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Today's Topics:
1. 1.2ghz Gear is sold... (John Henderson N4NAB)
2. Quite right Laura. (john hackett)
3. Quite right Laura. (John Hackett)
4. Trolls on the -bb (Andrew Glasbrenner)
5. please be positive (OZ1MY)
6. AO-51 l/u mode (Jeff KB2M)
7. Re: please be positive (Jack K.)
8. Re: please be positive (Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF)
9. Re: please be positive (Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF)
10. Re: Trolls on the -bb (Dave Guimont)
11. My thoughts as somone pretty new to AMSAT (racer5039)
12. Re: My thoughts as somone pretty new to AMSAT (Andrew Glasbrenner)
13. Re: Trolls on the -bb (Rick - WA4NVM)
14. Re: 1.2 ghz antenna? (Norman W Osborne)
15. Re: My thoughts as somone pretty new to AMSAT (Glen Zook)
16. AMSAT Journal (Ed Long)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 15:30:51 -0400
From: "John Henderson N4NAB" <jah@xx.xx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] 1.2ghz Gear is sold...
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <011701ca2b3a$b7742460$265c6d20$@xx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
1.2ghz Gear is sold...
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 23:03:59 +0200
From: john hackett <la2qaa@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Quite right Laura.
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <BAY144-W22BC9DAC22717269ED4A0581F10@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
I agree Laura,
Incorrect information is not a 'bug'.
For what it's worth, there were 7 replies in yesterday's mailbox commenting on
the somewhat crass
reply from the b.o.d. member concerned - good job they didn't see the private!
one ... and just one, Gentleman commenting on tearing things down (???) -
based on an obvious incorrect opinion.
I also note that Mr Glasbrenner referred he whom enquired about AO-7's status,
to the D.Carr page.
Wasn't that rather inopportune after making such a fuss about the Amsat page
being updated?.
Please note that I *DIDN'T* criticise either an American, nor the Amsat
organisation - (as Mr Glasbrenner accused me of doing in - (his words) ...
"every time he saw my callsign" ... (in his mail to me direct).
For those old enough to remember, there are many instances where I've praised
Americans - (operating proceedure) and the Amsat organisation (full of clever,
and often very helpful indivuduals). My friends Stateside are too numerous to
mention individually but they know who they are.
I'd hardly call Bill Tynan's plaque to LA2QAA as proof of concept of my
criticising Americans or the Amsat organisation - however, if a current member
of the b.o.d. gets his rocks off by a tantrum ... good luck! to him, I've
faced slightly more wrath than that.
The the 'tearing down' Gentleman ... if you find 6 days of incorrect
information on your organisation's
website as acceptable, and the reaction shown for pointing it out, fine.
Personally, like I mentioned in
my original mail, a couple of days I find acceptable, due to various
commitments etc - but 6 days is, in
my personal opinion rather lax - volunteer or not.
That Mr Glasbrenner was a good deal rattier direct, was probably due to him
confusing satire with
criticism on a previous occasion ... and no, eventual satire has *NEVER* been
directed at an individual.
That, as they say - is it. I felt I needed to justify myself for anyone 'just
wondering' where all that temper
came from.
I apologise for the bandwidth if you think it's misused.
In my opinion, no permanent harm done. Worse things happen at sea!.
73 John. LA2QAA. <archie.hackett@xxxxxxx.xxx>
..............................................................................
.........................................
> From: marsgal42@xxxxxxx.xxx
> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 08:31:29 -0700
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Staus? ... come back next week!
>
>
> I just put my software testing hat on, went to the offending web page, and
noted that while there is a link to report bugs, there is no link to report
outdated information. While this *is* an option when you follow the report a
bug link, my idea of a bug on a web page is wonky layout on Safari (a common
problem, alas...) or a graphic that doesn't load. Outdated information is not
a bug.
>
> Laura Halliday VE7LDH "Que les nuages soient notre
> Grid: CN89mg pied a terre..."
> ICBM: 49 16.05 N 122 56.92 W - Hospital/Shafte
>
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 23:12:13 +0200
From: John Hackett <archie.hackett@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Quite right Laura.
