ" <ve4yz@xxx.xxx>
Cc: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 8:08 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: broken links
>I can help with the website, too, and would be happy to be part of a team.
> My offer to volunteer went to Gould just a few days ago and he may not
> have
> had an opportunity to consider it yet.
>
> I've kept my disappointment with the current site to myself, knowing that
> I
> cannot volunteer to be a standalone AMSAT webmaster. But like several
> others
> writing today, I am willing to take on part of the job. If the BOD needs a
> single responsible point of contact, it would be up to that person (if he
> or
> she exists) to decide if it's going to be a solo or shared effort.
>
> The wiki approach sounds reasonable and wouldn't need to be hosted
> elsewhere. I don't know why we couldn't simply set up a subdomain at the
> current host(wiki.amsat.org?) and get the job started this week. It's also
> possible the site can be improved as currently structured, simply through
> intense attention to content.
>
> 73, Scott N1AIA
>
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 18:10:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Glen Zook <gzook@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: broken links
To: David Bate <cfpm_cfsis@xxxxxxxx.xxxx>, Bill Ress
<bill@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: List - AMSAT <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <548848.52336.qm@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Obviously there are those with the skills to "fix" the website. However, most
of the AMSAT members, including me, do not have those skills. I do have
skills in other areas, but I have enough to do just trying to keep my own
website current and it is one of those "websites for dummies" types that Go
Daddy has available. Now they don't call it "websites for dummies" but that
is what it basically is.
It is going to take more than an advertisement in the newsletter, which, I am
almost certain many, if not most, of the members don't even notice, to get the
volunteer help needed. Basically, it is going to take a "feature" article and
maybe even a "headline" on the cover.
I have been a member of AMSAT since the 2nd month of its creation and, over
the years, I have seen people come and go as well as peaks and lows in the
level of participation of the membership. Like most organizations there are a
relatively few people who do the majority of the work and, unfortunately, it
is really "up to" those who are doing the actual work to ask for help. Is
this unfair? To quote the old "Laugh In" TV show, "you bet your sweet bippy".
However, this is just one of the unfortunate "facts of life" in the volunteer
organization world.
I have been a "professional author" for going on 50 years (have over 1000
copyrighted articles, newspaper columns, etc.), albeit part time. My articles
have been published in 73 Magazine, CQ Magazine, Ham Radio Magazine, Electric
Radio Magazine, Popular Electronics Magazine, and several other publications.
I was also the first FM Editor of CQ Magazine from January 1971 until
September 1973. In addition, for over 3 years I wrote a three times a week
newspaper column for the Belo Corporation. If desired, I can write such an
article asking for help. Let me know if this is desired and to whom the
manuscript should be E-Mailed.
Glen, K9STH
AMSAT 239/LM 463
Website: http://k9sth.com
--- On Tue, 9/8/09, Bill Ress <bill@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
Hi David.....Good suggestion but the same old problem. Whose going to do it???
Your Board knows the web site needs fixing . . . but whose going to volunteer
to do the fixing. It was set up by volunteers who are no longer around to fix
it.
We sure hear about the problems, and the web site has its share. All these
great solutions but no one willing to part of those solutions. But then, it's
so much easier to point out the problems than it is to try and fix then.
Now I understand it can be hard to find technical talent to volunteer to build
a satellite but you would think it would be a whole lot easier to find a
volunteer(s) that can handle web site management. But alas...it is not to be.
Oh well, lets keep hitting the Board up side the head, like that will surely
solve the problem.
Any of this sinking in out there? You can bitch about the broken web site all
you want but until we get a volunteer(s) to do the bloody work... well you
know the story.
Here's a crazy idea. How about you folks putting a "team" together to share
the work so that one person isn't overwhelmed with a commitment to fix the
problem. Aah - who am I kidding. They'll be no response to that either.
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 18:19:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tim - N3TL <n3tl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: broken links
To: Glen Zook <gzook@xxxxx.xxx>, David Bate
<cfpm_cfsis@xxxxxxxx.xxxx>, Bill Ress <bill@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: List - AMSAT <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <56380.83531.qm@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Glen,
We have similar credentials, although I hit 1.000 bylined-and-published site
in about 30 years ... hihi. Please email your article to me, for inclusion in
the next issue of the Journal.
It's my call AT amsat dot org. Also, please feel free to contact me off the BB
if you wish.
73 to all,
Tim - N3TL
Athens, Ga. - EM84ha
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From: Glen Zook <gzook@xxxxx.xxx>
To: David Bate <cfpm_cfsis@xxxxxxxx.xxxx>; Bill Ress <bill@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: List - AMSAT <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2009 9:10:29 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: broken links
Obviously there are those with the skills to "fix" the website.? However, most
of the AMSAT members, including me, do not have those skills.? I do have
skills in other areas, but I have enough to do just trying to keep my own
website current and it is one of those "websites for dummies" types that Go
Daddy has available.? Now they don't call it "websites for dummies" but that
is what it basically is.
It is going to take more than an advertisement in the newsletter, which, I am
almost certain many, if not most, of the members don't even notice, to get the
volunteer help needed.? Basically, it is going to take a "feature" article and
maybe even a "headline" on the cover.
I have been a member of AMSAT since the 2nd month of its creation and, over
the years, I have seen people come and go as well as peaks and lows in the
level of participation of the membership.? Like most organizations there are a
relatively few people who do the majority of the work and, unfortunately, it
is really "up to" those who are doing the actual work to ask for help.? Is
this unfair?? To quote the old "Laugh In" TV show, "you bet your sweet
bippy".? However, this is just one of the unfortunate "facts of life" in the
volunteer organization world.
