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Today's Topics:
1. Re: please be positive (John Geiger)
2. Re: please be positive (Andrew Glasbrenner)
3. Re: Trolls on the -bb (Rocky Jones)
4. Re: please be positive (Rocky Jones)
5. Re: RE - iPod tracking software. (D. Craig Fox)
6. Re: please be positive (Daniel Schultz)
7. Re: Trolls on the -bb (nick)
8. Re: Trolls on the -bb (John Price)
9. Re: Trolls on the -bb (Rocky Jones)
10. Re: Trolls on the -bb (Mark L. Hammond)
11. G5500 Rotor mounting (Randy)
12. Another G5500 Question (Randy)
13. Re: Another G5500 Question (Lowell White)
14. Re: Trolls on the -bb / Being positive (PE0SAT)
15. AMSAT Symposium Breaking News: Low Cost Airfares
(Frank H. Bauer)
16. Re: G5500 Rotor Mounting (Ron Miles)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 18:32:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Geiger <aa5jg@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: please be positive
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF <nigel@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <686650.50867.qm@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
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And judging by the working of some ads I see on QTH.COM and QRZ.COM, it is
better than the English of plenty of native English speakers here.
73s John AA5JG
--- On Tue, 9/1/09, Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF <nigel@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> From: Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF <nigel@xxxxx.xxx>
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: please be positive
> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 5:56 PM
> And your English far better than most
> peoples mastery of ANY other language used here.
>
> OZ1MY wrote:
>
> >
> > Hope this e-mail is understandable. My native language
> is Danish.
> > 73 OZ1MY
>
>
> --
> Nigel A. Gunn,? 1865 El Camino Drive, Xenia, OH
> 45385-1115, USA.? tel +1 937 825 5032
> Amateur Radio G8IFF W8IFF (was KC8NHF),? e-mail nigel@xxxxx.xxxx
> ? ???www? http://www.ngunn.net
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> #548,? Flying Pigs QRP Club International #385,
> ? ? ? ? ? ? Dayton ARA #2128,
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 23:26:54 -0400
From: "Andrew Glasbrenner" <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: please be positive
To: "Jack K." <kd1pe.1@xxxxx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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Let me address this one paragraph.
>
> I will give you an example... The only energies I see being spent at this
> time and projected into the future are for more LEOS of one kind or
> another.
The AMSAT engineering task force was involved with a detailed proposal put
together by Tom Clark for a GEO rideshare package last year. Unfortunately
that did not work out, but it did lead us to develop a modular construction
strategy where we may be able to quickly respond to some opportunity. Any
effort put into a LEO package has direct applications to a HEO spacecraft,
or educational aspects, or usually both.
> The argument I have seen advanced is that this is because it is all we can
> do... It would seem to me there would be a HEO project moving along (under
> design at least) against the day that this becomes a possibility.
Let me remind you that AMSAT-DL has a 90% constructed HEO waiting for a way
to pay for a launch. Until they find and pay for a launch, they don't have a
viable HEO program either. Unfortunately, and this is my opinion, I believe
the size and shape of that HEO severely restricts how it can get to orbit.
I'm not criticizing the German effort, I support it. I merely am pointing
out a problem that we must avoid. We do indeed learn as we go.
As an example of the issue: Say we have our physical Eagle spacecraft which
has been through 3 or 4 iterations, but damn it we built it anyways. Let's
say we replicated AO-13, like P3E. So we manage to find a few million to
launch as a secondary and we decide ULA is the launch agency. Take a look at
http://www.ulalaunch.com/docs/product_sheet/SmallSpacecraftProductCard.pdf .
Would our spacecraft fit in anything other than the largest, most expensive
space? Did we design it to take the G forces of launch while stowed
vertically, horizontally, or inverted? What seperation system did we build
into the spacecraft? Does it even fit in the space allowed? This problem is
present no matter the launch vehicle or agency.
Many of us have come to the conclusion that it is a bit fruitless to build a
spacecraft without knowing the size, shape and orientation of the ride we
are taking to orbit. That's why we are developing a modular approach to be
able to react quickly, with space proven hardware even, to a short fuse
opportunity to LEO, HEO, MEO, or GEO.
However
> whenever someone mentions a HEO, rather than being encouraged to join a
> discussion group, a plans and engineering group or something of this ilk,
> I
> see the denigration begin. To me it is this short sighted and to my way of
> thinking, stifling mindset that is AMSATS largest shortcoming and perhaps
> even its downfall. Perhaps there is a planning group for a HEO, but if so,
> it is well hid.