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <COL123-W465261F298ACD93849208691F10@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
From: la2qaa@xxxxxxx.xxx
To: archie.hackett@xxxxxxx.xxx
Subject: FW: Quite right Laura.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 23:05:20 +0200
I agree Laura,
Incorrect information is not a 'bug'.
For what it's worth, there were 7 replies in yesterday's mailbox commenting on
the somewhat crass
reply from the b.o.d. member concerned - good job they didn't see the private!
one ... and just one, Gentleman commenting on tearing things down (???) -
based on an obvious incorrect opinion.
I also note that Mr Glasbrenner referred he whom enquired about AO-7's status,
to the D.Carr page.
Wasn't that rather inopportune after making such a fuss about the Amsat page
being updated?.
Please note that I *DIDN'T* criticise either an American, nor the Amsat
organisation - (as Mr Glasbrenner accused me of doing in - (his words) ...
"every time he saw my callsign" ... (in his mail to me direct).
For those old enough to remember, there are many instances where I've praised
Americans - (operating proceedure) and the Amsat organisation (full of clever,
and often very helpful indivuduals). My friends Stateside are too numerous to
mention individually but they know who they are.
I'd hardly call Bill Tynan's plaque to LA2QAA as proof of concept of my
criticising Americans or the Amsat organisation - however, if a current member
of the b.o.d. gets his rocks off by a tantrum ... good luck! to him, I've
faced slightly more wrath than that.
The the 'tearing down' Gentleman ... if you find 6 days of incorrect
information on your organisation's
website as acceptable, and the reaction shown for pointing it out, fine.
Personally, like I mentioned in
my original mail, a couple of days I find acceptable, due to various
commitments etc - but 6 days is, in
my personal opinion rather lax - volunteer or not.
That Mr Glasbrenner was a good deal rattier direct, was probably due to him
confusing satire with
criticism on a previous occasion ... and no, eventual satire has *NEVER* been
directed at an individual.
That, as they say - is it. I felt I needed to justify myself for anyone 'just
wondering' where all that temper
came from.
I apologise for the bandwidth if you think it's misused.
In my opinion, no permanent harm done. Worse things happen at sea!.
73 John. LA2QAA. <archie.hackett@xxxxxxx.xxx>
..............................................................................
.........................................
> From: marsgal42@xxxxxxx.xxx
> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 08:31:29 -0700
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Staus? ... come back next week!
>
>
> I just put my software testing hat on, went to the offending web page, and
noted that while there is a link to report bugs, there is no link to report
outdated information. While this *is* an option when you follow the report a
bug link, my idea of a bug on a web page is wonky layout on Safari (a common
problem, alas...) or a graphic that doesn't load. Outdated information is not
a bug.
>
> Laura Halliday VE7LDH "Que les nuages soient notre
> Grid: CN89mg pied a terre..."
> ICBM: 49 16.05 N 122 56.92 W - Hospital/Shafte
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Nouveau : connexion ? Messenger par MSN
> http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9677413
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 17:45:41 -0400
From: "Andrew Glasbrenner" <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Trolls on the -bb
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <AEEC85E54B604EC8BEBCC1AC52026655@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
People often ask me why more of the AMSAT leadership doesn't participate on
the AMSAT-BB. I think that over the last few weeks we have seen ample reason
why. We've been accused of stupidity, malfeasance, sloth, and called out at
every opportunity. I've about had it with the trolling and the bickering and
the internet commandos cruising for reactions. They've caused it to cease
being fun or even interesting to participate in this email list.
I'd like each and every one of you to consider how you'd feel if you gave
several hours a day for free to an organization to only get sarcastic,
bitter criticism at your efforts in return? Sit back and think where the
organization would be today if all the current volunteers decided they'd
rather sit behind a keyboard and tear someone else's work down rather than
analyze telemetry, plan schedules, maintain webpages, solder circuit boards,
mail ballots, test batteries, process renewals, inquire about new
opportunities, mentor a beginner or a cubesat project, write an article,
schedule an ARISS QSO, etc? Next time you feel that urge to criticize or
even hurt AMSAT in public, remember that behind every thing AMSAT does is
someone who decided to volunteer rather than do something more selfish with
their time, and those folks have feelings and egos and frailties. Push them
too hard and you might find they pack their bags and leave.
