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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Best source for current satellite status (Mark Lunday)
2. ANS-235 AMSAT Weekly Bulletins (Lee McLamb)
3. Re: Orbitron-Wispdde (Greg D.)
4. Re: Don't Fly SuitSat2 to ISS (rebuttal) (Daniel Schultz)
5. Re: Best source for current satellite status (PE0SAT)
6. Re: lvb tracker circuit -- xtal? (Stefano Simonetti)
7. Re: Semi-remoting the controller for a Yaesu G5400 (i8cvs)
8. Re: New ICOM VHF / UHF / SHF Radio (i8cvs)
9. Re: New ICOM VHF / UHF / SHF Radio (Simon (HB9DRV))
10. Re: Don't Fly SuitSat2 to ISS (rebuttal) (Tim Lilley)
11. Re: New ICOM VHF / UHF / SHF Radio (Michael Baker)
12. Re: Don't Fly SuitSat2 to ISS (rebuttal) (Ken Ernandes)
13. Re: New ICOM VHF / UHF / SHF Radio (James Duffey)
14. Re: New ICOM VHF / UHF / SHF Radio (James Duffey)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 22:28:12 -0400
From: "Mark Lunday" <mlunday@xx.xx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Best source for current satellite status
To: <RSwart1@xxxxx.xx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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Randy, you could do SO 50 or AO 27. I will forward you the weekly bulletin
offline
Mark Lunday
WD4ELG
Hillsborough, NC - FM06kb
wd4elg@xxxx.xxx
http://wd4elg.net
http://wd4elg.blogspot.com
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Randy
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 10:00 PM
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Best source for current satellite status
Is the AMSAT status page the best source for ALL possible
Amateur radio satellites that we can access?
I got a new 440 yagi and cant find a satellite to test on ..
I know AO-51 would be good, but not in that mode untiul Monday.
And I heard that some of the older satellites only run off the solar array
So nitetime passes are unusable?
My capability here is only 2 meter / 70 cm FM. ( for now anyways. )
Thanks for help and input..
Randy
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 22:31:22 -0400
From: Lee McLamb <ku4os@xxx.xx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] ANS-235 AMSAT Weekly Bulletins
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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AMSAT NEWS SERVICE
ANS-235
ANS is a free, weekly, news and information service of AMSAT North America,
The
Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation. ANS reports on the activities of a
worldwide group of Amateur Radio operators who share an active interest in
designing, building, launching and communicating through analog and digital
Amateur Radio satellites.
Please send any amateur satellite news or reports to:
ans-editor@xxxxx.xxx
******************************************************************************
*************
* 2009 AMSAT Space Symposium and Annual General Meeting October 9-11 *
* Four Points Sheraton Hotel at the Baltimore
Washington Airport *
* Details - http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/symposium/2009/index.php *
******************************************************************************
**************
In this edition:
* SuitSat-2 Gets A New Name
* AMSAT Ballot Deadline Approaching
* Wallops Suborbital Launch With APRS
* ARISS Status - 17 August 2009
SB SAT @ AMSAT $ANS-235.01
SuitSat-2 Gets A New Name
AMSAT News Service Bulletin 235.01
From AMSAT HQ SILVER SPRING, MD.
August 23, 2009
To All RADIO AMATEURS
BID: $ANS-235.01
The SuitSat-2 project now has a new name to go with its new shape, ARISSat-1 .
Gaston Bertels, ON4WF, the ARISS Chairman announced the new name for the
satellite and project this week. The project team
is moving ahead using the same
hardware that was to fly in the Russian Orlan suit. The team is re-configuring
some of the modules to fit into the new structure being designed by Bob Davis,
KF4KSS and his team.
[ANS thanks Gould, WA4SXM, for the above information]
/EX
SB SAT @ AMSAT $ANS-235.02
AMSAT Ballot Deadline Approaching
AMSAT News Service Bulletin 235.02
From AMSAT HQ SILVER SPRING, MD.
August 23, 2009
To All RADIO AMATEURS
BID: $ANS-235.02
The deadline for returning the gold "corrected" ballot to the AMSAT office
is September 15th. If you need biographical information on the candidates,
it can be found on the AMSAT website.