AMSAT-BB is a giant discussion group. Talk about related items as much as
you want. Identify some launch or funding opportunities. Write a paper for
the symposium. If your ideas are good, you do what you say you will do, and
you are a team player, sooner or later you will find yourself asked to
participate at higher and higher levels. Listen, I own stock in Ford, drive
three different Ford vehicles, but I know that I'm not going to get to
design the next F150 just because I had a comment on an email list. I'm not
trying to be flippant, I just am pointing out that you have to actively
prove yourself to be part of that level of volunteering for AMSAT. I didn't
go from suggesting ideas on the -bb right to the BOD or a VP slot. I busted
tail at hamfests for years, hawking books and t-shirts and doing the Arrow
dance. We always need active Area Coordinators. I didn't like what I saw
happening with the first version of the Echo Ops group, and got volunteered
after showing up at a BOD meeting and making a strong argument for a better
way. For two years I helped with scheduling and events, and when Mike
resigned I was asked to do the job of VP Ops. I did that for a time before
deciding to run for the BOD. I've picked up other responsibilities here and
there when no one else would do them or when I was the best qualified (I
think that's happened once!). That is how you make things happen in AMSAT,
and that is the type of volunteers we need more of.
Nothing in AMSAT is well hid. Something may be lost from time to time, but
never hid. To be hid means it was done intentionally. Sometimes there just
isn't enough volunteers to go around.
Enough for tonight. I hope I've managed to express at least some of my views
on the topic. What I've said may not match up 100% with AMSAT policy, but
there it is.
73, Drew KO4MA
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 22:37:04 -0500
From: Rocky Jones <orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Trolls on the -bb
To: <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>, Amsat BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <COL106-W1FB76198472EC58CEEC17D6F00@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Andrew...come back from a few days on "the boat" and here is this.
I have to tell you that this is either one of the most "hubris" filled
missives I have read or you are suffering from a bad case of volunteer burnout
(see last years Texas Monthly Bum steer issue where they go through the stages
of burnout). Maybe it is both of them...
As best I can tell your missive boils down to three categories.
1. If someone ask questions or doesnt accept my answers on their face then
they are being sarcastic or a troll or their question isnt legitimate.
2. If I (or the rest of the volunteers) stop volunteering then the entire
organization turns to crap.
3. While we have had some bad things happen some due to serious errors...we
alone have learned the lessons so we are invaluable.
You really should stop volunteering or even working for money because unless
you are Barrack Obama (or George Bush before him) there are few jobs where
almost everything one does is not picked apart" by the rest of the
folks...particularly when one is underperforming. (see Dick Cheney's response
to no WMD). My real job is testing the airplanes people like you sit back in
comfort and ride in and I can assure you that during such an effort the
"kibbitzing" from the audience is fairly high.
If you are volunteering at an organization then you are doing it for the
members of the organization and about the worst thing one can do, is minimize
the input of those members.
As for there being no volunteers unless "you" (generic) do it...lol
When I left on my last assignment there was a guy at our church (lets call him
Jim) who was the ultimate volunteer. He started managing the coffee between
sunday school and church and by the time I left a few years ago, he was doing
everything from managing the Communion to the parking volunteers..he even had
his own little office. The line from everyone was "If Jim doesnt do it, who
will?"
While I was gone we had a minister change and the new person tired pretty
quickly of Jim...and pretty much reduced his role back to the "coffee stand".
Jim quit even that. Odd, there are other people who volunteer for every
single duty and it actually runs a lot better because Jim was pretty much
stifling new blood.
I've never got a straight answer from anyone as to how the Suitsat 2
deployment was missed and why. I have friends in station ops at JSC...I'll
bet you money that the effort got so complex that it just missed the dates. I
will find out! I know even thinking that is trolling!
LOL
Robert WB5MZO
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 22:49:18 -0500
From: Rocky Jones <orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: please be positive
To: <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>, <kd1pe.1@xxxxx.xxx>, Amsat BB
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <COL106-W37FF088A9773C28A8D905DD6F00@xxx.xxx>
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Until they find and pay for a launch, they don't have a
viable HEO program either. Unfortunately, and this is my opinion, I believe
the size and shape of that HEO severely restricts how it can get to orbit.
I'm not criticizing the German effort, I support it. I merely am pointing
out a problem that we must avoid. We do indeed learn as we go.
Andrew, it all depends on how you define "Program".
If you want to build a homebuilt airplane and have all the drawings and
schematics/plans etc...then you could say "I have a program"...
on the other hand if you have a 90 percent built airplane in your
garage...well
I am quite sure the only way for P3E to get to orbit is Ariane. That is also
the mechanism through which the money is going to come.