I know AMSAT has had it's issues over it's long history, and we are all
disappointed that HEOs seem to be almost out of reach for us now. We are all
human and we all make mistakes, especially when it involves rocket engines,
building spacecraft on hobby store budgets, and getting all past our
benefactor launch agency trials and schedules. We have also learned from
our mistakes, and it is time to move ahead. Our officers and our BOD is
almost entirely different from just 5 years ago. I think if we can quit
flinging mud at each other for a few moments, you'll see that there are some
good things just around the corner for AMSAT, and those good things may lead
to great things. But we need your support and understanding, not your slings
and arrows. What have you done for your AMSAT lately?
If a member has a problem with or suggestion for how a volunteer is doing
their job, contact them through the website regardless of what your
interpretation of "bug" is, or directly via email or even a phone call. Be
prepared to back up your complaint with an offer of help. Sometimes it will
work, and sometime it won't. But please, for the sake of the organization,
keep the sarcasm, the bitter jabs, and the trolling and bickering off
the -bb.
73, Drew KO4MA
lowly AMSAT servant
------------------------------
Message: 5
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 00:20:40 +0200
From: "OZ1MY" <oz1my@xxxxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] please be positive
To: "Andrew Glasbrenner" <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>,
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <000a01ca2b52$706ec260$6401a8c0@xxxxxx.xx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hi -bb,
I do not know if I speak for a large number of receivers
from the amsat - bb - but it is sometimes difficult to
read and understand the "finer" details of such a conversation as
has taken place over the last days.
That is when our first language is not English/American.
It started with John's e-mail, which was not easy to understand in any
other way than a large criticism of the way AMSAT is run these days.
May be it looks different for people with a better mastering of English
- but to me it appeared very negative and non constructive.
If there are mistakes on the homepage - why not just point that out, and
that is it ?
Criticism can be positive and constructive and lead to improvements for the
better of AMSAT worldwide - but unfortunately also to the opposite.
Please (all) try to be constructive and positive. I think most of us will
appreciate that :-)
Hope this e-mail is understandable. My native language is Danish.
73 OZ1MY
Ib
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 18:26:53 -0400
From: "Jeff KB2M" <kb2m@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-51 l/u mode
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <004201ca2b53$4f563490$ee029db0$@xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
I'm running the same config file I always use in SATpc32 with l/u mode on
AO-51 and for some reason the u/l has gone up by 3 or 4k. Anyone else notice
this?
73 Jeff kb2m
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:39:58 -0600
From: "Jack K." <kd1pe.1@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: please be positive
To: "OZ1MY" <oz1my@xxxxxx.xx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <22BFDA1960EE4FABB69CD168AE4F8EF2@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
I could not agree with you more...
There is constructive and destructive criticism. The problem I have seen or
more precisely - read. Is that some people seem to lump them both together
and don't want to read any criticism unless of course it blends in with
their own bias.
To my way of thinking, if a person have a complaint, it should be aired and
in all fairness investigated and if need be, changes made. All to often I
have read on this BBS statements that lead me to believe - or to more
properly state my feelings - that unless you are one of the elitist few,
then your complaints will often be denigrated or you ~ as the author ~ will
be politely told you have no idea of what you speak, which usually in the
long run is the root of the problem. The writer does not know and the
information is not readily at hand.
I will give you an example... The only energies I see being spent at this
time and projected into the future are for more LEOS of one kind or another.
The argument I have seen advanced is that this is because it is all we can
do... It would seem to me there would be a HEO project moving along (under
design at least) against the day that this becomes a possibility. However
whenever someone mentions a HEO, rather than being encouraged to join a
discussion group, a plans and engineering group or something of this ilk, I
see the denigration begin. To me it is this short sighted and to my way of
thinking, stifling mindset that is AMSATS largest shortcoming and perhaps
even its downfall. Perhaps there is a planning group for a HEO, but if so,
it is well hid.
DE KD1PE
----- Original Message -----
From: "OZ1MY" <oz1my@xxxxxx.xx>
To: "Andrew Glasbrenner" <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>; <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 4:20 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] please be positive
> Hi -bb,
> I do not know if I speak for a large number of receivers
> from the amsat - bb - but it is sometimes difficult to
> read and understand the "finer" details of such a conversation as
> has taken place over the last days.