[ANS thanks Martha for the above information]
/EX
SB SAT @ AMSAT $ANS-235.03
Wallops Suborbital Launch With APRS
AMSAT News Service Bulletin 235.03
From AMSAT HQ SILVER SPRING, MD.
August 23, 2009
To All RADIO AMATEURS
BID: $ANS-235.03
There will be a launch to 300+ km of an APRS payload on a
sounding rocket out of Wallops Island VA, this
fall. Bob Bruninga, WB4APR, says,
"I don't want to steal anyone's thunder, but they said I could give this
heads up". More details will be posted when available.
It is only 300 milliiwatts and will be on the National APRS
frequency 144.39 to make sure everyone can track it. The total
mission duration is on the order of 10 minutes from launch to
re-entry.
AMSAT stations with beams in the mid-Atlantic states will be
valuable.
APRS stations with Igates with beams will be even better so the
student builders half way across the country can get their
packets live via the APRS-IS (internet)...
OMNI antennas in quiet locations should be able to hear the
packets direct, so nearby Igates with omni's probably need no
enhancement.
[ANS thanks Bob, WB4APR, for the above information]
/EX
SB SAT @ AMSAT $ANS-235.04
ARISS Status - 17 August 2009
AMSAT News Service Bulletin 235.04
From AMSAT HQ SILVER SPRING, MD.
August 23, 2009
To All RADIO AMATEURS
BID: $ANS-235.04
1. Upcoming School Contacts
An Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) contact has been
approved for Tension Woods College in Mount Gambier, South Australia. The
contact is scheduled for Monday, August 24 at 07:19 UTC via telebridge station
W6DUE in Maryland. The contact will be integrated into the curriculum?s
astronomy and physics units through participation in hands-on activities.
An Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) contact has been
scheduled for Volkssterrenwacht Urania in Hove, Antwerp, Belgium on Monday,
August 24 at 10:22 UTC via telebridge station W6SRJ in California, assuming
STS-128 launches on August 24. (If STS-128 is delayed, the contact will be
rescheduled for Monday, August 24 at 11:30 UTC
through telebridge station VK4KHZ
in Australia.) Urania is a public observatory that raises public awareness of
astronomy, meteorology and astronautics. A range of activities and services
are
available: lessons for beginners and the experienced, guided tours of the
observatory, an extended documentation center, various publications,
stargazing
evenings, conferences, Urania Mobile (Flanders' first mobile observatory) and
the astroshop. This "Space Talk" will boost activities at the start of the new
season.
2. ARISS Contact Between Robert Thirsk and Ottawa Sports Camp
On Tuesday, August 11, an Amateur Radio on the International Space Station
(ARISS) contact was held between Canadian Space Agency (CSA) Astronaut Robert
Thirsk, VA3CSA and Ottawa South United Sports Camp held at the Walter Baker
Sports Centre in Ontario, Canada. Telebridge station W6SRJ in California
facilitated the connection. All 18 questions prepared for the contact were
answered with enough time left over for one additional question. Approximately
130 people attended the event. The audio was fed into the EchoLink AMSAT and
JK1ZRW conference room servers and the IRLP (Internet Radio Linking Project)
Discovery Reflector 9010.
3. ARISS Contact with Euro Space Center, Night of Stars Event
On Thursday, August 13, approximately 200 people attending the Euro Space
Center, Night of Stars Event in Transinne,
Belgium gathered for an Amateur Radio
on the International Space Station (ARISS)
contact. Frank DeWinne, ON1DWN on the
ISS participated in the contact, answering 20 questions. Telebridge station
W6SRJ in California assisted with the contact. The audio was fed into the
EchoLink AMSAT and JK1ZRW conference room servers and the IRLP (Internet Radio
Linking Project) Discovery Reflector 9010.
4. ARISS Promoted at Quebec Hamfest
On August 1, Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) Canadian
Delegate Maurice-Andr? Vigneault set up an ARISS display and satellite
communication demonstration station at the Quebec City Hamfest in nearby
St-Romuald. ARISS Delegate Daniel Lamoureux also participated in the Hamfest.