If suitsat 2 is any indication, if Elon Musk told Amsat tomorrow you could
have space on his Falcon 9, probably couldnt make it with Amsat's
record.
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 23:38:19 -0700
From: "D. Craig Fox" <DFox@xxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: RE - iPod tracking software.
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID:
<A8E6E57AFA652D419A823F42AD6ACBDE02EB9CAE@xxxxxxxxx.xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Greetings all. I just downloaded "Satellite Tracker" from the iphone app store
for free. In spite of a number of less than glowing reviews ("it crashes") I
was pleasantly surprised at how good this actually works. Very intuitive and
easy to use with handheld operations or just to pull out and check status of
only the sats one is interested in-including visible sats. Oh, and it never
crashed. Does real time tracking with lots of variables.
Those looking for a free iphone sat tracking app should give it a try.
73s
Craig
N6RSX
AMSAT 36607
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxxxx
Behalf Of laura halliday
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 8:44 AM
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: RE - iPod tracking software.
I encourage people to develop open source applications for this and other
functions. At first it was impossible to do so on iPhone/iPod Touch and not
violate the Apple developer agreement, but they have since revised it.
If you jailbreak and use the open toolchain, you can do whatever you want.
Celestial is slick for playing media files, but you have to use AudioQueue for
sample-level audio synthesis (e.g. Morse, PSK31). Ugh.
Developer access (which you need to develop apps and run them on a real
device) costs money, but it's pretty nominal, and Apple give basic support to
anybody who asks nicely. Be advised that the SDK downloads are huge, and take
a while even over fast connections.
Laura Halliday VE7LDH "Que les nuages soient notre
Grid: CN89mg pied a terre..."
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 04:15:08 -0400
From: "Daniel Schultz" <n8fgv@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: please be positive
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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If you think the web site can be better maintained then step forward and offer
to maintain it.
If you think the Board could do a better job of running Amsat then put your
name up for the next election.
If we could capture all of the hot air that has been exhausted here in the
past couple of weeks, we could use it to propel a satellite into HEO. Use your
energy more productively, find something that needs to be done and start doing
it.
Dan Schultz N8FGV
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 05:43:43 -0500
From: "nick" <quadpugh@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Trolls on the -bb
To: "'Dave Guimont'" <dguimon1@xxx.xx.xxx>, "'Andrew Glasbrenner'"
<glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Dave got it right. The silent majority are your fans me included
So A big at a boy for you Drew and thanks
nick
>People often ask me why more of the AMSAT leadership doesn't participate on
>the AMSAT-BB. I think that over the last few weeks we have seen ample
reason
>why. We've been accused of stupidity, malfeasance, sloth, and called out at
>every opportunity. I've about had it with the trolling and the bickering
and
>the internet commandos cruising for reactions. They've caused it to cease
>being fun or even interesting to participate in this email list.
>
Please hang in there, Drew...for every one of the idiot whiners,
there are probably several hundred of us that deplore them, but
they'll dry up and blow away, just like a cloud of bad gas!!
This has had many a repeat performance in the past, and the names
always change....
73, Dave, WB6LLO
dguimon1@xxx.xx.xxx
Disagree: I learn....
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 07:32:39 -0400
From: John Price <n4qwf1@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Trolls on the -bb
To: nick <quadpugh@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID:
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Gee, a voice of reason. How refreshing! I thought there was none left
to be heard. Drew for Gods sake don't get discouraged. Amsat needs
folks like you.
Keep up the good work. 73's << John
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 6:43 AM, nick<quadpugh@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> Dave got it right. The silent majority are your fans me included
>
> So A big at a boy for you Drew and thanks
>
> nick
>
>
>>People often ask me why more of the AMSAT leadership doesn't participate on
>>the AMSAT-BB. I think that over the last few weeks we have seen ample
> reason
>>why. We've been accused of stupidity, malfeasance, sloth, and called out at
>>every opportunity. I've about had it with the trolling and the bickering
> and
>>the internet commandos cruising for reactions. They've caused it to cease
>>being fun or even interesting to participate in this email list.
>>
>
> Please hang in there, Drew...for every one of the idiot whiners,
> there are probably several hundred of us that deplore them, but
> they'll dry up and blow away, just like a cloud of bad gas!!
>
> This has had many a repeat performance in the past, and the names
> always change....
>
>
>
>
> ? ? ? ? ? ?73, Dave, WB6LLO
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?dguimon1@xxx.xx.xxx
>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Disagree: I learn....