> That is when our first language is not English/American.
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 22:56:05 +0000
From: Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF <nigel@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: please be positive
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4A9DA685.9070606@xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
And your English far better than most peoples mastery of ANY other language
used here.
OZ1MY wrote:
>
> Hope this e-mail is understandable. My native language is Danish.
> 73 OZ1MY
--
Nigel A. Gunn, 1865 El Camino Drive, Xenia, OH 45385-1115, USA. tel +1 937
825 5032
Amateur Radio G8IFF W8IFF (was KC8NHF), e-mail nigel@xxxxx.xxx www
http://www.ngunn.net
Member of ARRL, GQRP #11396, QRPARCI #11644, SOC #548, Flying Pigs QRP Club
International #385,
Dayton ARA #2128, AMSAT-NA LM-1691, AMSAT-UK 0182, MKARS, ALC,
GCARES, XWARN.
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 22:58:42 +0000
From: Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF <nigel@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: please be positive
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4A9DA722.4010102@xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
The biggest problem is that a significant number or those here seem unable to
read AND UNDERSTAND what has been said
BEFORE thay open their mouths.
Jack K. wrote:
> I could not agree with you more...
>
> There is constructive and destructive criticism. The problem I have seen or
> more precisely
--
Nigel A. Gunn, 1865 El Camino Drive, Xenia, OH 45385-1115, USA. tel +1 937
825 5032
Amateur Radio G8IFF W8IFF (was KC8NHF), e-mail nigel@xxxxx.xxx www
http://www.ngunn.net
Member of ARRL, GQRP #11396, QRPARCI #11644, SOC #548, Flying Pigs QRP Club
International #385,
Dayton ARA #2128, AMSAT-NA LM-1691, AMSAT-UK 0182, MKARS, ALC,
GCARES, XWARN.
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 16:30:22 -0700
From: Dave Guimont <dguimon1@xxx.xx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Trolls on the -bb
To: "Andrew Glasbrenner" <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <20090901233024222.XXKE16127@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>People often ask me why more of the AMSAT leadership doesn't participate on
>the AMSAT-BB. I think that over the last few weeks we have seen ample reason
>why. We've been accused of stupidity, malfeasance, sloth, and called out at
>every opportunity. I've about had it with the trolling and the bickering and
>the internet commandos cruising for reactions. They've caused it to cease
>being fun or even interesting to participate in this email list.
>
Please hang in there, Drew...for every one of the idiot whiners,
there are probably several hundred of us that deplore them, but
they'll dry up and blow away, just like a cloud of bad gas!!
This has had many a repeat performance in the past, and the names
always change....
73, Dave, WB6LLO
dguimon1@xxx.xx.xxx
Disagree: I learn....
Pulling for P3E...
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 18:56:54 -0500
From: "racer5039" <racer5039@x.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] My thoughts as somone pretty new to AMSAT
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP26F45EE9A30B0D5642C9F8ACF10@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
I am pretty new to AMSAT so I can't speak to the what and why of the B.O.D. or
the operation of AMSAT.
What I will speak of is what I found when I first started looking at the
AMSAT site.
First thing I found was a lot of the information was very old and out of date.
As someone new to the mode I really thought hard if I wanted to send money to
an org. or CORP. that wasn't keeping things up to date.
With the said. I would also like to offer some thoughts.
My JA friends may look at this as I do. If there are parts of the web site
that take up too much time or effort to keep up, It is "Mooda", waste. Remove
it so that it isn't giving the new onlooker the wrong idea of what to expect.
I fully understand that to run something like AMSAT take's a lot of time. But
you must also think of the image that old, out of date, data sends to other
like me.
There are a lot of things on the web site that are no longer of use to the
here and now.
If I have thrown myself under the bus, so be it.
I only speak of what I know.
Marv.
N0FJP
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 20:06:31 -0400
From: "Andrew Glasbrenner" <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: My thoughts as somone pretty new to AMSAT
To: "racer5039" <racer5039@x.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <4FFC60682FD243A8A415562F67DEBFD5@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
> My JA friends may look at this as I do. If there are parts of the web site
> that take up too much time or effort to keep up, It is "Mooda", waste.