Pamphlets explaining the purpose of ARISS and AMSAT (Radio Amateur Satellite
Corporation) were handed out. The Canadian Space Agency (CSA) also provided
handouts, stickers and decals. The delegates will next visit the Ottawa
Hamfest
in nearby Carp, Ontario, on September 12 to promote the ARISS program.
5. Astronaut Training Status
Christer Fuglesang, KE5CGR/SA0AFS, was given a review of the Amateur Radio on
the International Space Station (ARISS) radio system in preparation for an
expected contact during the STS-128 mission time frame. Information on his
upcoming mission may be found here:
http://www.esa.int/esaCP/SEM56UE3GXF_index_0.html
On Thursday, August 13, an introduction course
was also provided to Dan Burbank,
KC5ZSX. Burbank is scheduled to fly on a future ISS expedition.
6. Electronics Weekly Interviews ARISS Member
AMSAT-UK?s FUNcube satellite has been featured on the front cover of the
August
12-18 issue of Electronics Weekly. The full FUNcube article titled, ?Bringing
FUN back to the classroom,? by Steve Bush may be
found on page 8 and contains an
interview with Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) member
Graham Shirville, G3VZV. See:
http://cde.cerosmedia.com/1D4a803d8814a11352.cde
7. ARRL QST Covers ARISS News
The American Radio Relay League (ARRL) published two small ARISS (Amateur
Radio
on the International Space Station) related news items in its September 2009
issue of QST. One item pointed readers to the article on the Garriotts, "Two
Generations of Hams in Space" that ran in The Bridge, printed by the
Electrical
and Computer Engineering Honor Society. The
second item was a notice to readers
that space shuttle Endeavour carried three astronauts to the ISS who are hams
and would be doing ARISS educational activities.
The ARRL monthly journal has a circulation of 150,000.
[ANS thanks Carol, KB3LKI, for the above information]
/EX
In addition to regular membership, AMSAT offers membership in the President's
Club. Members of the President's Club, as sustaining donors to AMSAT Project
Funds, will be eligible to receive additional benefits. Application forms are
available from the AMSAT Office.
73,
This week's ANS Editor,
Lee McLamb, KU4OS
ku4os at amsat dot org
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 20:45:54 -0700
From: "Greg D." <ko6th_greg@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Orbitron-Wispdde
To: <gary_lockhart33@xxxxx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <BLU133-W1643FAF2ABCA3A3166B5D2A9FA0@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hi Gary,
Thanks for considering my humble controller design for your system.
I'm a little confused on what is working and what is not. Are you getting
serial data out of the computer but not recognized by the STAMP? If so, one
of the quirks I found with the STAMP processors is that they're not terribly
fast, and the serial communication needs to have 2 stop bits in order to have
the character strings be recognized reliably. I am driving mine from my Linux
system with Predict, but I modified it to force the extra stop bit when
opening the serial port. (I also modified it to create the properly formatted
az/el string too.) I've just got it spitting out the position every second,
and the controller looks for the position to change by more than a click (6
degrees az) before taking action.
So, if the serial port settings can be tweaked, is there a place to set the
number of stop bits?
Hope this helps,
Greg KO6TH
> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 18:05:35 -0700
> From: gary_lockhart33@xxxxx.xxx
> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Orbitron-Wispdde
>
> I am trying to put together a computer controlled az-el rotator system with
BS2 processor control like KO6TH using U-100 rotors. With Orbitron for
satellite prediction and Wispdde comunication I do not get data display on the
LCD display. The display works for other program titles. I tried Nova (demo)
thinking the BS2 needed different input but still nothing to display. I used
Free Serial Port Monitor and could see ASCI output that looked like what I
wanted with satellite name, AZ and EL with numbers but the values did not
match the satellite tracking program, they never changed! This was true with
both Orbitron and Nova. I am using Orbitron 3.71, Wispdde 4.2, 4.3.0.7 and
4.3.0.2 modified by AD5JN. I have tried all the Wispdde programs at 1200 and
9600 baud. My radio is a FT726 so there is no CAT control there to confirm
operation of other equipment. I have tried BS2 programs off the web from KO6TH
and SAEBRTrack with out success. My BS2 is rev G and I
> am using a SC-IOREL4 relay board to mount the BS2. Demo display and relay
programs run fine. I do not understand why the data into the BS2 isn't the
same showing on Wisp panel. Any thoughts?