I have been a "professional author" for going on 50 years (have over 1000
copyrighted articles, newspaper columns, etc.), albeit part time.? My articles
have been published in 73 Magazine, CQ Magazine, Ham Radio Magazine, Electric
Radio Magazine, Popular Electronics Magazine, and several other publications.?
I was also the first FM Editor of CQ Magazine from January 1971 until
September 1973.? In addition, for over 3 years I wrote a three times a week
newspaper column for the Belo Corporation.? If desired, I can write such an
article asking for help.? Let me know if this is desired and to whom the
manuscript should be E-Mailed.
Glen, K9STH
AMSAT 239/LM 463
Website:? http://k9sth.com
--- On Tue, 9/8/09, Bill Ress <bill@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
Hi David.....Good suggestion but the same old problem. Whose going to do it???
Your Board knows the web site needs fixing . . . but whose going to volunteer
to do the fixing. It was set up by volunteers who are no longer around to fix
it.
We sure hear about the problems, and the web site has its share. All these
great solutions but no one willing to part of those solutions. But then, it's
so much easier to point out the problems than it is to try and fix then.
Now I understand it can be hard to find technical talent to volunteer to build
a satellite but you would think it would be a whole lot easier to find a
volunteer(s) that can handle web site management. But alas...it is not to be.
Oh well, lets keep hitting the Board up side the head, like that will surely
solve the problem.
Any of this sinking in out there? You can bitch about the broken web site all
you want but until we get a volunteer(s) to do the bloody work... well you
know the story.
Here's a crazy idea. How about you folks putting a "team" together to share
the work so that one person isn't overwhelmed with a commitment to fix the
problem. Aah - who am I kidding. They'll be no response to that either.
? ? ?
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 18:23:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: Glen Zook <gzook@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: broken links
To: David Bate <cfpm_cfsis@xxxxxxxx.xxxx>, Bill Ress
<bill@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>, Tim - N3TL <n3tl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: List - AMSAT <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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I hit the 1000 mark a couple of decades ago as well. Sold my very first
article to Wayne Green at 73 Magazine my junior year in high school. Got $30
for an article that was 2/3rds of a page in the old small size magazine which
included a sketch! That was a "fortune" to a 17 year old in 1961.
By the way, I graduated from the North Avenue Trade School (a.k.a. Georgia
Tech) in April of 1967.
Glen, K9STH
Website: http://k9sth.com
--- On Tue, 9/8/09, Tim - N3TL <n3tl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
We have similar credentials, although I hit 1.000 bylined-and-published site
in about 30 years ... hihi. Please email your article to me, for inclusion in
the next issue of the Journal.
?
It's my call AT amsat dot org. Also, please feel free to contact me off the BB
if you wish.
Tim - N3TL
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 21:26:58 -0400
From: "Gould Smith" <gouldsmi@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: broken links
To: "Alan VE4YZ" <ve4yz@xxx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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Alan, David, Tim Joel, et al,
I have prepared a presentation to the Board on the web site. We need 1)
content 2) people to periodically update the information 3) new software
to access the web site for periodic update 4) possibly a new structure to
add to the current web site.
All of these things are possible, it mostly requires people to volunteer and
follow through on a long term basis.
73,
Gould, WA4SXM
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan VE4YZ" <ve4yz@xxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 7:38 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: broken links
>
> IMHO fixing the existing site is not the answer.
>
> If the executives will okay the use of a Wiki format, I am sure that 3 or
> 4
> of us can communicate off list to set up a group to install and administer
> a
> Wiki on another server.
>
> We can call it The SIG ( Satellite Interest Group ) or whatever for now.
> Any and All AMSAT members can then be registered to maintain the Wiki. If
> the members and executive like the results it can be migrated to the AMSAT
> server. It must include RSS, news feeds, and a forum in addition to all
> the
> stuff ( current or otherwise ) on the existing AMSAT site.
>
> The cost to this 3 or 4 person ( or more ) "steering committee" would be
> the
> registration of a name and a year on a web hosting service such as GoDaddy
> what runs a similar server a AMSAT's host. Or, use the AMSAT hosting
> company. So this small group would have to come up with less than one
> year's AMSAT membership to start this project.
>
> We use an Open Source Wiki, no more customized PHP like the current site
> that is high maintenance and really hard for anyone to get into the head
> of
> any former code whacker to modify or update.
>
> We need the AMSAT exec okay because there would be a lot of cut 'n paste
> of
> old stuff from the existing site into the pilot project where is would be
> available for updating a la Wiki.
>
> I don't do this for a living, I do maintain a couple of club web sites,
> but
> I bet we have a member reading this who is a professional web-whacker who
> might oversee the team and keep us from making dumb decisions such as
> choosing the wrong open source wiki to being with.
>
> That's my 2 cents and just one warm body being offered for the effort.
>
> 73, Alan VE4YZ
> EN19kv
> AMSAT LM 2352
> http://www.wincube.ca
>
>
>
>
> --- On Tue, 9/8/09, Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
> So who among you would like to volunteer to rewrite some of the articles
> and
> bring them up to date?
>
>
>
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 20:37:25 -0500
From: "Greg Beat" <gregory.beat@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] ISS and STS-128
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What a beautiful and bright (-3.5) pass of STS-128 and ISS trailing about 2
seconds behind over Chicago tonight!
The ISS solar panels were turned "edge on" earlier today before undocking of
STS-128 ..
and this provided a rare and bright (~ -7) ISS "flash" that was like the
Iridium flash observations!
Only 6 more shuttle flights, so these visible dual sighting opportunities will
soon be part of history!
w9gb
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