> Remove it so that it isn't giving the new onlooker the wrong idea of what
> to expect.
Wise words, and exactly what I've suggested be done several times in the
past.
AMSAT is SO much more than a webpage, but that's what everyone keys on.
73, Drew KO4MA
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 19:08:24 -0500
From: "Rick - WA4NVM" <wa4nvm@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Trolls on the -bb
To: "Andrew Glasbrenner" <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>,
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <DC34BFA3C5784CADB27A0A981EAE5024@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
Drew................ well said!
I have read all the comments the last few weeks and wonder to myself "the
biggest grippers on the BB, I have never even heard on a satellite in the
last 18 months".
(I have kept a spread sheet for over 18 months - 1350+ entries of all the
operators heard)
I often remember the phrase "Praise in public, criticize in private."
And..... put your
money where your mouth is! Folks..... they are volunteers... What have you
done to
make things better? LEO, HEO, hey, launch a pie pan to bounce a signal
off.... I'll be a
happy camper. Let's move forward and work to get something in space.
My two cents,
Rick - WA4NVM, LM 1339
> People often ask me why more of the AMSAT leadership doesn't participate
> on
> the AMSAT-BB. I think that over the last few weeks we have seen ample
> reason
> why. We've been accused of stupidity, malfeasance, sloth, and called out
> at
> every opportunity. I've about had it with the trolling and the bickering
> and
> the internet commandos cruising for reactions. They've caused it to cease
> being fun or even interesting to participate in this email list.
>
> I'd like each and every one of you to consider how you'd feel if you gave
> several hours a day for free to an organization to only get sarcastic,
> bitter criticism at your efforts in return? Sit back and think where the
> organization would be today if all the current volunteers decided they'd
> rather sit behind a keyboard and tear someone else's work down rather than
> analyze telemetry, plan schedules, maintain webpages, solder circuit
> boards,
> mail ballots, test batteries, process renewals, inquire about new
> opportunities, mentor a beginner or a cubesat project, write an article,
> schedule an ARISS QSO, etc? Next time you feel that urge to criticize or
> even hurt AMSAT in public, remember that behind every thing AMSAT does is
> someone who decided to volunteer rather than do something more selfish
> with
> their time, and those folks have feelings and egos and frailties. Push
> them
> too hard and you might find they pack their bags and leave.
>
> I know AMSAT has had it's issues over it's long history, and we are all
> disappointed that HEOs seem to be almost out of reach for us now. We are
> all
> human and we all make mistakes, especially when it involves rocket
> engines,
> building spacecraft on hobby store budgets, and getting all past our
> benefactor launch agency trials and schedules. We have also learned from
> our mistakes, and it is time to move ahead. Our officers and our BOD is
> almost entirely different from just 5 years ago. I think if we can quit
> flinging mud at each other for a few moments, you'll see that there are
> some
> good things just around the corner for AMSAT, and those good things may
> lead
> to great things. But we need your support and understanding, not your
> slings
> and arrows. What have you done for your AMSAT lately?
>
> If a member has a problem with or suggestion for how a volunteer is doing
> their job, contact them through the website regardless of what your
> interpretation of "bug" is, or directly via email or even a phone call. Be
> prepared to back up your complaint with an offer of help. Sometimes it
> will
> work, and sometime it won't. But please, for the sake of the organization,
> keep the sarcasm, the bitter jabs, and the trolling and bickering off
> the -bb.
>
> 73, Drew KO4MA
> lowly AMSAT servant
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 20:20:49 -0400
From: Norman W Osborne <ve3cje@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: 1.2 ghz antenna?
To: amsat-bb <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID:
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Thanks to all who left their comments and suggestions for mode "L".
73,
Norman
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Norman W Osborne <ve3cje@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> Hello to all,
> After reading some of the postings on the bbs discussing AO-51 1.2 ghz
> mode, I am wondering what
> antennas are being used, commercial and homebrew.
>
> 73,
> Norman
>
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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 17:31:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: Glen Zook <gzook@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: My thoughts as somone pretty new to AMSAT
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx racer5039 <racer5039@x.xxx>
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Being someone who has been a member of AMSAT since the 2nd month of the
formation of the group I can say that I definitely agree with N0FJP:
A couple of times recently I have tried to volunteer and, frankly, the website
does not take the information. Also, there is quite a bit of information that
is definitely outdated.