> Gary AB3ID
> Snow Hill, MD
>
>
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 00:47:37 -0400
From: "Daniel Schultz" <n8fgv@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Don't Fly SuitSat2 to ISS (rebuttal)
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <533NHweUl7994S02.1251002857@xxxxxxxx.xxx.xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
The worldwide amateur radio community must interface with one unified voice to
the various space agencies that form the ISS partnership. The ARISS
organization, whatever its flaws may be, was created by the efforts of a lot
of hard working hams in many countries to provide that interface. Without it
ham radio would have no access to the manned space program, and as a child of
the 1960's who grew up with the Mercury, Gemini and Apollo missions, I am
thrilled that we hams have such access. I could easily imagine a world where
this was not allowed. The fact that we are able to launch anything to the ISS,
given the astronomical value of every kilogram of payload mass on the Progress
or the Shuttle, and every minute of astronaut and cosmonaut time on orbit, is
truly amazing.
The recent complaints on the BB remind me of the hams who bash the ARRL
without understanding that without the ARRL, amateur radio would have been
abolished long ago by the powers that be. We hams need to understand that
whatever disagreements exist between us are not nearly as serious as the
external threats to our amateur radio avocation. Whatever your beef is, please
work within the organization to make it better, and not tear it down in public
view. Writing ?open letters? addressed to the world?s space agencies is
not helpful to this effort or to your fellow hams.
Moving on another amsat-bb thread, AO-40 was designed and built to take
advantage of what turned out to be a once in a lifetime opportunity to launch
a very large amateur payload into geosynchronous transfer orbit. Had we chosen
not to build it, I can imagine lots of people complaining on amsat-bb about
how Amsat management had dropped the ball and squandered an amazing launch
opportunity.
The presence of exotic transponders on AO-40 is not what caused its failure.
The 24 GHz payload was contributed by an Amsat member organization and was
built because they believed strongly enough in its value that they committed
their effort and their funds to get it built. There were transponders on AO-40
to serve every interest, from VHF to UHF to S-band to millimeter wave. Hams
MUST push their technical limits and explore new frontiers, it is one of the
reasons amateur radio still exists. Critics cried about the "complexity" of
the S-band downlink and then some clever hams took some cheap off the shelf TV
down converters, made some slight mods to retune the input frequency, and got
a lot of hams active with 2.4 GHz receive capability for very little money.
I agree with the letter in this month's QST (September issue, page 24),
suggesting that those who complain that the amateur radio has gotten "too
technical" might better enjoy reading People Magazine instead.
Dan Schultz N8FGV
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 09:53:41 +0200
From: "PE0SAT" <pe0sat@xxxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Best source for current satellite status
To: RSwart1@xxxxx.xx.xxx
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID:
<3d51ac96fdb5c1c7424d3b80e5f3b0b4.squirrel@xxxxxxx.xxxxx.xx>
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
On Sun, August 23, 2009 04:00, Randy wrote:
Hi Randy,
> Is the AMSAT status page the best source for ALL possible
> Amateur radio satellites that we can access?
No it is not the best, but gives you an idea.
> I got a new 440 yagi and cant find a satellite to test on ..
> My capability here is only 2 meter / 70 cm FM. ( for now anyways. )
You can also listen to: FO-29, AO-27, RS-30(Yubileiny), SO-50 these have
all 70cm downlink and there are more.
> Thanks for help and input..
>
> Randy
>
73's Jan - PE0SAT
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 09:39:34 +0000 (GMT)
From: Stefano Simonetti <iw1rdz@xxxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: lvb tracker circuit -- xtal?
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <64625.32020.qm@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Thanks to all for comments.
This evening I 'll try to re-flash PIC with the correct fuses, and try with
the 3,5...MHz XTAL I have, to obtain?at least LCD on.
The external flashing introduces another variable, right.
Ciao, Stefano.