>
>
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 06:34:09 -0500
From: Rocky Jones <orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Trolls on the -bb
To: <quadpugh@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, <dguimon1@xxx.xx.xxx>,
<glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: Amsat BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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Nick...nice thing about a silent majority...it can be defined at will Robert
WB5ZO
> From: quadpugh@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
> To: dguimon1@xxx.xx.xxxx glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx
> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 05:43:43 -0500
> CC: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Trolls on the -bb
>
> Dave got it right. The silent majority are your fans me included
>
> So A big at a boy for you Drew and thanks
>
> nick
>
>
> >People often ask me why more of the AMSAT leadership doesn't participate on
> >the AMSAT-BB. I think that over the last few weeks we have seen ample
> reason
> >why. We've been accused of stupidity, malfeasance, sloth, and called out at
> >every opportunity. I've about had it with the trolling and the bickering
> and
> >the internet commandos cruising for reactions. They've caused it to cease
> >being fun or even interesting to participate in this email list.
> >
>
> Please hang in there, Drew...for every one of the idiot whiners,
> there are probably several hundred of us that deplore them, but
> they'll dry up and blow away, just like a cloud of bad gas!!
>
> This has had many a repeat performance in the past, and the names
> always change....
>
>
>
>
> 73, Dave, WB6LLO
> dguimon1@xxx.xx.xxx
>
> Disagree: I learn....
>
>
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 08:55:02 -0400
From: "Mark L. Hammond" <marklhammond@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Trolls on the -bb
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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It would seem that folks that vote in our BOD elections certainly not
are silent. Let's see how the current (and future!) elections turn
out. Then we'll see what the "silent majority" thinks. Or at least
the majority--which will tell us something, won't it? I think the
results will help to define the silent majority. Oh wait--then
they're not silent. Oh, that's right. The only silent ones are the
ones not voting.
And if you don't like the current candidates, there is no one to blame
but one's self.
I will now publicly state my personal thanks to Gould WA4SXM and Drew
KO4MA for all that you have done, are doing, and will do for AMSAT and
our hobby. Thanks! :)
73,
Mark N8MH
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Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Trolls on the -bb
From: Rocky Jones <orbitjet@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 06:34:09 -0500
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Nick...nice thing about a silent majority...it can be defined at will Robert
WB5ZO
> From: quadpugh@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
> To: dguimon1@xxx.xx.xxxx glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx
> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 05:43:43 -0500
> CC: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Trolls on the -bb
>
> Dave got it right. The silent majority are your fans me included
>
> So A big at a boy for you Drew and thanks
>
> nick
>
>
> >People often ask me why more of the AMSAT leadership doesn't participate on
> >the AMSAT-BB. I think that over the last few weeks we have seen ample
> reason
> >why. We've been accused of stupidity, malfeasance, sloth, and called out at
> >every opportunity. I've about had it with the trolling and the bickering
> and
> >the internet commandos cruising for reactions. They've caused it to cease
> >being fun or even interesting to participate in this email list.
> >
>
> Please hang in there, Drew...for every one of the idiot whiners,
> there are probably several hundred of us that deplore them, but
> they'll dry up and blow away, just like a cloud of bad gas!!
>
> This has had many a repeat performance in the past, and the names
> always change....
>
>
>
>
> 73, Dave, WB6LLO
> dguimon1@xxx.xx.xxx
>
> Disagree: I learn....
>
>
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 09:00:00 -0400
From: "Randy" <swartr@xxxxx.xx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] G5500 Rotor mounting
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <001b01ca2bcd$48066870$0301a8c0@xxxx>
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Question.. Rotor is on order along with the FT-897D
I know I should mount the rotor in a tower with a thrust plate
I think its called. But don't have one .
I only have a 2 meter and 440mhz yagi to mount ooon it ..
Will that be a problem .. Or is it mostly when its loaded
Up to near the max? or one of those faster wear and tear
Things no matter what?
Randy - N2CUA
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 09:01:04 -0400
From: "Randy" <RSwart1@xxxxx.xx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Another G5500 Question
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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Question.. Rotor is on order along with the FT-897D I know I should mount
the rotor in a tower with a thrust plate I think its called. But don't have
one .
I only have a 2 meter and 440mhz yagi to mount ooon it ..
Will that be a problem .. Or is it mostly when its loaded Up to near the
max? or one of those faster wear and tear Things no matter what? Oh .. And
3rd party controllers to interface to the computer.??
Are they all so darn expensive?
Randy - N2CUA
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 09:20:51 -0500
From: "Lowell White" <whiteld@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Another G5500 Question
To: <RSwart1@xxxxx.xx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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Hi Randy,
I'm glad to see you doing this. Here are a couple tips:
-Yes, a mounting plate allows the rotor to sit inside the tower and torque
against the legs of the tower. Usually they're a flat, triangular plate with
U-bolts to connect to the tower legs. A cut-out on the bottom allows for cable
passage and holes for bolting the rotor to the plate.