I am quite aware that a basically volunteer organization is at the mercy of
the members and, generally, there are only a very few members who are willing
to put forth any real effort. However, for an organization to really last
there has to be someone to take control of the various functions.
Unfortunately, the website seems not to be very high on anyone's priority
list.
Glen, K9STH
AMSAT 239/LM 463
Website: http://k9sth.com
--- On Tue, 9/1/09, racer5039 <racer5039@x.xxx> wrote:
I am pretty new to AMSAT so I can't speak to the what and why of the B.O.D. or
the operation of AMSAT. What I will speak of is what I found when I? first
started looking at the AMSAT site. First thing I found was a lot of the
information was very old and out of date. As someone new to the mode I really
thought hard if I wanted to send money to an org. or CORP. that wasn't keeping
things up to date. With the said. I would also like to offer some thoughts. My
JA friends may look at this as I do. If there are parts of the web site that
take up too much time or effort to keep up, It is "Mooda", waste. Remove it so
that it isn't giving the new onlooker the wrong idea of what to expect. I
fully understand that to run something like AMSAT take's a lot of time. But
you must also think of the image that old, out of date, data sends to other
like me. There are a lot of things on the web site that are no longer of use
to the here and now. If I have thrown myself
under the bus, so be it. I only speak of what I know.
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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 21:23:35 -0400
From: "Ed Long" <wa4swj@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Journal
To: "AMSAT-BB" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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Hi Gang,
Just letting you know that the July/August Journal was uploaded to the
printer's ftp site this past weekend. Again a slow trickle of articles slowed
down publication. It's a good issue with BoD minutes, some more history of
AMSAT (we're 40 you know) and other interesting articles on Field Day and a
portable antenna pointing system plus more. Hope you enjoy it and sorry for
the delay. I do have a great group helping me now with the Journal and they
are working hard to get more articles in so we can keep the Journal on
schedule. Look at the upper right of the front cover and you'll see who they
are. Thanks for your understanding and patience with all the delays!
A personal comment (so please bear with me or skip this if you want): I'll bet
you guys and gals didn't know this, but I've been the Journal editor now since
late 2003 (6 years) and I have never made a satellite contact on my own
equipment. You've never heard my voice on the satellites except once on
someone else's equipment at the Dayton Hamvention three years ago (thanks
Keith!). I did buy a nice dish and downconverter for S-band right before AO-40
went "tits up" (sorry - a British expression I learned a few years ago on one
of my many trips to England). It's too unwieldy to use with AO-51. Imagine my
disappointment. I have an Arrow and adequate radios and preamps, but my job as
a senior executive for my company keeps me busy and traveling with little time
for radio other than the Journal and some low band work occasionally. It
frosts me when I ask someone to write something for the Journal (and I've done
that a lot) and I'm told "I don't have time". Not much of an excuse guys and
gals. The point of this blather is if I, someone who has never made a
satellite contact, can volunteer for the organization why can't you do
something? Not being self-righteous here, but I think it's a good question.
Thinking about all this reminds me of an expression that came from the villain
in the movie "The Fifth Element" which was "If you want something done - do it
yourself!!". If you don't like something find a way to fix it somehow. I like
to think I fixed the Journal with its new look (now a few years old) and I've
been trying to get more technical content into it. After all, we're supposed
to be rocket scientists. Another example - have you seen what William
Leijenaar, PE1RAH, is doing all by himself? It's awesome! Check it out on
YouTube.
Quit talking and get busy!!!! Force someone to take you on as a volunteer by
persisting. Don't just write one e-mail and then give up. Many people are busy
like I am and can't always get back to you immediately. Wanna be a Web master?
I think we might have an opportunity here because I feel sure Rick is tired of
doing it (maybe I'm wrong). And so on ...... there's plenty to do. Wanna be VP
of Engineering? That's open too, although I would think the person that fills
those shoes would have to have some engineering experience. You get the idea.
Wishing you 73 and a somewhat bickering free evening,
Ed Long
WA4SWJ
Editor, The AMSAT Journal
Belleview, FL
(A volunteer - sorry just had to add that given the recent postings)
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