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 12:48:57 +0200
From: "i8cvs" <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Semi-remoting the controller for a Yaesu G5400
To: "Lowell White" <whiteld@xxx.xxx>, "AMSAT-BB" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <006b01ca23df$5179dae0$0201a8c0@xxx.xx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hi Lowell, K9LDW
I would buy another 50' of control cable and joint it to the actual 100' on
hand control cable lenght to make 150' in total and get the rotor control
box in the shack.
In this case I will see the instrument of control box running and more
important any necessary adjustement of the control box installed in the
shack will be easier then walking from the shack to the garage after any
turn of screwdriver.
Why to complicate the life with not necessary and more costly Semi-remoting
solutions if 50' of additional control cable costs less ?
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell White" <whiteld@xxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 7:21 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Semi-remoting the controller for a Yaesu G5400
> My Yaesu G-5400 rotor pair is about 150' from my shack.
>
> I am wanting to gauge the feasibility of putting the rotor controller
within
> 100' (due to on-hand control cable lengths) of the antennas (in a garage).
>
> I would then run a separate (on-hand) PC-controller cable (fewer
conductors as
> using the DIN interface on the back of the controller) to the rotor
controller
> box from a PC and adapter / interface (if needed) in my shack (approx.
50').
>
> Is it crazy to consider or should I just pony up for more of the (dual)
rotor
> control cable and run the control box itself in my shack?
>
> What would I need to do at the PC end to appropriately 'signal' the
> 'semi-remote' control box.
>
> Ideas?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Lowell
> K9LDW
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 13:04:22 +0200
From: "i8cvs" <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: New ICOM VHF / UHF / SHF Radio
To: "Simon \(HB9DRV\)" <simon@xxxxxx.xx>, "AMSAT-BB"
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <010901ca23e1$78c0de80$0201a8c0@xxx.xx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hi Simon, HB9DRV
What about birdies in the IC-9100 in comparison with TS-2000X ?
What the actual quotation of a IC-9100 in comparison to a
TS-2000X ?
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Simon (HB9DRV)" <simon@xxxxxx.xx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 10:29 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: New ICOM VHF / UHF / SHF Radio
> And here's a big shiny picture - note the Satellite button :)
>
> http://www.ab4oj.com/icom/ic9100/IC-9100_prerelease.pdf
>
> Simon Brown, HB9DRV
> www.ham-radio-deluxe.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Simon (HB9DRV)" <simon@xxxxxx.xx>
>
>
> > It appears that it will - so it's a sort of IC-910H + HF radio in one
box
> > :)
>
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 13:39:47 +0200
From: "Simon \(HB9DRV\)" <simon@xxxxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: New ICOM VHF / UHF / SHF Radio
To: "i8cvs" <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx>, "AMSAT-BB" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <62CAEB77807447D6BDD1DCA093D99C51@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
Hi,
Birdies - we'll have to wait and see. Price - could well be very similar to
the TS-2000. We've heard ~ 300,000 Yen. I guess we'll get more data later in
the year, would be a nice present for 2010.
Simon Brown, HB9DRV
www.ham-radio-deluxe.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "i8cvs" <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx>
>
> What about birdies in the IC-9100 in comparison with TS-2000X ?
>
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 04:48:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tim Lilley <n3tl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Don't Fly SuitSat2 to ISS (rebuttal)
To: Daniel Schultz <n8fgv@xxx.xxx>, amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <873188.60975.qm@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Thanks for this Dan.
73,
Tim - N3TL
________________________________
From: Daniel Schultz <n8fgv@xxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:47:37 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Don't Fly SuitSat2 to ISS (rebuttal)
The worldwide amateur radio community must interface with one unified voice to
the various space agencies that form the ISS partnership. The ARISS
organization, whatever its flaws may be, was created by the efforts of a lot
of hard working hams in many countries to provide that interface. Without it
ham radio would have no access to the manned space program, and as a child of
the 1960's who grew up with the Mercury, Gemini and Apollo missions, I am
thrilled that we hams have such access. I could easily imagine a world where
this was not allowed. The fact that we are able to launch anything to the ISS,
given the astronomical value of every kilogram of payload mass on the Progress
or the Shuttle, and every minute of astronaut and cosmonaut time on orbit, is
truly amazing.