-A thrust bearing can be used at the top of the tower segment. It attaches
both to the mast (coming up through the top from the rotor to the antenna boom
/ elevation rotor) and to the tower. The bearing frees the rotor from directly
supporting the weight of the antennas / boom / elevation rotor while allowing
the (azimuth) rotor to turn the asembly with ease.
-For a simple assembly of shorter 2M / 432 antennas the thrust bearing is
optional but using one can indeed extend the life of the azimuth rotor (it's
bearings, in particular, and lesser so, it's motor).
-I'll let someone else address the controller interfaces... am learning more
about them myself. :-)
-If you are using only an azimuth rotor you can, for the most part, get by
with your antennas "fixed" at a 15 degree elevation for most uses.
73
Lowell
K9LDW
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Received: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 08:00:36 AM CDT
From: "Randy" <RSwart1@xxxxx.xx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Another G5500 Question
> Question.. Rotor is on order along with the FT-897D I know I should mount
> the rotor in a tower with a thrust plate I think its called. But don't
have
> one .
> I only have a 2 meter and 440mhz yagi to mount ooon it ..
> Will that be a problem .. Or is it mostly when its loaded Up to near the
> max? or one of those faster wear and tear Things no matter what? Oh .. And
> 3rd party controllers to interface to the computer.??
> Are they all so darn expensive?
>
> Randy - N2CUA
>
>
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 16:30:08 +0200
From: "PE0SAT" <pe0sat@xxxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Trolls on the -bb / Being positive
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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@xxx
Lets think in solutions and not in problems.
If you see a problem, then be the first to come with a possible solution.
As an example the AMSAT website:
Outdated information:
Make a wiki, and let fellow amateurs update the information.
This could also solve to problem of language, I also experience
the fact that amateurs where english is there native language
use a sentence structure that is difficult to understand.
(I use for example http://translate.google.com/ to try and find out was is
being said. But it would be nice that people that write these sentences
keep this in mind. I hope that amsat is not just for the native english
speaking amateurs.)
It can also ensure that this website supports multiple languages,
because this can be done by all fellow amateurs world wide.
Come on! lets hear those solutions and not the problems.
Lets make it a better place and not worse.
73's Jan - PE0SAT
--
With regards PE0SAT
Internet web-page http://www.ham.vgnet.nl/
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 11:05:12 -0400
From: "Frank H. Bauer" <ka3hdo@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Symposium Breaking News: Low Cost Airfares
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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All,
The 2009 AMSAT Symposium is rapidly approaching! And we hope you can join
us..especially given that there are some low-cost airfares out there for
those of us in the US.
We have an outstanding venue this year at the Four Points Sheraton at the
BWI Airport. Your symposium committee recently did a walkthrough of this
facility. The accommodations and meeting rooms are superb. I do a lot of
traveling and I must say that the rooms are absolutely beautiful. You will
definitely get a substantial bang for your buck (or Euro, etc) at this
symposium. And planned 40th Anniversary celebratory events will be truly
memorable.
And to make things even better, Southwest Airlines has a phenomenal
Nationwide (US) fall sale. $59-109 one-way airfares are available to BWI
until Sept 3. And remember, with Southwest, there are no baggage fees.
So we'd love to see you in "Charm City"-Baltimore Maryland..for the
symposium presentations, 40th anniversary celebrations, poster sessions, and
BoD meeting.
And don't forget to submit a symposium paper to Dan Schultz, N8FGV, ASAP!!
Frank Bauer, KA3HDO, and Janet Bauer
2009 Symposium Co-Chairs
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 08:05:41 -0700
From: Ron Miles <conimicut@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: G5500 Rotor Mounting
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Hi Randy:
Just to pass on an idea for putting together a satellite tracking antenna
tower, you can see how I've mounted my G5500 if you check qrz.com for my
call. The G5500 az rotor sits on a shelf plate below the top plate that is
fitted with a "thrust bearing". This is all assembled to a Rohn 10 foot top
section tower bolted to a tilt-over base plate. The boom is 10 foot by 1/4
inch thick. The 2.4GHz dish and 23cm Yagi are mounted inboard from 2m and
440 Yagi's. Also notice the ring installed around the top plate. This is to
prevent cables from snagging corners of the tower during 360 degree rotation
of the antenna. Other antenna and rotor mounts will vary.
Hope that helps. 73,
Ron
n6paa
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