The recent complaints on the BB remind me of the hams who bash the ARRL
without understanding that without the ARRL, amateur radio would have been
abolished long ago by the powers that be. We hams need to understand that
whatever disagreements exist between us are not nearly as serious as the
external threats to our amateur radio avocation. Whatever your beef is, please
work within the organization to make it better, and not tear it down in public
view. Writing ?open letters? addressed to the world?s space agencies is
not helpful to this effort or to your fellow hams.
Moving on another amsat-bb thread, AO-40 was designed and built to take
advantage of what turned out to be a once in a lifetime opportunity to launch
a very large amateur payload into geosynchronous transfer orbit. Had we chosen
not to build it, I can imagine lots of people complaining on amsat-bb about
how Amsat management had dropped the ball and squandered an amazing launch
opportunity.
The presence of exotic transponders on AO-40 is not what caused its failure.
The 24 GHz payload was contributed by an Amsat member organization and was
built because they believed strongly enough in its value that they committed
their effort and their funds to get it built. There were transponders on AO-40
to serve every interest, from VHF to UHF to S-band to millimeter wave. Hams
MUST push their technical limits and explore new frontiers, it is one of the
reasons amateur radio still exists. Critics cried about the "complexity" of
the S-band downlink and then some clever hams took some cheap off the shelf TV
down converters, made some slight mods to retune the input frequency, and got
a lot of hams active with 2.4 GHz receive capability for very little money.
I agree with the letter in this month's QST (September issue, page 24),
suggesting that those who complain that the amateur radio has gotten "too
technical" might better enjoy reading People Magazine instead.
Dan Schultz N8FGV
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 06:49:35 -0700
From: "Michael Baker" <k7dd@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: New ICOM VHF / UHF / SHF Radio
To: "'Simon \(HB9DRV\)'" <simon@xxxxxx.xx>, "'i8cvs'"
<domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx>, "'AMSAT-BB'" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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Hi,
I was talking to the store manager at HRO Phoenix and he says he is
hearing a price tag of about 3k for the rig.
From what I can see it looks like a 746Pro with VHF/UHF.
If that's the case, I think I would opt for a K3 with transverters
as that would be a better combination performance wise for the $$$
investment.
I still can't get over how the manufacturers refuse to include any
form of 222mhz or 903Mhz capability. I would think that even plug in modules
for those bands, a 2.4Ghz module and 4 meters for UK use would make the rig
the ultimate IF it was married up with a kick butt HF rig. The modules could
be purchased to make up the bands you wanted at the time.
Rover for MW contest; put in the 2.4 and 1.2 modules.
Rover for UHF contest; put in the 900 and 1.2 modules.
Rover for VHF/UHF, put them all in for USA less 4 meters.
Etc.
The more I see of the gear that has come upon the market in the last
several years, the more I like my TS-2000 with the INRAD roofing filter
update. ;>)
Michael Baker K7DD
k7dd@xxx.xxx
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Behalf Of Simon (HB9DRV)
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 4:40 AM
To: i8cvs; AMSAT-BB
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: New ICOM VHF / UHF / SHF Radio
Hi,
Birdies - we'll have to wait and see. Price - could well be very similar to
the TS-2000. We've heard ~ 300,000 Yen. I guess we'll get more data later in
the year, would be a nice present for 2010.
Simon Brown, HB9DRV
www.ham-radio-deluxe.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "i8cvs" <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx>
>
> What about birdies in the IC-9100 in comparison with TS-2000X ?
>
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 10:19:59 -0400
From: "Ken Ernandes" <n2wwd@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Don't Fly SuitSat2 to ISS (rebuttal)
To: "'Daniel Schultz'" <n8fgv@xxx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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Great points Dan! I can think of anything I could add.
73, Ken N2WWD
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From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On Behalf
Of Daniel Schultz
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:48 AM
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Don't Fly SuitSat2 to ISS (rebuttal)
The worldwide amateur radio community must interface with one unified voice to
the various space agencies that form the ISS partnership. The ARISS
organization, whatever its flaws may be, was created by the efforts of a lot
of hard working hams in many countries to provide that interface. Without it
ham radio would have no access to the manned space program, and as a child of
the 1960's who grew up with the Mercury, Gemini and Apollo missions, I am
thrilled that we hams have such access. I could easily imagine a world where
this was not allowed. The fact that we are able to launch anything to the ISS,
given the astronomical value of every kilogram of payload mass on the Progress
or the Shuttle, and every minute of astronaut and cosmonaut time on orbit, is
truly amazing.
The recent complaints on the BB remind me of the hams who bash the ARRL
without understanding that without the ARRL, amateur radio would have been
abolished long ago by the powers that be. We hams need to understand that
whatever disagreements exist between us are not nearly as serious as the
external threats to our amateur radio avocation. Whatever your beef is, please
work within the organization to make it better, and not tear it down in public
view. Writing open letters addressed to the worlds space agencies is not
helpful to this effort or to your fellow hams.
Moving on another amsat-bb thread, AO-40 was designed and built to take
advantage of what turned out to be a once in a lifetime opportunity to launch
a very large amateur payload into geosynchronous transfer orbit. Had we chosen
not to build it, I can imagine lots of people complaining on amsat-bb about
how Amsat management had dropped the ball and squandered an amazing launch
opportunity.
The presence of exotic transponders on AO-40 is not what caused its failure.
The 24 GHz payload was contributed by an Amsat member organization and was
built because they believed strongly enough in its value that they committed
their effort and their funds to get it built. There were transponders on AO-40
to serve every interest, from VHF to UHF to S-band to millimeter wave. Hams
MUST push their technical limits and explore new frontiers, it is one of the
reasons amateur radio still exists. Critics cried about the "complexity" of
the S-band downlink and then some clever hams took some cheap off the shelf TV
down converters, made some slight mods to retune the input frequency, and got
a lot of hams active with 2.4 GHz receive capability for very little money.
I agree with the letter in this month's QST (September issue, page 24),
suggesting that those who complain that the amateur radio has gotten "too
technical" might better enjoy reading People Magazine instead.
Dan Schultz N8FGV
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 08:23:38 -0600
From: James Duffey <jamesduffey@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: New ICOM VHF / UHF / SHF Radio
To: "Simon \(HB9DRV\)" <simon@xxxxxx.xx>
Cc: James Duffey <jamesduffey@xxxxxxx.xxx>, AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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On Aug 23, 2009, at 5:39 AM, Simon (HB9DRV) wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Birdies - we'll have to wait and see. Price - could well be very
> similar to
> the TS-2000. We've heard ~ 300,000 Yen. I guess we'll get more data
> later in
> the year, would be a nice present for 2010.
I think that the price should be competitive with the TS-2000X, say
$2000, if it is to be successful, unless there is something really
spectacular in that box that hasn't been revealed yet. - Duffey
--
KK6MC
James Duffey
Cedar Crest NM
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 08:46:03 -0600
From: James Duffey <jamesduffey@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: New ICOM VHF / UHF / SHF Radio
To: k7dd@xxx.xxx
Cc: James Duffey <jamesduffey@xxxxxxx.xxx>, 'AMSAT-BB'
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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On Aug 23, 2009, at 7:49 AM, Michael Baker wrote:
>
> If that's the case, I think I would opt for a K3 with transverters
> as that would be a better combination performance wise for the $$$
> investment.
While the raw performance of a K-3 is pretty impressive, it will cost
a lot more to reproduce the new ICOM-9100, or even the current
TS-2000, with a K-3 and even then, you will not have the ability to do
full duplex, which is required for serious satellite work. A modestly
equipped K-3 with 10W 2M output will set you back $2700 or more, you
need to add a 100W 2M amplifier at about $400, a 432 MHz transverter
at $400, a 432 MHz amplifier at $400, a 75 Watt amp at $400, and a
1296 MHz transverter at $600, so you are close to $5k, still without
the capability to do duplex for satellites.
For sheer performance you are better off with the K-3, but you pay for
it, and serious satellite use is precluded. - Duffey
--
KK6MC
James Duffey
Cedar Crest NM
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